🔥 FAKE: Defamation At Its Worst During Chipmixer Applications 🔥

[hacker1001101001]

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I am a grown up man, able to make my own decisions, this will be very insulting for me, a defeat of my own self - if someone else comes in my life and starts manipulating me. Not happening bud. I am not that weak character. The day I will lose my interest on bitcoin, I will not care about anything in here.

So far you seem to be making your own choices, but I think you underestimate the lengths this person will go to in order to subvert the people and the systems around here to get control. I am not judging your character, simply giving you a friendly warning. Don't give them any opening to exploit you, because they will at the drop of a hat.

I totally agree with this advice, they don't bother about anything if it's question of power or authority over others. Lauda can go as far as publishing PMs, making public and private threats, damaging your financial assets and even threatening you with doxxing.

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[amishmanish]

False. No such thing was claimed. Lauda and his gang trying to do this.  
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Please dn't lie about something that is clearly visible? You and others have give this impression many times that "Turkish posters have been targeted so DT-1 can control who can get into highly paid campaigns". Just see your own words from the reply in this topic itself.
(emphasis mine)

I am trying to get to know global members. It is natural to add or remove someone from the list.

Anyway, this happened last year. This thing that happened months ago was brought to the agenda. Only I was targeted. Why is that? Of course for the money. I was accepted into the CM campaign. Black propaganda was launched about me.

Here is a friend again making it all about "Signature campaigns"

an army of mediocrity milks this forum for salaries in the form of "signature campaigns", while most of the much better qualified, meritocratic and innocent members have gotten alienated and abandoned the forum, disillusioned by the hypocrisy and feigned ignorance exhibited by members such as you and LoyceV

I wonder who are these better qualified, meritocratic members he seems to think are leaving. The forum has  a lot of qualified members contributing and ranking up all the time. Its you and your club of people who employ things like cycling merit amongst each other to enroll alt-accounts in bounties and sig campaigns to "maximize" earnings.

Watch him making this about his "chances to get into CM" again:

at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected

Here is another one claiming it is about "high paid signature campaigns."

The main problem here is that some people initiate lies and defamation campaign against other members to join the Chipmixer/Fortunejack etc. which is high paid signature campaign.

I could find more examples but these should be enough. I hope you can accept that this is what you all were focussing on earlier? Now that DarkStar_ has said he had no knowedge of that particular issue, it is clear that the removal had nothing to do with black propaganda or investigation on you. There is no need for Trukish posters to fear if they have done nothing wrong. People from all local groups have been getting into different campaigns for a long time. The only visible difference is that when someone gets caught abusing bounty, merit etc, the local community actually admonishes those people rather than going into a huddle in the name of nationality. Just read some of the posts in this link by other Fillipino members when a prominent member Polar91 was caught abusing bounties with alt-accounts etc.

As far as getting into DT-1 is concerend, it is not such a big deal anymore. With continued engagement and history of trades, more and more people will be coming into the group. The only requirement is that people in DT-1 should not give validation to conspiracy theories and should not cheat or abuse merit etc. to enroll into campaigns.

[Kalemder]

False. No such thing was claimed. Lauda and his gang trying to do this.  
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Please dn't lie about something that is clearly visible?

False again and again.

I did not blame @Darkstar in this message or in my other messages. This was Lauda's claim. He is lying. Because he wants to manipulate. So you and lauda are lying

Lauda and his gang (yes including you). This is what you are trying to do with your lies. His trying to punish collectively. He tries to impress the managers with his power. It is clear that he has failed in this regard.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3248711.msg54149284#msg54149284

[nutildah]

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

You completely sidestepped addressing the fact that I proved you were presenting events out of order. You were adding Turkish users to your trust list before Sept 7th, 2019, the day you involved yourself in their dispute with Timelord. There's no way I can make it any more clear to everybody than I already did.

Now stop lying.

[bonesjonesreturns]

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

You completely sidestepped addressing the fact that I proved you were presenting events out of order. You were adding Turkish users to your trust list before Sept 7th, 2019, the day you involved yourself in their dispute with Timelord. There's no way I can make it any more clear to everybody than I already did.

Now stop lying.

Lying? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.0

Come on nutildah adding some people to their trust list really doesn't compare to knowingly and willing scam facilitating for pay and then trying to conceal the evidence

Mr I don't want to wear  a sig here lol

Just waiting for you to get on chipmixer so they step up a notch in sponsoring super scum.

[JollyGood]

Here is an excellent post made by bob123 in the self-moderated thread Vispilio made:

Is there something preventing you from promoting Chipmixer services to those "characters"?

We both know its not about advertising anything. It's about the money.
But i guess your post was sarcastic anyway.. I don't believe you really expect a proper answer to that question.

Btw, did you know...

If you take the position of each letter in Vispilio's name and add that together:
V=22
i=9
s=19
p=16
i=9
l=12
i=9
o=15

22+9+19+16+9+12+9+15 = 111

and multiply it with the amount of unique letters in his name: V, i, s, p, l, o (=6), you get: 111*6 = 666.


Coincidence? I don't think so. Let's just think about that for a minute.

[bonesjonesreturns]

Here is an excellent post made by bob123 in the self-moderated thread Vispilio made:

Is there something preventing you from promoting Chipmixer services to those "characters"?

We both know its not about advertising anything. It's about the money.
But i guess your post was sarcastic anyway.. I don't believe you really expect a proper answer to that question.

Btw, did you know...

If you take the position of each letter in Vispilio's name and add that together:
V=22
i=9
s=19
p=16
i=9
l=12
i=9
o=15

22+9+19+16+9+12+9+15 = 111

and multiply it with the amount of unique letters in his name: V, i, s, p, l, o (=6), you get: 111*6 = 666.


Coincidence? I don't think so. Let's just think about that for a minute.

Could you explain how this is excellent? How does it relate to the points in the OP?

Looks like an interesting but largely off topic and irrelevant discovery?

Explain?

[JollyGood]

My post in the censored thread created by Vispilio was deleted but the original from bob123 was not.

I will re-post it here for all to see as there just might be something in it as bob123 outlined... 

Is there something preventing you from promoting Chipmixer services to those "characters"?

We both know its not about advertising anything. It's about the money.
But i guess your post was sarcastic anyway.. I don't believe you really expect a proper answer to that question.

Btw, did you know...

If you take the position of each letter in Vispilio's name and add that together:
V=22
i=9
s=19
p=16
i=9
l=12
i=9
o=15

22+9+19+16+9+12+9+15 = 111

and multiply it with the amount of unique letters in his name: V, i, s, p, l, o (=6), you get: 111*6 = 666.


Coincidence? I don't think so. Let's just think about that for a minute.

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[muslol67]

Not just the charges in this topic! In order to avoid the "hateful" approach Lauda tries to place in this forum, all his actions must be examined! In particular, I invite the forum management and therefore @theymos to comment and do something about it.

I really want to ask the forum administration. Aren't you disturbed by the presence of such a person in the forum?
I don't know what he/she has to do with the Turks! However, if we consider that racism activities started to end in the 60s, he/she may have serious psychological traumas. When I wanted to look at the posts he/she wrote there are more than 4-5 mention about Turks in his/her profile on each page as far as I can see. I started to suspect that a Turk might have seriously hurt him/her. But I don't think he/she needs to be so afraid and hate the Turks, because I think that it is not worth as much as a fly in our eyes ...

@Bthd stated an idea contrary to you.

This guy showed himself to be an idiot without morals ready to support turkish baboons such as yourself in any kind of abuse. Don't blame me when you expose your own evil nature scumbag. I do not even know what campaign the user is/was in, they are of no importance to me or this place.

There are more important things than money in this life.

If you only understood that for more than 1 second, we would not be here.

Is this because nobody wants to hire the Turkish monkeys into campaigns?

At the point we have reached, considering the old flags about Lauda, the hatred and hateful understanding that she spread in the forum attracted the attention of the entire forum, not only us (Turks).

[amishmanish]

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

You completely sidestepped addressing the fact that I proved you were presenting events out of order. You were adding Turkish users to your trust list before Sept 7th, 2019, the day you involved yourself in their dispute with Timelord. There's no way I can make it any more clear to everybody than I already did.

Now stop lying.

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

Hi TECHSHARE. I want to present a case before you. Please hear me out. You have an impressive trading history. You seems to be a person who wants solutions rather than drama but due to past conflicts with Vod etc., it seems that you have taken a stand against the "DT1 clique" that some people complain about. I can see that you don't like people going into the depths of a users history and bringing out their actions to gauge motivation, leaving negs and feedback on its basis. Yet, don't you think that the forum is more or less only self-policed against those who want to only milk for money through alts in campaigns or wish to promote alt-coins so they can get rich from Alts trading?

You add users to counter-balance DT-1. That does not seem to be a good reason. I saw that when you were trying to moderate honorably between AbitNut and that StonerStanley guy, it ended up being frustrating for yourself because the users didn't exactly turn out to be as reasonable as you had hoped.

ABitNut, I am requesting on StonerStanley's behalf that you please remove your negative rating for him. He has taken the first conciliatory step towards mutual restoration, and your original rating seems somewhat baseless.

I retract my previous request for resolution for this user. He is too dumb and rude for his own good. You guys can have this one, he has it all under control.

Didn't that incident show that when someone of your stature (Old member, lots of trades, looked up to by quite a few) trusts people, it has to be a very well thought out step?? You are effectively empowering people. Do we empower people first and then see how they behave or do we judge them beforehand whether there past behavior demonstrates worthiness for more responsibility and power on Bitcoin forum?

I think the whole reason your trust inclusions were leading to such a conflict is because there seems to be a disagreement on the above questions.

Without going too much into the details, I think you should reconsider this stand of extending freedom to mean that everyone should be allowed to furnish in the forum irrespective of the fact that there motivations seem to be based solely on money. Money isn't a bad motivation but it shouldn't be the sole motivation. I know there is a lot of background to this but as far as i see from Vispilio's behavior, he has been going through this devolution of:
1. They are racist so they oppose me
2. The DT-1 are conspiring to keep Turkish members off "lucrative sig bounties"
3. The DT-1 is being controlled by Blockstream to keep Alts away from this forum.
Please look at this:

ps. just the fact that genuinely insightful users like bonesjonesreturns have to hide behind alternate aliases to speak the truth on this forum,

while terrorists like ~lauda manage to sustain artificially net positive DT trust sheets, is all the evidence you need that this forum is broken,

Meanwhile more and more people seem to believe that Blockstream just wants to keep it that way in an attempt to silence all crypto competition with its paid trolls that have taken over Bitcointalk

I can't help but feel that you are allowing yourself fall victim to the adage "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" a bit too much . Obviously, this is all just my interpretation based on what i judge from your words. You can have your reasons and are not obliged to explain to anyone. I am not trying to convince you. I am just explaining why I am convinced this way. Your desire to have objective standards for Trust ratings is a worthy target. It should be discussed in a solution-approach manner with everyone. Not as a kind of political stand between two warring parties that others take advantage of.

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At the point we have reached, considering the old flags about Lauda, the hatred and hateful understanding that she spread in the forum attracted the attention of the entire forum, not only us (Turks).

LOL! What up with you guys and this "we request the manager", "we request the management". Plus, we love Turkey out here. Its a great place. Isn't Istanbul the Constantinople of old? Also, Saying "Turkish Monkeys" does't mean that its meant for all people from turkey, Its only meant for the monkeys/ baboons from Turkey who cannot see beyond the loss of "lucrative signature bounties". I am sure there are a lot of perfectly good Turkish men out here in the forum. Just that many of them are afraid of global because of the propaganda from their elders.

Just get over trying to prove this "racism". Tell the people not to go overboard with crypto scams or multiple accounts for bounties. Other Locals have gone through that same evolution. The people there self-corrected. Scams still persist but as a community, we don't try to defend wrongdoing. Relax! You are doing fine.

[mindrust]

ps. just the fact that genuinely insightful users like bonesjonesreturns have to hide behind alternate aliases to speak the truth on this forum,

while terrorists like ~lauda manage to sustain artificially net positive DT trust sheets, is all the evidence you need that this forum is broken,

Meanwhile more and more people seem to believe that Blockstream just wants to keep it that way in an attempt to silence all crypto competition with its paid trolls that have taken over Bitcointalk

"Censorship! Blorgstream! Theymos!"

LoL  i didn't see this one before. Now he devolved into a Ver?

Tell that noob .com forum and r/btc is that way:
https://forum.bitcoin.com/
https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/

The pattern he is drawing is pretty much the same that Roger did in the past. All greed. They'll like each other well... for a while.

[nutildah]

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I wouldn't have stepped in if he hadn't said this:

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

This is not what happened. With the exception of 1 member, (Blacknavy), he added all of them first, before he knew how they would respond to his "mediation" (or well before the entire thing took place). The real order of events is this:

- TS gets included by Turkish members and ends up back on DT1 (with a positive score)
- TS "mediates" dispute between Timelord on Turkish community
- TS's reciprocal trust inclusion history is exposed
- TS falls back off DT1 (with negative net inclusions)
...7 months later...
- TS ends up "back on" the default trust list with +2 inclusions

Now he'll probably try to switch the subject to anything other than why he made up a fake timeline in order to make it seem like he wasn't fishing for reciprocal trust inclusions.

[amishmanish]

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I wouldn't have stepped in if he hadn't said this:

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

I get it nutildah. I just wanted to re-state what TECHSHARE has been saying and try to look at it from his viewpoint. He has taken a personal interest in trying to make DT1 more diverse. I am only trying to make him see that his intention maybe good but the guiding factor should not be "I want to take a look on whoever the DT1-Clique targets". He has said here: (emphasis mine)

You want to REALLY know why I added those Turkish users? Because they were just barely off the DT and I wanted to see it more diverse. Additionally because anyone the resident clowns exclude I immediately find interest in. The Turkish community was obviously being targeted. I don't believe it was for racist reasons though, I just think the clowns feel like they can't keep their iron grip of nepotism if more groups are included. All this circus is, is punishment for working to bust up their little clown cartel, and it is painfully transparent.

Through what i have seen of those particular Turkish users, especially Vispilio, they are eloquent but insidious. Just look at the posts spreading conspiracies about DT-1 controlling Theymos, Blockstream controlling DT-1 and all of them somehow conspiring to keep his alt-coins out of the forum. Isn't this forum supposed to be about Bitcoin?? The legendary and older turkish members are supposed to act as "guides" to the newer local members. Instead, this is the shit they are peddling in the name of "justice", "national pride" etc etc. Don't we have enough of the Roger Ver businessmen types who choose to make the most of the "business opportunity" even if it meant putting decentralization at stake?? (See quoted post from mindrust above)

These people keep saying that Theymos should do something. If there is one thing I know about Theymos from his past actions, he is not someone who would look kindly at people who attempt to change or disparage Bitcoin because they somehow aren't able to EARN enough from it. That behavior is typical of people like Ver, Jihan, Faketoshi. These are the points I have tried explaining to him. I hope he tries seeing it from this viewpoint. Him adding people to DT-1 and thus empowering them should be a more responsible action.

If he really wants diversity, there are plenty of users in the Indonesian, Fillipino and even Indian section who don't want to compromise on Bitcoin just so they can earn more for themselves. There are people contributing to technical sections and having a good enough knowledge on the history of bitcoin such that they don't fall for the conspiracy theories peddled by trolls on r/btc. What are we even doing at this forum if we can't stick to certain tenets?? I personally like to believe that this isn't just "business".

[bonesjonesreturns]

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I wouldn't have stepped in if he hadn't said this:

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

I get it nutildah. I just wanted to re-state what TECHSHARE has been saying and try to look at it from his viewpoint. He has taken a personal interest in trying to make DT1 more diverse. I am only trying to make him see that his intention maybe good but the guiding factor should not be "I want to take a look on whoever the DT1-Clique targets". He has said here: (emphasis mine)

You want to REALLY know why I added those Turkish users? Because they were just barely off the DT and I wanted to see it more diverse. Additionally because anyone the resident clowns exclude I immediately find interest in. The Turkish community was obviously being targeted. I don't believe it was for racist reasons though, I just think the clowns feel like they can't keep their iron grip of nepotism if more groups are included. All this circus is, is punishment for working to bust up their little clown cartel, and it is painfully transparent.

Through what i have seen of those particular Turkish users, especially Vispilio, they are eloquent but insidious. Just look at the posts spreading conspiracies about DT-1 controlling Theymos, Blockstream controlling DT-1 and all of them somehow conspiring to keep his alt-coins out of the forum. Isn't this forum supposed to be about Bitcoin?? The legendary and older turkish members are supposed to act as "guides" to the newer local members. Instead, this is the shit they are peddling in the name of "justice", "national pride" etc etc. Don't we have enough of the Roger Ver businessmen types who choose to make the most of the "business opportunity" even if it meant putting decentralization at stake?? (See quoted post from mindrust above)

These people keep saying that Theymos should do something. If there is one thing I know about Theymos from his past actions, he is not someone who would look kindly at people who attempt to change or disparage Bitcoin because they somehow aren't able to EARN enough from it. That behavior is typical of people like Ver, Jihan, Faketoshi. These are the points I have tried explaining to him. I hope he tries seeing it from this viewpoint. Him adding people to DT-1 and thus empowering them should be a more responsible action.

If he really wants diversity, there are plenty of users in the Indonesian, Fillipino and even Indian section who don't want to compromise on Bitcoin just so they can earn more for themselves. There are people contributing to technical sections and having a good enough knowledge on the history of bitcoin such that they don't fall for the conspiracy theories peddled by trolls on r/btc. What are we even doing at this forum if we can't stick to certain tenets?? I personally like to believe that this isn't just "business".

Considering your trust inclusions list I don't expect TS should take any tips from you.
Stacked full of greedy self serving scammer supporters and scammers.

And how are you getting along with that home work i set you?

Have you finished fully researching the putrid scamming scum yet?

There is not one member I oppose that is not a proven dirt bag.

Lol at the conspiracy theories.

Stfu debunk the conspiracy or quit your scammer supporting slobbering.

Nutildah is a proven willing scam facilitator for pay who tries to delete the evidence and red tag his whistleblowers, oh yeah who doesnt want to wear a sig. 

A mish mash of weird ideas being splattered everywhere by some newbie who does not know anything of the history of members here or who does but still wants to support scammers.

Take your slobbering elsewhere Roobet.

[amishmanish]

Considering your trust inclusions list I don't expect TS should take any tips from you.
Stacked full of greedy self serving scammer supporters and scammers.

Let TS consider what he considers. Its your "opinion" that those in my trust list are greedy scammers. Similarly, in my opinion, the people i am asking TS to reconsider are greedy scammers.

And how are you getting along with that home work i set you?

Have you finished fully researching the putrid scamming scum yet?

There is not one member I oppose that is not a proven dirt bag.

You are so confident and troll these people incessantly because you seem to have been harmed some way by these people. You hate them personally or something. I don't know. You have been doing this from your CryptoHunter, TOAA days (the resemblance is unmistakable, i must say). I saw that the "extortion scam" that every one loves to talk about was the first one where this whole thing erupted between Lauda and others. TS also did not agree on the way it was settled. There is evidence that it wasn't done for scamming. Infact, the person it was intended for (zeroaxl, right?) himself said that no harm was done. Theymos got involved and lead to Lauda being removed from Mod/ Staff position. Lauda and a few others did over-exert their authority on the forum going so far as trying to be real-world sleuths and catch him for some "actual crimes" they thought he committed (including an exchange hack). This was the general over-zealous stretching of authority by Lauda. And, I agree that Vod also seems to do that quite a bit.

Yet, for someone like me who has only came to the forum in 2017 amid that crazy ICO bubble, I have seen that people like Lauda have been a net positive. I mean there was nobody else banning spammers and scammers so seriously till it became a forum hobby for merit-earning for a lot of people. That is why i trust their judgement. That Darkcoin conspiracy doesn't cut it. From the posts i can see that she said in the beginning that there was no instamine in the sense that "People with Linux could still mine". It ended up that only a few people had that capability at the time so ended up mining most of it. CH was particularly hurt on this because he indeed missed out because he was on Windows maybe.

An instamine would be one that automatically grants the founders lot of initial coins before a miner or any sort of hardware is out. it doesn't seem to be an instamine in that sense. 4 years later, Lauda seems to have changed her mind on a lot of Alts and while Alt-bashing she referred to it as an "Instamine scam". By that time, the ICO scams had all blown up pretty badly and the definitions for a lot of things changed. The hopeful brashness towards alts in 2014 had been replaced by a general consensus that they were mostly scams by devs looking to capitalize and exit scam. In 2014, people on the forum knowing and able to mine would not be called an instamine. By 2017-18, when Lauda made that statement, people had been making up ICO projects only on Telegram and ANN threads and just giving themselves the inital lots. That phrase "Instamine scam" covered a lot of things. The opposition to it not being an "instamine" in 2014 is technical, back when crypto was still mostly technical and had not blown up to the general public yet.

Lol at the conspiracy theories.

Stfu debunk the conspiracy or quit your scammer supporting slobbering.

I am not talking about only the conspiracy theories they propagate about DT-1. Yet, from DarkStar_ saying that he did not know of the "trust inclusion" issue, it is clear that him not choosing Turkish posters has nothing to do with DT-1 conspiracy to corner all "juicy campaigns" etc. That is just ridiculous.
You seem to be only interested in the forum drama. I am also interested in Bitcoin. What do YOU make of all that bullshit about BCH, BSV, Blockstream conspiracy that those people are peddling in their threads?? Isn't this forum about bitcoin?? Its not about some scammer alt-coin. Members who aim to be respectable representatives of the community ought not be doing this just for promoting whatever scam-alt they think will give them most returns in the hopes of "flippening" or whatever peddled by Ver, Jihan, faketoshi. Forum drama aside, What is your opinion on that?

A mish mash of weird ideas being splattered everywhere by some newbie who does not know anything of the history of members here or who does but still wants to support scammers.

Take your slobbering elsewhere Roobet.

Mr. Jones, You are one of the few people in this forum who cannot blame anybody for "mish mash of weird ideas" and "slobbering". At least try to appreciate the effort it takes to get through your posts man.

[nutildah]

You strike me as an eloquent writer and I enjoy reading your posts, and because your talents are better suited in more productive discussions, I advise you to stop responding to the forum's biggest troll. You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll. Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Frankly nobody understands why he hasn't been banned yet as he contributes nothing worthwhile to the forum and is obviously here just to troll, but meanwhile there's no point in expending energy on him. It took me a while to stop as well because of his continuous attacks me. Only after I stopped caring did I realize that nobody else cares about what he has to say either.

[IconFirm]

You strike me as an eloquent writer and I enjoy reading your posts, and because your talents are better suited in more productive discussions, I advise you to stop responding to the forum's biggest troll. You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll. Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Frankly nobody understands why he hasn't been banned yet as he contributes nothing worthwhile to the forum and is obviously here just to troll, but meanwhile there's no point in expending energy on him. It took me a while to stop as well because of his continuous attacks me. Only after I stopped caring did I realize that nobody else cares about what he has to say either.

I got tired of seeing his toxic posts all over the forum some time ago, even the ignore button doesn't cut it anymore because everyone keeps quoting him - please stop doing that everyone!....lol

[bonesjonesreturns]

Considering your trust inclusions list I don't expect TS should take any tips from you.
Stacked full of greedy self serving scammer supporters and scammers.

Let TS consider what he considers. Its your "opinion" that those in my trust list are greedy scammers. Similarly, in my opinion, the people i am asking TS to reconsider are greedy scammers.

And how are you getting along with that home work i set you?

Have you finished fully researching the putrid scamming scum yet?

There is not one member I oppose that is not a proven dirt bag.

You are so confident and troll these people incessantly because you seem to have been harmed some way by these people. You hate them personally or something. I don't know. You have been doing this from your CryptoHunter, TOAA days (the resemblance is unmistakable, i must say). I saw that the "extortion scam" that every one loves to talk about was the first one where this whole thing erupted between Lauda and others. TS also did not agree on the way it was settled. There is evidence that it wasn't done for scamming. Infact, the person it was intended for (zeroaxl, right?) himself said that no harm was done. Theymos got involved and lead to Lauda being removed from Mod/ Staff position. Lauda and a few others did over-exert their authority on the forum going so far as trying to be real-world sleuths and catch him for some "actual crimes" they thought he committed (including an exchange hack). This was the general over-zealous stretching of authority by Lauda. And, I agree that Vod also seems to do that quite a bit.

Yet, for someone like me who has only came to the forum in 2017 amid that crazy ICO bubble, I have seen that people like Lauda have been a net positive. I mean there was nobody else banning spammers and scammers so seriously till it became a forum hobby for merit-earning for a lot of people. That is why i trust their judgement. That Darkcoin conspiracy doesn't cut it. From the posts i can see that she said in the beginning that there was no instamine in the sense that "People with Linux could still mine". It ended up that only a few people had that capability at the time so ended up mining most of it. CH was particularly hurt on this because he indeed missed out because he was on Windows maybe.

An instamine would be one that automatically grants the founders lot of initial coins before a miner or any sort of hardware is out. it doesn't seem to be an instamine in that sense. 4 years later, Lauda seems to have changed her mind on a lot of Alts and while Alt-bashing she referred to it as an "Instamine scam". By that time, the ICO scams had all blown up pretty badly and the definitions for a lot of things changed. The hopeful brashness towards alts in 2014 had been replaced by a general consensus that they were mostly scams by devs looking to capitalize and exit scam. In 2014, people on the forum knowing and able to mine would not be called an instamine. By 2017-18, when Lauda made that statement, people had been making up ICO projects only on Telegram and ANN threads and just giving themselves the inital lots. That phrase "Instamine scam" covered a lot of things. The opposition to it not being an "instamine" in 2014 is technical, back when crypto was still mostly technical and had not blown up to the general public yet.

Lol at the conspiracy theories.

Stfu debunk the conspiracy or quit your scammer supporting slobbering.

I am not talking about only the conspiracy theories they propagate about DT-1. Yet, from DarkStar_ saying that he did not know of the "trust inclusion" issue, it is clear that him not choosing Turkish posters has nothing to do with DT-1 conspiracy to corner all "juicy campaigns" etc. That is just ridiculous.
You seem to be only interested in the forum drama. I am also interested in Bitcoin. What do YOU make of all that bullshit about BCH, BSV, Blockstream conspiracy that those people are peddling in their threads?? Isn't this forum about bitcoin?? Its not about some scammer alt-coin. Members who aim to be respectable representatives of the community ought not be doing this just for promoting whatever scam-alt they think will give them most returns in the hopes of "flippening" or whatever peddled by Ver, Jihan, faketoshi. Forum drama aside, What is your opinion on that?

A mish mash of weird ideas being splattered everywhere by some newbie who does not know anything of the history of members here or who does but still wants to support scammers.

Take your slobbering elsewhere Roobet.

Mr. Jones, You are one of the few people in this forum who cannot blame anybody for "mish mash of weird ideas" and "slobbering". At least try to appreciate the effort it takes to get through your posts man.

More lies and irrelevant speculation.

Please do the home work again.

Lauda is a proven scammer telling impossible lies.

NOBODY COULD MINE EXCEPT THE DEV TEAM ON LAUNCH.

Stop lying

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!

So lauda claiming and maintaining the claim to dupe investors for months

That he was on the launch so could confirm there was no instamine is an impossible lie.
Totally confirmed by the launch analysis and admitted by the dev team. On release nobody could mine except the developers.
Even if that were not true ( which it was) it could still and would still have been an instamine

He is telling a lie that is impossible.

Now stop telling lies and supporting scammers.

Lol at red tagging some whack a mole shitty 2 bit scammers whilst pushing the biggest scams

Lauda even calls it a premined scam when he has conveniently dumped his bags.

Newbies don't know shit.  Amishmash of misleading bogus scammer defending crap.

Lol at selectively busting 2 bit whack a mole scammers while pushing huge scams and extorting people and giving red tags to people for saying they will encourage people to review his history here.
Net positive lol

Anytime supporting scammers directly were I can find documented evidence are going to need be avoided by sponsors
If you want to sponsor members with documented conclusive proof of scamming or direct scammer supporting expect the truth to be exposed regularly. Campaign managers say they want trustworthy members

Well then these campaign managers better do their research.

If you want to sponsor scammers, or direct scammer facilitators and protectors expect the truth to be told

Strike all lies and misinformation from a mishmash I gave him the links directly to the truth and he comes back telling lies.
If I see him repeating these lies again then I must assume this is direct and undeniable scammer supporting.  

I also expect him and all chipmixer sponsored members to take the required action they should when dealing with any proven scammers
Those chipmixer sponsored members scammer facilitating and depriving honest members of valuable scammer warnings will be called out regularly and truthfully for the scammer facilitating untrustworthy and highly dangerous scum they are.

[amishmanish]

--snip-- You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll.

I am starting to get that this is what he is doing. He contributes nothing except repeating the same old points and calling everyone names. His writing style clearly shows that he claims to be far more informed than he really is. He has no idea of "difference of opinion" about people that will be inherent in the forum like this. He clearly is trolling just for the fun of it, repeating himself condescendingly.

Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Seriously I am done too. He calls my responses as "Lies and speculation", fuck you bonesjones, you seem like someone who has gone off the rail for a long time.  Your hero CH himself was arguing in one of those threads that people on Windows should have been able to mine too. Then the others replied along the line that "If you are in crypto, you should know linux". At the same thread that you quote, there are plenty of people who are spreading FUD, and others replying to it who are talking about developers deserving some initial bonus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it. There is so much more to that story than just the narrative that you want to push. There are posts by people happy that they stumbled across it. There is an opposing group who thinks it was all planned. At the end, That XCOIN, DRK, DASH thing has the same story like so many other initial cryptocurrencies. A lot of people who won big, a lot of people who regret that they lost. Seriously, get over your bitterness about whatever happened to you. Try to be constructive and not be an arrogant, self-repeating asshole. You also don't reply to my questions on people spreading conspiracy theories at the Turkish local. You just keep repeating your own story and insulting others while throwing in more and more of old posts that agree to your own viewpoint. I took the time to read those posts that you quote as proofs. They turn out to be one side of the story and all depends on how one sees it. Yet, you want people to see it just the way YOU see it. Okay Mr. bonesjones, we are done here.

I got tired of seeing his toxic posts all over the forum some time ago, even the ignore button doesn't cut it anymore because everyone keeps quoting him - please stop doing that everyone!....lol

Yeah man. I think this is what feeding a troll is. My bad. He keeps claiming about how he is right about everything and insults anyone who doesn't agree to his viewpoint or opinion. He is just salty that people at the forum have done much better than him. Infact, most of the people who were here at 2014 or so, if they were any good at programming etc, most of them ran away with one or the other Alt and turned into those Altcoin businessmen and millionaires. Even the most idiotic of people from back then ended up doing something out of sheer luck. Bonesjones seems to be on of those people who completely missed out. That is why now he turns all his negativity towards this forum and some people here. Anyone who opposes him becomes a "signature spammer", "Roobet", "Bot" or whatever. With all the time he had behind him and spent on this forum, he could have done something constructive. I am done trying to argue with him.

[bonesjonesreturns]

--snip-- You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll.

I am starting to get that this is what he is doing. He contributes nothing except repeating the same old points and calling everyone names. His writing style clearly shows that he claims to be far more informed than he really is. He has no idea of "difference of opinion" about people that will be inherent in the forum like this. He clearly is trolling just for the fun of it, repeating himself condescendingly.

Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Seriously I am done too. He calls my responses as "Lies and speculation", fuck you bonesjones, you seem like someone who has gone off the rail for a long time.  Your hero CH himself was arguing in one of those threads that people on Windows should have been able to mine too. Then the others replied along the line that "If you are in crypto, you should know linux". At the same thread that you quote, there are plenty of people who are spreading FUD, and others replying to it who are talking about developers deserving some initial bonus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it. There is so much more to that story than just the narrative that you want to push. There are posts by people happy that they stumbled across it. There is an opposing group who thinks it was all planned. At the end, That XCOIN, DRK, DASH thing has the same story like so many other initial cryptocurrencies. A lot of people who won big, a lot of people who regret that they lost. Seriously, get over your bitterness about whatever happened to you. Try to be constructive and not be an arrogant, self-repeating asshole. You also don't reply to my questions on people spreading conspiracy theories at the Turkish local. You just keep repeating your own story and insulting others while throwing in more and more of old posts that agree to your own viewpoint. I took the time to read those posts that you quote as proofs. They turn out to be one side of the story and all depends on how one sees it. Yet, you want people to see it just the way YOU see it. Okay Mr. bonesjones, we are done here.

I got tired of seeing his toxic posts all over the forum some time ago, even the ignore button doesn't cut it anymore because everyone keeps quoting him - please stop doing that everyone!....lol

Yeah man. I think this is what feeding a troll is. My bad. He keeps claiming about how he is right about everything and insults anyone who doesn't agree to his viewpoint or opinion. He is just salty that people at the forum have done much better than him. Infact, most of the people who were here at 2014 or so, if they were any good at programming etc, most of them ran away with one or the other Alt and turned into those Altcoin businessmen and millionaires. Even the most idiotic of people from back then ended up doing something out of sheer luck. Bonesjones seems to be on of those people who completely missed out. That is why now he turns all his negativity towards this forum and some people here. Anyone who opposes him becomes a "signature spammer", "Roobet", "Bot" or whatever. With all the time he had behind him and spent on this forum, he could have done something constructive. I am done trying to argue with him.

God this guy is thick as shit. Still a mishmash of lies and misleading shit.

1. I just provided evidence NOBODY EXCEPT THE DEVS COULD MINE AT LAUNCH
Have another read. This was confirmed by the devs who offered a 2 000 000 000 usd equivalent compensation offer
You stupid lying asshole.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

This is now becoming deliberate and willful scammers supporting and spreading lies.

I will be reminding Roobet not to sponsor those spreading lies.

The rest of your crap quoting a proven willing scam facilitator for pay nutildah sponsored by fortunejack is hilarious.

You can read about that willing scam facilitator for pay here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.20

It is an impossible lie that lauda told that he was on the launch and could confirm no instamine happened.

Lol at the undeniable truth being trolling

Dont repeat your lies again. Those have long since been debunked conclusively

Lol at quoting proven willing scam facilitators.

Providing incontrovertible proof = trolling

What a scammer supporter. Is Roobet aware the are sponsoring members spreading lies to protect scammers ?

Chipmixer is also sponsoring many of these types. They must be warned about each one.

These are the exact types of lies .any chipmixer sponsored scum are promugating to protect and facilitate scammers.

Quoting proven scammers and their pals crying about trolling when they have been unable to debunk a single point made ever does not bolster your lies.

Debunk the points or accept them as true. Where did this a mish mash of scammer supporting lies comes from ? All of a sudden  a super keen lauda fan appears when lauda is getting busted hard?