I would like to make a sincere discussion here and if you want to tag me feel free to do so because I would myself leave the community the way it is going right now and I made a new account to at least safeguard main account.
Thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227531First of all let me clarify that
Lauda and the campaign manager for Fortunejack
Hhampuz both wear the signature of FortuneJack
The OP of the scam accusation is discussing about 5 bitcoins so it's not that he is talking about bits which can be ingored.
Op withdraws small amounts - FJ never says anything and let him do so.
Op withraw a bigger amount - FJ bans him and doesn't let him take his money
My question first of all to FJ is that " Why don't you verify accounts initially if you want to verify their accounts later?" Secondly why would you only ask such ID proofs on big withdrawals and not smaller ones?
I respect really how Hhampuz dealt with the situation, even though he took the side of the casino he is paid by.
JUST READ THIS POST AND PLEASE I BEG EVERYONE TO BE AS NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227531.msg53908818#msg53908818How excellently suchmoon quoted the whole situation in a shot post, and he is absolutely right too!
let me list the supporters and their points, while the guys supporting FJ are only Lauda and the campaign manager who migh fear a loss if FJ gets red painted
@Blossom15 dared to open his mouth - Got red tagged the same day! here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1244973another guy said this in support of OP
To be fair, he just said "it would be great if FJ chimed in".
I don't see how OP could provide any proof: if he's lying (historically, the most likely scenario), he'll just repeat that the accusations are baseless. If he's telling the truth, there's not much he can do to prove it, either.
The only ones able to provide clarity are FJ, and if they choose to, they'll probably post information on IP address, browser timestamps etc which will convince anyone with half a brain that the accusations here are baseless. If they don't, however, I don't see how this thread can become anything else than a waste of time.
ANOTHER GUY dared to speak against FJ and the defender tagged him just because he said against them
Every single claim of this type brought against FortuneJack has been false AFAIK. Therefore, please provide evidence or close the thread.
Ahem Ahem
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3463720.60 (This claim of shady act on part of FJ was TRUE and they did give the guy his money back, but after much pestering.) Looks like the sign wearers also hv to sell der soul.
@OP see this and do provide more proofs.
Finally someone made a valid point as below
The registration date and the time they login somehow show that they are connected considering they have same ip. AFAIK having same public IP is common when using a vpn which maybe the OP will used as reason. But the proof is no doubt that the 2 account is connected.
But then my question is all the withdrawals must be checked by only the bigger ones are stopped?
Another supporter who I am sure must be on hit-list for Lauda to even find a little mistake and paint him
Amelik just don't care about what others said, sites like these are forced to prove you are having an another account not otherwise, they have the resources which you don't.
As I am a person that travels a lot, for me it's normal and usual to connect from a public mcdonalds or starbucks when I am away to check what games are on. When I am being asked by bet365 my last public ip's, it's not my job nor obligation to provide them with such things. Each time after 1 rush call speaking with the manager, he gets soft and things get back to normal.
Crossing at a moment an IP with someone can be so easily, more if you live in a state where online gambling is not legal yet and maybe you're using a VPN.
A reputed member tried to step up and make a valid point but ignored
In what way does this post make trading with allahabadi high-risk, as per the red trust reference? Even assuming OP's claim is frivolous - he/she isn't being red-trusted but someone discussing the claim in the thread is. That paints a sad picture of FJ signature campaign.
Another supporter below
I guess this should serve as a lesson to all gamblers out there that do not gamble with Bookmakers/Casinos who have poor TOS. I'm kinda disappointed TBH how the crypto gambling industry is handling the multi-account situation there are far better ways to detect multi-accounts than merely IPs
( which I have explained here ). UIDs are far better at detecting multi-accounts and have a very low rate of false-positive scenarios. If a solo developer like me could implement a UID verification system and would outright block the registration of a new account if the user's UID matched someone else, preventing the loss of time and money for both me and them, I expect these casinos to go above and beyond.
I do understand this is one of the ways these casinos make money and one could argue all day about reading TOS before you put your money in these casinos but TBH I believe they don't need to rely on these practices. Like if the OP had lost the bets etc the casino would have gladly swallowed the losses but when its time to pay up, they go through all this verification and stuff, TBH its shady behaviour in my opinion and this isn't just limited to FJ, I have seen a couple of other casinos which have similar TOS. What you as a gambler can do is stop gambling at these casinos and demand better TOS. Otherwise, why not just burn your private keys/seed?
Also if this is the industry standard, It looks like the most profitable business to me. Basically, in theory, one could run a casino with similar TOS and when the times come to pay up large sums and your bankroll is kinda running low, You create a fake IP log of sorts and bail yourself out by not paying the amount due and by returning the original deposited amount. No one would be able to argue against you since you will already have established your brand and one-off cases would be dismissed as trolls and shit. I will look around and see how many bookmakers and dice websites have these kinds of TOS and are going unnoticed. Looks like a quite lucrative business to me... hmm.
A valid point made below
How he did damages to the site? They had enough evidence to block him earlier
I wonder the same
