The Turkish Complex of Some Eastern European Forum Members

[marlboroza]

I ve made this thread deliberately provocative in response to some really childish racist remarks and death threats raised against my own countrymen in previous 2 threads started by wolwoo yesterday, and wanted to highlight that contrary to what some veteran members think, there is a very palpable and easily verifiable ethnically charged hate against some Turkish members on this forum, and it is putting them at an unfair financial disadvantage during most forum based applications like bounty campaigns...

Where is that death threat? This?

maybe you might want to get us into gas chambers like hitler's
https://www.ushmm.org/

Would be a waste of gas. You are not worth it.

It is a bloody joke. You are overreacting over this.

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[stompix]

I'm still waiting for the Spanish to apologize, and the Romans, those Italians have been at us several times. And Vikings were baddies too!

Hmmm...I'm waiting for 7/3 of Europe to apologize.

If we go back to the 10th century or 5th there is no person alive in Europe whose ancestors haven't killed, robbed, or at least punch once in a face somebody's else ancestors.  Who cares anymore about Vlad Tepes or Elizabeth Báthory (seriously OP, google it) who cares about 10 centuries of bloody history.

This is not about the resentment of Czechs, Slovaks or Poles (btw, OP, when did the ottoman empire conquer Prague, I have a lapsus), it's not about countries or ethnic groups, this is about money, is about 0.0000001% of that country population trying to get a bigger piece of the pie and trying to start a keyboard war here.
"Love of bitcointalk" how wolwoo said..nope, nothing like that. It's a love for money, nothing heroic, nothing patriotic, nothing that is going to be in the history books.( although it is going to end in loycev's archive).

Op, if you would really care about your ancestors, you wouldn't bring them up here...

an unfair financial disadvantage during most forum based applications like bounty campaigns...

That's the essence of all those threads, somebody wanting money because of this race or ethnic group.
Isn't this a bit.....racist?

[JollyGood]

Incorrect. Tagged for defamation.

If the Ottoman Sultans did not sabotage their own dynasty through extensive fratricide and the later adapted practice of keeping the heir apparent locked in a cage till coronation, chances are pretty high all these lands would still be under Turkish banners today, we know for a fact that genetically they are more Turkish now than any of the nominal nationalities mentioned above...

Thank the almighty that you were repelled, or we would still be living like mongrels.

maybe you might want to get us into gas chambers like hitler's
https://www.ushmm.org/

Would be a waste of gas. You are not worth it.

LOL.  That post made wolwoo a candidate for the Godwin Trophy of the year—and I say that as someone who just last month got into a flamewar with someone who drew an analogy between “Hitler, born in Austria, infected almost the whole of Europe”, and “Tyrol, infecting half of Europe with SARS-CoV-2”, quote-unquote, with blame in both cases on the mentality of Germans and Austrians.

He/they are overestimating their own value, gas is expensive.

The OP is another attention seeking member of the Turkish local language board. The fact he/they keep dragging the fact they are Turkish in to their posts mean they are trying to make that the key basis of conversation.

It is really sad that a handful of these users from the Turkish language board that frequent the global board have deliberately created a climate of conflict just because their key protagonists failed in their long term goal of getting on to the most lucrative of signature campaigns.

[suchmoon]

I have a feeling that history books in classrooms across Europe have wildly different interpretations of the same events. One country's hero is another country's villain.

This got nothing to do with forum reputation.

[Blacknavy]

Before the Ottoman Empire collapsed, it was poisoned by Islam. The Turks were used as soldiers or workers and we were humiliated by some sultans because many Ottoman sultans lost their Turkishness after Islamic propaganda and marrying with foreigner women. Those who ruled the Ottoman Empire and the rich persons were not Turks. Just like other minorities, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk made the Turks revolt against the Ottoman Empire. In this way, we were able to establish our own country. Even though the Germans do not want to accept, they owe all of the prosperity they have today to Hitler. If we really did genocide, we would still not be dealing with defamation campaigns of Kurds, Armenians and other minorities which want to get money or create a new state. We didn't commit genocide like Hitler (By the way, I don't think Hitler is a bad commander. I'm sure he was the one who loved Germany the most). Europeans legitimize the genocides they made in the past by making up fake history. Apart from that, European and American people think that they live in a country more free than the Turkish Republic. None of you are satisfied with the economic situation and minority policy you are in. You just think you're free and believe it. Continue to believe that you are free and the media tells you the truth.

[LoyceV]

European and American people think that they live in a country more free than the Turkish Republic.

Try to criticize your leader, see what happens. There are countless reports of among others political opponents, dissidents, journalists and soldiers who ended up on jail, many of them sentenced for life.
From the above link, there were 50,000 arrests of alleged supporters of the (alleged) coup alone!

You can test your freedom by claiming publicly that the 2016 coup was a false flag operation in Turkey. See how long you last.
Now compare that to claiming 9/11 was an inside job in the US. Those people don't lose their freedom.

[Blacknavy]

European and American people think that they live in a country more free than the Turkish Republic.

Try to criticize your leader, see what happens.  There are countless reports of among others politial opponents, dissidents, journalists and soldiers who ended up on jail, many of them sentenced for life.
From the above link, there were 50,000 arrests of alleged supporters of the (alleged) coup alone!

You can test your freedom by claiming publicly that the 2016 coup was a false flag operation in Turkey. See how long you last.
Now compare that to claiming 9/11 was an inside job in the US. Those people don't lose their freedom.

I'm not one of the Erdogan's supporters and today's Turkish leaders were elected by the community because of fake economic crysis and media propaganda. Most of people are biased to Turkish Republic because of hatred of Islam and Erdogan but, it doesn't change the fact that Fethullah Gülen is a terrorist. They had been stealing questions of exams included education, civil servant and military since 1980. Thus, they were trying to create their paralel states. Unfortunately, there are more than 50,000 people who need to be arrested.

[marlboroza]

This got nothing to do with forum reputation.

But they accused lauda of death threat and something about forum members being racists, so it must be for reputation.

By the way, I don't think Hitler is a bad commander. I'm sure he was the one who loved Germany the most

That must explain genocide Hitler did.

Europeans legitimize the genocides they made in the past by making up fake history.

Two evils doesn't make one evil less bad.

[Blacknavy]

That must explain genocide Hitler did.

I don't have to explain what Hitler did, I don't care.

Two evils doesn't make one evil less bad.

Two evils? Armenian genocide never happened.

[JollyGood]

Before the Ottoman Empire collapsed, it was poisoned by Islam.

If there was no Islam there would not be an Ottomon Empire. Many of the unelected leaders of that empire and many of the citizens that lived with it poisoned the empire thus were traitors to it.

The fact the Turkic and those from Kazakhstan and surrounding nations eventually became civilised and populated the modern day Turkish lands was a direct result of Islam taming those people and giving them a purpose and direction in life.

The Turks were used as soldiers or workers and we were humiliated by some sultans because many Ottoman sultans lost their Turkishness after Islamic propaganda and marrying with foreigner women.

The so-called Sultans were Turks and whether they married foreign women who did or did not become Muslims had nothing to do with any imaginary propoganda. Once again, the Ottoman Empire existed because they were followers of Islam. If the element of Islam was removed from them they had no empire and no reason to have one. Islam was their basis and driving force. All throughout their empire they had to deal with deluded individuals such as yourself who were trying always bowing their heads and saying "yes sir" and "Selam Aleyküm" when they needed to yet they tried their best to destroy the empire from within.

All empires throughout history have had to put up with deluded citizens such as you that jump on the governmental bandwagon when they reap the economic benefits and then curses the same hands that once fed them because things are not going the way they hoped.

Those who ruled the Ottoman Empire and the rich persons were not Turks. Just like other minorities, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk made the Turks revolt against the Ottoman Empire. In this way, we were able to establish our own country.

Most across the wider MENA region (Muslim and Christian Arabs alike) see Kamal Pasha as a terrorist who was instrumental in destroying the Islamic Empire and see the name Atatürk being attributed to him as being an insult to those that lost their lives defending their religion and their land from the allied forces during world war one. Many see Kamal Pasha as a coward who resigned from his post in the army of the Ottoman Empire of which he was as citizen and then after that betrayal there was a warrant for his address and he was sentenced to death in absentia because he was a traitor.

Later on when he managed to pass through so-called modernisation laws by removing the Turkish uthmani text from every day life and replaced it with Latin alphabet, he was despised even more from within and outside the new found state called Turkey. He then went all out to make the new state a secular one which was another reason people never forgave the man saw as the traitor terrorist Kamal Pasha.

Think about it, a non-Muslim heavy alcohol drinker traitor terrorist who managed to weasel his way to the top of a political system of a majority Muslim populated country then tried to eliminate religion from the hearts of its citizens. What a way to die, in disgrace and with cirrhosis of the liver because of heavy drinking which would not have happened had he been practising the very religion he tried to kill. Quite understandable why most Turkish people despise Kamal Pasha.

The biggest slap on the face for Kamal Pasha (and he must be turning in his grave for it) is that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan the present President of Turkey and slowly turning back all of the anti-Islamic rules and regulations that were set in place to destroy Islam.

Others call him Atatürk (father of the Turkish nation) as some form of ultimate respect and see Kamal Pasha as a hero who was one of the authors of the Amasya Circular which led to the Sivas Congress, which in-turn had a multi-pronged objective including the aims of creating an independent state which would not form part of the Ottoman Empire and which would rid it of the British, French, Italian, Greek and other armies that occupied parts of the Ottoman Empire including Constantinople (called Istanbul from 1923).

Many credit him for helping create the state of Turkey as a secular state and want the separation of religion from the state as they see it as a modern thing. They see him as a hero.

Even though the Germans do not want to accept, they owe all of the prosperity they have today to Hitler.

You are in serious need of both medical and psychological help.

Maybe with the effects coronavirus lock down might be having on your health the situation is getting more and more dire for you. Please use the emergency services available to you in your country and seek appropriate medical health otherwise you may one day be a lost cause they will give up on you and will never recover from your mental illness.

If we really did genocide, we would still not be dealing with defamation campaigns of Kurds, Armenians and other minorities which want to get money or create a new state.

English?

We didn't commit genocide like Hitler (By the way, I don't think Hitler is a bad commander. I'm sure he was the one who loved Germany the most). Europeans legitimize the genocides they made in the past by making up fake history.

Whether Europeans faked historical facts or not, what cannot be missed here is the fact your love and adoration for Adolf Hitler is apparent.

Apart from that, European and American people think that they live in a country more free than the Turkish Republic. None of you are satisfied with the economic situation and minority policy you are in. You just think you're free and believe it. Continue to believe that you are free and the media tells you the truth.

It is these types of posts that show how deranged and imbalanced a user can be. I had to un-INGORE him to read this tripe and then re-add him back on to my IGNORE list.

[Blacknavy]

The fact the Turkic and those from Kazakhstan and surrounding nations eventually became civilised and populated the modern day Turkish lands was a direct result of Islam taming those people and giving them a purpose and direction in life.

Kindergarten story.

Whether Europeans faked historical facts or not, what cannot be missed here is the fact your love and adoration for Adolf Hitler is apparent.

I don't like Adolf Hitler, but the ideology of national socialism. It's not about this topic.


I don't believe that I could express myself fully and I would like to discuss it with you in more detail, but I had to have a more fluent English to be able to provide you accurate informations. I just wanted to explain objectively that Armenian genocide has never happened. In World War I, we were fighting not only the Europeans but also the minorities within us and some Islamic religious groups. At that time, we did not even have a knife to fight Armenians. Many Turks were massacred by Armenians. However, I do not blame them as they blame us, it was just a war.. The Turkish Republic which established by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk isn't different any European country but there are many people who are biased to Turkish Republic because of the hatred to Erdogan. Due to this prejudice, people believe that the history that is not correct is correct. I'm out of this topic atm. As I mentioned above, you can believe the media that tell a kindergarten story. It doesn't change the truth.

[Vispilio]

Warning: the following excerpt contains black propaganda against Ataturk, considered by most independent and neutral sources to be the greatest leader of 20th century in the world, by the deluded brainwashed creature called ~JollyGood who I can only assume is a medieval minded terrorist in favor of the most radical elements of political Islam;

I quote part of jollyclown's macabre lies below so that everyone can rightfully put this manipulated charlatan to their ~~~ list, the likes of him only belong in medieval societies like Saudi Arabia and should be promptly expelled from all civilized organizations including this forum.

Most across the wider MENA region (Muslim and Christian Arabs alike) see Kamal Pasha as a terrorist who was instrumental in destroying the Islamic Empire and see the name Atatürk being attributed to him as being an insult to those that lost their lives defending their religion and their land from the allied forces during world war one. Many see Kamal Pasha as a coward who resigned from his post in the army of the Ottoman Empire of which he was as citizen and then after that betrayal there was a warrant for his address and he was sentenced to death in absentia because he was a traitor.

Later on when he managed to pass through so-called modernisation laws by removing the Turkish uthmani text from every day life and replaced it with Latin alphabet, he was despised even more from within and outside the new found state called Turkey. He then went all out to make the new state a secular one which was another reason people never forgave the man saw as the traitor terrorist Kamal Pasha.

Think about it, a non-Muslim heavy alcohol drinker traitor terrorist who managed to weasel his way to the top of a political system of a majority Muslim populated country then tried to eliminate religion from the hearts of its citizens. What a way to die, in disgrace and with cirrhosis of the liver because of heavy drinking which would not have happened had he been practising the very religion he tried to kill. Quite understandable why most Turkish people despise Kamal Pasha.


Vispilio's note: (all lies by the way, only the least educated segments of Muslims or Turkish society would dislike him because Ataturk's genius revolution and legendary victories against the Allied powers brought the Turkish nation back to the forefront of competitive human civilization, resurrected from a fallen empire who had been in decline for centuries because of the cultural paralysis caused by a manipulated backward form of political Islam as well as extremely deficient leadership owing in part, as Dragondance correctly noted, to the outrageous Ottoman traditions of systematic fratricide and caging the remaining princes to prevent assassinations...)


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Others call him Atatürk (father of the Turkish nation) as some form of ultimate respect and see Kemal Pasha as a hero who was one of the authors of the Amasya Circular which led to the Sivas Congress, which in-turn had a multi-pronged objective including the aims of creating an independent state which would not form part of the Ottoman Empire and which would rid it of the British, French, Italian, Greek and other armies that occupied parts of the Ottoman Empire including Constantinople (called Istanbul from 1923).

Many credit him for helping create the state of Turkey as a secular state and want the separation of religion from the state as they see it as a modern thing. They see him as a hero.


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[nullius]

I can’t believe that Blacknavy is not totally wrong here.  For one thing, he revealed the self-serving myopia of Europeans and Americans on a topic dear to my heart:  The freedom of speech.

European and American people think that they live in a country more free than the Turkish Republic.

Try to criticize your leader, see what happens. [...]

You can test your freedom by claiming publicly that the 2016 coup was a false flag operation in Turkey. See how long you last.
Now compare that to claiming 9/11 was an inside job in the US. Those people don't lose their freedom.

You picked the wrong example.  Conspiracy theories about 9/11 are not the canary in your free-speech coal mine.

You can test your own freedom by stating this publicly, under your real name:

Even though the Germans do not want to accept, they owe all of the prosperity they have today to Hitler.  [...]  (By the way, I don't think Hitler is a bad commander. I'm sure he was the one who loved Germany the most).

Or better, by outright supporting Hitler.

Have fun with that.  Even in America, where freedom of speech is theoretically guaranteed by the First Amendment, in practice you would be targeted by pseudo-legal, extra-legal, and/or outright illegal means...

Even though the Germans do not want to accept, they owe all of the prosperity they have today to Hitler.

You are in serious need of both medical and psychological help.

Maybe with the effects coronavirus lock down might be having on your health the situation is getting more and more dire for you. Please use the emergency services available to you in your country and seek appropriate medical health otherwise you may one day be a lost cause they will give up on you and will never recover from your mental illness.

...which may include not only accusations of mental illness, but Soviet-style involuntary use of the psychiatric system to de facto imprison you without criminal charges—plus drug you until you really do become crazy.  The pathologization of ideas is pure poison to the freedom of speech.

More likely, however, you will just become permanently unemployed blacklisted as unemployable regardless of work performance or behaviour at work—plus subject to Antifa types of personal violence while the police look the other way, etc., etc.

The freedom of speech requires that ideas be met with ideas.  If there is any idea that is de facto forbidden to express, then it is by definition a thoughtcrime.  Whereas if an idea is so wrong that it should be unthinkable, then surely it can be replied to with better ideas—without any type of violent coercion against those who express it.  That is simple logic, and the underpinning of a profound principle.

The alternative is that this free-speech thing doesn’t actually work, because the vast majority of people are manifestly incapable of thinking for themselves; thus, they need officially approved ideas protected by an authoritarian government against the deceitful propaganda of mass-manipulators.  And that would be an argument for... Hitler.  Actually, it is more or less a big part of what he said on the topic.

Apart from that, European and American people think that they live in a country more free than the Turkish Republic. None of you are satisfied with the economic situation and minority policy you are in. You just think you're free and believe it. Continue to believe that you are free and the media tells you the truth.

A meritorious observation overall—and one that few will even think, much less say.

I disagree insofar as I don’t think that Turkey is anything even remotely approximating a free country; Europe is overall better in that regard.  But Europe is not “free”, either—not even nearly; and in practice, America is overall worse.  America is a dystopia of near-total mass thought control, which preaches about its domestic “freedoms” with the same hypocrisy as with which it preaches the “liberation” of foreign countries whose people did ask for the American world-police to bomb them into “freedom”.  Frankly, I would prefer to deal with honest tyrants who wave their iron fists upfront, than to deal with the American government.

The reality:  You are free to do what we tell you.  You are free to think what we tell you.  You are free to choose between Coke and Pepsi.  YOU ARE FREE TO OBEY.


Yesterday, I half-drafted a reply on this thread re various historical issues.  I withheld it in the belief that even the slightest attempt to untangle this mess was not worth bumping one of the stupidest of stupid threads that this forum has seen in a long time.  Well, that is always a mistake.

I just had to hit the free-speech issue here, in the hope of making people in Europe and America stop patting themselves on the back, and think about how free they really aren’t.  If time permits (certainly not now), then I may take a stab at some of the other mess here.  Though I doubt it would make any difference.

[Lakai01]

It s no secret that for the biggest part of their modern history the entirety of what is today known as Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, all the formerly Yugoslavian nation fragments, sizable parts of Poland, Austria, Czechia and Slovakia, in summary the whole of Balkans and considerable parts of Eastern Europe were under Turkish rule.

Just to put that right briefly ...

I can be wrong but as far as I know there have never been (important) parts of Austria under Turkish rule. The Ottoman Empire tried twice to besiege the city of Vienna, but failed each time devastatingly. The first siege took place in 1529, the second in 1683, both times the Ottoman Empire failed to gain a foothold in Austria.

But it is actually true that Turkish civilization had an impact in Austria. For example, the Austrians got to know coffee through the sieges (and love it, Austria is well known for its coffee house culture), the so-called "Butterkipferl" also dates from this time and is a pastry that ridicules the Turkish crescent.

[wolwoo]

My thoughts are as follows:

-Every person can love their race and nation, this is natural.
-Everybody can say "My nation is good", but if it says "only my nation is good and superior to everyone" there will be a conflict.
-We are all human and equal, we may have mistakes in the past or now. The important thing is not to repeat this ...
-It is no use for anyone to make this a blood feud today because our ancestors fought in the past.
-If everyone in the forum respects each other. As a Turk, I do not hostility to any nation. I am hostile to "behaviors", regardless of who they are.
--I am not talking about religion because everybody is free to believe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi0RpNSELas  

[GazetaBitcoin]

I disagree insofar as I don’t think that Turkey is anything even remotely approximating a free country; Europe is overall better in that regard.  But Europe is not “free”, either—not even nearly; and in practice, America is overall worse.  America is a dystopia of near-total mass thought control, which preaches about its domestic “freedoms” with the same hypocrisy as with which it preaches the “liberation” of foreign countries whose people did ask for the American world-police to bomb them into “freedom”.  Frankly, I would prefer to deal with honest tyrants who wave their iron fists upfront, than to deal with the American government.

The reality:  You are free to do what we tell you.  You are free to think what we tell you.  You are free to choose between Coke and Pepsi.  YOU ARE FREE TO OBEY.

Unfortunately, world (maybe more in US, maybe more in other countries) comes more and more like Orwell's Oceania, described in his masterpiece 1984. I'll add three quotes from the book, very relevant in this case.

“It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself–anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called."

“The thing that he was about to do was to open a diary. This was not illegal (nothing was illegal, since there were no longer any laws), but if detected it was reasonably certain that it would be punished by death."

"There is no way in which the Party can be overthrown. The rule of the Party is for ever. Make that the starting-point of your thoughts."

I withheld it in the belief that even the slightest attempt to untangle this mess was not worth bumping one of the stupidest of stupid threads that this forum has seen in a long time.  Well, that is always a mistake.

Loool, yes indeed. Very, very rarely my eyes saw anything like that. Unfortunately, mods also deleted a post of mine which describes very short all OP's way of thinking insanity. I'll try my luck once again:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

When your "national hero" the impaler and torturer of some 20,000+ people including his own countrymen finally got the attention of the Turks and was easily ambushed and beheaded in a forest in his own country

So this is the Turks baboons logic: if you break into my house carying a weapon and I'm defending me and my property using a gun, I'm the barbar, the villain, the sadist, right?

That makes fully sense.

I may take a stab at some of the other mess here.  Though I doubt it would make any difference.

Unfortunately, most likely, it won't.

[dkbit98]

This  has nothing to do with Bitcoin, Bitcointalk forum, crypto or member reputation.
Global mods please move this to Offtopic section.

[suchmoon]

This  has nothing to do with Bitcoin, Bitcointalk forum, crypto or member reputation.
Global mods please move this to Offtopic section.

Not happening. I already reported it to be moved to P&S and it was "bad". As marlboroza said, merely mentioning "Lauda did something" is enough for any shit to stick in Reputation.

[Vlad2Vlad]

I hear Vlad the Impaler is destined to make a comeback. 

I hope that’s not offensive. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

If he does, I wonder if he'll take a leisure trip on BitcoinTalk lands. He may want to remember his good old habits if he'll see the Ottoman hordes here trying to take over these lands