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The number of net post on the local Russian board, shown on the above charts, is consistent with the Merit Dashboard. The latter, in turn, derives the data from the forum stats on the last day of each month, being the last two readings obtained from here: (31/03/2021) https://web.archive.org/web/20210331174739/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php(30/04/2021) https://web.archive.org/web/20210430192936/https://bitcointalk.org/index.phpAs pointed out, forum stats seemingly show net posts: created – deleted – moved, so post deletions and threads that get moved after a data snapshot will affect the data shown on the forum stats, and therefore, on all those derived from it. Being that so, it is sometimes wiser to follow the evolution of the forum stats in the big picture, seeing the trend overtime: https://public.tableau.com/shared/PYRXY6MH6?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_linkNevertheless, looking at the detail in above data, at least 3k posts were deleted (some possibly moved) from the Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin section, which probably is the root cause of the intermonth post count fall. Edit: Forum reindexing could sometimes readjust the count tolls (not saying its the case)
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There are no large new topics in this section for a long time, this is the smallest section of the locale. A moderator will never delete a huge thread. It will either be transferred to another section of the locale or taken to the Archives. There are no major topics from this section in the archive, which means that all topics are in place. Topic deleted/removed doesn't have to be new one in order to affect monthly post count in Merit Dashboard. Let' say that you wrote 300 new posts in "Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin" during April 2021, but in the same time some old topic got removed/deleted which had 3300 posts, meaning that total difference will be -3000, and will affect numbers significantly. These things happen with pretty much every board occasionally, and with Russian board for the last couple of months. And if you look at the diagram for counting the number of posts that I made, you can see that the counting algorithm broke about six months ago and began to show incorrect data for the Russian locale: Yep, from November 2020 and up until now Russian board numbers went down, but I don't think that its due broken algorithm, but deleted topics/posts. Best is probably to ask your local mods what is going on, did they delete or move some stuff around. And I wouldn't have focused on it if this broken data wasn't misleading. Because of this data, discussions about the death of the locale began to take place in my locale, and people began to speculate about what caused such a sharp drop in activity among posters. But in fact, there is no sharp decline and there was not. Just crooked counting algorithms that sowed the panic. ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) Yeah I am aware of the fact that people don't look in depth what is going on but rather just look at the chart and immediately draw conclusions. I try to mention in every monthly overview that they should check a bit more thorough to get the clear picture of the real situation, as this is more intended to be a brief overview, and not too detailed one, as I want to keep it simple in order to not bore people too much. I don't know if anyone is doing that in Russian local board, but it wouldn't be a bad idea if someone makes detailed monthly overview of your board, like I am doing for mine, and some others for theirs. Great example of detailed overview is this one made by @fillippone for Italian local board. It might help clear the situation and calm people down.
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That is, you want to say that the moderators suddenly began to delete half of what is published there? The difference in calculations is 3-8 times different. As I said before, topics moved/deleted don't have to be new ones to affect post count difference, inactive old topic from few years ago that got moved will affect numbers. My assumption that such a big difference is probably caused by mods work is based upon previous experience in similar situations. Year ago, while working on one of these overviews, I noticed that Arabic board ended up month in negative of ~200 posts. Since i was relatively new to Merit Dashboard and didn't really know how it works but kinda wanted to figure out what happened there, I contacted one of their active members asking can he maybe explain the situation. He contacted their mod who eventually contacted me, explaining that he indeed did some cleaning and moved/deleted some topics, causing this anomaly. Similar thing happened to Croatian board 6 months ago when we got few new child boards so bunch of topics were moved around and merit dashboard showed us having 1/3 of the posts that were actually written during that period. If you really want get to the bottom of this, I suggest that you ask your mods about it, and if they really confirm that they haven't moved anything around, that would leave us with some glitch affecting Russian local board numbers.
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May 11, 2021, 08:36:50 PM Last edit: May 11, 2021, 09:07:20 PM by Rikafip |
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If we take into account the cases with the deletion of old posts, then I have a question, why take into account old posts and topics when it comes to the number of posts for a specific fresh month. Your statistics do not reflect monthly activity, they simply calculate the average between what was and what is. And shows the result. If the moderators try, then I will not be surprised that we can see in your statistics something like: 100 posts per month were published in the Russian locale.
Even though I already explained why I prefer Merit Dashboard when making these charts, here it is again. And yeah, that's why I sometimes mention that numbers might be affected by the deleted posts, like I did in the last overview when I said exactly that for Russian board. I had the same dilemma few months ago when I started using ninjastic space and I also noticed the difference in numbers compared to merit dashboard. Thing with ninjastic.space (that I didn't know but DdmrDdmr explained it to me) is that is also counting all those posts that were for some reason deleted from the board, and that's why number is usually inflated compared to numbers found in merit dashboard. For example, if you had some spammer who wrote 20 posts in Indonesian board during March, and his account got nuked and all posts deleted, his posts will still be counted even though they are not there anymore.
With that being said, numbers on merit dashboard can also be wrong in case that mod deletes/moves threads around, but I decided to stick to merit dashboard numbers in the end as it doesn't seem right to count spam posts that have been deleted for days or even weeks.
So, in the end neither Merit Dashboard and ninjastic.space are 100% correct, and some weird results will happen, but I decided to stick with the former when making those charts as I prefer occasional odd results due high amount of deleted posts over inflated numbers. To get clearer picture of board activity, best is to use both of them.
I will start using ninjastic.space (which is an awesome tool ) for the post chart when/if deleted posts get excluded from the count. As simple as that.
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June 08, 2021, 12:12:36 PM Last edit: June 08, 2021, 12:37:46 PM by Rikafip |
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Another month is behind us, time to see some local boards numbers! As always, charts were made using data provided by @DdmrDdmr via his Merit Dashboard, which I suggest you should check if you want more in-depth look at the specific local board. Communities that are marked with "*" are those without local board, but I think that they deserve mention, at least those most active ones that have some chances getting their own local board in the future. Post activity per local board during May 2021After few months of decline, this time local boards have a slight increased total number of posts, from 23391 to 24300, but it is increase nevertheless. No change at the top, Turkish board was the most active one like in previous months, followed by the Russian (which again had high amount of deleted/removed post that affected their total number significantly) and German boards. It's nice to see that Portuguese board is increasing activity month after month, and same can be said about two communities without local board, Nigerian and especially Pakistan that are having very solid numbers as well, given the difficulty of writing everything in the same thread. Might be the time for forum staff to consider adding few more local boards and help those communities to further develop. Merit shared per local board during May 2021Despite the increase in posting activity, total amount of merits shared on local boards went down, from 4303 during April to 3929 in May, which is ~9% decrease. Majority of boards had more or less similar numbers like in April, with Russian board at the top like in previous months, while German board had pretty significant decrease for such a big board. Something weird is happening with Pilipinas board too, as they had only 20 merits shared, which is very low for their post amount. Among boards that increased amount of merits shared, Nigerian board sticks out. While in April they shared only 2 merits, last month it went up to 69 merits. Merit senders/receivers per local board during May 2021Another self explanatory chart, just to show amount of members that are part of the each board's merit activity. Naturally, more merit usually means more members involved, but there are are always few boards that have very big "merit network", relative to the amount of merit that they shared. Merit/Post ratio per local board for May 2021Last but not the least in this series of charts, merit/post ratio chart. Usual names are at the top, and same can be same about the bottom. Maybe its time for some boards to get more merit sources. The most active members during May 2021 per local boardFor the end of this monthly overview, list of most active members of each local board, done with the data from @TryNinja ninjastic.space
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Good work as usual. This reminds me I am late with my own analysis on the Italian local board. Damn, real life, stop interfering with my posting habits!
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June 08, 2021, 01:33:33 PM |
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Good work as usual. Thanks! This reminds me I am late with my own analysis on the Italian local board. Damn, real life, stop interfering with my posting habits!
Haha, I know the feeling, I also have a very hectic schedule for the last couple of months and its affecting my posting habits as well. I used to wait every first Friday of the month for @DdmrDdmr to update his merit dashboard so I can start working on this imemdiately, and now it takes me couple of days to make this. Your analysis of Italian board is extremely detailed and I am sure it takes a lot of time to compile all that, so I am not surprised that you are postponing it, as I am often doing the same for Croatian board, albeit its way less detailed than yours.
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The difference is significant. And the behavior of the graph in the first picture is too unnatural.
Yeah I know about the differences, and I am aware of the numbers on ninjastic.space, I check them every month while making that list of the most active users per local board. I said in one of my previous posts when I gonna start using ninjastic.space for the post count. Until then, plan is to stick with Merit Dashboard. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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July 06, 2021, 08:13:41 AM Last edit: July 11, 2021, 03:09:39 PM by Rikafip Merited by LoyceV (8), bitmover (5), dkbit98 (5), fillippone (5), hugeblack (4), DdmrDdmr (3), Pmalek (2), FatFork (2), shahzadafzal (2), Daniel91 (1), Lucius (1), Bthd (1), Porfirii (1), famososMuertos (1) |
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Time has come for yet another monthly overview of the local board activity. Like in all previous overviews, all charts were made sing @DdmrDdmr Merit Dashboard where you can find more details about each local board. You will notice several communities marked with "*", meaning those are the ones without own local board but I think it's important to include them too. Well, at least those few most active ones that may have some chance of getting their own local board. Post activity per local board during June 2021
Unfortunately, post number continued to decline after last month's increase, and almost all local boards had decrease. Turkish board remained at the top, followed by the German and Portuguese. Last month Russian board had so many posts deleted that they ended up in negative, meaning they are missing from this month's chart. It's nice to see Pakistan community going strong, despite not having their own local board. Looking at their activity for the last couple of months, maybe it's time for another local board which ( AFAIK) hasn't been added for quite some time. Merit shared per local board during June 2021During June, only 3588 merits were shared, which is a solid ~9% decrease compared to May 2021. That goes in line with overall forum's all time low when it comes to merit shared. Usual names are at the top of the chart; Russian, German, Italinad and Turkish, and pretty much the same thing can be said about the bottom. All this merit numbers should look significantly different in the next month overview as theymos introduced 14 new merit sources, and increased monthly allocation to some of the existing ones. By doing so, monthly merit generation increase by ~60% so I am really looking forward seeing how that reflects on local boards. Merit senders and receivers per local board during June 2021Pretty much straightforward chart, in which (naturally) more merits shared usually means more people involved, with a few standard exceptions. Merit/Post ratio per local board for June 2021And for the end, merit/post chart, that is going to look (hopefully) much better next month. I do hope that some of the new merit sources are from the few local boards that look seriously under merited ( Croatian board got new one yesterday) like Turkish and Pilipinas. Not that some of the others also couldn't use extra merit , but those two looks the most undermerited, given the limited data I have (I don't speak those languages so I can't tell how quality discussions are there). The most active members during June 2021 per local board
For the end of this monthly overview, I think that it's important to mention the members that are keeping their local board alive. List is made using the data from @TryNinja ninjastic.space
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I'm of course surprised that deleting posts from 2018 directly affects the post count of 2021. In fact, there is no negative value in the Russian locale and we go with the Turkish locale almost on a par.
Both @DdmrDdmr and me explained to you how Merit Dashboard counts posts, yet you keep going on month after month with the same thing all over again, like a broken record. I also explained to you why I prefer using Merit Dashboard (and when I gonna change that) over ninjastic.space when it comes to post count, and I stand by my decision. There is no conspiracy against any board, so stop QQing about it. Well, you can go on, but at least I won't have to look at it. Since I don't wanna go through all this again, and you obviously don't plan to stop with this pestering, you are going on my ignore list. Over and out.
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Thank you ver much Rikafip for these very interesting statistics. I would say that not only the number of posts and activities on the forum has been reduced, but also the quality of the posts. However, we got new local merit sources so if nothing else, all quality and good posts will get well-deserved merits, which has so far been one of the main problems in the non-English sections of the forum. I agree with the suggestion that members from Pakistan also get their local board, based on their contributions and activities on the forum.
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Merit/Post ratio per local board for June 2021<…> Did you censor the Italian board on purpose on this graph or it is only an error? Great work anyway. Once again, you are a bell ringing: it’s time for my analysis on the Italian board! (And I admit double checking my results against yours).
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July 06, 2021, 11:25:50 AM Merited by fillippone (2) |
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I agree with the suggestion that members from Pakistan also get their local board, based on their contributions and activities on the forum.
Well, they will have to be persistent if they wanna get local board, and unless I am mistaken they already have thread in Meta asking exactly that. Generally, I understand why forum stuff doesn't add new boards easily as there are so many dead/half dead boards already, but I do hope that they are not completely opposed to the idea of making new ones, if there is such a need.
Did you censor the Italian board on purpose on this graph or it is only an error? It was an attempt to remove one of the most quality local boards in order for my local board to appear higher on the list. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Joking of course, it was an honest mistake and it's been sorted already, thanks for letting me know. I see that Italian board keeps going strong, 0.63/0.58 is a great merit to post ratio! Once again, you are a bell ringing: it’s time for my analysis on the Italian board! (And I admit double checking my results against yours).
I have to do the same thing for Croatian board as well, as soon as I catch some time.
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Excellent work Rikaflip. I was taking a look at your charts, and I am happy that the Portuguese board is becoming one of the biggest local boards in the forum. This is a recent event, as our board used to have less activity. However, the merit/post ratio there is extremely low compared to other local boards. I was able to visualize that thanks to your charts. Recently theymos added one more merit source in our local board. I hope things will get better there soon. Edit: There is no spam in the Portuguese board. Our ratio should be much higher. Unfortunately, post number continued to decline after last month's increase, and almost all local boards had decrease. Turkish board remained at the top, followed by the German and Portuguese. ...
..... Merit/Post ratio per local board for June 2021....
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I was taking a look at your charts, and I am happy that the Portuguese board is becoming one of the biggest local boards in the forum. This is a recent event, as our board used to have less activity.
Yep, it's nice to see that Portuguese board is not only maintaining its numbers while majority of other boards are getting less active, but even increasing the post count. Keep it up! However, the merit/post ratio there is extremely low compared to other local boards. I was able to visualize that thanks to your charts.
Recently theymos added one more merit source in our local board. I hope things will get better there soon.
Edit: There is no spam in the Portuguese board. Our ratio should be much higher.
Congratulations on getting additional merit source! What you explained is pretty much situation on Croatian board as well; we also have very clear board with minimum amount of spam, and it was also under merited. Luckily, we also got another merit source, so situation should be much better from now on. As I said before, Ia m really curious to see this month's stats after the increase.
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Would be great if you could add @Rikaflip also Russian number of posts in the first chart because it really looks like there was nothing posted and tons of merits sent on Russian local board. I assume this is a mistake? EDIT I think I already found the answer when I was reading your thread further So, in the end neither Merit Dashboard and ninjastic.space are 100% correct, and some weird results will happen, but I decided to stick with the former when making those charts as I prefer occasional odd results due high amount of deleted posts over inflated numbers. To get clearer picture of board activity, best is to use both of them
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Indonesian local board have experienced a decline in the number of monthly merit distribution since the merit system was implemented. This time only 62 merit were sent there. November 2020 is the lowest month among the other 2 months, December 2020 and June 2021. I'm sure there's no missing merit source there, but it could be that some of them have high criteria in choosing post before sending merit. I don't see any other reason for this, apart from the decreased number of post then quality is always the reason why not much merit is being shared there. Hopefully there will be improvements after adding the merit source.
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I think I already found the answer when I was reading your thread further So, in the end neither Merit Dashboard and ninjastic.space are 100% correct, and some weird results will happen, but I decided to stick with the former when making those charts as I prefer occasional odd results due high amount of deleted posts over inflated numbers. To get clearer picture of board activity, best is to use both of them Yep, thats it. Indonesian local board have experienced a decline in the number of monthly merit distribution since the merit system was implemented. This time only 62 merit were sent there. November 2020 is the lowest month among the other 2 months, December 2020 and June 2021. I'm sure there's no missing merit source there, but it could be that some of them have high criteria in choosing post before sending merit. I don't see any other reason for this, apart from the decreased number of post then quality is always the reason why not much merit is being shared there. Hopefully there will be improvements after adding the merit source.
I have no idea what's going on in Indonesian board, but amount of merit shared really took a dive. In my first monthly overview back in March 2020, Indonesian board had 821 merits shared, and compared to this month's 62 that's like 90% decrease which is huge. In the same period, number of posts didn't change drastically, so that shouldn't be a main reason. I mean, I can understand merit shared decreasing due lower number of posts or lower quality, but such a huge decrease looks more like you lost merit source, or he became inactive. Then again, this is just my speculation based on the numbers, members of your board can probably give a better answer.
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If we take a look at sMerit being sent on the Indonesian local board, we can see that the large sMerit awarders have drastically reduced their awarding action on that local board, even to the point of coming to a halt over the past few months: Now the inner motives should probably be sussed out at a local level, determining whether the sources have gone inactive, or the board has dropped significantly in the number of interesting posts created there.
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July 09, 2021, 11:58:45 PM Last edit: May 15, 2023, 11:31:31 PM by fillippone |
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If we take a look at sMerit being sent on the Indonesian local board, we can see that the large sMerit awarders have drastically reduced their awarding action on that local board, even to the point of coming to a halt over the past few months: The nice point of your dashboard is that there are so many ways to use it. How I never thought about adding this very simple, yet effective graph to my analysis?
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