A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator.

[wwzsocki]

"A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator."

This is literally all information received by a user whose post has been deleted, and we can't forget, that in some cases, these are long working hours that have been irrevocably removed.
Of course, in 99% of cases, this is enough, because the spammer was punished, but in 1% of the cases, hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Information: "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator." is not sufficient and there should be at least a link provided to the thread from which it was removed.
TBH, there should be username added of the moderator who removed it, to be able to communicate with him, additionally, an annotation in the thread too, that the post was removed.

This could be really hard to even find the proper thread from which our posts were removed without all this information or to look further for help, especially in cases that really need this second look.


As an example, I can throw here my 2 (exactly 3) posts that were recently removed.

Two weeks ago two of my posts were deleted by a moderator and I found that this is really hard or even impossible for me to find out why they were removed, so I started to look for help, but to my surprise, there is not much I could do .

Both posts were published in the Mining Board, where we can see at the first look, that mining had really hard times lately, majority of threads in this section are locked and not much is going on there at all. Anyways, I was able to find two threads that were interesting for me and I knew a lot about the subject. Both threads were opened a long time ago, but still frequently updated with new comments. Of course, because there is not much going on, sometimes answers in these threads were posted with long monthly breaks.

As always, before I commented there, I have read both threads fully and prepared really high-quality on-topic answers. Both threads were updated with new comments about a week or two ago and are still open and running. Both removed posts were (additionally) already merited by few members (just after publishing) and one of these posts got an answer from the thread OP in which he stated that he is interested in the info I just provided. In short, the discussion was started again.

I have to add that this reply from OP was also removed.


To better understand what I am talking about, here are screens from both posts, with links to threads.


The winter mining setup


Bitcoin Mining on an APPLE II Computer! Highly Impractical Other Devices? Poll!

As I already mentioned, both posts were immediately merited by few members and the thread OP, here screen:



These are my first merits for deleted posts .

First, I asked few members, I know here on the forum personally for help to look at these posts to find the reasons for removal, which I could have missed, but nobody was able to find it either, even other moderators, so I started by sending PM's to mods from the mining board: Gmaxwell and Frodocooper, kindly asking for explanation and help.





Only moderator Gmaxwell was so kind to answer and did it very fast after only one day:



As you can clearly see even moderators can't see the reasons for deletion

I have waited good two weeks for the answer from Frodocooper but never received it .


I started this thread to discuss in a wider group the need to enrich the information that the user receives after his post is removed, but also quietly counted to find out the reason for deleting my posts, because I do not want to spam, a few additional moderators with PMs if I still even don't know who did it?

As I already mentioned the provided information: "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted..." is not sufficient when there is a problem and one has to look for help.

My suggestion will be to add an additional piece of info like:

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),
- add a link to the thread from which post was deleted (to make it easier to find),
- add an annotation in the thread from which post was deleted (to inform about deletion OP and other readers),
- add the reasons for deletion (to avoid unneeded questions and additional work).

I hope to discuss these suggestions with the community, additionally counting for a response from the moderator who removed my posts and that he provides valid reasons for it to let me avoid such mistakes in the future if I made any.

Believe me such simple info as a link to thread can save hours of searching. I was lucky to write in mining, where threads from 2018 are still easy to find, but if someone has post deleted from an old thread in the altcoin section and he doesn't remember the title exactly, he will need a lot of luck to find it using the search function, believe me, that you won't remember the titles of the threads or even who published them, after a few hours, don't mention days or weeks.

PS
To be fully honest, I have to add that when I get to know that 2 of my posts were removed in a row (which happens to be very rare or even never happened before), I have written another 3rd post in The winter mining setup thread, which also was removed.



I haven't mentioned this one because I can understand that it could be removed as an off-topic (which also could be discussed  ).

Of course, no answer or reaction from the moderator who deleted it.

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[Upgrade00]

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),
- add a link to the thread from which post was deleted (to make it easier to find),
- add an annotation in the thread from which post was deleted,
- add the reasons for deletion.

I do not support including the name of the moderator who deleted the post for a number or reasons. In peculiar cases where the relevance of a post is debatable it may need further discussions, but majority of deleted posts are worthy of the action, and including the name if the mods could expose them to lots of backlash and unsolicited PMs, especially those that operate in the spam filled boards.
AFAIK, the name of the mods who handles any action on the forum (ban, post deletion,of nuking) is not made public to avoid personalizing the decisions they make.

I have no issues with the second and third suggestions.

The fourth however would be too bulky to handle.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I agree with Upgrade00's points above. We already have some users who open multiple new threads whenever some of their posts are deleted and target the moderators they think are responsible with abuse. This would only be magnified several times over if every deleted post stated which moderator had acted upon it. Moderators would end up receiving endless PMs, and I can even envisage reports against some users not being acted upon due to the backlash the moderator anticipates facing in return.

A link to thread in question is reasonable, and should be fairly straightforward to implement.

Reasons for some posts being deleted would be nice, but it certainly shouldn't be mandatory for all posts being deleted. As you say, 99% of posts being trashed are simply zero quality nonsense or spam. Forcing moderators to give reasons for all these would massively slow down how quickly they can work, for little benefit. In cases such as yours, however, when the posts clearly aren't just spam, then reasoning would be good. This doesn't necessarily need to be built in to the system - a PM from the mod in question with a brief explanation would also work.

This also isn't the first time I've seen complaints about over-moderation in the Mining Board. It is not a board I frequent, and so I would be keen to hear the feelings of users who do.

[UserU]

Same here, I don't get it why some mods are happily removing some of my replies.

Yesterday, some OP made a thread asking for casino site recommendations with referral codes. In other words, users are allowed to post theirs if any.

So I briefly introduced one.

The next day, boom! Deleted by moderator.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

For player #2, there's one which might suit his taste.

Thunderpick, since 2016. Comes with video poker and slots, along with match betting and other games. By using my referral code, he enjoys a 5% first-time deposit bonus up to 500 Euros.

And there's Live support too

reflink removed

[LoyceMobile]

Yesterday, some OP made a thread asking for casino site recommendations with referral codes. In other words, users are allowed to post theirs if any.

"Some OP" can't just change forum rules in his topic. Referral spam isn't allowed, and asking for it is almost a guarantee to get spam.

[UserU]

"Some OP" can't just change forum rules in his topic. Referral spam isn't allowed, and asking for it is almost a guarantee to get spam.

If that's the case, then fair point.

I thought the rules only apply if you post unsolicited referral links.

[LoyceMobile]

I thought the rules only apply if you post unsolicited referral links.

That's for PMs: if someone asks for it, sending referral links by PM is okay.

[UserU]

That's for PMs: if someone asks for it, sending referral links by PM are okay

Gotcha, I'll keep that in mind.

[Asuspawer09]

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),
- add a link to the thread from which post was deleted (to make it easier to find),
- add an annotation in the thread from which post was deleted,
- add the reasons for deletion.

I do not support including the name of the moderator who deleted the post for a number or reasons. In peculiar cases where the relevance of a post is debatable it may need further discussions, but majority of deleted posts are worthy of the action, and including the name if the mods could expose them to lots of backlash and unsolicited PMs, especially those that operate in the spam filled boards.
AFAIK, the name of the mods who handles any action on the forum (ban, post deletion,of nuking) is not made public to avoid personalizing the decisions they make.

I have no issues with the second and third suggestions.

The fourth however would be too bulky to handle.

This is one of my problems in the past I think is the link, it should be provided, the messages sent is not enough to identify what post is deleted considering you have a lot of posts done daily. For sure it is going to be a big help putting the link of the thread or a screenshot since it is already deleted. Some annotations would also be great. I think the reason for deletion is I think it could be the most important for me. The reason is important if I have deleted thread so that I could avoid it getting my post deleted for the 2nd time since im aware of the reason.
However, putting the name of the moderator is not going to be necessary... I can't see any reason why it should be included.

[wwzsocki]

Of course, I understand that the suggestion about providing mods usernames will be the most discussed one, but I have to mention that I have seen this already implemented on another forum, where I am a moderator and there were no problems because of this for mods.

Even if there were any attempts to get revenge on mods involved in deleting posts from the spammers' gang, it was immediately detected and ended with a ban for a big group of abusers.

I think mods don't have to be afraid because they stand really strong on this forum and until there is nothing wrong with the work they provide there should be no harm at all for them, but if somebody makes too many mistakes (I don't want to say that is doing this for purpose), then maybe he shouldn't be a moderator in the first place and this will be a perfect way to sift the wrong grain?

Further, I understand that there could be more PMs sent with stupid questions from spammers whos posts were deleted for good reason, but this can happen only once because we have the IGNORE function, so overwhelming amounts of additional work could be easily minimized. Additionally, if usernames would be provided, then there could be additional forum rules implemented regarding the communication with moderators to avoid spam and unneeded work.

I will be happy also with such a solution for the reasoning of deletion:

...Reasons for some posts being deleted would be nice, but it certainly shouldn't be mandatory for all posts being deleted...however, when the posts clearly aren't just spam, then reasoning would be good. This doesn't necessarily need to be built in to the system - a PM from the mod in question with a brief explanation would also work...

PS
I still hope to hear an answer/reasoning from the moderator who deleted my posts.

EDIT

...If staff could give a reason to why something was removed I think that would help a lot. Even just a simple drop down menu where you choose the option why it was removed would be great, but an additional comment box as well to clarify things further would be even better.

I agree with you and I will be happy with any implemented solution because it would be better than the actual state of things.

[hilariousetc]

I think the notification PM should include a link to the thread it was removed from and staff should also be able to give a comment about why it was deleted but that should still be anonymous. Having the mods name on it will just lead to constant hassle and pestering and demanding answers as to why something was removed. The amount of PMs I've received from users who just assumed it was me who removed their post because my name is on that sub is ridiculous and they're usually hostile more often than not and that would get worse if it become public who removed what and people would start to take it personally. If staff could give a reason to why something was removed I think that would help a lot. Even just a simple drop down menu where you choose the option why it was removed would be great, but an additional comment box as well to clarify things further would be even better.

[Saint-loup]

I thought the rules only apply if you post unsolicited referral links.

That's for PMs: if someone asks for it, sending referral links by PM are okay

No I think UserU is right.
According to mprep himself it's ok to post referral links in this situation.
That is to say, only the "spam" of referral codes is forbidden.

4. No referral code (ref link) spam. [1]

If you are posting a reply on a thread, and your answer is relevant. Would adding your referral link instead of the plain url be a problem?

For example, you are suggesting service a-dot-com as an answer's to OPs question. Would a ref link (a-dot-com?ref=my-ref) be allowed?

If the post is directly on-topic (like in your example) and is constructive (i.e. not just parotting content that was already posted), it's allowed.

[UserU]

No I think UserU is right.
According to mprep himself it's ok to post referral links in this situation.
That is to say, only the "spam" of referral codes is forbidden.

Hmm, I wished I could find back that thread but it has already been nuked.

[philipma1957]

"A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator."

This is literally all information received by a user whose post has been deleted, and we can't forget, that in some cases, these are long working hours that have been irrevocably deleted.

Of course, in 99% of cases, this is enough, because the spammer was punished, but in 1% of the cases hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Information: "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator." is not sufficient and there should be at least a link provided to the thread from which it was removed, to be honest, there should be username added of the moderator who removed it, to be able to communicate with him, additionally, an annotation in the thread too, that the post was removed.

This could be really hard to even find the proper thread from which our posts were removed without all this information or to look further for help, especially in cases that really need this second look.


As an example, I can throw here my 2 (exactly 3) posts that were recently removed.

Two weeks ago two of my posts were deleted by moderators and I found that this is really hard or even impossible for me to find out why they were removed, so I started to look for help, but to my surprise, there is not much I could do .

Both posts were published in the Mining Board, where we can see at the first look, that mining had really hard times lately because the majority of threads in this section are locked and not much is going on there at all.

Anyways, I was able to find two threads that were interesting for me and I knew a lot about the subject. Both threads were opened a long time ago, but still frequently updated with new comments. Of course, because there is not much going on, sometimes answers in these threads were posted with long monthly breaks. As always, before I commented there, I have read both threads fully and prepared really high-quality on-topic answers. Both threads were updated with new comments from the OPs about a week or two ago and are still running. Both removed posts were (additionally) already merited by few members (just after publishing) and one of these posts got an answer from the thread OP in which he stated that he is interested in the info I just provided. In short, the discussion was started again.

I have to add that this reply from OP was also removed.


To better understand what I am talking about, here are screens from both posts, with links to threads.


The winter mining setup


Bitcoin Mining on an APPLE II Computer! Highly Impractical Other Devices? Poll!

As I said already, both posts were immediately merited by few members and the thread OP, here screen:



These are my first merits for deleted posts .

First, I asked few members, I know here on the forum personally for help to look at these posts to find the reasons for removal, which I could have missed, but nobody was able to find it either, even other moderators, so I started from sending PM's to mods from the mining board: Gmaxwell and Frodocooper, kindly asking for explanation and help.





Only moderator Gmaxwell was so kind to answer and did it very fast after only one day:



As you can clearly see even he can't see the reasons for deletion.

I waited good two weeks for the answer from Frodocooper but never received it .


I started this thread to discuss in a wider group the need to enrich the information that the user receives after his post is removed, but also quietly counted to find out the reason for deleting my posts, because I do not want to spam, a few additional moderators with PMs if I still even don't know who did it?

As I already mentioned the provided information: "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted..." is not sufficient when there is a problem and one has to look for help.

My suggestion will be to add an additional piece of info like:

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),
- add a link to the thread from which post was deleted (to make it easier to find),
- add an annotation in the thread from which post was deleted,
- add the reasons for deletion.

I hope to discuss these suggestions with the community additionally counting for a response from the moderator who removed my posts and that he provides valid reasons for it to let me avoid such mistakes in the future if I made any.

Believe me such simple info as a link to thread can save hours of searching. I was lucky to write in mining, where threads from 2018 are still easy to find, but if someone has post deleted from an old thread in the altcoin section and he doesn't remember the title exactly, he will need a lot of luck to find it using the search function, believe me, that you won't remember the titles of the threads or even who published them, after a few hours, don't mention days or weeks.

PS
To be fully honest, I have to add that when I get to know that 2 of my posts were removed in a row (which happens to be very rare or even never happened before), I have written another 3rd post in The winter mining setup thread, which also was removed.



I haven't mentioned this one because I can understand that it could be removed as an off-topic (which also could be discussed  ).

Of course, no answer or reactions from the moderator who deleted it.

I post I post alot.

I post in mining both btc mining and altcoin mining.


I get one to three posts deleted every week in sha 256 mining ⛏.

Frodocooper can be heavyhanded and over delete.

Once in a while I will pm complain to him.

On the other hand he is hard at work and does a lot on the board.

I was deleted today when I replied to a question. To me I thought it was an okay question but he deleted the question and my answer.

This was to me a bit marginal and could have stayed up and not be deleted.

Do I get annoyed or angry at frodocooper sometimes I do. I do like that he is fast to delete the 90%+ bullshit posts.  So I dont freak out.  If you dont post in sha mining ⛏ you will see him as heavyhanded.

I post enough to see all the good deletes he does.

[LTU_btc]

As I remember, mod of Mining board is very strictly and delete lot of decent posts there. I don't see any reasons why your posts were deleted. But in other boards, good posts aren't usually get deleted without any reason.
But I agree with your points. Especially about giving link to topic where your post was deleted. Sometimes It's difficult to understand reason why post was deleted without seing whole context.
But I don't agree that name of moderator who deleted post should be displayed. It should stay anonymous. Even now we have complaints from some users that mod is biased against them. Displaying name would bring not needed drama here.
And showing reason why post was deleted would be usedul probably, but it would add extra work for mods.

[TECSHARE]

It has been suggested before that the moderators get an optional drop down menu with the most common reasons for removal as well as the ability to make a comment. I think this would be a good addition. After all, if there is not feedback why something is removed, how can people correct their behavior if they aren't even told what the problem is? This is a common criticism on platforms like Facefuck, Googlag, and Twatter. People often want to comply but have no idea what they need to change to comply.

[philipma1957]

It has been suggested before that the moderators get an optional drop down menu with the most common reasons for removal as well as the ability to make a comment. I think this would be a good addition. After all, if there is not feedback why something is removed, how can people correct their behavior if they aren't even told what the problem is? This is a common criticism on platforms like Facefuck, Googlag, and Twatter. People often want to comply but have no idea what they need to change to comply.

This is true  and why sometimes  I do argue with frodocooper about a deletion of a post.

More often then not I do understand the deletions I get.

More often then not  it is when I answer a post that is  borderline either clever spam spam or legit question.

Frodocooper will  delete the question and my answer.

I know why he did it and don't mind.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),

This probably isn't a good idea, since it would undoubtedly cause a flooding of moderators' inboxes with requests for the same information and/or bitching about post deletion(s). 

It really wouldn't be a horrible idea if you at least got a reason why your post was deleted in the PM you get sent.  I'm not sure why that seems to be such a big deal, but apparently it is because this has been suggested before, multiple times, and yet nothing ever comes of it.  And it isn't like people think it's a stupid idea and it gets shot down.  I also don't think it would probably take a lot of work to implement (though I'm far from certain about that).

On the other hand, when I get posts deleted and get a PM from the forum I'm usually aware of the reason--it's either being off-topic or straight up trolling someone.  Thus you won't find me complaining about it.  But an informative post like the one OP showed?  Yeah, those probably shouldn't get deleted without a good reason.

[Vod]

Yesterday, some OP made a thread asking for casino site recommendations with referral codes. In other words, users are allowed to post theirs if any.

An OP cannot override forum rules.  Referral links are garbage spam - you don't stand behind the link - you only post it to get $.

[truth or dare]

The name of the mod deleting should be transparent.  If that is not going to happen you should be shown a percentage of deleted posts that have executed from each mod.

If mods are found to be bias or vindictive then they must be replaced. I have witnessed some seriously concerning behaviors raised and the evidence was incredibly robust.

The same for reporters, you should see a percentage of reports that originate from each member.

Reporters themselves should see a percentage of marked bad etc for each mod.

If you notice one mod deleting all of your posts and marking your reports bad. You would need to have that investigated.

This would be an easy feature to implement.

[Timelord2067]

Cyrus and hilariousandco u=164822 / hilariousetc u=397737 / hilarious* u=1424594 are the main offenders - randomly deleting post weeks and even months/years later - usually in my own threads that I have started (hence the replies are on topic).

Untrustworthy behaviour especially when they then gloat they have done it.

(and most of the time those posts don't show up in a "post deleted" message either)


@theymos sits back and does nothing to curb their behaviour.


OP: My advice is to archive as you go.  Don't rely on any "auto" archiving of your posts, it's always best to archive your own work.

[Little Mouse]

Although this happens very rarely that a good post or reply is deleted by mistake, I think a proper or close reason would be good. One of my post was deleted by moderator and I still do not know what the reason is.
As like said in previous post, dropdown menu with some most common case would be good edition.

[truth or dare]

Cyrus and hilariousandco u=164822 / hilariousetc u=397737 / hilarious* u=1424594 are the main offenders - randomly deleting post weeks and even months/years later - usually in my own threads that I have started (hence the replies are on topic).

Untrustworthy behaviour especially when they then gloat they have done it.

(and most of the time those posts don't show up in a "post deleted" message either)


@theymos sits back and does nothing to curb their behaviour.


OP: My advice is to archive as you go.  Don't rely on any "auto" archiving of your posts, it's always best to archive your own work.

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?
I have noted some examples of moderation that are clearly not impartial verging upon stalking and vindictive.

The problem is the conflict of interests where moderators are paid by members here on this forum. It may not be immediately obvious to the poster that their post conflicts with the interests of a member that a moderator needs to keep happy. Hence, why the stats I mention, would be useful to track and analyse.

Hilarious and Co is extreme. Theymos is aware, but as with other abusers of the system. He will allow members to suffer abuse if he thinks the abuse is isolated to out-spoken or less popular members. This may explain your own treatment.

As ever, push for transparency and objective standards. Those are the only things that will protect you if you deserve to be protected long term.

While there is a gross lack of clear objective standards for red tags, post deletes etc the abuse and manipulation will never be prevented.

There Will also always be a genuine wide ranging difference of opinion among the mods to which posts are eligible for delete. That wide range could be drastically narrowed with clearer guidelines.

[UserU]

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?

This was brought up some time ago IIRC, and I think there's an option not to notify the user.

On previous occasions, I did notice that my post count decreased by 1 or 2 but received no notifications when they happened.

[wwzsocki]

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),

This probably isn't a good idea, since it would undoubtedly cause a flooding of moderators' inboxes with requests for the same information and/or bitching about post deletion(s)...  

...I understand that there could be more PMs sent with stupid questions from spammers whos posts were deleted for good reason, but this can happen only once because we have the IGNORE function, so overwhelming amounts of additional work could be easily minimized. Additionally, if usernames would be provided, then there could be additional forum rules implemented regarding the communication with moderators to avoid spam and unneeded work...

As I remember, mod of Mining board is very strictly and delete lot of decent posts there. I don't see any reasons why your posts were deleted. But in other boards, good posts aren't usually get deleted without any reason...

...I post in mining both btc mining and altcoin mining. I get one to three posts deleted every week ... Frodocooper can be heavyhanded and over delete. Once in a while I will pm complain to him...

This is really strange that in section as mining moderator is "heavyhanded" and "over delete" because it is obvious from the first look that this board suffers from low user attendance, lack of new threads and interesting discussions.



I would be able to understand such behavior and even accept many mistakes in boards like Altcoin Discussion or any other with high amounts of spam, new threads and very high writing frequency, but it is enough to look at the screen above to know that the mining section is just the opposite and literally needs more posts and frequent writers.

Until today, I thought that my local section suffers from low frequency, but compared to mining we are standing really strong, have multiple active threads with many updates and active discussions, despite there are only a few frequent users there.

Now I am speculating, but it is possible that the mining section is in such a bad condition, just because too many good posts are removed for no reason, which obviously scares off every user from writing another post in this section. For me, it is enough to avoid this board and from this time I haven't posted there, despite we could have an interesting discussion with the OP in the The winter mining setup thread.

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?

...I think there's an option not to notify the user. On previous occasions, I did notice that my post count decreased by 1 or 2 but received no notifications when they happened.

This is something new for me, despite Legendary   from now I will try to know my exact post count number because this is true that sometimes I had problems to track the post count in signature campaigns, they just don't match from time to time and I thought it is because of posts I have deleted.

I was sure every time our work is removed we got a notification and it would be great if somebody from the staff confirms this information?

[truth or dare]

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?

This was brought up some time ago IIRC, and I think there's an option not to notify the user.

On previous occasions, I did notice that my post count decreased by 1 or 2 but received no notifications when they happened.

Interesting. I can think of no scenario though where not informing the member their post had been deleted, would be sensible, or fair.

If an entire thread was nuked, that could account for the missing posts. OTOH it could be that option the mods have which you mention. 

As someone has said keeping your own records could be useful. Is there some plugin that can auto archive every post you make?

[El duderino_]

I have had some similar thing, small example a thread I made myself for a game, discussing some game types or how to do something and a MOD deleted some of those post      Also thought why would this ever be deleted, couldn't be more on topic

[o_e_l_e_o]

This was brought up some time ago IIRC, and I think there's an option not to notify the user.

On previous occasions, I did notice that my post count decreased by 1 or 2 but received no notifications when they happened.

I've never heard of that before. I'd be interested if a mod could confirm or deny this.

If an entire thread is deleted or trashed, then you do not receive a notification about your replies in that thread also being deleted. If your post specifically is deleted, then as far as I am aware you will always receive a notification.

As someone has said keeping your own records could be useful. Is there some plugin that can auto archive every post you make?

Loyce's site archives every post (unedited) that is made here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/

[hilariousetc]

The name of the mod deleting should be transparent.  If that is not going to happen you should be shown a percentage of deleted posts that have executed from each mod.

All that would do is lead to more crying and disgruntlement towards mods. We would have dozens of threads created a week like, hilariousandco has removed three of my posts? Is this a personal attack? Blah blah blah. Names don't need to be shown. If you believe a post has been removed incorrectly or they're being removed often without reason and suspect a mod is abusing his power or attacking a person then create a thread about it or contact theymos. If mods were abusing their power and repeatedly removing posts for incorrect reasons it would be instantly apparent. Not only would theymos be able to see something is up but people cry here over one post being removed so imagine what would happen if mods were genuinely targeting people.

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?
I have noted some examples of moderation that are clearly not impartial verging upon stalking and vindictive.

No, they don't. Timelord is just paranoid and biased and makes assumptions time and time again and this is all fuelled by his dislike of me merely because I excluded him from my trust-list due to his wildly inaccurate trust ratings. He also doesn't really know how this forum works because he assumes it was me or cyrus that removed a post because our names are on the sub boards. The only time a person won't get a notification is if the entire thread is removed.

The problem is the conflict of interests where moderators are paid by members here on this forum. It may not be immediately obvious to the poster that their post conflicts with the interests of a member that a moderator needs to keep happy. Hence, why the stats I mention, would be useful to track and analyse.

People aren't going to get special favours just because I'm on their campaign. If that was so and it was exposed and I'd almost certainly be removed as a moderator and that's not something I'm going to jeopardise so me having a signature is irrelevant to my moderation. You'd have a much more logical argument about us removing posts/handling reports since that's what we actually get paid to do but again, if we were abusing our power people would notice.

usually in my own threads that I have started (hence the replies are on topic).

So if you create a thread about cars and start talking about Dr Who that's on topic?

This was brought up some time ago IIRC, and I think there's an option not to notify the user.

On previous occasions, I did notice that my post count decreased by 1 or 2 but received no notifications when they happened.

This is incorrect. Staff do not have an option to do that. The only way you'd be missing posts without a notification is if an entire thread was trashed that you had posted in and they're usually only removed when they're a generic spam thread or something like that.

[TECSHARE]

Regarding abuse of the reporting system, perhaps some kind of compromise can be reached. Some users use reports as a method of interfering with, silencing, and getting retribution upon other users. Of course this makes moderator complicity indistinguishable from them simply doing their job, and it is unreasonable to expect them to keep up with every petty dispute.

My suggestion for a potential mitigation of this problem, is to create a system that notifies the moderator if a single user is reporting a very large amount of posts for a single user. The idea being, that if a user is targeting another user by spamming reports, those reports would start being highlighted from a yellow, to orange, to red scale, making identification of users reporting large amounts of posts from a single user easily identifiable. This at the very least will allow moderators to quickly identify potential abuse of the reporting system and take that into account as part of their judgement call in taking action against a reported post.

I think this would, assuming that in fact there is no moderator complicity in these actions, help them to recognize this kind of abuse, and prevent it, as well as help assuage any accusations of complicity while still maintaining opacity regarding individual moderator actions to the general forum public. Of course I have no idea how difficult this would be to implement, so I have no way of knowing if this would be worth the time to create such a system, but if it is not exceptionally difficult I think it might be a valuable addition for all involved.

[hilariousetc]

Regarding abuse of the reporting system, perhaps some kind of compromise can be reached. Some users use reports as a method of interfering with, silencing, and getting retribution upon other users. Of course this makes moderator complicity indistinguishable from them simply doing their job, and it is unreasonable to expect them to keep up with every petty dispute.

My suggestion for a potential mitigation of this problem, is to create a system that notifies the moderator if a single user is reporting a very large amount of posts for a single user. The idea being, that if a user is targeting another user by spamming reports, those reports would start being highlighted from a yellow, to orange, to red scale, making identification of users reporting large amounts of posts from a single user easily identifiable. This at the very least will allow moderators to quickly identify potential abuse of the reporting system and take that into account as part of their judgement call in taking action against a reported post.

I think this would, assuming that in fact there is no moderator complicity in these actions, help them to recognize this kind of abuse, and prevent it, as well as help assuage any accusations of complicity while still maintaining opacity regarding individual moderator actions to the general forum public. Of course I have no idea how difficult this would be to implement, so I have no way of knowing if this would be worth the time to create such a system, but if it is not exceptionally difficult I think it might be a valuable addition for all involved.

Sounds complex and maybe it would help, but it usually quickly becomes apparent which users have issues with each other as you'll see the same names popping up in the queue. For instance, I tend to avoid reports from certain users or against certain people and especially when they have your name in them or when they're from users who are known to have issues with you. Oftentimes the reports might be accurate or technically against the rules - off topic etc - but it's usually not you who started the subject going off topic and I'm not going to go through all the posts just to try find where things went sour. Of course, another mod may see the report and then act on it and just remove your posts and I can see why that would leave you feeling like there's biases going on. Personally, I don't find slight deviations in topics that much of a big deal as that's naturally going to happen but when entire threads are derailed and overtaken by personal beefs that's when things become a problem.

[TECSHARE]

Sounds complex and maybe it would help, but it usually quickly becomes apparent which users have issues with each other as you'll see the same names popping up in the queue. For instance, I tend to avoid reports from certain users or against certain people and especially when they have your name in them or when they're from users who are known to have issues with you. Oftentimes the reports might be accurate or technically against the rules - off topic etc - but it's usually not you who started the subject going off topic and I'm not going to go through all the posts just to try find where things went sour. Of course, another mod may see the report and then act on it and just remove your posts and I can see why that would leave you feeling like there's biases going on. Personally, I don't find slight deviations in topics that much of a big deal as that's naturally going to happen but when entire threads are derailed and overtaken by personal beefs that's when things become a problem.

I am aware that this may be the source of some or all of the confusion. As moderation duties often overlap, some moderators may be less aware of these dynamics than you are, which is why I made this suggestion to make it a simple task to quickly identify this activity for all of the moderators regardless of how familiar they are with the most recent spats or the tendency of people spamming reports about a particular user.

I mostly take issue with the fact that, as you stated, some moderators will simply remove the posts not taking all the things into account you have mentioned. This defacto creates a passive state of selective enforcement, intended or not, just by virtue of the fact that the reports themselves are targeted. The people spamming reports know the mods have a lot of reports to get through, and statistically if they spam enough reports, a portion of them will get removed. This is why I suggested this, or perhaps maybe a similar system, that has some kind of built in feedback to make it clear to moderators when this kind of activity is occurring.

[UserU]

This is incorrect. Staff do not have an option to do that. The only way you'd be missing posts without a notification is if an entire thread was trashed that you had posted in and they're usually only removed when they're a generic spam thread or something like that.

Understood, thanks for clarifying.

[Timelord2067]

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?

Yes.

ON another SMF forum there is a post:



As a global moderator I click delete and get this dialogue box:



I click ok, and the message is gone.

No advice to the user.


Which is why I know the moderators are making bold face lies about what they can and can't do here.  It only takes minutes to set up an SMF forum on a website (and it's free!) - give it a go and see what you can and can't do Vs what you are told can and can't be done on an SMF based forum.

[TryNinja]

Which is why I know the moderators are making bold face lies about what they can and can't do here.

Did you stop to think that this message was added by theymos and that he made it so that every time you delete a post, a notification is obligatorily sent to the user? And if this is hardcoded (function deletePost() { delete(); sendDeleteNotificationPM() }) there is no way a mod can "bypass" it? And maybe the fact that you can delete a post in your SMF forum without a warning is because this is not a pre-existent feature?

No match to this kind of message on SMF: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/search?q=A+reply+of+yours&unscoped_q=A+reply+of+yours

It only takes minutes to set up an SMF forum on a website (and it's free!) - give it a go and see what you can and can't do Vs what you are told can and can't be done on an SMF based forum.

BitcoinTalk SMF code is heavily modified. It's not like theymos can't add his own features or edit pre-existent ones.

[hilariousetc]

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?

Yes.

ON another SMF forum there is a post:



As a global moderator I click delete and get this dialogue box:



I click ok, and the message is gone.

No advice to the user.


Which is why I know the moderators are making bold face lies about what they can and can't do here.  It only takes minutes to set up an SMF forum on a website (and it's free!) - give it a go and see what you can and can't do Vs what you are told can and can't be done on an SMF based forum.

So where exactly is the deprive this user of notification box or button? The only person that is lying here is you. You're spreading misinformation about something you know nothing about. Again, you really don't know how this forum works. Stop being paranoid and stop spreading false information. Do you really think I'm going to publicly post a 'bold faced lie' when theymos or any other mod could contradict me or prove otherwise? To reiterate a fact: staff here cannot choose to deprive a user of a notification of a deleted post. Whether you can on any other version of the software or on any other fourms is irrelevant.

[Halab]

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?

Yes.

No.

ON another SMF forum there is a post:

As a global moderator I click delete and get this dialogue box:

I click ok, and the message is gone.

It's absolutely the same here.
[edit] and a message is automatically sent to the user of the deleted post.[/edit]

No advice to the user.

Mods do not have the option to disable notifications that a post has been deleted.
Hilarious has already given the case where you will not receive a notification for a deleted post.

[Timelord2067]

If you say so. 

[wwzsocki]

...If you believe a post has been removed incorrectly or they're being removed often without reason and suspect a mod is abusing his power or attacking a person then create a thread about it or contact theymos. If mods were abusing their power and repeatedly removing posts for incorrect reasons it would be instantly apparent...

So, there is no other way and I would have to open a new special thread to know why my posts were deleted?

I don't know if mod in the mining section is abusing his power or even if it was a moderator from this board who deleted my posts and that is the biggest problem.

It is clear that somebody removes posts from this section and many times is very hard or even impossible to find a reason for this, additionally, it happens frequently as other members stated in this thread. The mining board looks pretty bad in terms of discussion frequency, new posts, and threads, so such behavior is at least strange in my opinion.

[hilariousetc]

...If you believe a post has been removed incorrectly or they're being removed often without reason and suspect a mod is abusing his power or attacking a person then create a thread about it or contact theymos. If mods were abusing their power and repeatedly removing posts for incorrect reasons it would be instantly apparent...

So, there is no other way and I would have to open a new special thread to know why my posts were deleted?

I don't know if mod in the mining section is abusing his power or even if it was a moderator from this board who deleted my posts and that is the biggest problem.

It is clear that somebody removes posts from this section and many times is very hard or even impossible to find a reason for this, additionally, it happens frequently as other members stated in this thread. The mining board looks pretty bad in terms of discussion frequency, new posts, and threads, so such behavior is at least strange in my opinion.

Not unless you ask a mod. If you're confused just said a friendly PM to the sub board mods to see if they can shed some light on it. If you're repeatedly having posts removed that you don't believe should have been then either contact an admin/Global or create thread in Meta with an argument as to why you believe they were removed in error. You can PM as well and I can search the report queue to see if there's any handled reports but if another mod has just removed the post of his own volition then I wouldn't be able to tell. As I've said before, I think the best solution would be for theymos to implement a system where we can choose a reason from a drop down menu and/or give comment in an additional field and that would solve a lot of problems. Sometimes users might make a relevant and on topic post but if it's for instance in a thread that has been necrobumped then all new posts are liable to be removed and this has annoyed a lot of people in the past because they just see their relevant and constructive post get deleted.

[wwzsocki]

Not unless you ask a mod. If you're confused just said a friendly PM to the sub board mods to see if they can shed some light on it. If you're repeatedly having posts removed that you don't believe should have been then either contact an admin/Global or create thread in Meta with an argument as to why you believe they were removed in error...

TBH I opened this thread

...to discuss in a wider group the need to enrich the information that the user receives after his post is removed, but also quietly counted to find out the reason for deleting my posts, because I do not want to spam, a few additional moderators with PMs if I still even don't know who did it?

It would be great if you read the OP because there are all the needed details.

I have already sent two weeks ago few PMs to mods from the mining section and only received a reply from Gmaxwell, but he hasn't removed my posts and also can't see the clear reason for deletion.

Despite that he is a mod from this section, he couldn't help much either (at least answered my PM after just one day, thanks Gmaxwell).

...I started by sending PM's to mods from the mining board: Gmaxwell and Frodocooper, kindly asking for explanation and help.





Only moderator Gmaxwell was so kind to answer and did it very fast after only one day:

Removed posts are also there in the OP, together with links to threads and all other info, so if you would be so kind to check them and answer here in the thread what you found it would be also great.

[frodocooper]

I deleted wwzsocki's posts because I have reason to believe that he made those posts merely for the sake of qualifying for ChipMixer's signature campaign. Note the timestamp of wwzsocki's application:

Username: wwzsocki
Post Count: 5031
BTC Address (must be SegWit): 3K4SRdXd6225BQufBPC3qLH2vz4tsadC3Q

As far as I'm aware, wwzsocki had never posted on any of the Mining boards throughout my time as moderator. He started posting there only after being apparently advised by DarkStar_ to do so:

... Last time we have a talk after recruitment and you advised me to write across more boards (which I did), but seems to be still not enough.

Would you be so kind and answer, please? I want to know what shall I do or change to have a better chance next time?

He has also referred to posting on this forum as "work":

... these are long working hours that have been irrevocably removed.

... but in 1% of the cases hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Wwzsocki doesn't appear to be working for the Bitcoin Forum as a moderator or an administrator. Therefore, I believe that it is reasonable to infer from at least these words that he sees this forum as primarily, if not exclusively, a mere opportunity for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns. His post history, especially with regards to his various endorsements of something called GOLD, his participation in its bounty campaign, and his recent application for at least one other signature campaign, bears witness to wwzsocki's motives for posting. DarkStar_ himself noticed this, as did asche and suchmoon:

Yeah, I mean posting style. I agree with asche here...

It kinda looks like you are trying to change your postings habits to match the campaign... That usually doesn't go too well... I would be better to find a campaign that suits your natural posting (without any paid incentive) and not the other way around...

You're trying too hard and you're using 500 words where 5 would suffice: "Thanks, will try next time".

Also, posts are just that: posts. What significance do they have in your life that you feel compelled to make such an earnest effort to vindicate the worth of your posts and your self-perceived literary and intellectual prowess? Is not life more important than posts on a forum that 99.99% of the world isn't even aware of? Unless, of course, this forum serves primarily or exclusively as a mere means to financial gain for you, because any action on the part of the forum's staff that is detrimental to that goal is then taken as a threat to your material self-interests.

Therefore, to be clear, I have zero tolerance for anyone whom I have reason to believe is posting exclusively or primarily for mere financial gain through signature or bounty campaigns. This forum is intended to facilitate reasonable discussions made in good faith according to its rules. (I'm of the opinion that signature campaigns are generally detrimental to this forum's usefulness.) Additionally, the Mining boards are for facilitating serious discussions of bitcoin mining-related topics according to the rules of that section and the standards of the Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower boards. Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining and a genuine eagerness to contribute quality discourse without regard for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns, then he is not welcome in the Mining section.

[TECSHARE]

~

I have to ask, if the posts aren't garbage and contain anything even moderately useful or entertaining, then what does the motivation matter?

[philipma1957]

  to illustrate an issue of deletion of a post that harms mining board would be if op had posted.  in alt coin mining

Good deal on a ryzen 9 3900x best buy has it for

$469


retailmenot has a 10% cashback promo


so if you already belong to retailmenot go to their site  punch in best buy find the 10% cash back offer and go for it.


https://www.retailmenot.com/


if you do not belong to them and want to join them  use the non referral link above

below is the  link to the 10% offer up to 50 usd back  since the item is 469  you will get 46.90 off

https://www.retailmenot.com/cashback/2/25S36HPRBZAYZIAL6BF6P6LEJQ

these are not available with the 10% offer.
https://www.retailmenot.com/cashback/restrictions/12008415



So for me   469 - 47 =  422   tax was 33  so 455  lastly I used a best buy card  so  25 more off  my net for a new sealed cpu was  455-25 = 430

good price . ...

this info is of real value to any miner looking to mine with a risen 9 3900x

the info is good there is no effort to get referral money if you buy.

it is just a way to get a discounted ryzen 9 3900x cpu.

no one that wants that cpu cares if the poster made 20 USD in btc from a signature campaign.

It is work only done for op to make money from the signature campaign but and a big but the post has real money saving value to a miner.

This is why being a mod is really hard.  In the case of the post above the mod needs to know usa prices and that the info will save a miner 50 to 100 usd.  he must also know it is not a sneak referral link .  it is not.

if it is a clean post designed to help miners like the one above is it should stand who cares if the poster earned some coin from signature campaign.

It makes a mod's job hard to do correctly.

 I am not a fan of signature campaign's.
 I ended my signature years ago.

I still know  Signature's are legal if a poster gives good info.

So deleting it does not help others.

Now as too the op giving a good post or 2 I had trouble reading the print but it did look okay.

I think frodocooper could have left it up.


 

[truth or dare]

I deleted wwzsocki's posts because I have reason to believe that he made those posts merely for the sake of qualifying for ChipMixer's signature campaign. Note the timestamp of wwzsocki's application:

Username: wwzsocki
Post Count: 5031
BTC Address (must be SegWit): 3K4SRdXd6225BQufBPC3qLH2vz4tsadC3Q

As far as I'm aware, wwzsocki had never posted on any of the Mining boards throughout my time as moderator. He started posting there only after being apparently advised by DarkStar_ to do so:

... Last time we have a talk after recruitment and you advised me to write across more boards (which I did), but seems to be still not enough.

Would you be so kind and answer, please? I want to know what shall I do or change to have a better chance next time?

He has also referred to posting on this forum as "work":

... these are long working hours that have been irrevocably removed.

... but in 1% of the cases hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Wwzsocki doesn't appear to be working for the Bitcoin Forum as a moderator or an administrator. Therefore, I believe that it is reasonable to infer from at least these words that he sees this forum as primarily, if not exclusively, a mere opportunity for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns. His post history, especially with regards to his various endorsements of something called GOLD, his participation in its bounty campaign, and his recent application for at least one other signature campaign, bears witness to wwzsocki's motives for posting. DarkStar_ himself noticed this, as did asche and suchmoon:

Yeah, I mean posting style. I agree with asche here...

It kinda looks like you are trying to change your postings habits to match the campaign... That usually doesn't go too well... I would be better to find a campaign that suits your natural posting (without any paid incentive) and not the other way around...

You're trying too hard and you're using 500 words where 5 would suffice: "Thanks, will try next time".

Also, posts are just that: posts. What significance do they have in your life that you feel compelled to make such an earnest effort to vindicate the worth of your posts and your self-perceived literary and intellectual prowess? Is not life more important than posts on a forum that 99.99% of the world isn't even aware of? Unless, of course, this forum serves primarily or exclusively as a mere means to financial gain for you, because any action on the part of the forum's staff that is detrimental to that goal is then taken as a threat to your material self-interests.

Therefore, to be clear, I have zero tolerance for anyone whom I have reason to believe is posting exclusively or primarily for mere financial gain through signature or bounty campaigns. This forum is intended to facilitate reasonable discussions made in good faith according to its rules. (I'm of the opinion that signature campaigns are generally detrimental to this forum's usefulness.) Additionally, the Mining boards are for facilitating serious discussions of bitcoin mining-related topics according to the rules of that section and the standards of the Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower boards. Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining and a genuine eagerness to contribute quality discourse without regard for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns, then he is not welcome in the Mining section.

I think your frustration at those posting exclusively to make money from sigs is warranted.

His posts appeared reasonable quality though.

I would scan the post histories of all chipmixer / any other highly paid sig campaigns run by hhampuz yahoo and start deleting any posts that do not provide objective value.

Most of chipmixer spammers never produce original thought provoking credible / useful / valuable content. One of them will generally voice some opinion on another members ' behavior' and the rest jump upon an opportunity to parrot the same thing 40x in slightly different words.

He seems to be a more worthy chipmixer champ than quite a few others being paid to fill the forum with worthless noise.

Darkstar does not have transparent criteria for selection other than the gameable subjective metrics those in / are eligible for chipmixer happen to control

Go take a look through chipmixer spammers post histories to confirm. Delete anything that looks it is only there for the 6 bucks spam reward.

You will find a ton of far less valuable garbage. Mostly just opinions on petty squabbles.

We need more mods that ensure members are only paid for presenting valuable content.

I think objecting to people viewing this forum as a posting cash cow is likely about 8 years too late.

I don't think it is essentially damaging to the forum for people to view it as a job if they bring real value. It is far worse to let people game the system so they get paid for filling the board with valueless nonsense.  

Rather than preventing him, lobby darkstar to remove members who's post histories you analyse and discover are filled with valueless junk.

I agree it would be nice for people to post naturally and without consideration of the money they can squeeze out of this board. That is not the world in which we live.

Nice to see some not wearing signatures full time.

Really darkstar should rotate positions anyway.

[wwzsocki]

I deleted wwzsocki's posts because I have reason to believe that he made those posts merely for the sake of qualifying for ChipMixer's signature campaign...

I thought so, that my posts were deleted because of my latest posts in the Chipmixer campaign and that somebody is doing this for a purpose and don't take the normal measures like posts quality, usability, etc.

For me itis obvious abuse of power by a moderator.

How could I write these posts to qualify in Chipmixer, if I already was not accepted and only talked with DS about the reasons for my removal?

Additionally, I stated in my posts that even if I would be enrolled, I would not take this place because it will be unfair!!!

...I want to add that I know, that I would be not enrolled at this time and even if, I would refuse to take the spot because it would be not fair in my opinion...

To be honest I know that I will be never enrolled in the Chipmixer campaign and that is why I am not afraid to ask openly if I have questions or doubts. If there will be a place for me then I would be already enrolled at one of my many failed attempts during all these years. So to now implying me that I have written two posts on the mining board because of Chipmixer campaign is just something I can't believe.

As far as I'm aware, wwzsocki had never posted on any of the Mining boards throughout my time as moderator.

Because you are a moderator from very short time and when I have posted in mining you haven't even by a member of this forum.

Few of my posts from 2014:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441448.msg4893296#msg4893296
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441448.msg4892803#msg4892803
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441448.msg4888917#msg4888917

He started posting there only after being apparently advised by DarkStar_ to do so:

... Last time we have a talk after recruitment and you advised me to write across more boards (which I did), but seems to be still not enough...

Again not true.

This quoted response of mine refers to my talk with DarkStar after last recruitment to Chipmixer (not actual) which was some time ago and I already was posting for a long time in the Gambling and few other sections because DS advised me to post on more boards when we have talked in PMs and on my local section about reasons for my rejection very long time ago and that was exactly what I was referring to.

This has nothing to do with my actual 2 posts in the mining section and already happened a very long time ago.

He has also referred to posting on this forum as "work":

... these are long working hours that have been irrevocably removed.

... but in 1% of the cases, hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Of course, you took my words out of the context. All I wanted to say was that hours of our writing (which is literally work) are deleted without any possibility to retrieve it. That's all!!!

Even for a single second, I haven't thought about work per se, so all the next conclusions which you bring up after this statement are fully made up and sucked again from a finger, but let's go further with this.

Wwzsocki doesn't appear to be working for the Bitcoin Forum as a moderator or an administrator. Therefore, I believe that it is reasonable to infer from at least these words that he sees this forum as primarily, if not exclusively, a mere opportunity for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns. His post history, especially with regards to his various endorsements of something called GOLD, his participation in its bounty campaign, and his recent application for at least one other signature campaign, bears witness to wwzsocki's motives for posting.

I just can't believe what I am reading here. It is forbidden to apply for signature campaigns or bounty on this forum?

What is wrong with the GOLD project? If there is anything wrong you should start a scam accusation thread or put a flag on them.

The majority of high-rank members are enrolled in many bounties and signature campaigns, so this above statement suites almost all members of this forum.

Now, I only want to say, that I never told that this forum is as work for me, but other high-rank members did it in the past, what is funny in this same Chipmixer thread just a couple of pages back and I haven't seen any problem because of this.

I thought very long if I should add this quote here, but to prove my words I will have to.

I wonder what will happen when Chipmixer gets (inevitably so) hit by authorities...It will be a sig campaign apocalypse. The rest of the campaign's rates are a joke and last a couple of weeks at best.

Personally I would have no option but to kill myself as I cannot live without my chipmixer dregs as I am a broke bum, but I don't think it's inevitable that Chipmixer will be shut down...

Of course, I don't have any problems with Hilariousandco's statement, but as we can see many even established members (global mods) see this opportunity as work and until this is not wwzsocki everything is ok, despite I never said something like this in the first place.

DarkStar_ himself noticed this, as did asche and suchmoon:

Yeah, I mean posting style. I agree with asche here...

It kinda looks like you are trying to change your postings habits to match the campaign... That usually doesn't go too well... I would be better to find a campaign that suits your natural posting (without any paid incentive) and not the other way around...

You're trying too hard and you're using 500 words where 5 would suffice: "Thanks, will try next time".

Again totally out of context and that is why I would not elaborate on this.

Also, posts are just that: posts. What significance do they have in your life that you feel compelled to make such an earnest effort to vindicate the worth of your posts and your self-perceived literary and intellectual prowess? Is not life more important than posts on a forum that 99.99% of the world isn't even aware of? Unless, of course, this forum serves primarily or exclusively as a mere means to financial gain for you, because any action on the part of the forum's staff that is detrimental to that goal is then taken as a threat to your material self-interests.

Again pure insinuations without any proof or at least some reasoning. I am here on this forum for so long and was enrolled in so many campaigns, but never thought about them or this forum as of work. These are your private conclusions after reading one or two of my posts in the Chipmixer campaign, which tells nothing about my 7 years here. And to be honest you are the only one who is working here in the first place.

Therefore, to be clear, I have zero tolerance for anyone whom I have reason to believe is posting exclusively or primarily for mere financial gain through signature or bounty campaigns. This forum is intended to facilitate reasonable discussions made in good faith according to its rules. (I'm of the opinion that signature campaigns are generally detrimental to this forum's usefulness.) Additionally, the Mining boards are for facilitating serious discussions of bitcoin mining-related topics according to the rules of that section and the standards of the Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower boards. Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining and a genuine eagerness to contribute quality discourse without regard for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns, then he is not welcome in the Mining section.

Again the same BS about money, work, bounties and in the end even threats that "...Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining...", so I understand that from now moderator Frodocooper will decide if can write in mining section and only if he believes that I stopped to work on the forum and have genuine interest in mining (whatever that means?).

I can't understand something here, please explain to me what I am missing? It is clear that we have an abuse of mod power here, or not?
It should be the post quality what matters, despite all this BS about work and incentive, that it is on topic, merited, high quality, add to the subject, not against forum rules, etc. and both of my posts fulfill all these requirements.

As always to be fully honest with the community I will prove that I haven't posted in the mining section, not because of signature campaign, incentive, work or anything else that Frodocooper stated in his reasoning.

I just wanted to prove that I am right and somebody is wrong and thought it will be great to visit the mining board because I wasn't there for a while, that's it.

When I was looking for help with deleted posts I talked with Bitcointalk members I know on Telegram and one of them asked me 28 January:



Translation:

What have you done in mining section?

Recently, Mikeywith suggested in Chipmixer that it is impossible to change boards, that he is always in mining section and that he would sense it, I thought it is worth visiting because I haven't been there for a long time and it turned out that times are hard for miners, which can be seen in the section that is empty, our local is full compared to the mining section. 90% threads closed.

As you can see Mikeywith suggested that it will be impossible for someone to start posting in the mining without noticing and I wanted to prove him wrong because I was sure that quality is all that matters and mining is still a subject in which I have a lot of knowledge from the early days when I have mined BTC and LTC solo with laptops and later with masternodecoins and staking PoS coins. I still keep following all mining news on a daily basis.

...skewing in most cases is terrible...It is either you are good at something or you are not, you cannot force yourself to post in boards you are not comfortable with just to be accepted, it will be so obvious and you will unlikely to be accepted...

...Of course not and I have never thought to do so. That is why you haven't seen me on the mining board in the last couple of years because I'm not mining POW coins anymore, but I could easily come back because still, I have a lot of knowledge from the early days when I mined BTC and LTC with my laptops. I keep following news about mining until today, new miners, problems, etc. I try to keep my finger on the crypto pulse no matter what, additionally, there are other possibilities. I know 5 languages and I think that I have gathered enough knowledge, so I can post in many local groups if there is such need, already trading for almost 15 years (forex, binaries in the past, crypto from the beginning) and have also a lot of experience, but don't post in the trading board because I already post a lot. There are many other boards on which I could easily start to write taking into consideration experience, knowledge and hobbies...

...I agree with asche...

...Anyways, I will be very happy to prove that both of you are wrong...

So no incentive, no work, no nothing, only wanted to prove that I am right, that anybody can start to post in a new section or come back to old one if he has enough knowledge, experience and post are good enough. Even for a second, I wasn't thinking about work, Chipmixer campaign, incentive or any other thrown on me accusation by Frodocooper , who deleted my posts and abused his moderator power in my opinion.

[suchmoon]

I wonder what will happen when Chipmixer gets (inevitably so) hit by authorities...It will be a sig campaign apocalypse. The rest of the campaign's rates are a joke and last a couple of weeks at best.

Personally I would have no option but to kill myself as I cannot live without my chipmixer dregs as I am a broke bum, but I don't think it's inevitable that Chipmixer will be shut down...

Of course, I don't have any problems with Hilariousandco's statement, but as we can see many even established members (global mods) see this opportunity as work and until this is not wwzsocki everything is ok, despite I never said something like this in the first place.

Dude... it's a joke. Again, you're trying way way way too hard. If you want to establish yourself in a new board - assuming you have a genuine interest to contribute there - start simple. Answer questions that you know answers to. Ask questions that you actually want to get answers for. Participate in discussions. Don't smother other users with walls of text.

[Timelord2067]

For me itis obvious abuse of power by a moderator.

Very well said - thank you for having started this thread to highlight this issue that, as it turns out, is not just limited to your and my posts.

[wwzsocki]

...Again, you're trying way way way too hard. If you want to establish yourself in a new board - assuming you have a genuine interest to contribute there - start simple. Answer questions that you know answers to. Ask questions that you actually want to get answers for. Participate in discussions...

Have you seen these deleted posts? Please look at the OP.

...Don't smother other users with walls of text...

If I don't answer every single question when somebody is accusing me, then I hear that I should do it. When I answer all accusations one by one to not miss anything, then it is too much.

This is not the first time I am doing this and is always not good. There is no easy way to answer so many accusations and I think you should focus on that.

Dude... it's a joke...

I know it is but this does not change the narrative, doesn't it?

[suchmoon]

Have you seen these deleted posts? Please look at the OP.

I did. It's hard for me to judge the context but I think I wouldn't have reported those posts. However frodocooper is known to have a heavy hand thus my advice to start simple, to gauge what the "vibe" of the board is and what is tolerated and what is not. Maybe just read the board for a couple of months before attempting to post there.

Don't smother other users with walls of text.

If I don't repeat to every single question if somebody is accusing me then I hear that I should do it. When I answer all accusations one by one to not miss anything is too much.

This is not the first time I am doing this and is always not good. There is no easy way to answer to so many accusations and I think you should focus on that.

I don't think your long-winded reply is going to improve anything. There is essentially one accusation - frodo appears to think that you're a signature spammer, and posting a massive reply to that seems counterproductive.

If you still think he's wrong about those posts you should probably contact theymos - he has reversed some moderator decisions in the past.

[Timelord2067]

...

Give it up Suchmoon - no one here is buying what you're peddling.

[wwzsocki]

I did. ..Maybe just read the board for a couple of months before attempting to post there...

Don't understand you really.

Have you seen the mining board lately? I was able to read all active threads in this section in 1 hour before I have posted there.

I really don't know what I have to read there a couple of months, are you serious? And why I have to do this? Am I a newbie here or something? Is this new requirement before posting in a new board?

So, that doesn't matter that moderator deletes posts because he assumed after reading two of my posts that I am signature spammer? Where are these spammy posts of mine, show me one?

I wonder why you don't discuss this issue further?

[suchmoon]

Don't understand you really.

Have you seen the mining board lately? I was able to read all the threads in the section in 1 hour before I have posted there.

I really don't know what I have to read there a couple of months, are you serious? And why I have to do this? AmIanewbie here or something? Ias this new requirement before posting in a new board?

So, that doesn't matter that moderator deletes posts because he assumed after reading two of my posts that I am signature spammer?

I wonder why you don't discuss this issue further?

Discuss what exactly? I expressed my opinion. Feel free to ignore it. I wouldn't flip out after two deleted posts. If I was really interested in the subject I'd stick around to see what I can contribute, otherwise I'd move on. Your preferred path seems to be escalation - complain to the boss then.

[wwzsocki]

...I wouldn't flip out after two deleted posts...

And I haven't either, but I knew it has nothing to do with the quality of my posts or forum rules, only somebody is targeting me after my posts in Chipmixer and I was fully right.

So tell me, if somebody will remove your posts on purpose, then you will do nothing, especially, when additionally he will accuse you to be a signature spammer with no proof at all?

...Your preferred path seems to be escalation...

My preferred pad is escalation? Because I answered to all sucked from finger accusations?

Discuss what exactly?...

Moderator abusing his power of course.

[suchmoon]

So tell me, if somebody will remove your posts on purpose, then you will do nothing, especially, when additionally he will accuse you to be a signature spammer with no proof at all?

If by doing nothing you mean not creating threads to complain about a couple of deleted posts - yes, that's exactly what I would do. I don't recall if I ever complained about deleted posts - perhaps in my early days on Bitcointalk when I had a poor grasp of forum rules. Today I'd just move on and try to learn from it. That's "something" to me but apparently "nothing" to you.

As for signature spamming - your comments in the Chipmixer thread made it sound like you would try to post in certain boards to make yourself eligible for the campaign. I wasn't the only one to read it that way. So you're either expressing yourself incoherently or you have the wrong motivation.

My preferred pad is escalation?
[...]
Moderator abusing his power of course.

Ok then

[wwzsocki]

As for signature spamming - your comments in the Chipmixer thread made it sound like you would try to post in certain boards to make yourself eligible for the campaign. I wasn't the only one to read it that way. So you're either expressing yourself incoherently or you have the wrong motivation.

Now you say that I express myself incoherently, exactly that is the reason why I have written such a long post and answered all questions, to not leave any room for self-interpretation anymore.

I truly don't know how you could understand me wrongly? I have stated many times, that I never have and never will start to post on any board if I would not have enough knowledge and experience.

I only asked for advice, as I did already before and because I was already writing much, I could easily spread this to many more boards. I truly don't know what is hard here to understand?

I will not quote these posts one more time here to not make this answer "long-winded" again, but you can easily find them back in Chipmexer thread and read one more time with little more understanding, would be great if your fillings could be neutral when/if you do this and not against me (as always), maybe this will open your eyes little wider sometimes.

[suchmoon]

As I said I only asked for advice as I did already before because I was already writing much, but could easily spread this to many more boards. I truly don't know what is hard here to understand?

I will not quote these posts one more time here to not make this answer "long-winded" again, but you can easily find them back in Chipmexer thread and read one more time with little more understanding and would be great if your fillings would be neutral if you will do this and not against me as always, maybe this will open your eyes wider sometimes.

Would you post the way you post if you didn't carry a signature and/or didn't want to apply for the Chipmixer campaign? Based on this:

I am little surprised to see such a laconic answer because I was fully honest (as always) and think that without the information I asked for would be really hard to figure out needs of this campaign, to be able to change/improve ourselves on time, especially for good writers from saturated, small local boards.

Additionally, I followed your last suggestion and started to write across more boards, especially Gambling and Gambling discussion, but seems like it has no impact on the final recruitment decisions at this time at least (to my surprise) and we already know that there is need for Chipmixer signature in these boards.

... and on some of your other comments - the answer seems to be "no". I think that's the wrong approach. Posting for the "needs" of a campaign is wrong.

[wwzsocki]

...I think that's the wrong approach. Posting for the "needs" of a campaign is wrong.

I have only asked if there are any special needs, is this wrong?

If actually, they would need more posts in any section which suites me, but I don't write there much because of the limited time we all have, it would be a great piece of information, not only for me but for many members who want to get a spot there.

I don't understand why my question is such a big problem? Many signature campaigns literally ask members to post 10 or 20 posts/week in Gambling or somewhere else, how different is that?
Are they posting there because they like it? Of course not? Are they signature spammers? In my opinion, only if their posts are spam and any other reasons shouldn't be important for a moderator.

I can quote here multiple comments from members who are complaining that they have to write in some special sections only because of the signature, why nobody targets them?
In my opinion, because it is not what the moderator should focus on. Quality, on topic, forum rules, add to the discussion, etc., this is what makes post good or not, not the other motives whatever they are.

...Would you post the way you post if you didn't carry a signature and/or didn't want to apply for the Chipmixer campaign?...

Of course, I would and I have posted even more without any signature in the past.

I am posting a lot and sometimes I have to stop myself from posting even more, so really signature is for me only some extra money and why not to take it if I am here on the forum constantly every day.

You are also in the Chipmixer campaign, are you a worse poster because of that? Would you post differently if you would be not enrolled?

[suchmoon]

I have only asked if there are any special needs, is this wrong?

You didn't just ask, you said that you actually started posting on certain boards, presumably to improve your chances to get accepted into the campaign.

Are they posting there because they like it? Of course not? Are they signature spammers? In my opinion, only if their posts are spam and any other reasons shouldn't be important for a moderator.

I can quote here multiple comments from members who are complaining that they have to write in some special sections only because of the signature, why nobody targets them?

I don't know what else I can tell you other than "agree to disagree". If you don't see anything wrong with this then I don't think I have any arguments to affect your opinion.

[TECSHARE]

I have only asked if there are any special needs, is this wrong?

You didn't just ask, you said that you actually started posting on certain boards, presumably to improve your chances to get accepted into the campaign.

Are they posting there because they like it? Of course not? Are they signature spammers? In my opinion, only if their posts are spam and any other reasons shouldn't be important for a moderator.

I can quote here multiple comments from members who are complaining that they have to write in some special sections only because of the signature, why nobody targets them?

I don't know what else I can tell you other than "agree to disagree". If you don't see anything wrong with this then I don't think I have any arguments to affect your opinion.

You don't get it. Suchmoon is the gatekeeper who determines who can post in what subforums, who can add people to their trust lists, and who can abuse the trust system freely. Kneel before them or they will call their clown car friends. You have a nice account there, it would be a shame if some one were to give you a bunch of frivolous negative ratings.

[mikeywith]

Recently, Mickeywith suggested in Chipmixer that it is impossible to change boards

As you can see Mickeywith suggested that it will be impossible for someone to start posting in the mining without noticing and I wanted to prove him wrong because

You misspelled my username twice  .

Anyway, I would like to see you quote the post where I wrote "it is impossible to change boards" or "will be impossible for someone to start posting in the mining without noticing".

I don't think you are making that up, I would love to believe that it's simply a misunderstanding due to linguistic barriers, I have literally said

It is either you are good at something or you are not, you cannot force yourself to post in boards you are not comfortable with just to be accepted

if you know what mining is and enjoy it, but for some reason, you have not been posting there, and out of a sudden for whatever reason, you start to be active in the mining board, that is completely fine, as long as you have the knowledge needed as well as the desire to actually post there. If you don't have both, it will be so obvious that you are in for financial gains, the mining board was just an example, I was not accusing you or anyone else of skewing, it was an advice to everyone who is willing to actually post in boards they know nothing about just to get accepted in X signature campaign.

If I learn Chinese and start to post there regardless of the fact that I have probably never posted there, I see nothing wrong with that, but if I use google translation to post in Chinese Local Board just to get accepted in Jihan Wu's signature campaign then that is terrible.

You really shouldn't even try to prove me wrong, because I was not challenging you, I was only trying to help you!

Having said that, I don't agree to the deletion of your posts, as far as I see, they are mining-related and are not off-topic (unless I am missing something), however, anyone who knows the mining board knows that frodocooper is pretty strict, probably the most strict moderator around, I myself get some of my posts deleted, I do get angry sometimes, but if I ' hypothetically' was the one who decides on keeping or removing him from the mining board, I will most certainly keep him as a moderator, he does a tremendous amount of quality work to the mining board, a few mistakes here and there do not wipe the efforts he puts and the work he does.

[truth or dare]

It is quite a simple issue

* Frodo is doing what he thinks is best by punishing those that he feels are posting only for financial gain

* The op is upset that his hard work was deleted on the above grounds, although those suspicions of Frodo were correct.

* others seemingly backing Frodo that motivation is a factor and that it is " the wrong motivation" for posting


The interests of the forum should be the priority.

If people want to class this forum as a source of employment and put huge effort in to ensure their posts are of the very highest value that when reviewed afford them the very best chances of chipmixer riches. Then that is not negative for the forum essential.
Well until the money drys up and all those valuable posters vanish I guess.


It is best for the forum that the campaign managers are capable of discering the most valuable posters and the same for mods. Motivation is largely irrelevant to the forum to create an optimal environment.

I fully support Frodo coopers view that posting purely for financial gain is mercenary and may suggest such posters are not real enthusiasts of contributing essentially to the design , implementation and adoption of decntralized fruitless projects which is kind of annoying they are taking revenue that real enthusiasts could be sharing.

For now the best thing a mod could do to help with that would be continually scamming members of chipmixer and other highly paid campaigns post history rigorously making sure that they are only taking payment for truely high quality posts.

There are members on chipmixer whom have freely admitted their greatest achievement after years of membership here is getting accepted to a highly paid sig campaign. This same chipmixer spammer was caught out sneakily using a puppet account to publish racist sig spans at the highest sig rates that he could. He was actually caught out jumping from one sig to another because the rate of pay was slightly more.

I'm sure he will be here to lecture that financially motivated posting is wrong and should be punished.

Chipmixer should be rotated through the best posters and mods should be ensuring their clear financially motivated posting is not driving them to clutter the forum with low value pollution.

If course because some mods are working for chipmixer and other highly paid sig campaigns you have a clear conflict if interests.

TLDR. Frodo has the correct idea but best to go for posts that provide demonstrably less value. This one can be argued provided real value to the forum regardless of the clear financially driven motivation to post.

I suspect a huge proportion of chipmixer posters make posts purely to get another 6 or 8 bucks.

So mods could certainly help ensure they are publishing posts of real value for their btc.

That's actually a good idea. Chipmixer posts that have no value thread should be started so mods can easily locate them. Report the most deleted chipmixer nonsense earn chipmixer rev they save from paying for valueless financially motivated noise. Double credits for reporting a family member or alt.

Perhaps if those claiming financially motivated posting is wrong removed their own sigs we could all feel less nauseous

[Timelord2067]

More of my posts have been deleted over night without any user name being given as to the *cough* person behind it.  More retaliation no doubt from the un-named forum mods who are too afraid to put their name to their work.

Definitely untrustworthy behaviour.


I may also have hit upon why they are deleting my posts weeks, months and even years later.  As petty as it sounds they appear to be manipulating my score on the BPIP.  More information as it comes in.

[wwzsocki]

Anyway, I would like to see you quote the post where I wrote "it is impossible to change boards" or "will be impossible for someone to start posting in the mining without noticing".

I don't think you are making that up, I would love to believe that it's simply a misunderstanding due to linguistic barriers, I have literally said.

Of course, you haven't said literally that it would be "impossible" to change boards, only this is how I understood this comment:

...I am very active in the mining board and I know almost everyone who is active there. I see some people try hard and they do not seem to blend in well due to lack of knowledge, interest or both, and you can easily spot them, simply because they don't have what it takes...

And that is why I have said to my friend on Telegram, that:

...Mikeywith  suggested that it will be impossible for someone to start posting in the mining without noticing ...

I think that was the sense of your comment quoted above and if I misunderstand you, then sorry.

I already answered in Chipmixer that I would never try to post in any section if I have no knowledge or enough experience and here I agree with you fully that it will be easy to notice, especially for a member who is frequently there.

...I have never thought to do so. That is why you haven't seen me on the mining board in the last couple of years... but I could easily come back because still, I have a lot of knowledge from the early days when I mined BTC and LTC...

I only wanted to prove that in my case it's a different story because I'm not new to mining, only an old returning veteran with a lot of passion and knowledge, I would say.

...if I ' hypothetically' was the one who decides on keeping or removing him from the mining board, I will most certainly keep him as a moderator, he does a tremendous amount of quality work to the mining board, a few mistakes here and there do not wipe the efforts he puts and the work he does.

This is also not my intention (and never was) to remove any moderator from any board and of course mistakes can happen, but it wasn't a mistake, only conscious action under the influence of emotions, on which the moderator should not be dependent at all.

...I started this thread to discuss in a wider group the need to enrich the information that the user receives after his post is removed, but also quietly counted to find out the reason for deleting my posts...

And after Frodocooper has written his totally false reasoning full of sucked from finger accusations, discussion about abuse of power started.

You misspelled my username twice  .

I am very sorry, already edited what I only could. I will pay more attention to usernames from now on. I understand that this can be annoying, sorry one more time.

It is quite a simple issue

* Frodo is doing what he thinks is best by punishing those that he feels are posting only for financial gain

* The op is upset that his hard work was deleted on the above grounds, although those suspicions of Frodo were correct.

* others seemingly backing Frodo that motivation is a factor and that it is " the wrong motivation" for posting

This is not true that I have written these posts in mining or post at all only for financial gain and I already provided proofs to back this up in this thread.

From few months I am enrolled in the GOLD signature campaign, which is very good managed and CM looks for very high-quality posts, additionally, it has only 50 posts in month requirement (lowest from all signature campaigns) and I am posting at least five times more, another obvious proof that I am not doing this only for the incentive.

This is even not possible to prove somebody that he is writing for financial gain (even if he is) and all members who are actually in any bounty or signature campaign are equal against this accusation.

In my opinion, such reasoning on this forum where bounties and signature campaigns were born is just insane.

I spent long hours posting without any signature in my empty local board a few years ago (when Frodocooper was not even here) because I wanted to help and when I hear all these insults now, it really makes me sad. Don't mention all the additional "work" I did for the forum without any incentive, during all these years.
One really can't judge someone, only after reading a couple of posts, when literally don't know me at all and this isn't the responsibility of moderator in the first place.

Only the quality of the post should matter for the moderator and be the most important measure, period.

[Timelord2067]

More examples of strange necro deleting of posts by mods weeks or months later:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

it seems people woke up on abut the 3rd of January this year and said "you know what? I think I've had enough of the bickering" which has been refreshing to see.

What forum are you talking about?

I didn't say it was a Utopia.      

I guess some mods are still in their coma.


Look at this one:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

.

A mod first modified my post and then deleted it.


This one is a direct reply to the OP (named in the post) the topic of the thread is me, so deleting a reply between either of us is malice by a mod:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

So you abandoned your own thread when the questions got too tough.

Code:

~GazetaBitcoin

This one takes the cake (or rather, takes the cow)

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

You only have one stomach. Cows have three. We are almost always digesting. Some really big muscular animals are vegetarians. Humans aren't. There are exceptions, usually by choice. And, I think that's enough of this off topicness. Just having fun too.

I think you'll find cows have four "stomachs" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripe#Beef_tripe As you can see in the link only the first three are made into tripe (presumably no-one is brave enough to eat the last chamber)

While I doubt @Dabs was the one who deleted the post, it shows how game certain mods are to randomly delete posts of mine weeks and months after the posts were made.

Archive [1a], [1b]

[TECSHARE]

It is because certain users are digging through years of old posts looking for things to report as a form of censorship and gas-lighting, and the mods are either complicit or mindlessly rewarding this abuse of the reporting system by giving them the results they are after.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

I did the deal with NO.

Thats hot.

[Timelord2067]

It is because certain users are digging through years of old posts looking for things to report as a form of censorship and gas-lighting, and the mods are either complicit or mindlessly rewarding this abuse of the reporting system by giving them the results they are after.

The mods are definitely complicit especially given they then send follow up messages to taunt and gloat they have done it (as reported by me elsewhere).

Threads that are nuked don't show up as "A reply of yours..." so we may never know how many of our old posts are quietly being deleted.


An example of which - user Neopotism https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Neopotism was Nuked in the last week, all three of their posts were merited.

I wonder if @theymos knows his staff are freely deleting posts and even Nuking them simply because of what they have said and about who.

[wwzsocki]

...I wonder if @theymos knows his staff are freely deleting posts and even Nuking them simply because of what they have said and about who.

TBH I wonder also because it is obvious that my posts were not deleted because of breaking any rules, only because of moderator @Frodocooper's personal thoughts about me.
Additionally, many members in this thread confirmed that @Frodocooper is "hard-handed" and deletes many posts without a proper reason.
If this not enough, not only me but also other members and mods couldn't find a proper reason for this deletion.

As I said already it is hard to believe because the mining section suffers from lack of activity, especially new threads and ongoing discussion.
In such circumstances, it is really hard to understand such behavior and lack of control from forum administrators.

If somebody missed @Frodocooper's reasoning for deletion of my posts, which has nothing to do with the quality, here is the link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225531.msg53861089#msg53861089

I have to add that I don't know @Frodocooper and never interacted with him on the forum. It is obvious that he build his reasoning about my person after reading only 2 of my posts in Chipmixer thread. I asked @Frodocooper in PM for another reply to my detailed answer to his accusations in this thread, but of course, never got it.

It is obvious that at least in my case, moderator abused his power, unfortunately, to this day, no consequences have been drawn and my posts remain deleted.

PS
Despite all the discussion, nothing has changed about the amount of information we receive when posts are removed. In fact, more data is needed, such as the post number or link to the thread, so that it can be found, especially after some time. And we can do this easily, thanks to the tools provided by our great users, such as @Loycev, but without additional information, it is simply not possible or very difficult.

[Lauda]

Additionally, many members in this thread confirmed that @Frodocooper is "hard-handed" and deletes many posts without a proper reason.

Being strict =/= deleting without proper reason. The off-topic posts, like many other rules, are very vague. 10 moderators may not delete a post reported for such, the 11th might and he would not be doing anything wrong. Note: I am not commenting on the particular deletions, I have not looked closely enough.

[Timelord2067]

Additionally, many members in this thread confirmed that @Frodocooper is "hard-handed" and deletes many posts without a proper reason.

Being strict ≠ deleting without proper reason. The off-topic posts, like many other rules, are very vague. 10 moderators may not delete a post reported for such, the 11th might and he would not be doing anything wrong. Note: I am not commenting on the particular deletions, I have not looked closely enough.

That may be true - at any given time I have about a dozen "not handled" reports that will sit for many days / weeks, then they will either disappear, or, more than likely get disapproved.  As you say one mod will pass the buck down the line until one is prepared to say "Yeh, or ney"


@wwzsocki - have you seen there is one (or is it two?) threads that have started since yours concerning heavy handed mods arbitrarily deleting posts?


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[dkbit98]

Looks like some mods have gone wild today with deleting posts.
This topic is full of silly replies and conversation, but they deleted two of my posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.0

Looks like hacker1001101001 have some superpowers...
Good work mods  

[wwzsocki]

...have you seen there is one (or is it two?) threads that have started since yours concerning heavy handed mods arbitrarily deleting posts?

The purpose of this thread was to discuss the lack of information we receive about posts deleted by moderators and to change this situation through discussion.

The only information we receive after mod deletes our post is a message about this fact and we need at least a link to the thread from which it was removed, post number, etc.

It would be ideal to have all the information who deleted, when, why ... but there are opinions that it could harm moderators, which I truly doubt.

It is very difficult to find these deleted posts without additional information, especially when some older ones are deleted and we could because there are tools available thanks to our great members.

I am calling once again for a discussion about the lack of available information which we receive about deleted by mods posts, only through discussion we have a chance to change something and influence administrators to do this.

[hilariousandco]

Looks like some mods have gone wild today with deleting posts.
This topic is full of silly replies and conversation, but they deleted two of my posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.0

Looks like hacker1001101001 have some superpowers...
Good work mods  

I didn't remove them but a couple of different users reported them as off topic.

[dkbit98]

I didn't remove them but a couple of different users reported them as off topic.

All good. No problem.
I don't know how talking about hacker1001101001 can be considered offtopic, when topic is about him
Anyone can check that topic and see a lot more real offtopic posts there.

[wwzsocki]

I am calling once again for a discussion about the lack of available information that we receive about the deleted post.

Only through discussion, we have a chance to influence administrators and to finally change something.

It would be enough if in the PM we receive after the deletion, there is a link added to the thread from which our post was removed and of course the post number.

In my opinion, this is the minimum amount of information we need to be able to find these deleted posts later on.

[Timelord2067]

Another admission by an admin/mod (this one is called "malevolent") who freely admits to have not read the thread before heavy-handedly choosing to delete it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.msg54293762#msg54293762

Post 5,500

Still no response to this thread by @theymos I see.

[Chivas Regal]

Friends,

I ask you, what was wrong with this post?

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

As long as you obtained the wallet.dat file through legal means and didn't just copy it from a soon to be former friend's hard drive, then you can just drop the wallet.dat file into the relevant directory and wait for the blockchain to sync.  You might want to backup your own wallet.dat first.

[nc50lc]

I ask you, what was wrong with this post?

I recognize that reply, that was posted in a Technical Discussion thread.
As far as I can remember, your suggestion was at the second or next pages, already tried by the OP or was posted without taking the previous replies in account.

By context, there's nothing wrong with it but it didn't add anything to the topic.

Disclaimer: I'm not the one who reported that post.
-Edit-
Found it: (modlog) "Delete reply: Re: Is it dangerous to load other people's wallet files in the Bitcoin client? in topic #5241531 by member #964385"
It was posted here: /index.php?topic=5241531.0, so it's off-topic.

[hilariousandco]

Friends,

I ask you, what was wrong with this post?

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

As long as you obtained the wallet.dat file through legal means and didn't just copy it from a soon to be former friend's hard drive, then you can just drop the wallet.dat file into the relevant directory and wait for the blockchain to sync.  You might want to backup your own wallet.dat first.

I didn't remove it but two people reported it as off topic/low value.

[Timelord2067]

Lemmie just slow clap whichever mod did this:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Bump again - will remove previous bump shortly.

(they didn't remove the "previous bump", rather just the updated bump...)

<Slow>

<clap>

[UserU]

I didn't remove it but two people reported it as off topic/low value.

Can't the affected post be reinstated? Meanwhile I don't understand why this got deleted. Topic was about how we lost our Bitcoins.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Yeah, on an old laptop I used to mine BTC a decade ago.

Forgot to save the wallet credentials and it's gone. Can't remember what's the amount though.

[hilariousandco]

I didn't remove it but two people reported it as off topic/low value.

Can't the affected post be reinstated? Meanwhile I don't understand why this got deleted. Topic was about how we lost our Bitcoins.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Yeah, on an old laptop I used to mine BTC a decade ago.

Forgot to save the wallet credentials and it's gone. Can't remember what's the amount though.

There's no report in the queue so I don't know what it was removed for or from where. Was it in a necrobumped thread or something?

Lemmie just slow clap whichever mod did this:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Bump again - will remove previous bump shortly.

(they didn't remove the "previous bump", rather just the updated bump...)

<Slow>

<clap>

Is that why you've gone on a report spree this morning reporting undeleted bumps from years ago?

[UserU]

There's no report in the queue so I don't know what it was removed for or from where. Was it in a necrobumped thread or something?

I don't think so, although the topic has existed for quite some time before I made the post.

[Timelord2067]

Is that why you've gone on a report spree this morning reporting undeleted bumps from years ago?

Funny, I was about to ask you the same thing (and it was two days ago) 

[actmyname]

I don't think so, although the topic has existed for quite some time before I made the post.

What's the original topic? It's possible that a "shifting necropost" caused posts to be reported & deleted, subsequently moving replies upward to where they are the new source of a necrobump.I have seen this happen a few times and reported some of them myself: replies chained to a root of an insubstantial necrobump are equivalently infected with the lack of substance, in my opinion.

[UserU]

I don't think so, although the topic has existed for quite some time before I made the post.

What's the original topic? It's possible that a "shifting necropost" caused posts to be reported & deleted, subsequently moving replies upward to where they are the new source of a necrobump.I have seen this happen a few times and reported some of them myself: replies chained to a root of an insubstantial necrobump are equivalently infected with the lack of substance, in my opinion.

It was titled, "How did you lose your Bitcoin?"

[wwzsocki]

Sorry, but I have to remind, that this thread was created for a discussion about the lack of information that we receive about the deleted posts.
I see that members start to post their deleted posts here and ask for reasons, but this is off-topic and from now I will report all these posts.

There are many other threads created for the purpose of reporting problematic deleted posts or one should open a new one, please don't do this in this thread.
This is not the first time I remind about this, so it's obvious that many haven't read the thread properly or just don't care.

I keep asking for more information we receive about deleted posts and maybe to change/improve the actual system if possible?

The most important problem and the question asked when posts are deleted is the (unknown) reason behind such a decision.
To improve this situation, a simple description would be enough: spam, off-topic, low-quality and could be added to every message about the deleted post.
I don't know how it looks like coding wise, but it seems like a simple improvement that could spare a lot of work for mods and confusion for members.

[Welsh]

I keep asking for more information we receive about deleted posts and maybe to change/improve the actual system if possible?

The most important problem and the question asked when posts are deleted is the (unknown) reason behind such a decision.
To improve this situation, a simple description would be enough: spam, off-topic, low-quality and could be added to every message about the deleted post.
I don't know how it looks like coding wise, but it seems like a simple improvement that could spare a lot of work for mods and confusion for members.

If you'd like you can "opt in" to any reports that I handle of yours in the future which were considered bad reports, and I can shoot you a quick message explaining the reasoning after I've handled them. I'm not sure how many reports I've handled of yours in the past, but I'm not bothered about messaging users if they've made bad reports, and want to improve.

If anyone would like to receive a message after I've marked a report of yours bad, just send me a message stating so.

[wwzsocki]

...If you'd like you can "opt in" to any reports that I handle of yours in the future which were considered bad reports, and I can shoot you a quick message explaining the reasoning after I've handled them. I'm not sure how many reports I've handled of yours in the past, but I'm not bothered about messaging users if they've made bad reports, and want to improve...

The bad reports are not the problem here, because I have only 28 of them compared to 2850 reports I already made, which is only 1%, I assume is a good average.



The problem I wanted to discuss is the lack of info we receive when our posts are deleted.

We got literally nothing and at least the link to a thread from which it was removed and the post number should be shared.

Of course, this is the minimal amount of information we need to be able to find these deleted posts, especially, if we are speaking about old posts.

[Timelord2o67]

@Welsh, yes I'd like to take you up on your offer, thank you.

@wwzsocki I'd be interested to hear what the number of handled is for other users and if such a low number such as you have is typical across the board?

[wwzsocki]

...I'd be interested to hear what the number of handled is for other users and if such a low number such as you have is typical across the board?

Here are two treads I have seen just recently in which members share their reports statistics, maybe this will be helpful for you.

Reporter Statistics

Top reporters!

[Welsh]

The bad reports are not the problem here, because I have only 28 of them compared to 2850 reports I already made, which is only 1%, I assume is a good average.

My offer can extend both ways. If you want to have an explanation on why a post has been deleted as long as I'm the one that's handled it I can do that too. I think this is quite a common thing for staff to do if its a particularly complex report anyway. Obviously, for higher ranks I only moderate a few sections. You could also message me even if I wasn't the one that handled it, and I could give you my opinion on why it was deleted. Don't quote me on this, but I believe I saw that Epochtalk allows for leaving a message with a deleted post.

@Welsh, yes I'd like to take you up on your offer, thank you.

No worries, I'll keep a list of users, and be a little more vigilant of who's reported, and who's been reported from now on.

[UserU]

My offer can extend both ways. If you want to have an explanation on why a post has been deleted as long as I'm the one that's handled it I can do that too. I think this is quite a common thing for staff to do if its a particularly complex report anyway. Obviously, for higher ranks I only moderate a few sections. You could also message me even if I wasn't the one that handled it, and I could give you my opinion on why it was deleted. Don't quote me on this, but I believe I saw that Epochtalk allows for leaving a message with a deleted post.  

Omg yes please, I'd like to know too.

Another one I got, seriously this is getting annoying.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Those are some great facts, i enjoy the reading... I didn't know the first faucets were up to 5 btc, that's crazy, with the current price that would be like $50k, epic right?

Thanks for the article and i will read the full one on the link you share to see the other fun facts.

Yeah, because no one expected it to boom all the way to its current price. It's rare to know who would actually store and not spend all their Bitcoins from the last decade.

[wwzsocki]

My offer can extend both ways. If you want to have an explanation on why a post has been deleted...You could also message me even if I wasn't the one that handled it, and I could give you my opinion...

Of course, I will be very happy to opt-in. Thank you very much for this offer and additionally, it would be great to have the possibility, to ask you for a second look and opinion.

TBH posts removals by moderators happened to me very rare on this forum and that was the second reason to open this thread.
In the last 5 years, only a few of my posts were removed by mods, and in the last 3 years almost none. That is why, I was so surprised to have two good posts removed from one board in a row, additionally confused about the true reasons behind this decision, but this is already explained in this thread and for me, it's obvious that moderator misused his power in this situation.

Anyways, I am not willing to take any steps further to look for justice because it was the first time and I am such a person, that I rather give the second chance (even not deserved) than look for punishment or to make problems to somebody. That is why the main narrative for this thread was and still is, to start a discussion about the minimum amount of information we need to receive when post is deleted by a moderator and to change something in a polite way.

It will be great if more mods would do this same and provide more information by themselves.

Another one I got, seriously this is getting annoying...

I already asked few times to not publish deleted posts in this thread, please.

If you ask for a second opinion, then sorry, but for me, this post is at least spammy TBH, has low value and adds nothing to the discussion, additionally, you quoted everything, this also looks bad and in my opinion, wasn't needed. I wouldn't report such a post, but understand the reasoning behind the removal and agree fully with such a decision. Members tend to forget about the low-value rule and that published posts should add something to the thread and discussion. It is not enough to write two lines of nonsense.

[Timelord2067]

I'm just parking this post here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269659.0

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Does it make any changes when I Distrust you or remove you from my list? I just don't trust your judgement on somethings  and that's already enough for me to have you ~
Just like what I said you can always put me on your ~ list

P.S. Sorry for the off topic OP, anyways I do have enough sMerits to spend due to lack of activity on my Local, still thinking of a way to regain that again.

Your actions were being scrutinized, not being attacked.  Your subsequent actions were therefore offensive, not defensive.  You need to deescalate your hostility towards me for merely putting your actions up to scrutiny.  You're wanting me to escalate my response towards you is not warranted as you appear to want to play the victim card.

Post 6,100

As you can see it was a direct reply to a series of previous comments between myself and the other person (none of which have been deleted).

You can also notice my post is on topic as it is also an attempt by myself to deescalate hostility by the other person towards myself, yet a moderator felt such action shouldn't occur.  In effect the moderator or admin is trying to en-flame the situation by making it appear I have not responded one way or the other.

Is this the kind of moderator we want in the Forum?

[UserU]

I'm just parking this post here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269659.0
As you can see it was a direct reply to a series of previous comments between myself and the other person (none of which have been deleted).

You can also notice my post is on topic as it is also an attempt by myself to deescalate hostility by the other person towards myself, yet a moderator felt such action shouldn't occur.  In effect the moderator or admin is trying to en-flame the situation by making it appear I have not responded one way or the other.

Is this the kind of moderator we want in the Forum?

I hate to sound like that guy, but I don't think whoever that deleted such posts (excluding those plagiarized ones) would show up to clarify things. Surely he or she would not find any basis to counter whatever you throw at him or her. So, just delete and hope you'd just forget about it and move along.

Not too long ago on my end.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

If you go to official websites to get official links to apps on app store or Google play, you will not be trapped by fake apps like what the topic you quoted warn. You should never pay your funds on the carefulness or responsibility of Google or Apple to check and 100% prevent fake apps to be listed on their stores. They should do because it is good for their app ecosystem, and their reputation but you in your own side has to be responsible for your fund's safety and security.

That's not always the case. Legit sites can also be compromised to host the malicious files. For apps, any update injected could also be malicious, and not just the client from the Play Store.

[UmerIdrees]

I have a question regarding deleting posts and i hope it is relevant too.
If anyone report a post, is it deleted on the basis of how many members reported it or it can be deleted on the basis of a single report ?

[Timelord2067]

I hate to sound like that guy, but I don't think whoever that deleted such posts (excluding those plagiarized ones) would show up to clarify things.

Hmm... perhaps you *are* that guy after all?

Omg yes please, I'd like to know too.

Another one I got, seriously this is getting annoying.

As was discussed in this thread previously, what one admin/mod will delete isn't necessarily what another admin/mod would delete.  So there is no uniformity, much less conformity.

[actmyname]

I have a question regarding deleting posts and i hope it is relevant too.
If anyone report a post, is it deleted on the basis of how many members reported it or it can be deleted on the basis of a single report ?

A single report can lead to a post's deletion. You don't need multiple sources to get a post deleted, though it may add duplicate entries in the report queue.

[Bttzed03]

I have a question regarding deleting posts and i hope it is relevant too.
If anyone report a post, is it deleted on the basis of how many members reported it or it can be deleted on the basis of a single report ?

It's better for a mod to answer but AFAIK, it's not about the number.

A comment that has been reported multiple times would probably be more noticeable in mod's dashboard (or whatever they call it) but they will still examine the validity of the report.

If the reason is valid, one report should be enough to delete a post.

There are also times when two users report a comment for different reasons. One can be marked as bad and the other as good depending on the accuracy.

[suchmoon]

You can also notice my post is on topic

It's certainly not on-topic in a thread titled "Question to merit sources" with the question being "So now the question itself: Do you pay attention to those users who never send anything to anyone when sending them a merit or you don't care, the main thing is that the post is useful."

Don't go full TECSHARE, don't turn every thread into your personal dispute, and you'll be fine.

[Timelord2067]

...

Considering when I send you PM's your responses are hostile and condescending, it's little wonder you would post such a glib post in public.

[Timelord2067]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Given @hilariousetc has made multiple threats/threatening behavior against me recently including by giving me negative trust feedback as retaliation for my having placed *neutral* trust feedback on his trust wall, I respectfully decline your offer to be interviewed at this time.



See also: Archive [1a] [1b]

Two posts (one concerning the same person who has been Trolling me this week) get deleted and they then turn up and start attacking me - coincidence @theymos, or abuse of their position as a mod / admin?