Little Mouse and RapTarX - What is this connection?

[Lucius]

Guy, I really hate to say this, but I really feel angry about your thoughts. You think that even if these accounts are connected, as long as they don't cheat, they will have no problem here  
I will talk about fairness here   How many signature campaigns are open to users of this forum? How many users can be accepted in all campaigns? I am sure it is a very small number compared to the active users on this forum. This competitive rate is very fierce, so what happens when you own multiple accounts? It increases your acceptance rate and reduces the rate of others. Do not say that "because he writes well, he can use multiple accounts and be accepted by all". It is not fair. There are many good writers here, and they only use a single account. For me, someone who owns multiple accounts and participates in other signature campaigns is cheating, by using multiple accounts, these people have taken the opportunity of other users. It is unfair, so don't accept it   Don't say that there is no fraud here, don't cover the bandits who take away other people's opportunities  
I confirm that I can use multiple accounts while ensuring the quality of the posts created, but it is fraudulent, justice does not allow me to do that.

When I read your post, I remember that I write something similar few days ago in this post on topic "Having secondary/multiple accounts purpose is..?". We seem to share a similar opinion about some moral and ethical principles, but they are hardly applicable in the real world, let alone in the virtual world. I believe there are people who have several accounts active in various sig campaigns, but this is allowed by the forum rules.

For those who are active on a daily basis and have a good power of observation, it is not difficult to notice that some accounts have fairly identical expressions, the same grammatical errors, and sometimes even speak to themselves, creating a semblance of discussion between different users.

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[Lauda]

When I read your post, I remember that I write something similar few days ago in this post on topic "Having secondary/multiple accounts purpose is..?". We seem to share a similar opinion about some moral and ethical principles, but they are hardly applicable in the real world, let alone in the virtual world. I believe there are people who have several accounts active in various sig campaigns, but this is allowed by the forum rules.

This is one example where the community is failing. For certain things we draw to "it is allowed by the rules, but we do not condone the behavior (thus act on it)", on others we draw to "it is allowed by the rules, but we do not condone the behavior yet we will ignore it (and thus not act on it)".
If it is ethnically and morally wrong, which it is, the community needs to draw to consensus and start dealing with it. This would be very simple. Group together whole DT 1, get majority to agree what is right and what is wrong behavior regarding multi-accounting and the issues is solved.
This is not happening because the very same members (some are - not all obviously) are involved in this business, either by multi-accounting, by enabling multi-accounters as proxies, by managing the campaigns or by doing both and more. There is no other good reason for this that I can think of. Quite unfortunate..  

[marlboroza]

Is this what you mean? Just copied it from the quote you send since as Ive mentioned the account is suspended already and I dont have access to it now. I dont know why youre asking this.

I mean, your post which you posted on forum. You posted it, right? There must be some kind of record. Hm, are you suggesting that they copy/pasted your twitter report directly from twitter? It really doesn't look like something which someone would have copy/pasted:

Just check out also the link he reported https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3124991.msg33824461#msg33824461 he posted different status from different users.

Or they messed up with reports. How the hell I know? I don't. Hm...you seems to be on The Shitlist, kicked out of facebook campaign because you have been recognized as facebook-spammer, your twitter account is banned...

[cryptoaddictchie]

Hm...you seems to be on The Shitlist, kicked out of facebook campaign because you have been recognized as facebook-spammer, your twitter account is banned...

To be honest I didnt deny it. As Ive told you, Ive been active in forum where I left those social bounty life of mine and become more focus on posting here where I learned the good stuff a newbie must learn. I always reiterate that in my motivational post. I will not deny that I am hunter focus in earning before. My perspective change since then, and from member rank I came here barehand doing some post on local and some outside section. Cause I am sure I didnt do what you are accusing me or somehow chuckbuck insisting me that I am. I know you have reputation here and as a user who grow matured I dont think I can argue with it as your one of the reputable member here. I'm defending my reputation too as I earned going to this rank with hardwork unlike some who are just gained the rank easily. Anyway, this is my last post to argue with. Thank you.

[legendster]

Wait, Little Mouse is in DT???

[LoyceV]

Wait, Little Mouse is in DT???

Nope

[legendster]

Wait, Little Mouse is in DT???

Nope

Thanks for clearing that up lol. He'd be the first Bangladeshi if he were.
Sorry for bumping this thread unnecessarily. I'm going to get my butt out of here. Came here because the accused pinged us in the Indian group.

[ChuckBuck]

Is this what you mean? Just copied it from the quote you send since as Ive mentioned the account is suspended already and I dont have access to it now. I dont know why youre asking this.

Please let me know the good reason for your account suspension at this time   You need to prove something here and LOL it's suspended: D

Just check out also the link he reported https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3124991.msg33824461#msg33824461 he posted different status from different users.

You are right at this point, he uses many different Twitter accounts,  but it's not enough to prove you're clean, one person can own many Twitter  

Wait, Little Mouse is in DT???

Somehow from my point of view, but not now  

User: Little Mouse - Currently a DT member (as far as I see)

Edit for conclusion:
The purpose of this topic is to reach a conclusion and the relationship between Little Mouse and RapTarX, we have sufficient evidence to conclude that they are owned by one person even though they still try to lie to deny it 
But there are still allegations of connectivity now (make by marlboroza), so the question is whether I should let this topic continue or lock it 

[Lucius]

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Maybe the problem is that most of the community still suits the current situation, because changing the rules would definitely have a very bad effect on their interests. But even if everyone in DT1 agrees on something, can there be a change in the rule that says "it is not allowed to participate with more than one account in signature campaigns"?

Even if such a rule existed, those who are a little more intelligent would certainly still bypass it. The thing is that the rules may change, but unfortunately people will remain the same. The old truth is that to some, this forum is just a way to make money, but it's also the old truth that money drives the world, a forum is no exception to that rule.

[ChuckBuck]

Maybe the problem is that most of the community still suits the current situation, because changing the rules would definitely have a very bad effect on their interests. But even if everyone in DT1 agrees on something, can there be a change in the rule that says "it is not allowed to participate with more than one account in signature campaigns"?

Even if such a rule existed, those who are a little more intelligent would certainly still bypass it. The thing is that the rules may change, but unfortunately people will remain the same. The old truth is that to some, this forum is just a way to make money, but it's also the old truth that money drives the world, a forum is no exception to that rule.

Maybe you're right for this problem, but you're wrong about the way of thinking   those who are a little more intelligent would certainly still bypass it   Intelligence is not the word for those greedy people who always find ways to cheat, in fact, honest people are always smarter than greedy people, that's why fraudsters are always Caught in this forum, one after another. Smart people have thousands of ways to make money, and fraudsters have only one way - cheat.

Edit for more: The truth - there are more greedy people than intelligent people, that's why things move in a bad way without changing.

[marlboroza]

Please let me know the good reason for your account suspension at this time   You need to prove something here and LOL it's suspended: D

It is suspended probably because of ICO spam, that picture I posted is his twitter status. I doubt someone went to his twitter to copy/paste this, so if this happened it was taken somewhere from that thread and I just don't see it. Another question is - why would anyone who has his twitter and is reporting his own statuses use status of someone else? Makes no sense.

I have no idea why cryptoaddictchie is responding to this thread and Little Mouse is nowhere to be seen and RapTarX posted only 1 post while connection includes RapTarX and Little Mouse as well and topic is about them.

Edit for conclusion:
The purpose of this topic is to reach a conclusion and the relationship between Little Mouse and RapTarX, we have sufficient evidence to conclude that they are owned by one person even though they still try to lie to deny it  
But there are still allegations of connectivity now (make by marlboroza), so the question is whether I should let this topic continue or lock it  

Well, I didn't tag any account yet because I am not sure. Evidence is pointing into direction that they are alt accounts and some circumstantial evidence could connect some other accounts, but really, there is always "what if someone do this to me, am I going to be tagged then"? And, If we rule out circumstantial evidence RapTarX == CoinMenX, then all I see here is they tried to roll the same account into campaign, regardless which account they used to do this. They didn't really cheated anyone and other connection is for different topic then.

I usually send neutral in case of alt accounts who didn't violate rules of campaign, so this is very likely what I will do here (and drop other connections for now).

[ChuckBuck]

Please let me know the good reason for your account suspension at this time   You need to prove something here and LOL it's suspended: D

It is suspended probably because of ICO spam, that picture I posted is his twitter status. I doubt someone went to his twitter to copy/paste this, so if this happened it was taken somewhere from that thread and I just don't see it. Another question is - why would anyone who has his twitter and is reporting his own statuses use status of someone else? Makes no sense.

I also searched this forum for that twitter link, but it didn't exist, meaning it was copied from my account on twitter and not on this forum. Then, the image from your post shows that cryptoaddictchie is promoting Muskcoin, so, did he ever participate in Muskcoin bounty campaign? (Maybe I'll take a moment to find out  )

I usually send neutral in case of alt accounts who didn't violate rules of campaign, so this is very likely what I will do here (and drop other connections for now).

I trust your decision, about other connections, we will have results in the future and on a different topic (if available). I will lock this topic soon 

[cabalism13]

Wait, Little Mouse is in DT???

Seems like one of the Title of LoyceV's DT thing ✌😂

And what's this,... 😂 @cryptoadditchie, how did your account get involve in this? I might not know how to prove him not being an alt of Little Mouse but I think I'll be on his side by this time. Nothing shady,... for I have just had a lot of transaction with this guys, crwth, bl4nkcode, inthelongrun, cryptoadditchie, akira, and others. Can't explain how but I do know the owners of these accounts ✌😂
Personally I somehow know this person IRL back on Nov.? Does Raptarx and Little Mouse one of our cute citizen?

But please continue your investigation 😂 until you all get satisfied.

Note: I'm also one of the shitty posters here back then so I do understand what he does from the history of the account.

Also am not getting in your way here, just can't keep quiet about it. @cryptoadditchie I suggest to calm down, nothing will happen, just let them do their work on busting accounts.

"it is not allowed to participate with more than one account in signature campaigns"?

Agreed.
1 user should just be in 1 campaign. And alts should not participate in any campaign.

Again:
Good Work ChuckBuck, just continue what you think you should be doing. Users that has been accused will just have to defend nothing more.

[Lucius]

Maybe you're right for this problem, but you're wrong about the way of thinking   those who are a little more intelligent would certainly still bypass it   Intelligence is not the word for those greedy people who always find ways to cheat, in fact, honest people are always smarter than greedy people, that's why fraudsters are always Caught in this forum, one after another. Smart people have thousands of ways to make money, and fraudsters have only one way - cheat.

Edit for more: The truth - there are more greedy people than intelligent people, that's why things move in a bad way without changing.

You have your own opinion, I have my own - a hundred people may have different views on one and the same thing, which does not necessarily mean that everyone is right or that everyone is wrong. I will disagree with "fraudsters are always Caught in this forum", because I believe there are quite a number of intelligent ones who know how not to create any links between their alt accounts.

I think this discussion goes to the OT, because it should be about Little Mouse and RapTarX accounts.

[Rotten Egg]

Users in question were marked by DT. But, since Lauda's exclusion, those marks are gone. Other DT members may consider tagging again.

[eddie13]

so the question is whether I should let this topic continue or lock it 

I hate it when people lock topics..
Like why?

mdayonliner

Think they are mdayonliner?

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Users in question were marked by DT. But, since Lauda's exclusion, those marks are gone. Other DT members may consider tagging again.

Boss, maybe some of us missed something or some evidence in this thread. So what should we tag them for exactly?
1. Being Alts?
2. Cheating signature campaigns/bounties?
3. Scamming?
4. Ban evasion?
5. Merit abuse?
6. Trust abuse?

Looking at how it all happened, the accounts maybe alts but what have they done that is considered shady, untrustworthy or unacceptably by the community?

[ChuckBuck]

Users in question were marked by DT. But, since Lauda's exclusion, those marks are gone. Other DT members may consider tagging again.

I don't know what your purpose is when touching this thread, but I forgot to lock it after receiving a request to unlock it from before. My purpose in creating this topic is to clarify the relationship between the two accounts. And I insist that we proved it, they are alt account. I don't think someone needs to keep tagging.

I hate it when people lock topics..
Like why?

Why should I lock and why not to lock? It doesn't really matter   I usually lock it when it's done, but I'll open it when someone requests it.

Looking at how it all happened, the accounts maybe alts but what have they done that is considered shady, untrustworthy or unacceptably by the community?

Depending on what you think, I think he cheated on using two accounts to make money from signature campaigns, maybe 3, or more, who knows? so I don't accept it, but maybe others think it is okay, so they ignore it. Nothing really hard!

[LoyceV]

15 month bump!

This case was brought to my attention. I read most of this topic again, but unfortunately several posts are about different users, which makes the relevant data harder to find.

I don't know who is Little Mouse. I have only one alt here; RapTarXalt, hence, the tag on my profile is a wrong one

The evidence works only in one direction: even though the post made by Little Mouse makes it looks like they're alts, there's no post from RapTarX indicating the same.

Let's say Little Mouse posts this:

Username: LoyceV
Post Count: 2189 (excluding this one)
BTC Address: 1Paydays4YWcXghQjwPPQH4mk7y4mGFV14

Re-applying for Senior Member/Full Member
I was participating as Full Member in Roobet.

I can't possibly prove I'm not an alt of Little Mouse! Anyone can create such a quote for any reason. It could as innocent as clicking the wrong quote button, and not reading back properly. Or it could be as evil as trying to frame someone.

I wouldn't agree with a person having alt accounts and acting like different persons.

For what it's worth: theymos agrees with hiding your identity:

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

Looking at how it all happened, the accounts maybe alts but what have they done that is considered shady, untrustworthy or unacceptably by the community?

Asking the real questions here

Somewhere in the past week, Little Mouse did this:

Trust list for: Little Mouse (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (572 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2021-09-25_Sat_06.07h)

Little Mouse Trusts these users' judgement:
15. Removed JollyGood (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 951 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Little Mouse Distrusts these users' judgement:
15. NEW ~JollyGood (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 951 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.

Today, JollyGood left this feedback:

Considering I just bumped this topic after 15 months, this looks like retaliation, which I don't consider correct use of the Trust system. I haven't seen any hard evidence of any of the accounts involved participating in the same signature campaign.

@Little Mouse: you haven't responded in this topic. Can you tell me what's your story behind this post?

[CryptoBuds]

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Considering I just bumped this topic after 15 months, this looks like retaliation, which I don't consider correct use of the Trust system. I haven't seen any hard evidence of any of the accounts involved participating in the same signature campaign.
@Little Mouse: you haven't responded in this topic. Can you tell me what's your story behind this post?

^ At first glance, it seems that JollyGood may have settled his personal grievances here.

It could have happened a personal Irritation has been shaken here.
Or JollyGood may not have noticed the incident before and suddenly it came to his notice when he saw the change in his trust list. I'm thinking positively.

"Little Mouse" & "RapTarX" Maybe they're both the same person, maybe not again. But, It is very unreasonable to give negative trust when someone has an alt account.
If they have not done any shady behavior and do not exchange merit, a maximum of neutral trust can be given, they do not deserve negative trust at all.

And yes, @Little Mouse should have commented and argued here. but for some special reason, I don't know what! he/she may be avoiding it.