🔥 FAKE: Defamation At Its Worst During Chipmixer Applications 🔥

[JollyGood]

So one member of the merit abuse and fake trust gang that cheated its way to DT1 has opened a self-moderated thread complaining about anything and everything EXCEPT their own merit abuse and fake trust circle. It coincided around the time the ChipMixer signature campaign has opened as slots are available, probably designed specifically for Vispilio to play the victim.

Here is the link to the self-moderated thread set up by Vispilio where he has deleted my post and at least one more from another user because they challenged his warped imagination and selective-memory:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247288.0

Here is the post I made that hurt him so much that he deleted it. He created the self-moderated thread with the specific aim of trying to control the narrative but he cannot control this forum or the members within it.

For crying out loud.... this group of several Turkish merit abuse and fake trust circle participants should really stop all this drama and accept they were caught out and exposed, they will never have any real support from genuine DT members.

I just had to unblock the OP to read what the latest accusation and drama was all about and I for one am already tired of reading their trash nit-picking posts. Their desperation of trying to jump in to DT was exposed a very long time ago and they should stop behaving in such a counter-productive manner as it should have been stopped and is long over-due.

As for Lauda, I cannot comment further as I do not know the background information to the alleged post but if I have time I might look in to it to understand further but it cannot negate this whole victim crying nonsense by the OP and his several buddies and it needs to stop.

Open Letter to @theymos and @Darkstar_,

No surprise to see users with highly questionable backgrounds and associations with other merit abuse and fake circle participants such as Blacknavy giving 10 merits to that trash OP. It was fairly obvious equally obnoxious users such as peloso would also be sniffing around a thread posting propaganda along with others in that thread.





Is it time for DT1 users to finally start adding these types of users to their distrust list en masse just to negate their ulterior motives?

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[wolwoo]

when yobit campaign: these are scammer (except bounty manager)
When chipmixer's signature is: Turks out
Tell @theymos to ban the all Turks

[Blacknavy]

giving 10 merits to that trash OP

"merit abuse and fake circle participants such as Blacknavy"

such as.. you who can do everything to get $100 bucks in a week.

Here is the real trash.

[JollyGood]

When will you and your merit abuse gang and fake trust circle decide to ditch playing the racist card when all else has failed? It is getting tiresome reading the same trash from you and your gang who are hurt they failed to get to DT1 by manipulation and stay there long term.

when yobit campaign: these are scammer (except bounty manager)
When chipmixer's signature is: Turks out
Tell @theymos to ban the all Turks

[wolwoo]

When will you and your merit abuse gang and fake trust circle decide to ditch playing the racist card when all else has failed? It is getting tiresome reading the same trash from you and your gang who are hurt they failed to get to DT1 by manipulation and stay there long term.

when yobit campaign: these are scammer (except bounty manager)
When chipmixer's signature is: Turks out
Tell @theymos to ban the all Turks

I never said "I was superior because I was Turkish"
But since I am Turkish, I would not allow it to be insulted.

[JollyGood]

Since you are Turkish why not feel insulted that a handful fellow members of the Turkish community are behaving in a low-level manner trying to cheat their way on to DT1 long term? Is it because you are a part of that merit abuse and fake trust circle?

I never said "I was superior because I was Turkish"
But since I am Turkish, I would not allow it to be insulted.

[wolwoo]

Since you are Turkish why not feel insulted that a handful fellow members of the Turkish community are behaving in a low-level manner trying to cheat their way on to DT1 long term?

I never said "I was superior because I was Turkish"
But since I am Turkish, I would not allow it to be insulted.

it's your slander
you have campaigns
DT is yours
you have merit (but Blacknavy gave 10 merits)
briefly the forum is in your hands

[TECSHARE]

More 3 ring circuses from the clown car accusing everyone of exactly what they themselves are guilty of.

[Lauda]

As for Lauda, I cannot comment further as I do not know the background information to the alleged post but if I have time I might look in to it to understand further but it cannot negate this whole victim crying nonsense by the OP and his several buddies and it needs to stop.

Is it time for DT1 users to finally start adding these types of users to their distrust list en masse just to negate their ulterior motives?

The post (omitted obviously) starts here:

Make sure that no applicant is part of the Turkish baboons. Reference link here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247155.msg54398212#msg54398212. I'll pay close attention to the choices.

This links to wolwoo, and clearly, as always, refers to only gang-related members and abusers from the Turkish section aka Turkish baboons or monkeys (whichever you prefer).

This is how little the fake DT cult thinks of you @Darkstar_, toxic terrorists like ~lauda and ~jollygood believe you are a timid guy whose strings they can pull because they deceived you into rejecting superior highly intellectual candidates time and again in the past with their black propaganda...

Monkey go back to your monkey cave and your other fellow Turkish monkeys. More than 90 IQ and civil behaviour is required for joining here, neither of which you idiots are able to display. This happens when you suffer from a case of retardation. I will personally contact ChipMixer if anybody from your gang is employed, in addition to tagging the member who got employed.

~~~

the toxic terrorist has finally gone completely insane, someone should contact your family members and request an intervention,

you need help immediately baby...

Until my last breath forget FortuneJack, and unless DarkStar_ and ChipMixer have completely lost their minds, you can forget about ChipMixer too. That takes the two best campaigns out right away. Maybe it is time for a new rule set for all signature campaigns: Turkish section participants not allowed. Would you like that, monkey?

Of course the evil people would try to spin this as me being racist against something that isn't even a race of which I may be part of even for all the know. Apparently I am also a terrorist, maybe I should shout those 2 famous words. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bonesjonesreturns]

Jollygoodassmuncher is here slobbering away as laudas new bitch.

When did this newbie fake scam hunter and scammer supporter get so horny for lauda?

Oh maybe when lauda was going to work for a fee with scammers jollygood busted?

The reader should view jollygood as lauda.

The clear issue here is extortion and blackmail. Lauda is known for his extortion and blackmailing and trust abuse.

The forum can not allow people to use red tags in this way.

You can not say that if a members applies to work with chipmixer you will red trust them.

That is completely unacceptable.

People saying darkstar can do what he wants ?? That does not matter. He can not stop lauda trust abusing the member. This is a clear threat to deter members from applying for a legit sig campaign.

Take it to meta board and keep on doing so until we get the trust abusing scum and all of his supporters off of DT.

lauda just keeps on gifting us these gems.

Jollygood is not a racist he would eat black ass, white ass, whatever ass lauda told him to eat.
Probably is just a other lauda alt. Him and chuckbuck are the new lauda butt munchers from nowhere.

~ them all

[Lauda]

The clear issue here is extortion and blackmail.

Who exactly am I blackmailing and where are all the gains I make from this?

[JollyGood]

Excellent post Lauda, thank you.

Thank you for clarifying the allegations this group of merit abuse and fake trust circle have made against you as soon as the ChipMixer campaign slot re-opened.

The merit abuse and fake trust circle group should be ashamed of themselves.

As for Lauda, I cannot comment further as I do not know the background information to the alleged post but if I have time I might look in to it to understand further but it cannot negate this whole victim crying nonsense by the OP and his several buddies and it needs to stop.

Is it time for DT1 users to finally start adding these types of users to their distrust list en masse just to negate their ulterior motives?

The post (omitted obviously) starts here:

Make sure that no applicant is part of the Turkish baboons. Reference link here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247155.msg54398212#msg54398212. I'll pay close attention to the choices.

This links to wolwoo, and clearly, as always, refers to only gang-related members and abusers from the Turkish section aka Turkish baboons or monkeys (whichever you prefer).

This is how little the fake DT cult thinks of you @Darkstar_, toxic terrorists like ~lauda and ~jollygood believe you are a timid guy whose strings they can pull because they deceived you into rejecting superior highly intellectual candidates time and again in the past with their black propaganda...

Monkey go back to your monkey cave and your other fellow Turkish monkeys. More than 90 IQ and civil behaviour is required for joining here, neither of which you idiots are able to display. This happens when you suffer from a case of retardation. I will personally contact ChipMixer if anybody from your gang is employed, in addition to tagging the member who got employed.

~~~

the toxic terrorist has finally gone completely insane, someone should contact your family members and request an intervention,

you need help immediately baby...

Until my last breath forget FortuneJack, and unless DarkStar_ and ChipMixer have completely lost their minds, you can forget about ChipMixer too. That takes the two best campaigns out right away. Maybe it is time for a new rule set for all signature campaigns: Turkish section participants not allowed. Would you like that, monkey?

Of course the evil people would try to spin this as me being racist against something that isn't even a race of which I may be part of even for all the know. Apparently I am also a terrorist, maybe I should shout those 2 famous words. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bonesjonesreturns]

Excellent post Lauda, thank you.

Thank you for clarifying the allegations this group of merit abuse and fake trust circle have made against you as soon as the ChipMixer campaign slot re-opened.

The merit abuse and fake trust circle group should be ashamed of themselves.

As for Lauda, I cannot comment further as I do not know the background information to the alleged post but if I have time I might look in to it to understand further but it cannot negate this whole victim crying nonsense by the OP and his several buddies and it needs to stop.

Is it time for DT1 users to finally start adding these types of users to their distrust list en masse just to negate their ulterior motives?

The post (omitted obviously) starts here:

Make sure that no applicant is part of the Turkish baboons. Reference link here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247155.msg54398212#msg54398212. I'll pay close attention to the choices.

This links to wolwoo, and clearly, as always, refers to only gang-related members and abusers from the Turkish section aka Turkish baboons or monkeys (whichever you prefer).

This is how little the fake DT cult thinks of you @Darkstar_, toxic terrorists like ~lauda and ~jollygood believe you are a timid guy whose strings they can pull because they deceived you into rejecting superior highly intellectual candidates time and again in the past with their black propaganda...

Monkey go back to your monkey cave and your other fellow Turkish monkeys. More than 90 IQ and civil behaviour is required for joining here, neither of which you idiots are able to display. This happens when you suffer from a case of retardation. I will personally contact ChipMixer if anybody from your gang is employed, in addition to tagging the member who got employed.

~~~

the toxic terrorist has finally gone completely insane, someone should contact your family members and request an intervention,

you need help immediately baby...

Until my last breath forget FortuneJack, and unless DarkStar_ and ChipMixer have completely lost their minds, you can forget about ChipMixer too. That takes the two best campaigns out right away. Maybe it is time for a new rule set for all signature campaigns: Turkish section participants not allowed. Would you like that, monkey?

Of course the evil people would try to spin this as me being racist against something that isn't even a race of which I may be part of even for all the know. Apparently I am also a terrorist, maybe I should shout those 2 famous words. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lol says the fake scam hunter and lauda assmuncher.
Shut up noob scammer supporter.

You should be excluded a mnd given a flag and tag for supporting proven scammers.

Lauda is threatening to trust abuse members for working with legit projects.

You support that too.

Both of you should be tagged and flagged.

[Lauda]

Excellent post Lauda, thank you.

Thank you for clarifying the allegations this group of merit abuse and fake trust circle have made against you as soon as the ChipMixer campaign slot re-opened.

The merit abuse and fake trust circle group should be ashamed of themselves.

A post is simply that, a post. DarkStar_ may not even read it, I may not do anything about it. If you look at it more closely: I vaguely said if somebody is hired they may be tagged. Did I say anywhere they would be tagged for joining Chipmixer as the reference? No. Users here tend to exaggerate. It is precisely because these people are scared of somebody looking into them closely. Not a trait of somebody who has a clean or proven slate.

DarkStar_ would quickly turn to a fool were he to hire anyone related to this gang anyways, which I would not expect of him. So my post isn't even needed. Posting in a self-mod thread made by Vispilio is pointless. They are precisely there to skew the view of things. You weren't the first nor last to be censored from there.

Both of you should be tagged and flagged.

Unlike for you baboon, you can infinitely do both and it would not even put a dent in me.

[JollyGood]

A member of their buddies group Kalemder was in the Chipmixer campaign for a very short time before being removed.

DarkStar_ would quickly turn to a fool were he to hire anyone related to this gang anyways, which I would not expect of him. So my post isn't even needed. Posting in a self-mod thread made by Vispilio is pointless. They are precisely there to skew the view of things. You weren't the first nor last to be censored from there

[Lauda]

A member of their buddies group Kalemder was in the Chipmixer campaign for a very short time before being removed.

DarkStar_ would quickly turn to a fool were he to hire anyone related to this gang anyways, which I would not expect of him. So my post isn't even needed. Posting in a self-mod thread made by Vispilio is pointless. They are precisely there to skew the view of things. You weren't the first nor last to be censored from there

I am not sure at what point it was evident that Kalemder was part of the gang in relation to the time at which he got added there. Either way, the important thing is that DarkStar_ made the right call there. This became much more clear after it had happened rather than before.

[JollyGood]

They are a bunch of foul-mouthed individuals that throw profanities and play the race card as and when it suits their agenda. I am glad they were exposed as being part of a fake trust circle and merit abuse gang.

A member of their buddies group Kalemder was in the Chipmixer campaign for a very short time before being removed.

DarkStar_ would quickly turn to a fool were he to hire anyone related to this gang anyways, which I would not expect of him. So my post isn't even needed. Posting in a self-mod thread made by Vispilio is pointless. They are precisely there to skew the view of things. You weren't the first nor last to be censored from there

I am not sure at what point it was evident that Kalemder was part of the gang in relation to the time at which he got added there. Either way, the important thing is that DarkStar_ made the right call there. This became much more clear after it had happened rather than before.

[GazetaBitcoin]

It is very interesting to watch how the otoman hordes retaliate from time to time. At first I thought it was just wolwoo becoming delusional at each 1-2 months, but I was wrong. He takes an entire otoman baboons army along with him, for various events, mostly related to Trust system and ChipMixer campaign. They seem like a hive-mind, acting all at once. In an delusional manner, but as a hive-mind

All these remember me of the topic related to the war with Russians. Maybe this is what wolwoo and his friends are looking for?

[Lauda]

It is very interesting to watch how the otoman hordes retaliate from time to time. At first I thought it was just wolwoo becoming delusional at each 1-2 months, but I was wrong. He takes an entire otoman baboons army along with him, for various events, mostly related to Trust system and ChipMixer campaign. They seem like a hive-mind, acting all at once. In an delusional manner, but as a hive-mind

They are just pathetic greedy little liars. This goes back way before I have even used the word Turkish once in this forum. It goes back to when I kicked out all the shitposting scammers from Bitmixer, a big portion which were posting or used to post in the Turkish section at the time. Of course their section moderator EFS has not seen or reported a single abuse there.

All these remember me of the topic related to the war with Russians. Maybe this is what wolwoo and his friends are looking for?

If they were to gang up with other abusers who post in the Russian section, such as peloso, Balthazar et. al. it would be an interesting collusion probably able to numerically outvote most senior DT1 members.

[TECSHARE]

it would be an interesting collusion probably able to numerically outvote most senior DT1 members.

This is exactly why you and your toadies attack them so vociferously. Not out of a public service, but because your little 3 ring circus network would be out on their asses.

[JollyGood]

Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?

It is very interesting to watch how the otoman hordes retaliate from time to time. At first I thought it was just wolwoo becoming delusional at each 1-2 months, but I was wrong. He takes an entire otoman baboons army along with him, for various events, mostly related to Trust system and ChipMixer campaign. They seem like a hive-mind, acting all at once. In an delusional manner, but as a hive-mind

All these remember me of the topic related to the war with Russians. Maybe this is what wolwoo and his friends are looking for?

[GazetaBitcoin]

Maybe they are trying to rebuild the great otoman empire. As a joke, all their struggle remembers me of the name of this movie (the part with bold): "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan"

Adapted to the context, it would be like this: Wolwoo et al: Financial Learnings of BitcoinTalk for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Turkey.

P.S.: if you didn't watch that movie, I recomend you to do so - it is very, very funny.

[LoyceV]

Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?

Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.

He wrote the Trust System User's Guide. The information he gives in the Turkish section is very valuable. A knowledgeable member.

Lol

DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.

[wolwoo]

Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?

Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.

He wrote the Trust System User's Guide. The information he gives in the Turkish section is very valuable. A knowledgeable member.

Lol

DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.

Who are you Loycev? Ha
Fuck if you don't like it
I left you a nice comment

[Lauda]

Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?

Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.

He wrote the Trust System User's Guide. The information he gives in the Turkish section is very valuable. A knowledgeable member.

Lol

DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.

You just received some nice paint too:

Untrusted feedback
These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.

User   Date   Reference   Comments
wolwoo   2020-05-12   Reference   The arrogant racist of the forum

But I am the one giving false ratings here.

[LoyceV]

Who are you Loycev? Ha
Fuck if you don't like it
I left you a nice comment

Quoting for reference Please read LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (or ⚡ Yeni Başlayanlar İçin ⚡ Trust Sistemi Kullanım Kılavuzu) (which you've Merited already). Or maybe theymos' post on intent on the reputation board. I'll leave you a neutral tag, because unlike yours, my ratings mean something:

Be the bigger man!
With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

Just 2 days ago, you left this feedback:

explicitly abuses the trust system

Double standards much?

You just received some nice paint too:

Untrusted feedback
These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.

User   Date   Reference   Comments
wolwoo   2020-05-12   Reference   The arrogant racist of the forum

The word "racist" has lost it's meaning due to all snowflakes calling everyone racist nowadays.
I love how he instantly proves my point by leaving fake negative feedback. He must be really angry behind his keyboard
He's at DT1 (-10) now. Shall I make him one of those?
Or just one of those:

[wolwoo]

If you don't think there is a world outside of you, you are wrong. Not everyone has to think like you, not everyone has to follow your handbook
Stop questioning people like a judge because you're not a judge

You act as you wish. You do not account. Everything you do is true. You teach us civilization. You you you you ...
We? Unimportant detail
It is a crime for us to attempt bountye
Feedback crime
DT1 is forbidden
Merit eehh
Even if we skip rank, you immediately give negative and make the account unusable. In short, say "fuck off" or "go shit the corner and die".

You don't have the ability to empathize.
You are like a robot, all the beauty of the forum is lost
Your job is to discuss your strength, mock, slander, insult, ban, flag, negatif bla bla bla...

A nice compliment, a sincere "hello", good wishes ...we longed for them..
It is enough

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

😂 You are really idiots and The arrogant racist of the forum

Lauda is also racist but not at least arrogant

[suchmoon]

The arrogant racist of the forum

The more you use that word the more obvious it is that you don't know what it means. You're being criticized for your misuse of the trust system. And nothing is really "forbidden" or a "crime", some users just don't trust you and trust is something you have to earn, not demand from others.

[marlboroza]

Is it time for DT1 users to finally start adding these types of users to their distrust list en masse just to negate their ulterior motives?

I completely agree with you, some of these things should have been resolved months ago. I am glad that more and more users are becoming aware of this problem.

The more you use that word the more obvious it is that you don't know what it means. You're being criticized for your misuse of the trust system. And nothing is really "forbidden" or a "crime", some users just don't trust you and trust is something you have to earn, not demand from others.

I don't think wolwoo see it that way, he is more like "I will abuse trust and if someone calls me out I will just go full retard with racist/mafia/terrorist/insert any other victim card".

You are like a robot

You need to update that negative to "arrogant robot racist of the forum" or something like "artificially intelligent racist of the forum".

[GazetaBitcoin]

Wolwoo is in frenzy this time, fighting at the same time with The Clowns Cartel, The Dalton Gang, The Thick-Skinned Gang and Cult of Lauda

Nothing good (for him) will come after such lèse-majesté actions. Obviously , I don't expect from him to understand what "lèse-majesté" means, nor what he's doing here.

[JollyGood]

Thanks for the examples you gave below.

I have no idea how they same group of merit abuse and fake trust circle participants can just keep posting in the forum knowing full and well they have been outed and exposed as nothing more than just cheats.

They seem to pick out users they disagree with then attack in their droves. The whole gang attack the user at once like a hive headed by several of the regular users with questionable track records from the Turkish language board.

Handing out thank you trust and passing around merit in collusion is something that drives their ambitions and ulterior motives, the more corrupt users we tag the better it will be for the forum in the long term.

Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?

Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.

He wrote the Trust System User's Guide. The information he gives in the Turkish section is very valuable. A knowledgeable member.

Lol

DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.

[wolwoo]

Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?

Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.

He wrote the Trust System User's Guide. The information he gives in the Turkish section is very valuable. A knowledgeable member.

Lol

http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h/2715989.html

Tom also trusted you Turkish users fall in love with their executioner for a reason
You have no right to interfere with anyone's choices NEVER

DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.

Will there be a local merit application? If you want we can go out, you go on!

Wolwoo is in frenzy this time, fighting at the same time with The Clowns Cartel, The Dalton Gang, The Thick-Skinned Gang and Cult of Lauda

Nothing good (for him) will come after such lèse-majesté actions. Obviously , I don't expect from him to understand what "lèse-majesté" means, nor what he's doing here.

"a crime against the king, the emperor, or any other sacred ruler. "in the hurt majesty""

Who is the emperor here? Is Loycev, a member?

[JollyGood]

This deserves to be posted here because it highlights important issues:

So much drama because Visipilio has an imagined reality where if it was not for JollyGood and Lauda, there would only be Turkish members in the ChipMixer campaign. No matter how much you try to wrap your intentions in words of unity. justice. nationalism etc etc., it is amply clear to anyone who follows your posts since the Yobit days that you think about money above all. Even in your local threads, you guys keep talking about the Fortune Jack campaign and Chipmixer campaign.

You seem to think that everyone's aim here at the forum is to get into the ChipMixer campaign. You also seem to think that a host of other local users that were chosen ended up there because of help from some "DT clique" or something. You go on to blame LoyceV, suchmoon and everyone.

I posted on your local thread and was apparently referred to as "another tail account" or something. You are infecting the whole Turkish community with this imagined paranoia as well as calls to nationalism etc. All this for the imagined insults and imagined entitlement to the "Lucrative signature bounties" or whatever you call these.

Edit: Why do you keep insisting that some meritocratic members are being left out of the CM campaign because of someone else's intervention. Most of the old members in that campaign have already been there for a long time. Several members from other nationalities find place in the long running campaigns. Why do you insist that someone is trying to keep Turkish members out of these?

[amishmanish]

This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Transalation:
"Since I added the user Techshare for a short time, lauk and his team gave me negative. At the end of the intense debate about it last month, Theymos wrote a long statement. It was a very political, round statement."

Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?

Personally, I do not intend to engage in these unnecessary discussions. Frankly, I am not someone who actively uses the global part of the forum. But it's hard to believe that what's described here and what looks like some "coincidence" is innocent. I just tried to help you about your question.

As apparent here, I asked him and quite a few people who understand Turkish themselves would say that "it does not seem a coincidence"

2. NEGGING OF VISIPILIO
The most important player in this whole saga is Visipilio who got negged by Jollygood and removed from DT1. He seems to have an intense desire to wield influence over the Turkish Local. He has been spited since he got removed from DT-1 after Jollygood questioned his moral/ ethical stand to support Yobit despite there scamming ways. He believes that he was right there. I think he should have just settled this issue with Jollygood as nobody elese left him a trust rating based on that.

But he being the megalomaniac that he is, he went on to start a "awareness campaign" against ChipMixer and DarkStar not selecting him. His underlying premises is that everyone's primary goal in this forum now is to get hold of some "lucrative bounties and signature campaign". His theory says that DT-1 is manipulating the campaign so only there friends can get into CM. The plenty of evidence in the form of recent local members from Indonesian and Filipino boards don't make a difference to him because in his mind, he is a great poster and DT-1 is afraid of him. See him "educating" me here:

...
Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.

That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc.
...

just for your own education I will respond 1 time to your brainwashed indoctrination,

I was actually congratulated by many people in private for my intellectual comments regarding the entire Yobit affair, go to that accusation thread and read them again, I'm almost certain you also will agree with most of my points.

And yet, at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected (or at the very least always top rival  in their perception because of the outstanding quality of my messages and my independent tone in general)...

So please don't try to rewrite history, when the cases of corruption and defamation have been already discussed and proven beyond a shadow of doubt multiple times.

I don't know who are these users who "privately congratulated" him for winning the "Yobit debate". Thanks for feeding his ego. I will repeat again that he could easily have gotten himself out of that whole Yobit thing. Yet, his over-confidence and egoistical tendencies led him to dig a deeper grave as he started rallying against businesses here.

3. SCAM PROMOTERS AND PRESENT CONCERN OF TURKISH MEMBERS]
The less said about others like the unhinged wolwoo, the better. He is an old Turkish members who peddles shitcoins and Ponzi schemes there. The people in Turkish section are concerned and aware that lot of scams are going on there and they want to control them too.

tyorumunuz için teşekkür ederim. görmezden geldiğiniz bir kısım var: burada bulunan üyeler de scam projeleri ortaya çıkarmak için uğraşıyor, insanlara bilgiler veriyor. bu işi tek bir kişi yapmıyor. tamam, globaldeki gelişmelerden öğrenmiş olabiliriz ama bunu görmezden gelmeyin.

en basitinden sadece benim yazdığım 3-5 başlık:
--snip--
sadece benim yazdıklarımdan birkaçı. diğer türk arkadaşların yazdıklarına da bakabilirsiniz. ülkemizde bulunan bir sürü dolandırıcı borsa var. bunlar hakkında hanginiz bu topluluğu bilgilendirdiniz?

mesela merit ticareti yapıyorlar diyorlar. ben türkçe yazdığım için bana kim merit verebilir? globalden kaç kişi benim yazıma baktı translate ile? ciddi olarak soruyorum buna cevap verebilir misiniz? tefas fonları: 16 adet merit almış ve burada yazan yazı türkiye dışından birisini ilgilendirmiyor. bu konuya başka kim merit verebilir?
bakın türkiye'de kripto para ile ilgili çok fazla dolandırıcılık olayları oluyor. özellikle ponzi/piramit kazanç yöntemi ile her gün birisi ortaya çıkıyor. bu kişilere karşı burada kim yazmalı? ben bıktım artık bu dt olayından. herkes beni distrust listesine eklesin.


Translation:
Thank you for your comment. There is a part that you ignore: the members here are also trying to create scam projects, giving information to people. not a single person does this job. ok, we might have learned from global developments, but don't ignore it.

simply the 3-5 titles I wrote:
--snip--

just a few of my writings. You can also see what other Turkish friends have written. There are many fraudulent exchanges in our country. which of you have informed this community about them?

for example, they say they trade merit. Who can give me merit because I wrote in Turkish? How many people from the world have looked at my post with translate? I'm seriously asking, can you answer that? [Url = https: //bitcointalk.org/index.php? Topic = 5245542] tefas funds [/ url]: 16 received merit and do not care where someone from outside who write turkey. Who else can merit this issue?
See, there is too much money in the fraud-related crypto turkey. Especially with the ponzi / pyramid gain method, someone appears every day. Who should write here against these people? I'm tired of this dt event now. everybody add me to the distrust list.

There is justified concern there because people are being added to distrust lists after they added Visipilio or Wolwoo to their trust lists. The good turkish members seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place. On one side, there is these "wannabe representatives" who are spreading poison by asking them to rally "against the forum" and DT-1. People like Visipilio are like eloquent politicians who try to misguide people by creating false image of a "common enemy". In this case, DT-1 and Lauda. Lauda posted a comment with the phrase "Turkish Baboons" (which they shouldn't have) and this eloquent politician is milking it to the hilt. For Turkish users who use google translate, even a mention of these words is sufficient to think that this is against their pride or something. Most don't dig deep and see real motives as they implicitly trust the "older" members like Visipilio and wolwoo.

Particularly dangerous are some of these "older" members who after being caught, are actually trying to hide their wrongdoings behind Turkish identity. I think the post above by @gospodin sums up the condition well.

4. CHANGING TRACKS FROM NATIONAL IDENTITY TO CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Visipilio has been quick enough to realize that his "national identity" ruse is not working. He has quickly changed tracks to make it about DT-1 conspiracy now. He thinks he has found a useful ally in the form of bonesjonesreturns. Here is my deleted post from his self-moderated thread:

~~~ whitewashing, straw men & black propaganda galore as is typical from this NPC user... ~~~
 

Beyler bu troll'e cevap vermeye değmez aslında, biri emir vermiş git yolsuzlukları savun diye o da maaşlı eleman olarak görevini yapıyor,

@bonesjonesreturns aşağıda cevapların nirvanasını yapıştırmış zaten bu düzenbazların avukatına, oradan takip edebilirsiniz mevzuların aslını...
TRANSLATION:
Guys are not worth answering this troll, in fact, he is also working as a salaried employee so that someone has given orders to defend the corruption.

@bonesjonesreturns has pasted the nirvana of the answers below.

You want to portray "bonesjonesreturns", the earlier TOAA or cryptohunter troll as some sort of insightful user tells me your level of understanding. Despite, your very good english, you are a pretty bad apple, aren't you? You now want to make this about Blockstream conspiracy. Congratulations, you have passed all levels of being cuckoo.

You are not only envious and jealous but also untrustworthy. What happens in bitcoin is not guided simply by this forum. There is plenty of media out there. BTC has a 1 MB limit to ensure that it survives in the worst of cases. The way "actual money" should. If you are reading the blog from Faketoshi and are convinced by the likes of BSV and BCH, then that is again your problem my friend. You are welcome to put your money where your mouth is and stop worrying about BTC.

Blockstream is just one of the many companies that support bitcoin developers.A lot of the developers are still independent, including Greg Maxwell.
Also, I have replied to that idiot in the thread. Stop trying to misguide the Turkish community. You are trying to harm the forum as well as the BTC ecosystem just to get even for your trust rating?? Stop this madness.

This is the part where his propaganda has taken a new turn. The likes of him would love to have shitcoins all over this forum. Yet, As per his new theory,  Blockstream is conspiring with Bitcointalk forum and DT-1 so his precious alts (with which he wants to scam Turkish people) are kept away from this forum. Its quite clear why he says this. With BTC, the likes of him cannot make a fool out of the millions of new turkish users by pushing them into pump and dump schemes.
I summed up what Visipilio is doing in another of my deleted replies which i am reproducing here:

You are an untrustworthy, unworthy fake individual who chooses to destroy when he cannot profit from something. I shall not be answering to any of your self-righteous rants. You are on the same level as bonesjonesreturn, though way more eloquent.

This corruption and nepotism you speak of is in your imagination because you failed to benefit from the forum. People like you whose "morals and ethics" are driven by personal gain are often the first ones to justify their fuckups by saying stuff like "Vice and Virtue co-exist". Of course they do Visipilio. We all fuck up at times. When we do, we learn, apologize if applicable and move on. People like you instead go into this cycle of self-justification.

Your negative trust has lead you to following conclusions in an evolutionary manner:
1. People are anti-turkish
2. DT-1 is conspiring
3, DT-1 is controlling even Theymos
4. Bitcointalk is being controlled by Blockstream
5. Blockstream is paying DT-1 to keep things suitable for them

In your blind justifications of your actions and your refusal to own up to your own fuck-ups, you are trying to mislead an entire community where you seem to hold some sway. But believe me, You cannot fool All of the people All of the time.  They will eventually see you for who you are. I hope there is still a chance for you to redeem yourself.

I request you guys to go into this detail and please avoid any collateral damage. That only allows these bad actors to easily misguide the people there. I also request users like @mindrust @gospodin @koincik @BitcoinTurk to look into this so they can tackle the language better. I have been using google translate.

In view of this developing situation, I think it would be a good idea not to distrust the people in Turkish Local simply by association. Give them a chance to explain or at least see through this themselves that why the people like wolwoo, Visipilio etc are distrusted in global. Visipilio is deleting my posts from local where other members were interacting with me and were not following his propaganda.  Can't we have some education and discussion there instead of randomly negging everyone based on association??


PS: I am new to this drama and i know people may have tried taking the accommodating approach i am advocating that i maybe unaware of. Attitudes have hardened due to a few old Turkish members. Yet, there should be effort to identify the better people. It maybe that people are actually afraid of the likes of Visipilio and Wolwoo. Visipilio has not shied away from making physical threats against the linkes of @mindrust who tried to counter him at the local section.

Outsiders like me can only do so much. It is the people in Turkish local themselves who have to decide if they want to continue supporting these people who promote shitcoins, scams, ponzi schemes as well as conspiracy theories about this forum. This forum is about Bitcoin. If you think that you are not able to get rich from your altcoin, that is not the problem if this forum. That is just because those things don't have justified utility.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[GazetaBitcoin]

Fortunately, DS announced on the campaign main topic that tomorrow he will decide who are the new participants. I hope that after tomorrow all this drama will end and all the Turks will return to their bussines.

[LoyceV]

I think it would be a good idea not to distrust the people in Turkish Local simply by association. Give them a chance to explain or at least see through this themselves that why the people like wolwoo, Visipilio etc are distrusted in global.

I don't think anyone is distrusting users just for being Turkish. That would be a very long distrust list.

[gospodin]

Thank you for your comment. There is a part that you ignore: the members here are also trying to create scam projects, giving information to people. not a single person does this job. ok, we might have learned from global developments, but don't ignore it.

please use different translate program. for example: yandex translate.

[Blacknavy]

I think it would be a good idea not to distrust the people in Turkish Local simply by association. Give them a chance to explain or at least see through this themselves that why the people like wolwoo, Visipilio etc are distrusted in global.

I don't think anyone is distrusting users just for being Turkish. That would be a very long distrust list.

Don't worry, this list was prepared in June 2019. In the first stage, 26 Turkish members were taken distrust without a reason. For exactly 1 year, many of the default trust members systematically attack Turkish members and manipulate the default trust system by making up fake stories (and now, almost all Turkish members got distrust). Some of the attacks on Turkish members are racist attacks, others attacks came from users who want to manipulate the default trust system and want to participate in high-paying signature campaigns. The real problem here is not that we are Turkish, but the real problem is the untrustworthy default trust members who try to manipulate the default trust system and strengthen their authority. DT gang gave distrust and negative trust to Turkish users that are much more trustworthy than DT f-r-a-u-d-s-t-e-r-s. The untrustworthy default trust members who do not have a single trade in this forum and all they do is to participate in high-paying signature campaigns do not have the right to tell us who we must trust.

[Kalemder]

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER

Hi, dear @Amishmanish,

I really don't understand why everything is so exaggerated. I made explanations many times. Here and there:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53730500#msg53730500
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246495.msg54435029#msg54435029

I found some judgments of Tecshare correct. I read their positive approach. He stood against the members who imposed collective punishment. I removed it from my list 10 days later. (Because @Foxup told me some things). Just like you added lauda to your list. You said that you participated in some of Lauda's signature campaigns. This is not enough reason to add to the trust list for me. But I respect you. Nobody has the right to question trust decisions.

I also participated in a signature campaign for a few weeks ran by Lauda when i was just a full member and never had any problems in receiving timely updates as well as the BTC. So I have my reasons from trusting them.

I am trying to get to know global members. It is natural to add or remove someone from the list.

Anyway, this happened last year. This thing that happened months ago was brought to the agenda. Only I was targeted. Why is that? Of course for the money. I was accepted into the CM campaign. Black propaganda was launched about me.

I politely asked Lauda with pm. Why did you give negative? The answer he gave me:

Hello Lauda, how are you?

What do you not understand about me? Nothing I can't explain. I'm sure it's a misunderstanding. Please let me have a dialogue. Let me explain myself to you. What do you not understand? I added @Tecshare months ago. I read his positive judgments. I removed his after 2 weeks. I did not know the previous fights.

I explained in detail here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53730500#msg53730500

I am waiting for your kindly return.

Hello you.

You would be ill-advised to approach me this way. I am much more informed on the situation that you think.

What information? I tried to explain that I am not a bad person. I have responded to the claim regarding @Tecshare. Let's talk together. Only in this way can we understand each other. I never want to fight. Diplomacy, dialogue, peace and understanding is the way I prefer.

It is unrelated to the thread. It is related to what you and your Turk colleagues are doing.  

What others do is their own responsibility. Your judgment should be about me. I did not harm anyone in my life. I always tried to do useful things in the forum. What have I done? I am waiting for your understanding, not your hate. You have been in this forum for many years. I think we can understand each other.

I will consider "understanding" your "honest intentions" when you voluntarily blacklist yourself from the DT system and as a potential merit source. Until then I have nothing to understand. This is fair according to the statement that you have just made - assuming it is honest.

They are unfair. Drama is played. So I had to share pm. All their purpose is money. I dont care. I was removed, but I did not object. I respected and said I would be a better poster. I want the benefit of the community. What they're playing here is power war. They want more dt power. When a good poster develops, they hit him in the head. Not just me. examine the other negatives given. I understand the purpose of all this drama. They use power for evil. They use their DT power for threats and blackmail.

I will not be a part of all these dirty games.

Stay with goodness...

[Lauda]

This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

You would be mistaken. This started silently when I took over the Bitmixer campaign. Only with the listed even did it become publicly significant.

I will consider "understanding" your "honest intentions" when you voluntarily blacklist yourself from the DT system and as a potential merit source. Until then I have nothing to understand. This is fair according to the statement that you have just made - assuming it is honest.

They are unfair.

The offer was the fairest offer ever towards the gang of Turkish baboons that you collude with. Had your intentions truly been honest as you claim, then you would have trivially just gone along with it. However, you tried to fool me but that got busted precisely with the PM. To be so abusive that I can only offer a 'consider understanding' says enough about your abuse. Published from my side for correctness sake:

Hello Lauda, how are you?

What do you not understand about me? Nothing I can't explain. I'm sure it's a misunderstanding. Please let me have a dialogue. Let me explain myself to you. What do you not understand? I added @Tecshare months ago. I read his positive judgments. I removed his after 2 weeks. I did not know the previous fights.

I explained in detail here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53730500#msg53730500

I am waiting for your kindly return.

Hello you.

You would be ill-advised to approach me this way. I am much more informed on the situation that you think.

What information? I tried to explain that I am not a bad person. I have responded to the claim regarding @Tecshare. Let's talk together. Only in this way can we understand each other. I never want to fight. Diplomacy, dialogue, peace and understanding is the way I prefer.

It is unrelated to the thread. It is related to what you and your Turk colleagues are doing.  

What others do is their own responsibility. Your judgment should be about me. I did not harm anyone in my life. I always tried to do useful things in the forum. What have I done? I am waiting for your understanding, not your hate. You have been in this forum for many years. I think we can understand each other.

I will consider "understanding" your "honest intentions" when you voluntarily blacklist yourself from the DT system and as a potential merit source. Until then I have nothing to understand. This is fair according to the statement that you have just made - assuming it is honest.

Now I can finally delete this from my PM box as you have published it. Thanks.

kzv   2020-03-05   Reference   Publication of personal messages without consent. Be careful of private messages with this user.

Waiting on this guy to leave you a neutral rating. 

I made a similar offer to another person who approached me this way. Coincidentally, their 'honest intentions' do not include blacklisting themselves from DT1 either.

[JollyGood]

Says the person that is connected to the merit abuse and fake trust circle gang? Your opinions should be kept for yourself and your propaganda views to be shared with those that you aimed to get on to DT1 with.

Thank you for your comment. There is a part that you ignore: the members here are also trying to create scam projects, giving information to people. not a single person does this job. ok, we might have learned from global developments, but don't ignore it.

please use different translate program. for example: yandex translate.

[mindrust]

PS: I am new to this drama and i know people may have tried taking the accommodating approach i am advocating that i maybe unaware of. Attitudes have hardened due to a few old Turkish members. Yet, there should be effort to identify the better people. It maybe that people are actually afraid of the likes of Visipilio and Wolwoo. Visipilio has not shied away from making physical threats against the linkes of @mindrust who tried to counter him at the local section.

That piece of shit even says I am not Turkish like It has to do something with anything. I wonder who gives  him the right to decide my national identity.

There are so many flaws with his logic.

[koincik]

This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Transalation:
"Since I added the user Techshare for a short time, lauk and his team gave me negative. At the end of the intense debate about it last month, Theymos wrote a long statement. It was a very political, round statement."

Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?

Personally, I do not intend to engage in these unnecessary discussions. Frankly, I am not someone who actively uses the global part of the forum. But it's hard to believe that what's described here and what looks like some "coincidence" is innocent. I just tried to help you about your question.

As apparent here, I asked him and quite a few people who understand Turkish themselves would say that "it does not seem a coincidence"

First of all, I originally tried to help you with the topic you quoted above, thinking that your intention might be good. But after reading here, I saw that his intention was entirely a "sneaky" approach. And it is not ethical to take the sections you want from the posts there and publish them here!

As for the main issue, as I mentioned there, I find these discussions unnecessary. However, I have stated that I do not think that "what you are saying" is just a coincidence. In other words, I do not welcome you to come up to the Turkish board and say the same things to everyone there and eventually buy a thesis here, with what you bought piece by piece.

I think that you have made unnecessary conversations about childish issues with many people mentioned in that topic.

I have never been involved in such issues until now. I don't want to be involved anymore! However, for the future and goodness of the forum, I think that the people who manage the forum should logically and reasonably end this topic. Especially in the aforementioned topic, it is mentioned that a person has official discourses against the Turks. I have not witnessed personally, but if there is such a thing, I have difficulty understanding why managers do not interfere with it.

[DarkStar_]

The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

False. I've generally stopped following forum drama and was not aware of the "affair" until now.

[Lauda]

The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

False. I've generally stopped following forum drama and was not aware of the "affair" until now.

They claim you did it because of that, therefore it started because of that. Good clarification. You should be on point about these matters, but assuming you don't employ neg. rated or controversial members who shitpost only when paid (Kalemdar and Vispilio being prime examples) then you will be fine without knowing anything.

[bonesjonesreturns]

The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

False. I've generally stopped following forum drama and was not aware of the "affair" until now.

Perhaps you should stay current with truthful and legitimate evidence demonstrating clearly you are sponsoring multiple scammer supporters and trust abusers.

Never mind google will eventually start to get the message home to chipmixer directly.

Irresponsible to sponsor scammer supporters,  trust abusers and racist double standards scum how are obviously cycling merit and self appointing themselves to default trust.

If you are not complicit you must be fully retarded

Thanks for having my legitimate application deleted from your thread. That's another one in the thread queue to come soon.

Probably blissfully unaware of the scammer lauda claiming he will red trust the Turkish members that apply and get accepted to chipmixer....all that board scammer extortionist drama you dont wanna know about hey?

Then after lauda makes such racist threats against the Turkish community that they have no grounds to be upset on racial grounds.

Lol that is one of the most racist threats I have heard here.

Wake up darkstar before you bring chipmixer into disrepute.
You can't keep hiring from the tiny close knit bunch of scammer supporting scum hoping nobody would notice.

You need to ensure you are not sponsoring any scammer supporters that abuse trust.

Chipmixer should have told you they dont want " drama" you are steering them directly toward it.

[amishmanish]

False. I've generally stopped following forum drama and was not aware of the "affair" until now.

They claim you did it because of that, therefore it started because of that. Good clarification. You should be on point about these matters, but assuming you don't employ neg. rated or controversial members who shitpost only when paid (Kalemdar and Vispilio being prime examples) then you will be fine without knowing anything.

Hope now our Turkish friends can stop blaming people about "opening of topics against them during lucrative signature bounties."

@Kalemder and others. I have posted this only for awareness on the issue especially regarding the off-rail accusations of a few people about DT-1/ ChipMixer/ Blockstream etc. Its misguiding to new people and bad for bitcoin in general. You selectively posted in your reply that I trust Lauda because I participated in a signature campaign. This is typical of the selective morality employed by your other friend who has been deleting my replies in local section. Let me quote my full reply where I have explained why I have Lauda in my Trust list.

My reason for trust is that they have been consistent in coming down heavily on forum abuse related to account manipulation, alt-accounts etc. This was due to the significant damage that was going on during the time of bounty abuse in the 2017 ICO craze. Over the years they have grown a very low tolerance to these penny scams where people invite a bunch of other people to post on this forum and they all together see it as an earning opportunity, enrolling in multiple bounties and pyramid posting.

That used to happen a lot and people like Lauda, Pharamacist, Hilariousetc spent much time and effort in tagging such accounts. This was before scam-and spam busting became a favorite activity for people here. These earlier incidents created a strong bias amongst what you refer as the "DT clique" for any activity that reeks of such "common socialized efforts". They actively tagged such farming accounts and this brought these people a lot of bad publicity and reputation threads. Most of them stopped doing it very publicly. Lauda is the only one that still sticks to the same principles and i respect that despite their terse and sarcastic language at times. I also participated in a signature campaign for a few weeks ran by Lauda when i was just a full member and never had any problems in receiving timely updates as well as the BTC. So I have my reasons from trusting them. They have been through a lot of drama but the thousands of accounts tagged by them during the bounty-hunting, shitposting days should not come back.

From that whole explanation, your friend wolwoo pointed out that small part in your local trying to portray me as another alt or inspired by money. Just because some people cannot think beyond monetary gain doesn't mean others cannot. To Turkish members , I only request that at least call out those who try to portray everything as a conspiracy. Not only are these guys attacking DT-1 and the forum but now even bitcoin.

Having someone on my trust list simply means that I trust their "judgement". When a person by virtue of their constant effort on the forum ends up being trusted by multiple people, they may come on Default Trust. Now, it is natural that people on DT-1 can surely have some differences of opinion amongst themselves. Yet, I strongly believe that they should be uncompromising on a few basic tenets.
1. They should be more than account-farming, bounty hunting shitposters whose only concern in the forum is "lucrative signature bounties".
2. They should agree on the bitcoin phenomena and not feed conspiracy theories propagated by marketers like Roger Ver and fake actors like Craig Wright.
3. They should beware of actors that want to scam/ hack people out of their bitcoin holdings.

Those would be the basic qualities I'll expect from a DT-1. Ask yourself what you want.

[Kalemder]

The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

False. I've generally stopped following forum drama and was not aware of the "affair" until now.

They claim you did it because of that, therefore it started because of that.

False. No such thing was claimed. Lauda and his gang trying to do this.  But you're unsuccessful. What you do is simple mouth games. What you write to Bitcointurk, Muslol and others.Look at the negatives. @Bthd stated an idea contrary to you.  The next day he was removed from the campaign. Everything is money for you.  So you tag every developing person. All this is power drunkenness. This is the effort to influence campaign managers.

Anyway.  Reason for removal was written and discussed earlier. I told him I trusted the Darkstar_  judgment. I respected his decision. My Turkish posts are appreciated by the turkish community.  I will continue to be useful to the Turkish crypto community. There are more important things than money in this life.

Stay with goodness...

[Lauda]

@Bthd stated an idea contrary to you.

This guy showed himself to be an idiot without morals ready to support turkish baboons such as yourself in any kind of abuse. Don't blame me when you expose your own evil nature scumbag. I do not even know what campaign the user is/was in, they are of no importance to me or this place.

There are more important things than money in this life.

If you only understood that for more than 1 second, we would not be here.

[JollyGood]

It is absolutely pointless trying to engage with the handful of Turkish gang-members that have colluded to try to sow seeds of hatred and division within this forum of ours. They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because they idolise him.

For a merit abuser and fake trust circle participant such as Kalemder to say "There are more important things than money in this life" is just another attempt at misdirecting.

The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

False. I've generally stopped following forum drama and was not aware of the "affair" until now.

They claim you did it because of that, therefore it started because of that.

False. No such thing was claimed. Lauda and his gang trying to do this.  But you're unsuccessful. What you do is simple mouth games. What you write to Bitcointurk, Muslol and others.Look at the negatives. @Bthd stated an idea contrary to you.  The next day he was removed from the campaign. Everything is money for you.  So you tag every developing person. All this is power drunkenness. This is the effort to influence campaign managers.

Anyway.  Reason for removal was written and discussed earlier. I told him I trusted the Darkstar_  judgment. I respected his decision. My Turkish posts are appreciated by the turkish community.  I will continue to be useful to the Turkish crypto community. There are more important things than money in this life.

Stay with goodness...

[mindrust]

They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because idolise him.

Nice one. That's exactly how I see it as well. If you ask these retards they'd say that love Atatürk a lot but in reality, Atatürk wouldn't use these useless shits to wipe his... i dunno. use your imagination here.  

edit: ...his Nose. The word was Nose. 

[Kalemder]

Lies, anger, insult, oppression. This is too much.  I have added you to my disttrust list.  This is what reasonable people should do.

[DragonDance]

They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because idolise him.

Nice one. That's exactly how I see it as well. If you ask these retards they'd say that love Atatürk a lot but in reality, Atatürk wouldn't use these useless shits to wipe his... i dunno. use your imagination here.  

edit: ...his Nose. The word was Nose.  

Ataturk loving Turks must have fucked both of your mothers, sisters and wives in real life, otherwise you wouldnt need to hide in an internet forum to vent your extreme inferiority complex.

@jollygood and @mindrust, I haven't encountered more hollow sub human worms than you in any other place on Earth, you parasites make even the criminals of this forum look like nobility.

Someone should contact your parents in real life and convince them to lock you away for the benefit of civil society.

[wolwoo]

It is absolutely pointless trying to engage with the handful of Turkish gang-members that have colluded to try to sow seeds of hatred and division within this forum of ours. They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because idolise him.

For a merit abuser and fake trust circle participant such as Kalemder to say "There are more important things than money in this life" is just another attempt at misdirecting.

The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

False. I've generally stopped following forum drama and was not aware of the "affair" until now.

They claim you did it because of that, therefore it started because of that.

False. No such thing was claimed. Lauda and his gang trying to do this.  But you're unsuccessful. What you do is simple mouth games. What you write to Bitcointurk, Muslol and others.Look at the negatives. @Bthd stated an idea contrary to you.  The next day he was removed from the campaign. Everything is money for you.  So you tag every developing person. All this is power drunkenness. This is the effort to influence campaign managers.

Anyway.  Reason for removal was written and discussed earlier. I told him I trusted the Darkstar_  judgment. I respected his decision. My Turkish posts are appreciated by the turkish community.  I will continue to be useful to the Turkish crypto community. There are more important things than money in this life.

Stay with goodness...

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h/1003533.html

never get tired for nothing. there is a pretty big list here. distrust them all one by one, give one negative. let me put it in your judgment

edit: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/1003533.html  this is a larger list

[mindrust]

They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because idolise him.

Nice one. That's exactly how I see it as well. If you ask these retards they'd say that love Atatürk a lot but in reality, Atatürk wouldn't use these useless shits to wipe his... i dunno. use your imagination here. 

edit: ...his Nose. The word was Nose. 

Ataturk loving Turks must have fucked both of your mothers, sisters and wives in real life...

But I am a Atatürk loving Türk.

You call yourself a Türk? You and your kind are more like street scums. You need proper education. That's exactly what you need.

Just because a few morons like you gathered together in the Turkish local doesn't mean you represent all the Turks.



Let's do this, if any of you from Vispilio's gang can find someone who is cheating with multiple accounts in Chipmixer campaign, I'll delete all of you from my distrust list.

Find me only one person.

I can't bother to find all the posts you made earlier but you keep telling that people who participate in Chipmixer are mostly multi accounters.

Find me only one guy.

If you can't, then fuck off. And shut up.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[wolwoo]

Let's do this, if any of you from Vispilio's gang can find someone who is cheating with multiple accounts in Chipmixer campaign, I'll delete all of you from my distrust list.

Find me only one person.

I can't bother to find all the posts you made earlier but you keep telling that people who participate in Chipmixer are mostly multi accounters.

Find me only one guy.

If you can't, then fuck off. And shut up.

you will never find my multiple account because there is none!
note: I did not join chipmixer, but even if I do, it does not
note 2: there is no gang so we can't be a member. Would it be the gang that failed something?
If you are looking for a gang, just look at those who stock the money

[suchmoon]

Let's do this, if any of you from Vispilio's gang can find someone who is cheating with multiple accounts in Chipmixer campaign, I'll delete all of you from my distrust list.

Find me only one person.

I can't bother to find all the posts you made earlier but you keep telling that people who participate in Chipmixer are mostly multi accounters.

Find me only one guy.

If you can't, then fuck off. And shut up.

Careful, you'll have people joining Vispilio's gang just to take advantage of this prize

[mindrust]

Careful, you'll have people joining Vispilio's gang just to take advantage of this prize

They seem to be very motivated already without the prize. (A prize should be motivating otherwise what good is it  ) I wonder what's taking them so long to find the multiaccounter cheater mother fucker. I even read that some of the moderators are also part of this "criminal" gang.

[TECSHARE]

This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Transalation:
"Since I added the user Techshare for a short time, lauk and his team gave me negative. At the end of the intense debate about it last month, Theymos wrote a long statement. It was a very political, round statement."

Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?

Personally, I do not intend to engage in these unnecessary discussions. Frankly, I am not someone who actively uses the global part of the forum. But it's hard to believe that what's described here and what looks like some "coincidence" is innocent. I just tried to help you about your question.

As apparent here, I asked him and quite a few people who understand Turkish themselves would say that "it does not seem a coincidence"

2. NEGGING OF VISIPILIO
The most important player in this whole saga is Visipilio who got negged by Jollygood and removed from DT1. He seems to have an intense desire to wield influence over the Turkish Local. He has been spited since he got removed from DT-1 after Jollygood questioned his moral/ ethical stand to support Yobit despite there scamming ways. He believes that he was right there. I think he should have just settled this issue with Jollygood as nobody elese left him a trust rating based on that.

But he being the megalomaniac that he is, he went on to start a "awareness campaign" against ChipMixer and DarkStar not selecting him. His underlying premises is that everyone's primary goal in this forum now is to get hold of some "lucrative bounties and signature campaign". His theory says that DT-1 is manipulating the campaign so only there friends can get into CM. The plenty of evidence in the form of recent local members from Indonesian and Filipino boards don't make a difference to him because in his mind, he is a great poster and DT-1 is afraid of him. See him "educating" me here:

...
Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.

That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc.
...

just for your own education I will respond 1 time to your brainwashed indoctrination,

I was actually congratulated by many people in private for my intellectual comments regarding the entire Yobit affair, go to that accusation thread and read them again, I'm almost certain you also will agree with most of my points.

And yet, at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected (or at the very least always top rival  in their perception because of the outstanding quality of my messages and my independent tone in general)...

So please don't try to rewrite history, when the cases of corruption and defamation have been already discussed and proven beyond a shadow of doubt multiple times.

I don't know who are these users who "privately congratulated" him for winning the "Yobit debate". Thanks for feeding his ego. I will repeat again that he could easily have gotten himself out of that whole Yobit thing. Yet, his over-confidence and egoistical tendencies led him to dig a deeper grave as he started rallying against businesses here.

Bullshit. There was never any shred of evidence to support that idea, and it was based completely on an assumption on Nutilduhh's part, as they later admitted publicly.

Not at all. You have every much a right to include who you want as I do to assume you were fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list. Being the angry little ass clowns they are, they mobilized to invent several stories across multiple threads simultaneously to try to slander myself and others who had decided to add each other. Not because of mutual inclusions, but because our interaction had cultivated trust. People like you having no idea how any of this works, or what is going on just read what these retards write and accept it as fact without any critical thought or examination of your own, and that is what they depend on.

As far as the negative for Vispillo over Yobit, Jollygood decided to make it his mission to negative rate anyone who used the banner, and punish people by guilt via association simply for using their banner. Jollygood went too far, and this kind of arbitrary declaration of guilt was again used as a vector of attack to make sure anyone who criticizes the current clown clan currently controlling the default trust never has any ability to balance out their vote within it.

[JollyGood]

You are a low-life dropping to these sub-human standards by using filthy words. Shame on you.

On the flip side, it must hurt you because you cannot delete any post here like certain members creating self-moderating threads to censor any dissent as they see it 

Ataturk loving Turks must have fucked both of your mothers, sisters and wives in real life, otherwise you wouldnt need to hide in an internet forum to vent your extreme inferiority complex.

@jollygood and @mindrust, I haven't encountered more hollow sub human worms than you in any other place on Earth, you parasites make even the criminals of this forum look like nobility.

Someone should contact your parents in real life and convince them to lock you away for the benefit of civil society.

[nutildah]

This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

Bullshit. There was never any shred of evidence to support that idea, and it was based completely on an assumption on Nutilduhh's part, as they later admitted publicly.

Not at all. You have every much a right to include who you want as I do to assume you were fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list. Being the angry little ass clowns they are, they mobilized to invent several stories across multiple threads simultaneously to try to slander myself and others who had decided to add each other. Not because of mutual inclusions, but because our interaction had cultivated trust.

Liar.

This is the 3rd time I have to correct your lies on this issue. Were you just hoping I wouldn't see this, or what was your plan exactly?

That said, if you review the original thread Vod bases his accusation on, you will see I made an effort to mutually resolve a conflict between members of the Turkish community and Timelord. This lead to several interactions with several of the members of the Turkish community, of which I gained respect for because of how they handled the response. I must assume they felt the same way and this is why they added me. I didn't do anything I wasn't supposed to and these accusations are nothing but a tall tale designed to make sure I wasn't allowed to be put back on the default trust instigated by people with very long time, publicly documented animus against me.

Your timeline is off. The trust trading was happening well before your involvement with Timelord's fake flag bonanza.

The post you linked is dated September 7th, and you were playing trust games with Russian and Turkish local board posters from July through August. The only reason these users were on your radar was because they had recently been promoted to DT1, and like you, were either off or barely hanging on by 1-2 votes. Your other great rationale for adding local board posters is because somebody like Foxpup, suchmoon or myself distrust them, which according to you, "makes them interesting." Still a terrible reason to include someone in your trust list, and evidence you don't belong on DT.

Your first interaction with the Turkish community was on Sept. 7th, 2019.

- In the last week of July 2019, you added by rallier and PHI1618.
- In the week preceding 8/10, you added bobita, helping him to reach DT1 0, and he added you.
- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

All of these additions took place before your first comment on the matter. It was because you had added these members to your trust list that you decided to "mediate" their dispute with Timelord, NOT the other way around.

As can be documented by your trust inclusion archive, you have a long history of adding people to your trust list as soon as they become DT1. It's obvious you are fishing for reciprocal inclusions. You're still doing it, BTW.

5/4/2020 10:16:29 PM   DaveF is selected into DT1
5/6/2020 1:56:59 AM     TECSHARE trusts DaveF

[TECSHARE]

This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

Bullshit. There was never any shred of evidence to support that idea, and it was based completely on an assumption on Nutilduhh's part, as they later admitted publicly.

Not at all. You have every much a right to include who you want as I do to assume you were fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list. Being the angry little ass clowns they are, they mobilized to invent several stories across multiple threads simultaneously to try to slander myself and others who had decided to add each other. Not because of mutual inclusions, but because our interaction had cultivated trust.

Liar.

This is the 3rd time I have to correct your lies on this issue. Were you just hoping I wouldn't see this, or what was your plan exactly?

That said, if you review the original thread Vod bases his accusation on, you will see I made an effort to mutually resolve a conflict between members of the Turkish community and Timelord. This lead to several interactions with several of the members of the Turkish community, of which I gained respect for because of how they handled the response. I must assume they felt the same way and this is why they added me. I didn't do anything I wasn't supposed to and these accusations are nothing but a tall tale designed to make sure I wasn't allowed to be put back on the default trust instigated by people with very long time, publicly documented animus against me.

Your timeline is off. The trust trading was happening well before your involvement with Timelord's fake flag bonanza.

The post you linked is dated September 7th, and you were playing trust games with Russian and Turkish local board posters from July through August. The only reason these users were on your radar was because they had recently been promoted to DT1, and like you, were either off or barely hanging on by 1-2 votes. Your other great rationale for adding local board posters is because somebody like Foxpup, suchmoon or myself distrust them, which according to you, "makes them interesting." Still a terrible reason to include someone in your trust list, and evidence you don't belong on DT.

Your first interaction with the Turkish community was on Sept. 7th, 2019.

- In the last week of July 2019, you added by rallier and PHI1618.
- In the week preceding 8/10, you added bobita, helping him to reach DT1 0, and he added you.
- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

All of these additions took place before your first comment on the matter. It was because you had added these members to your trust list that you decided to "mediate" their dispute with Timelord, NOT the other way around.

As can be documented by your trust inclusion archive, you have a long history of adding people to your trust list as soon as they become DT1. It's obvious you are fishing for reciprocal inclusions. You're still doing it, BTW.

5/4/2020 10:16:29 PM   DaveF is selected into DT1
5/6/2020 1:56:59 AM     TECSHARE trusts DaveF

Is it obvious, or just you confirming your bias? Could it be that I am adding people who might have an actual effect on the trust system? Of course not! IT HAS to be because I am "fishing for inclusions". Pay no attention to the fact that he is still there even though he hasn't added me. You are not correcting anything, you are simply repeating your own assumptions, assumptions which I have already responded to many times.

In order to "manufacture timelines", one has to first operate on the assumption that your timeline means anything other than more assumptions on your part. You feel you have some kind of right to not only demand I explain why I included these people, but that it must be done in such a manner commensurate with your demands, or else I am "manufacturing timelines". It is not that you are making baseless assumptions, no, not at all, it is because I am "manufacturing timelines" that my replies don't meet the standards of your demands.

Not only that there were private communications as well, there is also the fact that I thought their trust lists were also positive additions.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list. Is this where you tell me again what is a valid reason for me deciding who I do or don't include based on your own personal preferences? Nothing you are accusing me of is anything that couldn't literally be applied to any other member actively using custom trust lists. Much like a fed uses process crimes to charge people with crimes when they have no evidence, you are using the idea that I don't meet your arbitrary standards in your interrogation as "proof" of my guilt. This is all just a game you are playing to pursue your own vendetta.

But since I admittedly can't prove that I know what you were actually thinking or what your actual motivations were, I ask that people look at the body of evidence presented and come to their own conclusions.

There is no "body of evidence". There are a string of assumptions, with accusations stacked on top of them upon which even more assumptions were based. That is not evidence, that is at best theorizing and nothing a trust rating should be based on. Once again, I manufactured nothing. You seem intent on this being some kind of deception, just like all your other assumptions here.

Some of the users I included because I thought their trust lists were beneficial, some of them I included because of their response to the advice concerning the removal of support from a frivolous flag. It is as simple as that, no "manufacturing of timelines" needed. This is purely a projection on your part designed to impugn my character to serve your own personal vendettas, and the vendettas of people like Vod.

Vultures like you saw I was achieving something positive and did a deep dive into my toilet bowl looking for any peanut fragments you could find in order to tarnish this effort that yielded positive results, because if I have a say in the default trust, I will erode the unilateral control and protection from being penalized for your own abuses that you and your friends currently enjoy. All the same people abusing negative ratings against me are all the same peanut hunters that are the most vocal in opposition to my calls for an objective standard of evidence before leaving negative ratings. This is about serving yourself, not about protecting the forum from me.

Weird, you get to make assumptions and just pretend they are facts, yet when people point out you posted your account for sale and that you can't prove it wasn't sold, of course that is over the line because... well because we can't prove it happened (even though it is a fact you tried to sell it, which would put other users at risk). You don't give a fuck about anything but attacking me with your bullshit. Facts be damned.

[Kalemder]

- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

False, again.

04-09-2019 The date I was DT1. After this date, I added TECSHARE (07-09-2019). So I was not dt1 thanks to him. I read his positive judgments. And this is a personal right. I've been following before. Just like I added Loycev and Owlcatz. This is a subjective decision. I removed it after 10 days. Because I did not know about dramas. I am trying to get to know global members better.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-07_Sat_06.07h/487377.html

No interaction is required to add one. This simple detail does not show that I am a bad person. So do I have to get negative? Just like a scammer?

We must talk about real injustices. Like Lauda did.

[JollyGood]

You and your buddies have manipulated the DT system for far too long. I call on all DT members to start tagging you and your merit abuse and fake trust circle participants. You and your gang should not be allowed anywhere near DT.

- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

False, again.

04-09-2019 The date I was DT1. After this date, I added TECSHARE (07-09-2019). So I was not dt1 thanks to him. I read his positive judgments. And this is a personal right. I've been following before. Just like I added Loycev and Owlcatz. This is a subjective decision. I removed it after 10 days. Because I did not know about dramas. I am trying to get to know global members better.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-07_Sat_06.07h/487377.html

No interaction is required to add one. This simple detail does not show that I am a bad person. So do I have to get negative? Just like a scammer?

We must talk about real injustices. Like Lauda did.

[LoyceV]

You and your buddies have manipulated the DT system for far too long. I call on all DT members to start tagging you and your merit abuse and fake trust circle participants. You and your gang should not be allowed anywhere near DT.

I don't think tagging (AKA leaving negative feedback) is the right way to handle Trust abuse, and it definitely isn't the way to handle Merit abuse. It's also not something only DT-members should care about, anyone can become DT quite easily nowadays, so anyone should exclude (AKA adding their username with a ~ in front of it to your Trust settings) anyone who they believe abuses the Trust system.

[nutildah]

(angry rant sidestepping the main issue)

None of this changes the fact that you keep putting forward a fabricated timeline. If you keep lying about the order of events, I'm going to keep correcting it.

- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

False, again.

04-09-2019 The date I was DT1. After this date, I added TECSHARE (07-09-2019). So I was not dt1 thanks to him.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he only added you because you had just been added to DT1. You were on DT1 with 0 net inclusions. His inclusion bumped you up to +1.

[Kalemder]

His inclusion bumped you up to +1.

So what?

I don't remember it. Isn't it natural though?
I told you the natural process. Is it natural that I get negative because of this situation?
Anyway, what am I telling to whom?

"I stopped posting for the most part about 6 months ago." Account sales announcement

Let's talk about a more suspicious situation, for example: An account owner is moving away from the forum. He wants to sell his account. Then he deletes some of his messages. And it starts to spend more time with the forum. Lauda trusts him. He also says nothing against Lauda's injustices.

I know a member who started an account farm: Lauda. Also someone who entered the DT Blacklist.

***
A member who deletes some messages in 2014 2015 2016 2017. While he is writing Russian, he is a member whose writing style has changed. Now he is collecting Funds with Lauda. Why are all suspicious accounts linked in some way to Lauda? Holy cow! Is that a coinsidence?

All this is a huge power war. I'm calling out to real fair users. The best solution: Disttrust and Ignore.

[nutildah]

His inclusion bumped you up to +1.

So what?

So what? So I'm just explaining to you what I meant since you misinterpreted it the first time, that's what.

None of the rest of what you said has anything to do with this issue.

[Lauda]

A member who deletes some messages in 2014 2015 2016 2017. While he is writing Russian, he is a member whose writing style has changed. Now he is collecting Funds with Lauda. Why are all suspicious accounts linked in some way to Lauda? Holy cow! Is that a coinsidence?

All this is a huge power war. I'm calling out to real fair users. The best solution: Disttrust and Ignore.

Royse777 explicitly excludes me because he does not trust my trust-related actions. That has nothing to do with actual trustworthiness, but with how you handle trust (and what political leaning you have - this of course being truth we like to hide, especially leftists which are not willing to admit that this is the case). I am proven that I can be trusted with more than all you monkeys combined. Wake up and stop lying you Turkish degenerate.

[Kalemder]

Yeah.  A good way to dispel doubts. Since when do we authorize someone we don't trust to manage funds. I declare you are the supreme manipulator.

[marlboroza]

His inclusion bumped you up to +1.

So what?

So what? So I'm just explaining to you what I meant since you misinterpreted it the first time, that's what.

None of the rest of what you said has anything to do with this issue.

Why do you even try to discuss anything with these users, they have their opinion which no one is able to change, they are not open for any discussion, they see everything as personal attacks, they act like when someone hate the other person so much that they will close their both eyes and just agree/disagree with something which is directed towards that person and it suits their narrative(no matter whether is something true or not), and, of course, they will receive merit for it. Discussion is pointless.
I don't know, sometimes I have that strange feeling that I am reading posts from bunch of alt accounts.

[peloso]

A member who deletes some messages in 2014 2015 2016 2017. While he is writing Russian, he is a member whose writing style has changed. Now he is collecting Funds with Lauda. Why are all suspicious accounts linked in some way to Lauda? Holy cow! Is that a coinsidence?

All this is a huge power war. I'm calling out to real fair users. The best solution: Disttrust and Ignore.

Royse777 explicitly excludes me because he does not trust my trust-related actions. That has nothing to do with actual trustworthiness, but with how you handle trust (and what political leaning you have - this of course being truth we like to hide, especially leftists which are not willing to admit that this is the case). I am proven that I can be trusted with more than all you monkeys combined. Wake up and stop lying you Turkish degenerate.

you can be trusted? how you can trusted if you are a proven scammer and fucking degenerate?
you even not in dt2 ( you newer will be there )

marlboroza you can shut up

[TECSHARE]

(angry rant sidestepping the main issue)

None of this changes the fact that you keep putting forward a fabricated timeline. If you keep lying about the order of events, I'm going to keep correcting it.

- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

False, again.

04-09-2019 The date I was DT1. After this date, I added TECSHARE (07-09-2019). So I was not dt1 thanks to him.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he only added you because you had just been added to DT1. You were on DT1 with 0 net inclusions. His inclusion bumped you up to +1.

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

In order to "manufacture timelines", one has to first operate on the assumption that your timeline means anything other than more assumptions on your part. You feel you have some kind of right to not only demand I explain why I included these people, but that it must be done in such a manner commensurate with your demands, or else I am "manufacturing timelines". It is not that you are making baseless assumptions, no, not at all, it is because I am "manufacturing timelines" that my replies don't meet the standards of your demands.

Not only that there were private communications as well, there is also the fact that I thought their trust lists were also positive additions.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list. Is this where you tell me again what is a valid reason for me deciding who I do or don't include based on your own personal preferences? Nothing you are accusing me of is anything that couldn't literally be applied to any other member actively using custom trust lists. Much like a fed uses process crimes to charge people with crimes when they have no evidence, you are using the idea that I don't meet your arbitrary standards in your interrogation as "proof" of my guilt. This is all just a game you are playing to pursue your own vendetta.

I am not manufacturing anything. Your continual accusations are based on nothing. I was adding and removing users. Case closed! Again, this is proof of nothing other than the fact I was using the trust system like everyone else has a right to, unless of course you and the clown car disagree with those inclusions, then I am "manipulating" the trust. According to you, if I add some one, I am fishing for reciprocal inclusions, if I remove some one it was because I didn't get an inclusion or for retaliation,  if some one adds me and I add them later, I only added them because they added me.

[bonesjonesreturns]

A member who deletes some messages in 2014 2015 2016 2017. While he is writing Russian, he is a member whose writing style has changed. Now he is collecting Funds with Lauda. Why are all suspicious accounts linked in some way to Lauda? Holy cow! Is that a coinsidence?

All this is a huge power war. I'm calling out to real fair users. The best solution: Disttrust and Ignore.

Royse777 explicitly excludes me because he does not trust my trust-related actions. That has nothing to do with actual trustworthiness, but with how you handle trust (and what political leaning you have - this of course being truth we like to hide, especially leftists which are not willing to admit that this is the case). I am proven that I can be trusted with more than all you monkeys combined. Wake up and stop lying you Turkish degenerate.

Lol royce777 can come to meta and describe to theymos and gm why he feels you are not a scammer after I publically request him to review this post

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231720.0

Then we can add

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231720.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0

I would really like to have GM analyse the latter one. Someone who actually be able to answer what went down there 100%

Regardless of which the first link provides undeniable evidence of scamming on your part.

Anyone supporting you in full knowledge of that should be also be watched closely and removed from DT

But this latest threat you made to red tag turkish members that applied and were accepted to chipmixer is up there with using red trust to tag those presenting the truth about your history here. This is clearly racist in nature and although I feel that word has become another cancer to erode freedoms and fairness in this case it would be accurate.

Chipmixer is paying people to support and join in with your abuse of this forum.

This must stop.

Darkstar cant hide forever I think this will now evacuate beyond the point of containment. I will do my best to see that it does actually.

Darkstar via his biased and corrupt hiring process is damaging the profile of a very useful and solid project.

They want him to advertise their great and useful service not bind it to a bunch of scammer supporting greedy racist scumbags.

He must engage in debate over his selection process or I see him being given the boot actually.

Wtf does chipmixer get out of their meta board 6 sigs per page lol
Has darkstar got rocks in his head lol

He is previously okay but obviously this has gone to far. Kick scammer supporters out of bind chipmixer to their reputations that many are starting to reveal now

I dont give a fuck who promotes them but I don't want to see them sponsoring this bunch of tyrannical scum that will crush free speech and punish whistleblowers and even go full racist to determine who earns from their advertising campaign.

Better they hire varied posters that dont seek to be tyrants and nobody will care or have anything to say unless they hire people that are scammers.

Hiring such a concentration of the same crew of meri cyclers, trust inclusions and red tag abusers who openly support scammers is a recipe for disaster.

Sorry but many have noticed now the game is up.

[Kalemder]

You and your buddies have manipulated the DT system for far too long. I call on all DT members to start tagging you and your merit abuse and fake trust circle participants. You and your gang should not be allowed anywhere near DT.

I don't think tagging (AKA leaving negative feedback) is the right way to handle Trust abuse, and it definitely isn't the way to handle Merit abuse. It's also not something only DT-members should care about, anyone can become DT quite easily nowadays, so anyone should exclude (AKA adding their username with a ~ in front of it to your Trust settings) anyone who they believe abuses the Trust system.

Malicious people:
They use all their power to destroy the other. Justice, judgment, crime and punishment. They do not know these concepts. They are full of Ethnic Anger and greed.

People of this type should not have dt1 dt2 power. Because they cannot produce reliable judgment. You need to add these unfair people to your distrust list.  I suggest everyone to do this. The fair approach requires this. I'm not sure how to translate.  But there is an important proverb.

"Anyone who does not react to an injustice is a mute demon" or
"He who keeps silent in the face of injustice is a mute devil" - Prophet Muhammad

[AB de Royse777]

***
A member who deletes some messages in 2014 2015 2016 2017. While he is writing Russian, he is a member whose writing style has changed. Now he is collecting Funds with Lauda. Why are all suspicious accounts linked in some way to Lauda? Holy cow! Is that a coinsidence?

All this is a huge power war. I'm calling out to real fair users. The best solution: Disttrust and Ignore.

While he is writing Russian, he is a member whose writing style has changed.

Kalemder,
2014 to 2020, 6 long years in between. It's very normal that one will have change in their life in many ways. Writing style is just a part of the process. Do you think the lifestyle, the knowledge I have now about the forum, bitcoin, crypto are the same as I have years ago? No.

Now he is collecting Funds with Lauda. Why are all suspicious accounts linked in some way to Lauda? Holy cow! Is that a coinsidence?

There are no coincidence buddy. This Project COVID-19 has created all these heat when Lauda agreed to join with me. but not even 10 days gone, I have explained it in another thread that how I had her in my mind and requested her to join me to help in this project.

Lauda was not my first choice.

When I started the Covid-19 project, I did not have anyone in mind to have with me as governing body. The response from some users were impressive. At some point user aliashraf gave me some tips, some valid insights and then I figured we need more people so that we can form a team. There will be a governing body who will ensure that things are not going to exploit by eploiters. Following the thoughts, I then PMed few trusted users (if they want then they can confirm it in here) but I did not get many responses. Two of them told me that they are busy, so they can not give much time. When I was not receiving anymore responses, I then had Lauda in mind. I have observed her in the forum from long time and I had this feeling that she will come forward. I sent her request to join me and after one day I got her response that she is watching it and in the next day she confirmed that she will work with me. This is how she got involved. And honestly speaking, I am happy that we made a team. There are other users too who are working hard to make this project successful for the users who are in need. I am happy for everyone who are with us.

There are no doubt that I trust Lauda with money, her intentions are clear that she cares this community. Her unconditional time to this forum, fights against scams, against frauds, against wrongdoings speak for her and I think no one can deny it.

But I do not agree with her when she sends out red trust so easily to others. Few days ago in Telegram I told her why she is in my distrust list. I felt this urge to explain to her the reason because I was feeling bad about it. I have discovered a different Lauda while we are working together in this project. Anyway, I told her the reason and also told her that she has to earn it from me and hope she does and someday I remove her from my distrust list. But I am not seeing this is going to happen very soon.

Kalemder, it's clear that you do not like Lauda, not only you but there are hundreds of users who are against Lauda, that's something in between you guys and Lauda but you can not deny the work we both are doing to support the community, and we are doing very well.

See so far what we have achieved in this short period of time:
1. Sent hygiene materials for 100 people in some part of the world where people do not have it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246208.msg54409412#msg54409412
2. Sent supply to 20 families in Nigeria : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246208.msg54432150#msg54432150
There are more to come on our way.
We are trying our best to keep everything transparent but still if you or anyone has any question about any wrong doing then let us know.
You have everything open in the blockchain: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/3Covid19s5zLNzQHGGLBeqkizwApUb19bj
You have everything open in this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/112dk74xnUlgMHSREP4Ny0kqwrRSEUSAHrGjMJVwXQfY/edit?usp=sharing

Cheers,

PS: From now on, I do not think I will be giving any response to any drama with Lauda and me being in this project together (how we ended up, why she is in my distrust list, why I trusted her to team up etc etc).

However, if anyone has any question about the funds moving in and moving out then I will be more than happy to answer anyone (I am pretty sure Lauda will be too)
Stay safe everyone.

[TECSHARE]

~

This is a very old argument people always default to when people abuse the trust system around here. Doing good things doesn't erase doing bad things. Furthermore their participation in your project has nothing to do with their abuse of the trust system. Lauda has a habit of manipulating people and subverting them into doing their bidding via hook or crook. Don't fall into that trap, I assure you that is what they are attempting to do with you here.

[AB de Royse777]

This is a very old argument people always default to when people abuse the trust system around here. Doing good things doesn't erase doing bad things. Furthermore their participation in your project has nothing to do with their abuse of the trust system. Lauda has a habit of manipulating people and subverting them into doing their bidding via hook or crook. Don't fall into that trap, I assure you that is what they are attempting to do with you here.

Agree with you, it does not erase the harsh feedback (if this is the bad you meant) she left for others and this is why she is still in my distrust list. Isn't it clear that my trust rating reflects my judgement of the feedback she left? Of course this project has nothing to do with that and this is why we are working together.

If you do not agree with someone's feedback leaving judgements then just distrust them. The current DT voting allows you to do that.

Bud look, there is a reason that you and others are in my trust list on the other hand Lauda and some others are in my distrust list.


No explanation needed here, I guess?

I am a grown up man, able to make my own decisions, this will be very insulting for me, a defeat of my own self - if someone else comes in my life and starts manipulating me. Not happening bud. I am not that weak character. The day I will lose my interest on bitcoin, I will not care about anything in here.

[bonesjonesreturns]

This is a very old argument people always default to when people abuse the trust system around here. Doing good things doesn't erase doing bad things. Furthermore their participation in your project has nothing to do with their abuse of the trust system. Lauda has a habit of manipulating people and subverting them into doing their bidding via hook or crook. Don't fall into that trap, I assure you that is what they are attempting to do with you here.

Agree with you, it does not erase the harsh feedback (if this is the bad you meant) she left for others and this is why she is still in my distrust list. Isn't it clear that my trust rating reflects my judgement of the feedback she left? Of course this project has nothing to do with that and this is why we are working together.

If you do not agree with someone's feedback leaving judgements then just distrust them. The current DT voting allows you to do that.

Bud look, there is a reason that you and others are in my trust list on the other hand Lauda and some others are in my distrust list.


No explanation needed here, I guess?

I am a grown up man, able to make my own decisions, this will be very insulting for me, a defeat of my own self - if someone else comes in my life and starts manipulating me. Not happening bud. I am not that weak character. The day I will lose my interest on bitcoin, I will not care about anything in here.

The statements you've made in the proceeding post are simply not inline with the conclusive proof of lauda scamming that anyone can view.

No, sadly it doesn't matter at all if you bust some other scammers, it does not give you a license to scam others, extort others or trust abuse others to silence them telling the truth about your scamming. I would actually like to see evidence that lauda has ever busted a large scam. I can show you some he has pushed and lied to promote that is for sure.

So you need to accept that. I wont be hyper critical since your trust list appears respectable from what I can see.

However, I guess if the covid 19 fund is entirely transparent  with a complete ledger then the scammer lauda can do no real damage.
If someone could see an angle for lauda to exploit it would be in the forums best interest to mention it frequently  until that is no longer possible.

Now to get back on topic this thread is entirely bogus since the claims and concerns voiced in the original thread are completely founded and justified considering that lauda openly threatened to red tag the Turkish members If they applied and were accepted to chipmixer.

The other points that have been made on that thread are still there completely robust with zero chance of debunking them even though the scammer supporting crew are there plaster faux rebuttals with tons of merit whilst merit starving the posts that make the strong and accurate points that are providing the reader with accurate and truthful information.

That form of merit cycling on based of bogus politically biased garbage that attempts only to protect the status quo the chipmixer sponsored scammer supporters benefit from.

You simply can not twist away from the truth the observable independently verifiable  evidence provides.

Lauda the scammer is only part of the problem. He is a product of the broken system and a bunch of greedy self serving scum that simply care about making money or being popular than what is best for the forum.

[TECSHARE]

This is a very old argument people always default to when people abuse the trust system around here. Doing good things doesn't erase doing bad things. Furthermore their participation in your project has nothing to do with their abuse of the trust system. Lauda has a habit of manipulating people and subverting them into doing their bidding via hook or crook. Don't fall into that trap, I assure you that is what they are attempting to do with you here.

Agree with you, it does not erase the harsh feedback (if this is the bad you meant) she left for others and this is why she is still in my distrust list. Isn't it clear that my trust rating reflects my judgement of the feedback she left? Of course this project has nothing to do with that and this is why we are working together.

If you do not agree with someone's feedback leaving judgements then just distrust them. The current DT voting allows you to do that.

Bud look, there is a reason that you and others are in my trust list on the other hand Lauda and some others are in my distrust list.


No explanation needed here, I guess?

I am a grown up man, able to make my own decisions, this will be very insulting for me, a defeat of my own self - if someone else comes in my life and starts manipulating me. Not happening bud. I am not that weak character. The day I will lose my interest on bitcoin, I will not care about anything in here.

So far you seem to be making your own choices, but I think you underestimate the lengths this person will go to in order to subvert the people and the systems around here to get control. I am not judging your character, simply giving you a friendly warning. Don't give them any opening to exploit you, because they will at the drop of a hat.

[hacker1001101001]

-snip-

I am a grown up man, able to make my own decisions, this will be very insulting for me, a defeat of my own self - if someone else comes in my life and starts manipulating me. Not happening bud. I am not that weak character. The day I will lose my interest on bitcoin, I will not care about anything in here.

So far you seem to be making your own choices, but I think you underestimate the lengths this person will go to in order to subvert the people and the systems around here to get control. I am not judging your character, simply giving you a friendly warning. Don't give them any opening to exploit you, because they will at the drop of a hat.

I totally agree with this advice, they don't bother about anything if it's question of power or authority over others. Lauda can go as far as publishing PMs, making public and private threats, damaging your financial assets and even threatening you with doxxing.

[amishmanish]

False. No such thing was claimed. Lauda and his gang trying to do this.  
--snip--

Please dn't lie about something that is clearly visible? You and others have give this impression many times that "Turkish posters have been targeted so DT-1 can control who can get into highly paid campaigns". Just see your own words from the reply in this topic itself.
(emphasis mine)

I am trying to get to know global members. It is natural to add or remove someone from the list.

Anyway, this happened last year. This thing that happened months ago was brought to the agenda. Only I was targeted. Why is that? Of course for the money. I was accepted into the CM campaign. Black propaganda was launched about me.

Here is a friend again making it all about "Signature campaigns"

an army of mediocrity milks this forum for salaries in the form of "signature campaigns", while most of the much better qualified, meritocratic and innocent members have gotten alienated and abandoned the forum, disillusioned by the hypocrisy and feigned ignorance exhibited by members such as you and LoyceV

I wonder who are these better qualified, meritocratic members he seems to think are leaving. The forum has  a lot of qualified members contributing and ranking up all the time. Its you and your club of people who employ things like cycling merit amongst each other to enroll alt-accounts in bounties and sig campaigns to "maximize" earnings.

Watch him making this about his "chances to get into CM" again:

at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected

Here is another one claiming it is about "high paid signature campaigns."

The main problem here is that some people initiate lies and defamation campaign against other members to join the Chipmixer/Fortunejack etc. which is high paid signature campaign.

I could find more examples but these should be enough. I hope you can accept that this is what you all were focussing on earlier? Now that DarkStar_ has said he had no knowedge of that particular issue, it is clear that the removal had nothing to do with black propaganda or investigation on you. There is no need for Trukish posters to fear if they have done nothing wrong. People from all local groups have been getting into different campaigns for a long time. The only visible difference is that when someone gets caught abusing bounty, merit etc, the local community actually admonishes those people rather than going into a huddle in the name of nationality. Just read some of the posts in this link by other Fillipino members when a prominent member Polar91 was caught abusing bounties with alt-accounts etc.

As far as getting into DT-1 is concerend, it is not such a big deal anymore. With continued engagement and history of trades, more and more people will be coming into the group. The only requirement is that people in DT-1 should not give validation to conspiracy theories and should not cheat or abuse merit etc. to enroll into campaigns.

[Kalemder]

False. No such thing was claimed. Lauda and his gang trying to do this.  
--snip--

Please dn't lie about something that is clearly visible?

False again and again.

I did not blame @Darkstar in this message or in my other messages. This was Lauda's claim. He is lying. Because he wants to manipulate. So you and lauda are lying

Lauda and his gang (yes including you). This is what you are trying to do with your lies. His trying to punish collectively. He tries to impress the managers with his power. It is clear that he has failed in this regard.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3248711.msg54149284#msg54149284

[nutildah]

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

You completely sidestepped addressing the fact that I proved you were presenting events out of order. You were adding Turkish users to your trust list before Sept 7th, 2019, the day you involved yourself in their dispute with Timelord. There's no way I can make it any more clear to everybody than I already did.

Now stop lying.

[bonesjonesreturns]

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

You completely sidestepped addressing the fact that I proved you were presenting events out of order. You were adding Turkish users to your trust list before Sept 7th, 2019, the day you involved yourself in their dispute with Timelord. There's no way I can make it any more clear to everybody than I already did.

Now stop lying.

Lying? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.0

Come on nutildah adding some people to their trust list really doesn't compare to knowingly and willing scam facilitating for pay and then trying to conceal the evidence

Mr I don't want to wear  a sig here lol

Just waiting for you to get on chipmixer so they step up a notch in sponsoring super scum.

[JollyGood]

Here is an excellent post made by bob123 in the self-moderated thread Vispilio made:

Is there something preventing you from promoting Chipmixer services to those "characters"?

We both know its not about advertising anything. It's about the money.
But i guess your post was sarcastic anyway.. I don't believe you really expect a proper answer to that question.

Btw, did you know...

If you take the position of each letter in Vispilio's name and add that together:
V=22
i=9
s=19
p=16
i=9
l=12
i=9
o=15

22+9+19+16+9+12+9+15 = 111

and multiply it with the amount of unique letters in his name: V, i, s, p, l, o (=6), you get: 111*6 = 666.


Coincidence? I don't think so. Let's just think about that for a minute.

[bonesjonesreturns]

Here is an excellent post made by bob123 in the self-moderated thread Vispilio made:

Is there something preventing you from promoting Chipmixer services to those "characters"?

We both know its not about advertising anything. It's about the money.
But i guess your post was sarcastic anyway.. I don't believe you really expect a proper answer to that question.

Btw, did you know...

If you take the position of each letter in Vispilio's name and add that together:
V=22
i=9
s=19
p=16
i=9
l=12
i=9
o=15

22+9+19+16+9+12+9+15 = 111

and multiply it with the amount of unique letters in his name: V, i, s, p, l, o (=6), you get: 111*6 = 666.


Coincidence? I don't think so. Let's just think about that for a minute.

Could you explain how this is excellent? How does it relate to the points in the OP?

Looks like an interesting but largely off topic and irrelevant discovery?

Explain?

[JollyGood]

My post in the censored thread created by Vispilio was deleted but the original from bob123 was not.

I will re-post it here for all to see as there just might be something in it as bob123 outlined... 

Is there something preventing you from promoting Chipmixer services to those "characters"?

We both know its not about advertising anything. It's about the money.
But i guess your post was sarcastic anyway.. I don't believe you really expect a proper answer to that question.

Btw, did you know...

If you take the position of each letter in Vispilio's name and add that together:
V=22
i=9
s=19
p=16
i=9
l=12
i=9
o=15

22+9+19+16+9+12+9+15 = 111

and multiply it with the amount of unique letters in his name: V, i, s, p, l, o (=6), you get: 111*6 = 666.


Coincidence? I don't think so. Let's just think about that for a minute.

[/quote]

[muslol67]

Not just the charges in this topic! In order to avoid the "hateful" approach Lauda tries to place in this forum, all his actions must be examined! In particular, I invite the forum management and therefore @theymos to comment and do something about it.

I really want to ask the forum administration. Aren't you disturbed by the presence of such a person in the forum?
I don't know what he/she has to do with the Turks! However, if we consider that racism activities started to end in the 60s, he/she may have serious psychological traumas. When I wanted to look at the posts he/she wrote there are more than 4-5 mention about Turks in his/her profile on each page as far as I can see. I started to suspect that a Turk might have seriously hurt him/her. But I don't think he/she needs to be so afraid and hate the Turks, because I think that it is not worth as much as a fly in our eyes ...

@Bthd stated an idea contrary to you.

This guy showed himself to be an idiot without morals ready to support turkish baboons such as yourself in any kind of abuse. Don't blame me when you expose your own evil nature scumbag. I do not even know what campaign the user is/was in, they are of no importance to me or this place.

There are more important things than money in this life.

If you only understood that for more than 1 second, we would not be here.

Is this because nobody wants to hire the Turkish monkeys into campaigns?

At the point we have reached, considering the old flags about Lauda, the hatred and hateful understanding that she spread in the forum attracted the attention of the entire forum, not only us (Turks).

[amishmanish]

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

You completely sidestepped addressing the fact that I proved you were presenting events out of order. You were adding Turkish users to your trust list before Sept 7th, 2019, the day you involved yourself in their dispute with Timelord. There's no way I can make it any more clear to everybody than I already did.

Now stop lying.

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

Hi TECHSHARE. I want to present a case before you. Please hear me out. You have an impressive trading history. You seems to be a person who wants solutions rather than drama but due to past conflicts with Vod etc., it seems that you have taken a stand against the "DT1 clique" that some people complain about. I can see that you don't like people going into the depths of a users history and bringing out their actions to gauge motivation, leaving negs and feedback on its basis. Yet, don't you think that the forum is more or less only self-policed against those who want to only milk for money through alts in campaigns or wish to promote alt-coins so they can get rich from Alts trading?

You add users to counter-balance DT-1. That does not seem to be a good reason. I saw that when you were trying to moderate honorably between AbitNut and that StonerStanley guy, it ended up being frustrating for yourself because the users didn't exactly turn out to be as reasonable as you had hoped.

ABitNut, I am requesting on StonerStanley's behalf that you please remove your negative rating for him. He has taken the first conciliatory step towards mutual restoration, and your original rating seems somewhat baseless.

I retract my previous request for resolution for this user. He is too dumb and rude for his own good. You guys can have this one, he has it all under control.

Didn't that incident show that when someone of your stature (Old member, lots of trades, looked up to by quite a few) trusts people, it has to be a very well thought out step?? You are effectively empowering people. Do we empower people first and then see how they behave or do we judge them beforehand whether there past behavior demonstrates worthiness for more responsibility and power on Bitcoin forum?

I think the whole reason your trust inclusions were leading to such a conflict is because there seems to be a disagreement on the above questions.

Without going too much into the details, I think you should reconsider this stand of extending freedom to mean that everyone should be allowed to furnish in the forum irrespective of the fact that there motivations seem to be based solely on money. Money isn't a bad motivation but it shouldn't be the sole motivation. I know there is a lot of background to this but as far as i see from Vispilio's behavior, he has been going through this devolution of:
1. They are racist so they oppose me
2. The DT-1 are conspiring to keep Turkish members off "lucrative sig bounties"
3. The DT-1 is being controlled by Blockstream to keep Alts away from this forum.
Please look at this:

ps. just the fact that genuinely insightful users like bonesjonesreturns have to hide behind alternate aliases to speak the truth on this forum,

while terrorists like ~lauda manage to sustain artificially net positive DT trust sheets, is all the evidence you need that this forum is broken,

Meanwhile more and more people seem to believe that Blockstream just wants to keep it that way in an attempt to silence all crypto competition with its paid trolls that have taken over Bitcointalk

I can't help but feel that you are allowing yourself fall victim to the adage "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" a bit too much . Obviously, this is all just my interpretation based on what i judge from your words. You can have your reasons and are not obliged to explain to anyone. I am not trying to convince you. I am just explaining why I am convinced this way. Your desire to have objective standards for Trust ratings is a worthy target. It should be discussed in a solution-approach manner with everyone. Not as a kind of political stand between two warring parties that others take advantage of.

--snip--
At the point we have reached, considering the old flags about Lauda, the hatred and hateful understanding that she spread in the forum attracted the attention of the entire forum, not only us (Turks).

LOL! What up with you guys and this "we request the manager", "we request the management". Plus, we love Turkey out here. Its a great place. Isn't Istanbul the Constantinople of old? Also, Saying "Turkish Monkeys" does't mean that its meant for all people from turkey, Its only meant for the monkeys/ baboons from Turkey who cannot see beyond the loss of "lucrative signature bounties". I am sure there are a lot of perfectly good Turkish men out here in the forum. Just that many of them are afraid of global because of the propaganda from their elders.

Just get over trying to prove this "racism". Tell the people not to go overboard with crypto scams or multiple accounts for bounties. Other Locals have gone through that same evolution. The people there self-corrected. Scams still persist but as a community, we don't try to defend wrongdoing. Relax! You are doing fine.

[mindrust]

ps. just the fact that genuinely insightful users like bonesjonesreturns have to hide behind alternate aliases to speak the truth on this forum,

while terrorists like ~lauda manage to sustain artificially net positive DT trust sheets, is all the evidence you need that this forum is broken,

Meanwhile more and more people seem to believe that Blockstream just wants to keep it that way in an attempt to silence all crypto competition with its paid trolls that have taken over Bitcointalk

"Censorship! Blorgstream! Theymos!"

LoL  i didn't see this one before. Now he devolved into a Ver?

Tell that noob .com forum and r/btc is that way:
https://forum.bitcoin.com/
https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/

The pattern he is drawing is pretty much the same that Roger did in the past. All greed. They'll like each other well... for a while.

[nutildah]

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I wouldn't have stepped in if he hadn't said this:

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

This is not what happened. With the exception of 1 member, (Blacknavy), he added all of them first, before he knew how they would respond to his "mediation" (or well before the entire thing took place). The real order of events is this:

- TS gets included by Turkish members and ends up back on DT1 (with a positive score)
- TS "mediates" dispute between Timelord on Turkish community
- TS's reciprocal trust inclusion history is exposed
- TS falls back off DT1 (with negative net inclusions)
...7 months later...
- TS ends up "back on" the default trust list with +2 inclusions

Now he'll probably try to switch the subject to anything other than why he made up a fake timeline in order to make it seem like he wasn't fishing for reciprocal trust inclusions.

[amishmanish]

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I wouldn't have stepped in if he hadn't said this:

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

I get it nutildah. I just wanted to re-state what TECHSHARE has been saying and try to look at it from his viewpoint. He has taken a personal interest in trying to make DT1 more diverse. I am only trying to make him see that his intention maybe good but the guiding factor should not be "I want to take a look on whoever the DT1-Clique targets". He has said here: (emphasis mine)

You want to REALLY know why I added those Turkish users? Because they were just barely off the DT and I wanted to see it more diverse. Additionally because anyone the resident clowns exclude I immediately find interest in. The Turkish community was obviously being targeted. I don't believe it was for racist reasons though, I just think the clowns feel like they can't keep their iron grip of nepotism if more groups are included. All this circus is, is punishment for working to bust up their little clown cartel, and it is painfully transparent.

Through what i have seen of those particular Turkish users, especially Vispilio, they are eloquent but insidious. Just look at the posts spreading conspiracies about DT-1 controlling Theymos, Blockstream controlling DT-1 and all of them somehow conspiring to keep his alt-coins out of the forum. Isn't this forum supposed to be about Bitcoin?? The legendary and older turkish members are supposed to act as "guides" to the newer local members. Instead, this is the shit they are peddling in the name of "justice", "national pride" etc etc. Don't we have enough of the Roger Ver businessmen types who choose to make the most of the "business opportunity" even if it meant putting decentralization at stake?? (See quoted post from mindrust above)

These people keep saying that Theymos should do something. If there is one thing I know about Theymos from his past actions, he is not someone who would look kindly at people who attempt to change or disparage Bitcoin because they somehow aren't able to EARN enough from it. That behavior is typical of people like Ver, Jihan, Faketoshi. These are the points I have tried explaining to him. I hope he tries seeing it from this viewpoint. Him adding people to DT-1 and thus empowering them should be a more responsible action.

If he really wants diversity, there are plenty of users in the Indonesian, Fillipino and even Indian section who don't want to compromise on Bitcoin just so they can earn more for themselves. There are people contributing to technical sections and having a good enough knowledge on the history of bitcoin such that they don't fall for the conspiracy theories peddled by trolls on r/btc. What are we even doing at this forum if we can't stick to certain tenets?? I personally like to believe that this isn't just "business".

[bonesjonesreturns]

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I wouldn't have stepped in if he hadn't said this:

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

I get it nutildah. I just wanted to re-state what TECHSHARE has been saying and try to look at it from his viewpoint. He has taken a personal interest in trying to make DT1 more diverse. I am only trying to make him see that his intention maybe good but the guiding factor should not be "I want to take a look on whoever the DT1-Clique targets". He has said here: (emphasis mine)

You want to REALLY know why I added those Turkish users? Because they were just barely off the DT and I wanted to see it more diverse. Additionally because anyone the resident clowns exclude I immediately find interest in. The Turkish community was obviously being targeted. I don't believe it was for racist reasons though, I just think the clowns feel like they can't keep their iron grip of nepotism if more groups are included. All this circus is, is punishment for working to bust up their little clown cartel, and it is painfully transparent.

Through what i have seen of those particular Turkish users, especially Vispilio, they are eloquent but insidious. Just look at the posts spreading conspiracies about DT-1 controlling Theymos, Blockstream controlling DT-1 and all of them somehow conspiring to keep his alt-coins out of the forum. Isn't this forum supposed to be about Bitcoin?? The legendary and older turkish members are supposed to act as "guides" to the newer local members. Instead, this is the shit they are peddling in the name of "justice", "national pride" etc etc. Don't we have enough of the Roger Ver businessmen types who choose to make the most of the "business opportunity" even if it meant putting decentralization at stake?? (See quoted post from mindrust above)

These people keep saying that Theymos should do something. If there is one thing I know about Theymos from his past actions, he is not someone who would look kindly at people who attempt to change or disparage Bitcoin because they somehow aren't able to EARN enough from it. That behavior is typical of people like Ver, Jihan, Faketoshi. These are the points I have tried explaining to him. I hope he tries seeing it from this viewpoint. Him adding people to DT-1 and thus empowering them should be a more responsible action.

If he really wants diversity, there are plenty of users in the Indonesian, Fillipino and even Indian section who don't want to compromise on Bitcoin just so they can earn more for themselves. There are people contributing to technical sections and having a good enough knowledge on the history of bitcoin such that they don't fall for the conspiracy theories peddled by trolls on r/btc. What are we even doing at this forum if we can't stick to certain tenets?? I personally like to believe that this isn't just "business".

Considering your trust inclusions list I don't expect TS should take any tips from you.
Stacked full of greedy self serving scammer supporters and scammers.

And how are you getting along with that home work i set you?

Have you finished fully researching the putrid scamming scum yet?

There is not one member I oppose that is not a proven dirt bag.

Lol at the conspiracy theories.

Stfu debunk the conspiracy or quit your scammer supporting slobbering.

Nutildah is a proven willing scam facilitator for pay who tries to delete the evidence and red tag his whistleblowers, oh yeah who doesnt want to wear a sig. 

A mish mash of weird ideas being splattered everywhere by some newbie who does not know anything of the history of members here or who does but still wants to support scammers.

Take your slobbering elsewhere Roobet.

[amishmanish]

Considering your trust inclusions list I don't expect TS should take any tips from you.
Stacked full of greedy self serving scammer supporters and scammers.

Let TS consider what he considers. Its your "opinion" that those in my trust list are greedy scammers. Similarly, in my opinion, the people i am asking TS to reconsider are greedy scammers.

And how are you getting along with that home work i set you?

Have you finished fully researching the putrid scamming scum yet?

There is not one member I oppose that is not a proven dirt bag.

You are so confident and troll these people incessantly because you seem to have been harmed some way by these people. You hate them personally or something. I don't know. You have been doing this from your CryptoHunter, TOAA days (the resemblance is unmistakable, i must say). I saw that the "extortion scam" that every one loves to talk about was the first one where this whole thing erupted between Lauda and others. TS also did not agree on the way it was settled. There is evidence that it wasn't done for scamming. Infact, the person it was intended for (zeroaxl, right?) himself said that no harm was done. Theymos got involved and lead to Lauda being removed from Mod/ Staff position. Lauda and a few others did over-exert their authority on the forum going so far as trying to be real-world sleuths and catch him for some "actual crimes" they thought he committed (including an exchange hack). This was the general over-zealous stretching of authority by Lauda. And, I agree that Vod also seems to do that quite a bit.

Yet, for someone like me who has only came to the forum in 2017 amid that crazy ICO bubble, I have seen that people like Lauda have been a net positive. I mean there was nobody else banning spammers and scammers so seriously till it became a forum hobby for merit-earning for a lot of people. That is why i trust their judgement. That Darkcoin conspiracy doesn't cut it. From the posts i can see that she said in the beginning that there was no instamine in the sense that "People with Linux could still mine". It ended up that only a few people had that capability at the time so ended up mining most of it. CH was particularly hurt on this because he indeed missed out because he was on Windows maybe.

An instamine would be one that automatically grants the founders lot of initial coins before a miner or any sort of hardware is out. it doesn't seem to be an instamine in that sense. 4 years later, Lauda seems to have changed her mind on a lot of Alts and while Alt-bashing she referred to it as an "Instamine scam". By that time, the ICO scams had all blown up pretty badly and the definitions for a lot of things changed. The hopeful brashness towards alts in 2014 had been replaced by a general consensus that they were mostly scams by devs looking to capitalize and exit scam. In 2014, people on the forum knowing and able to mine would not be called an instamine. By 2017-18, when Lauda made that statement, people had been making up ICO projects only on Telegram and ANN threads and just giving themselves the inital lots. That phrase "Instamine scam" covered a lot of things. The opposition to it not being an "instamine" in 2014 is technical, back when crypto was still mostly technical and had not blown up to the general public yet.

Lol at the conspiracy theories.

Stfu debunk the conspiracy or quit your scammer supporting slobbering.

I am not talking about only the conspiracy theories they propagate about DT-1. Yet, from DarkStar_ saying that he did not know of the "trust inclusion" issue, it is clear that him not choosing Turkish posters has nothing to do with DT-1 conspiracy to corner all "juicy campaigns" etc. That is just ridiculous.
You seem to be only interested in the forum drama. I am also interested in Bitcoin. What do YOU make of all that bullshit about BCH, BSV, Blockstream conspiracy that those people are peddling in their threads?? Isn't this forum about bitcoin?? Its not about some scammer alt-coin. Members who aim to be respectable representatives of the community ought not be doing this just for promoting whatever scam-alt they think will give them most returns in the hopes of "flippening" or whatever peddled by Ver, Jihan, faketoshi. Forum drama aside, What is your opinion on that?

A mish mash of weird ideas being splattered everywhere by some newbie who does not know anything of the history of members here or who does but still wants to support scammers.

Take your slobbering elsewhere Roobet.

Mr. Jones, You are one of the few people in this forum who cannot blame anybody for "mish mash of weird ideas" and "slobbering". At least try to appreciate the effort it takes to get through your posts man.

[nutildah]

You strike me as an eloquent writer and I enjoy reading your posts, and because your talents are better suited in more productive discussions, I advise you to stop responding to the forum's biggest troll. You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll. Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Frankly nobody understands why he hasn't been banned yet as he contributes nothing worthwhile to the forum and is obviously here just to troll, but meanwhile there's no point in expending energy on him. It took me a while to stop as well because of his continuous attacks me. Only after I stopped caring did I realize that nobody else cares about what he has to say either.

[IconFirm]

You strike me as an eloquent writer and I enjoy reading your posts, and because your talents are better suited in more productive discussions, I advise you to stop responding to the forum's biggest troll. You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll. Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Frankly nobody understands why he hasn't been banned yet as he contributes nothing worthwhile to the forum and is obviously here just to troll, but meanwhile there's no point in expending energy on him. It took me a while to stop as well because of his continuous attacks me. Only after I stopped caring did I realize that nobody else cares about what he has to say either.

I got tired of seeing his toxic posts all over the forum some time ago, even the ignore button doesn't cut it anymore because everyone keeps quoting him - please stop doing that everyone!....lol

[bonesjonesreturns]

Considering your trust inclusions list I don't expect TS should take any tips from you.
Stacked full of greedy self serving scammer supporters and scammers.

Let TS consider what he considers. Its your "opinion" that those in my trust list are greedy scammers. Similarly, in my opinion, the people i am asking TS to reconsider are greedy scammers.

And how are you getting along with that home work i set you?

Have you finished fully researching the putrid scamming scum yet?

There is not one member I oppose that is not a proven dirt bag.

You are so confident and troll these people incessantly because you seem to have been harmed some way by these people. You hate them personally or something. I don't know. You have been doing this from your CryptoHunter, TOAA days (the resemblance is unmistakable, i must say). I saw that the "extortion scam" that every one loves to talk about was the first one where this whole thing erupted between Lauda and others. TS also did not agree on the way it was settled. There is evidence that it wasn't done for scamming. Infact, the person it was intended for (zeroaxl, right?) himself said that no harm was done. Theymos got involved and lead to Lauda being removed from Mod/ Staff position. Lauda and a few others did over-exert their authority on the forum going so far as trying to be real-world sleuths and catch him for some "actual crimes" they thought he committed (including an exchange hack). This was the general over-zealous stretching of authority by Lauda. And, I agree that Vod also seems to do that quite a bit.

Yet, for someone like me who has only came to the forum in 2017 amid that crazy ICO bubble, I have seen that people like Lauda have been a net positive. I mean there was nobody else banning spammers and scammers so seriously till it became a forum hobby for merit-earning for a lot of people. That is why i trust their judgement. That Darkcoin conspiracy doesn't cut it. From the posts i can see that she said in the beginning that there was no instamine in the sense that "People with Linux could still mine". It ended up that only a few people had that capability at the time so ended up mining most of it. CH was particularly hurt on this because he indeed missed out because he was on Windows maybe.

An instamine would be one that automatically grants the founders lot of initial coins before a miner or any sort of hardware is out. it doesn't seem to be an instamine in that sense. 4 years later, Lauda seems to have changed her mind on a lot of Alts and while Alt-bashing she referred to it as an "Instamine scam". By that time, the ICO scams had all blown up pretty badly and the definitions for a lot of things changed. The hopeful brashness towards alts in 2014 had been replaced by a general consensus that they were mostly scams by devs looking to capitalize and exit scam. In 2014, people on the forum knowing and able to mine would not be called an instamine. By 2017-18, when Lauda made that statement, people had been making up ICO projects only on Telegram and ANN threads and just giving themselves the inital lots. That phrase "Instamine scam" covered a lot of things. The opposition to it not being an "instamine" in 2014 is technical, back when crypto was still mostly technical and had not blown up to the general public yet.

Lol at the conspiracy theories.

Stfu debunk the conspiracy or quit your scammer supporting slobbering.

I am not talking about only the conspiracy theories they propagate about DT-1. Yet, from DarkStar_ saying that he did not know of the "trust inclusion" issue, it is clear that him not choosing Turkish posters has nothing to do with DT-1 conspiracy to corner all "juicy campaigns" etc. That is just ridiculous.
You seem to be only interested in the forum drama. I am also interested in Bitcoin. What do YOU make of all that bullshit about BCH, BSV, Blockstream conspiracy that those people are peddling in their threads?? Isn't this forum about bitcoin?? Its not about some scammer alt-coin. Members who aim to be respectable representatives of the community ought not be doing this just for promoting whatever scam-alt they think will give them most returns in the hopes of "flippening" or whatever peddled by Ver, Jihan, faketoshi. Forum drama aside, What is your opinion on that?

A mish mash of weird ideas being splattered everywhere by some newbie who does not know anything of the history of members here or who does but still wants to support scammers.

Take your slobbering elsewhere Roobet.

Mr. Jones, You are one of the few people in this forum who cannot blame anybody for "mish mash of weird ideas" and "slobbering". At least try to appreciate the effort it takes to get through your posts man.

More lies and irrelevant speculation.

Please do the home work again.

Lauda is a proven scammer telling impossible lies.

NOBODY COULD MINE EXCEPT THE DEV TEAM ON LAUNCH.

Stop lying

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!

So lauda claiming and maintaining the claim to dupe investors for months

That he was on the launch so could confirm there was no instamine is an impossible lie.
Totally confirmed by the launch analysis and admitted by the dev team. On release nobody could mine except the developers.
Even if that were not true ( which it was) it could still and would still have been an instamine

He is telling a lie that is impossible.

Now stop telling lies and supporting scammers.

Lol at red tagging some whack a mole shitty 2 bit scammers whilst pushing the biggest scams

Lauda even calls it a premined scam when he has conveniently dumped his bags.

Newbies don't know shit.  Amishmash of misleading bogus scammer defending crap.

Lol at selectively busting 2 bit whack a mole scammers while pushing huge scams and extorting people and giving red tags to people for saying they will encourage people to review his history here.
Net positive lol

Anytime supporting scammers directly were I can find documented evidence are going to need be avoided by sponsors
If you want to sponsor members with documented conclusive proof of scamming or direct scammer supporting expect the truth to be exposed regularly. Campaign managers say they want trustworthy members

Well then these campaign managers better do their research.

If you want to sponsor scammers, or direct scammer facilitators and protectors expect the truth to be told

Strike all lies and misinformation from a mishmash I gave him the links directly to the truth and he comes back telling lies.
If I see him repeating these lies again then I must assume this is direct and undeniable scammer supporting.  

I also expect him and all chipmixer sponsored members to take the required action they should when dealing with any proven scammers
Those chipmixer sponsored members scammer facilitating and depriving honest members of valuable scammer warnings will be called out regularly and truthfully for the scammer facilitating untrustworthy and highly dangerous scum they are.

[amishmanish]

--snip-- You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll.

I am starting to get that this is what he is doing. He contributes nothing except repeating the same old points and calling everyone names. His writing style clearly shows that he claims to be far more informed than he really is. He has no idea of "difference of opinion" about people that will be inherent in the forum like this. He clearly is trolling just for the fun of it, repeating himself condescendingly.

Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Seriously I am done too. He calls my responses as "Lies and speculation", fuck you bonesjones, you seem like someone who has gone off the rail for a long time.  Your hero CH himself was arguing in one of those threads that people on Windows should have been able to mine too. Then the others replied along the line that "If you are in crypto, you should know linux". At the same thread that you quote, there are plenty of people who are spreading FUD, and others replying to it who are talking about developers deserving some initial bonus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it. There is so much more to that story than just the narrative that you want to push. There are posts by people happy that they stumbled across it. There is an opposing group who thinks it was all planned. At the end, That XCOIN, DRK, DASH thing has the same story like so many other initial cryptocurrencies. A lot of people who won big, a lot of people who regret that they lost. Seriously, get over your bitterness about whatever happened to you. Try to be constructive and not be an arrogant, self-repeating asshole. You also don't reply to my questions on people spreading conspiracy theories at the Turkish local. You just keep repeating your own story and insulting others while throwing in more and more of old posts that agree to your own viewpoint. I took the time to read those posts that you quote as proofs. They turn out to be one side of the story and all depends on how one sees it. Yet, you want people to see it just the way YOU see it. Okay Mr. bonesjones, we are done here.

I got tired of seeing his toxic posts all over the forum some time ago, even the ignore button doesn't cut it anymore because everyone keeps quoting him - please stop doing that everyone!....lol

Yeah man. I think this is what feeding a troll is. My bad. He keeps claiming about how he is right about everything and insults anyone who doesn't agree to his viewpoint or opinion. He is just salty that people at the forum have done much better than him. Infact, most of the people who were here at 2014 or so, if they were any good at programming etc, most of them ran away with one or the other Alt and turned into those Altcoin businessmen and millionaires. Even the most idiotic of people from back then ended up doing something out of sheer luck. Bonesjones seems to be on of those people who completely missed out. That is why now he turns all his negativity towards this forum and some people here. Anyone who opposes him becomes a "signature spammer", "Roobet", "Bot" or whatever. With all the time he had behind him and spent on this forum, he could have done something constructive. I am done trying to argue with him.

[bonesjonesreturns]

--snip-- You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll.

I am starting to get that this is what he is doing. He contributes nothing except repeating the same old points and calling everyone names. His writing style clearly shows that he claims to be far more informed than he really is. He has no idea of "difference of opinion" about people that will be inherent in the forum like this. He clearly is trolling just for the fun of it, repeating himself condescendingly.

Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Seriously I am done too. He calls my responses as "Lies and speculation", fuck you bonesjones, you seem like someone who has gone off the rail for a long time.  Your hero CH himself was arguing in one of those threads that people on Windows should have been able to mine too. Then the others replied along the line that "If you are in crypto, you should know linux". At the same thread that you quote, there are plenty of people who are spreading FUD, and others replying to it who are talking about developers deserving some initial bonus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it. There is so much more to that story than just the narrative that you want to push. There are posts by people happy that they stumbled across it. There is an opposing group who thinks it was all planned. At the end, That XCOIN, DRK, DASH thing has the same story like so many other initial cryptocurrencies. A lot of people who won big, a lot of people who regret that they lost. Seriously, get over your bitterness about whatever happened to you. Try to be constructive and not be an arrogant, self-repeating asshole. You also don't reply to my questions on people spreading conspiracy theories at the Turkish local. You just keep repeating your own story and insulting others while throwing in more and more of old posts that agree to your own viewpoint. I took the time to read those posts that you quote as proofs. They turn out to be one side of the story and all depends on how one sees it. Yet, you want people to see it just the way YOU see it. Okay Mr. bonesjones, we are done here.

I got tired of seeing his toxic posts all over the forum some time ago, even the ignore button doesn't cut it anymore because everyone keeps quoting him - please stop doing that everyone!....lol

Yeah man. I think this is what feeding a troll is. My bad. He keeps claiming about how he is right about everything and insults anyone who doesn't agree to his viewpoint or opinion. He is just salty that people at the forum have done much better than him. Infact, most of the people who were here at 2014 or so, if they were any good at programming etc, most of them ran away with one or the other Alt and turned into those Altcoin businessmen and millionaires. Even the most idiotic of people from back then ended up doing something out of sheer luck. Bonesjones seems to be on of those people who completely missed out. That is why now he turns all his negativity towards this forum and some people here. Anyone who opposes him becomes a "signature spammer", "Roobet", "Bot" or whatever. With all the time he had behind him and spent on this forum, he could have done something constructive. I am done trying to argue with him.

God this guy is thick as shit. Still a mishmash of lies and misleading shit.

1. I just provided evidence NOBODY EXCEPT THE DEVS COULD MINE AT LAUNCH
Have another read. This was confirmed by the devs who offered a 2 000 000 000 usd equivalent compensation offer
You stupid lying asshole.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

This is now becoming deliberate and willful scammers supporting and spreading lies.

I will be reminding Roobet not to sponsor those spreading lies.

The rest of your crap quoting a proven willing scam facilitator for pay nutildah sponsored by fortunejack is hilarious.

You can read about that willing scam facilitator for pay here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.20

It is an impossible lie that lauda told that he was on the launch and could confirm no instamine happened.

Lol at the undeniable truth being trolling

Dont repeat your lies again. Those have long since been debunked conclusively

Lol at quoting proven willing scam facilitators.

Providing incontrovertible proof = trolling

What a scammer supporter. Is Roobet aware the are sponsoring members spreading lies to protect scammers ?

Chipmixer is also sponsoring many of these types. They must be warned about each one.

These are the exact types of lies .any chipmixer sponsored scum are promugating to protect and facilitate scammers.

Quoting proven scammers and their pals crying about trolling when they have been unable to debunk a single point made ever does not bolster your lies.

Debunk the points or accept them as true. Where did this a mish mash of scammer supporting lies comes from ? All of a sudden  a super keen lauda fan appears when lauda is getting busted hard?

[amishmanish]

1. I just provided evidence NOBODY EXCEPT THE DEVS COULD MINE AT LAUNCH
Have another read. This was confirmed by the devs who offered a 2 000 000 000 usd equivalent compensation offer

LOL..You provided no EVIDENCE you asinine, retard. you provided a post from a newbie account that somehow concluded that all 100 of those AWS instances and nodes were being run by the founder dev and his "TEAM". That is conjecture and not evidence. In the initial 4 hours, when the dev posted about a bug in code, the people who responded were also being updated and later said that they were later able to mine. This DRK coin later turned into DASH which people bought at cheap prices and it was filled with people from both sides. Those who benefited and those who lost. The ROI on CMC is >9000%. There were a lot of winners and a whole bunch of losers. The dev Evan had a lot of leverage due to the novel source code. No doubt, he is the one who benefited out of it most. Including a lot of people who got on the train early. In that, this is no different than ETH where the inital holders benefited immensely. Even BTC founder has a stash of a million BTC. That doesn't make it a instamine. Though of course, the brilliance of Satoshi meant that he walked away from that stash as well as from taking ownership of the community unlike the scammers who later peddled these Alts and made themselves billionaries. Everyone wishes that these distributions were more ethical but it just became the norm back then. There are a lot of people arguing about this on that thread.

Hence, you have debunked nothing. Every person on this forum with even a remote capability of analysis can see that you are a joke. You have had alts after alts peddling the same theories throughout your posting history. I am no super keen Lauda fan. I am only looking at your crap posts that you have littered the forum with. Lauda will get what they have earned. They have done a lot of stuff but most non-retarded people on the forum don't buy your shit about all the people who are trying to prevent scammers here. You seem to be the master troll whose ultimate aim is to distract everybody who is actively engaged in finding scammers or providing analysis that nails spammer. This includies nutildah, marlborozo, Lauda, The Pharmacist, LoyceV etc. All these are people who at some point have wielded sufficient power against alt-account spammers. You on the other hand are interested in defending the nouveau scammers on the forum.

LMAO..Where am i defending Lauda in the argument you freak?? I have only read the links you keep posting and people downthread itself don't completely agree with these "evidences". You spread lies, misinformation and hatred and give it the name of defending truth, you insidious bastard. Who gives you the authority to talk like you are some judge of people's intentions here? I have seen this pattern of pointing out signature campaigns and giving your stupid judgements. Fuck off you moron. I engage respectfully in this forum so don't you dare point fingers at me that I am part of some Alt-gang or defending any scammer.

YOU KEEP REPEATING THOSE PHRASES: "INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF, UNDENIABLE SCAMMER,".OLD BROKEN RECORD.

You have no authority here man. Your post history is proof that you have accomplished nothing on this forum and have no positive contribution. Envious people like you never do anything in life. You can continue with your jealous crusade. I would be happy to put you on ignore but I don't like doing such things as everybody has a right to their opinion.

 

[TECSHARE]

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

You completely sidestepped addressing the fact that I proved you were presenting events out of order. You were adding Turkish users to your trust list before Sept 7th, 2019, the day you involved yourself in their dispute with Timelord. There's no way I can make it any more clear to everybody than I already did.

Now stop lying.

You completely sidestepped addressing Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Never mind that these things have nothing to do with the facts of the matter, what is important is that I demand you address them as if they are real! If you don't address them as facts then you are just side stepping them!

In order to "manufacture timelines", one has to first operate on the assumption that your timeline means anything other than more assumptions on your part. You feel you have some kind of right to not only demand I explain why I included these people, but that it must be done in such a manner commensurate with your demands, or else I am "manufacturing timelines". It is not that you are making baseless assumptions, no, not at all, it is because I am "manufacturing timelines" that my replies don't meet the standards of your demands.

Not only that there were private communications as well, there is also the fact that I thought their trust lists were also positive additions.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list. Is this where you tell me again what is a valid reason for me deciding who I do or don't include based on your own personal preferences? Nothing you are accusing me of is anything that couldn't literally be applied to any other member actively using custom trust lists. Much like a fed uses process crimes to charge people with crimes when they have no evidence, you are using the idea that I don't meet your arbitrary standards in your interrogation as "proof" of my guilt. This is all just a game you are playing to pursue your own vendetta.

But since I admittedly can't prove that I know what you were actually thinking or what your actual motivations were, I ask that people look at the body of evidence presented and come to their own conclusions.

There is no "body of evidence". There are a string of assumptions, with accusations stacked on top of them upon which even more assumptions were based. That is not evidence, that is at best theorizing and nothing a trust rating should be based on. Once again, I manufactured nothing. You seem intent on this being some kind of deception, just like all your other assumptions here.

Some of the users I included because I thought their trust lists were beneficial, some of them I included because of their response to the advice concerning the removal of support from a frivolous flag. It is as simple as that, no "manufacturing of timelines" needed. This is purely a projection on your part designed to impugn my character to serve your own personal vendettas, and the vendettas of people like Vod.

Vultures like you saw I was achieving something positive and did a deep dive into my toilet bowl looking for any peanut fragments you could find in order to tarnish this effort that yielded positive results, because if I have a say in the default trust, I will erode the unilateral control and protection from being penalized for your own abuses that you and your friends currently enjoy. All the same people abusing negative ratings against me are all the same peanut hunters that are the most vocal in opposition to my calls for an objective standard of evidence before leaving negative ratings. This is about serving yourself, not about protecting the forum from me.

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

Hi TECHSHARE. I want to present a case before you. Please hear me out. You have an impressive trading history. You seems to be a person who wants solutions rather than drama but due to past conflicts with Vod etc., it seems that you have taken a stand against the "DT1 clique" that some people complain about. I can see that you don't like people going into the depths of a users history and bringing out their actions to gauge motivation, leaving negs and feedback on its basis. Yet, don't you think that the forum is more or less only self-policed against those who want to only milk for money through alts in campaigns or wish to promote alt-coins so they can get rich from Alts trading?

You add users to counter-balance DT-1. That does not seem to be a good reason. I saw that when you were trying to moderate honorably between AbitNut and that StonerStanley guy, it ended up being frustrating for yourself because the users didn't exactly turn out to be as reasonable as you had hoped.

Good thing I have you here to tell me what I am saying, I certainly couldn't do that without you selectively interpreting my words into what you wish them to be. I explained myself several times, Nutilduhh is intent on pretending that they caught me in some kind of ulterior motives when it is based on absolutely nothing but their own assumptions and bias against me. I don't need to explain myself because I have done it 100 times already and Nutilduhh doesn't want to hear anything except the narrative that serves their personal vendetta.

Amishmanish, you are a rube. You don't have any idea what is going on around here no matter how much you believe you do. I don't have any problem with people's actions being explored. I have a problem with the fact that these interrogations almost exclusively are the direct result of criticism against the people who perpetrate them as a form of retribution. There is a reason due process exists in law, because it protects people from being subjected to a cavity search every time they look at the local constable funny. This forum is full of a bunch of losers running around trying to stick their fingers up people's butts because they don't like what they have to say, and it is revolting. Whats more anyone who speaks up about this is demonized as "causing drama" or "defending scammers", because no one gives a shit, until it is their butt of course. Fortunately for the amateur proctologists, and unfortunately for the rest of the user base, this is how singling out people works, and resistance is only possible when people act as a collective block. This is why a counterbalance to the peanut hunting proctologist clowns is so vital.

[bonesjonesreturns]

1. I just provided evidence NOBODY EXCEPT THE DEVS COULD MINE AT LAUNCH
Have another read. This was confirmed by the devs who offered a 2 000 000 000 usd equivalent compensation offer

LOL..You provided no EVIDENCE you asinine, retard. you provided a post from a newbie account that somehow concluded that all 100 of those AWS instances and nodes were being run by the founder dev and his "TEAM". That is conjecture and not evidence. In the initial 4 hours, when the dev posted about a bug in code, the people who responded were also being updated and later said that they were later able to mine. This DRK coin later turned into DASH which people bought at cheap prices and it was filled with people from both sides. Those who benefited and those who lost. The ROI on CMC is >9000%. There were a lot of winners and a whole bunch of losers. The dev Evan had a lot of leverage due to the novel source code. No doubt, he is the one who benefited out of it most. Including a lot of people who got on the train early. In that, this is no different than ETH where the inital holders benefited immensely. Even BTC founder has a stash of a million BTC. That doesn't make it a instamine. Though of course, the brilliance of Satoshi meant that he walked away from that stash as well as from taking ownership of the community unlike the scammers who later peddled these Alts and made themselves billionaries. Everyone wishes that these distributions were more ethical but it just became the norm back then. There are a lot of people arguing about this on that thread.

Hence, you have debunked nothing. Every person on this forum with even a remote capability of analysis can see that you are a joke. You have had alts after alts peddling the same theories throughout your posting history. I am no super keen Lauda fan. I am only looking at your crap posts that you have littered the forum with. Lauda will get what they have earned. They have done a lot of stuff but most non-retarded people on the forum don't buy your shit about all the people who are trying to prevent scammers here. You seem to be the master troll whose ultimate aim is to distract everybody who is actively engaged in finding scammers or providing analysis that nails spammer. This includies nutildah, marlborozo, Lauda, The Pharmacist, LoyceV etc. All these are people who at some point have wielded sufficient power against alt-account spammers. You on the other hand are interested in defending the nouveau scammers on the forum.

LMAO..Where am i defending Lauda in the argument you freak?? I have only read the links you keep posting and people downthread itself don't completely agree with these "evidences". You spread lies, misinformation and hatred and give it the name of defending truth, you insidious bastard. Who gives you the authority to talk like you are some judge of people's intentions here? I have seen this pattern of pointing out signature campaigns and giving your stupid judgements. Fuck off you moron. I engage respectfully in this forum so don't you dare point fingers at me that I am part of some Alt-gang or defending any scammer.

YOU KEEP REPEATING THOSE PHRASES: "INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF, UNDENIABLE SCAMMER,".OLD BROKEN RECORD.

You have no authority here man. Your post history is proof that you have accomplished nothing on this forum and have no positive contribution. Envious people like you never do anything in life. You can continue with your jealous crusade. I would be happy to put you on ignore but I don't like doing such things as everybody has a right to their opinion.

 

Shut up you liar. I have just about had enough out of your scammer supporting gob.

It was instamined end of story.

Lauda said he was on the launch and could confirm there was no instamine. He was repeating this for months even after all of the dark coin scam threads and even Evan capitulated and offered the 2 000 000 000 usd compensation airdrop.,  the 60 % in a day price collapse , the entire dark community spamming hate down on CH and those bringing the truth to people that it was an instamined scam. Even after all of that he was saying only butthurt people were claiming there was an instamine.

Various top tier devs have confirmed it was an instamine. GM says it was a scam.

500k coins mined in 1st hour from a total minting of 22m
Nearly 2m coins in one day? Lol

Not instamined you say ?

Just one of the other dash devs admitted he got way over 120k first day and had 100AWS instances on it
That was not evan Evan that was just one member of the dev team.

So you say it's all nonsense no instamine ?
The dev team instamined it to shit simple as that .

What ? you think cryptohunter just bullied the entire darkcoin dev team to offer a 20M or 2 000 000 000 usd compensation offer to the forum because he just assumed there was an instamine?

This was launched when most pow projects were abiding by a fair launch protocol to prevent premines and instamines. Hence why xcoin/dash said fair launch no premine.  Then they admitted a huge problem onlyt after ch kicked up a huge stink about it.

You cant say well it wasn't instamined because some other pow coins may have in your opinion instamined
The comparison to bitcoin is absurd anyway.

You cant say a coin wasn't instamined because people made money out of it.

You are a scammer supporting ass licker and Roobet must be made well aware.

Preventing valuable warnings being placed on scum like lauda lying he was on the launch and could confirm no instamine took place just cos he held bags of it is scammer supporting 101

Now get ready to be branded for good a dangerous scammer supporter.
Many devs have reviewed it and said it was an instamine.
Any person deliberately and wilfully preventing valid scammer warnings being provided to honest members are as bad as the scammers themselves.

I dont care what other projects you think are instamines or premines it is irrelevant. Especially at that time when instamine and premine were big no no.

Dark was 100% proven an instamine and the dev offered 2 000 000 000 usd equiv compensation airdrop.
Even lauda calls it instamined scam now he dumped all of his coins
I don't accept CH invented the idea and bullied Evan into offering 2 000 000 000usd or 20m at the time offer that crushed the entire cap by 60% in a day if he knew he didnt do anything wrong.


Whether was accidental or not does not matter was still an instamine.

Funny though rather than fixing that series of " accidents " by restarting after only a few hours. They decide oh no we will cut away 75% of the remaining minting to magnify our instamined loot many Times over.
Scams scam pushers scammer supporters the forum is rank with them.

Lol at your heroes proven willing scam facilitators for pay and sneaky sock puppet racist trolling scammer supporters.
You probably are an alt of lauda dirt bag
These are non achieving newbie scum like you.

Now get back to the homework I gave you. Lol at nutildah and thepharmacist. Two proven dirtbags more of your disgusting friends. Fancy referencing those low life non achieving scammer supporting scum

The truth is not trolling.

Just more speculation,  scam excusing, scammer assmunching with some false equivalence and idiotic irrelevant comparisons.
Shut up and await your own thread. I'll get around to you after i get done with the members I have at least heard of . 

[amishmanish]

--snip--

Same old repetitive gibberish filled with your delusional, opinionated, one-sided conclusions. Ohh and LOL @ your threats about branding people scammers because they don't agree with your nonsense. You are sick and deserve to be ignored. Goodbye!!

[andulolika]

You speak but you are the one part of the  DT gang, you guys really pukable , just saying.

I'll just get making shitty scams so i can help people avoid them brb, oh well jolly i won't make any competence for you.

[nutildah]

You completely sidestepped addressing Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Never mind that these things have nothing to do with the facts of the matter, what is important is that I demand you address them as if they are real! If you don't address them as facts then you are just side stepping them!

You again completely ignored my post where I pointed out exactly how you were lying while using verifiable evidence to do so.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

This is not what happened. With the exception of 1 member, (Blacknavy), he added all of them first, before he knew how they would respond to his "mediation" (or well before the entire thing took place). The real order of events is this:

- TS gets included by Turkish members and ends up back on DT1 (with a positive score)
- TS "mediates" dispute between Timelord on Turkish community
- TS's reciprocal trust inclusion history is exposed
- TS falls back off DT1 (with negative net inclusions)
...7 months later...
- TS ends up "back on" the default trust list with +2 inclusions

You were back on DT1 before the dispute with Timelord.

[amishmanish]

Good thing I have you here to tell me what I am saying, I certainly couldn't do that without you selectively interpreting my words into what you wish them to be. I explained myself several times, Nutilduhh is intent on pretending that they caught me in some kind of ulterior motives when it is based on absolutely nothing but their own assumptions and bias against me. I don't need to explain myself because I have done it 100 times already and Nutilduhh doesn't want to hear anything except the narrative that serves their personal vendetta.

I don't care what you guys have against each other. I just looked at this and just respectfully trying to understand your viewpoint. You call it "selective interpretation" because maybe you don't agree with it. Which part? I have only asked you to reconsider adding people for the sake of bringing balance or diversity. You keep saying that the "Clown Car" is opposing you because they don't want you on DT-1. Maybe, just maybe, that is because people expect more frugal judgement from someone on DT-1. I have just presented my opinion on it above. In the same vein, I only asked you that you should reconsider whom you empower. Gave you examples above too.

You have said earlier: (emphasis mine)

You want to REALLY know why I added those Turkish users? Because they were just barely off the DT and I wanted to see it more diverse. Additionally because anyone the resident clowns exclude I immediately find interest in. The Turkish community was obviously being targeted. I don't believe it was for racist reasons though, I just think the clowns feel like they can't keep their iron grip of nepotism if more groups are included. All this circus is, is punishment for working to bust up their little clown cartel, and it is painfully transparent.

That is why i said:

If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I just wanted to present a case before you (thinking you are an old, influential member). In any case, its your own judgement. You don't have to be rude. You don't know me enough. Our only previous interaction has been business that didn't go through. I hope to buy a mystery box someday as they have rave reviews generally.

PS: Calling someone with an Amish" in name, a rube. That is rude even by DT standards, LOL..

[TECSHARE]

You completely sidestepped addressing Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Never mind that these things have nothing to do with the facts of the matter, what is important is that I demand you address them as if they are real! If you don't address them as facts then you are just side stepping them!

You again completely ignored my post where I pointed out exactly how you were lying while using verifiable evidence to do so.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

This is not what happened. With the exception of 1 member, (Blacknavy), he added all of them first, before he knew how they would respond to his "mediation" (or well before the entire thing took place). The real order of events is this:

- TS gets included by Turkish members and ends up back on DT1 (with a positive score)
- TS "mediates" dispute between Timelord on Turkish community
- TS's reciprocal trust inclusion history is exposed
- TS falls back off DT1 (with negative net inclusions)
...7 months later...
- TS ends up "back on" the default trust list with +2 inclusions

You were back on DT1 before the dispute with Timelord.

Just because my reply is not consistent with your delusions doesn't make me a liar. It just means your assumptions about my intent are not only meaningless but incorrect. I responded to your accusation more times than I can count now, but some how you expect me to be able to prove my intent, but since I can't I am a liar according to you. You have ZERO evidence of anything except your determination to craft these series of events into some kind of malfeasance to serve your own personal petty vendetta.

In order to "manufacture timelines", one has to first operate on the assumption that your timeline means anything other than more assumptions on your part. You feel you have some kind of right to not only demand I explain why I included these people, but that it must be done in such a manner commensurate with your demands, or else I am "manufacturing timelines". It is not that you are making baseless assumptions, no, not at all, it is because I am "manufacturing timelines" that my replies don't meet the standards of your demands.

Not only that there were private communications as well, there is also the fact that I thought their trust lists were also positive additions.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list. Is this where you tell me again what is a valid reason for me deciding who I do or don't include based on your own personal preferences? Nothing you are accusing me of is anything that couldn't literally be applied to any other member actively using custom trust lists. Much like a fed uses process crimes to charge people with crimes when they have no evidence, you are using the idea that I don't meet your arbitrary standards in your interrogation as "proof" of my guilt. This is all just a game you are playing to pursue your own vendetta.

But since I admittedly can't prove that I know what you were actually thinking or what your actual motivations were, I ask that people look at the body of evidence presented and come to their own conclusions.

There is no "body of evidence". There are a string of assumptions, with accusations stacked on top of them upon which even more assumptions were based. That is not evidence, that is at best theorizing and nothing a trust rating should be based on. Once again, I manufactured nothing. You seem intent on this being some kind of deception, just like all your other assumptions here.

Some of the users I included because I thought their trust lists were beneficial, some of them I included because of their response to the advice concerning the removal of support from a frivolous flag. It is as simple as that, no "manufacturing of timelines" needed. This is purely a projection on your part designed to impugn my character to serve your own personal vendettas, and the vendettas of people like Vod.

Vultures like you saw I was achieving something positive and did a deep dive into my toilet bowl looking for any peanut fragments you could find in order to tarnish this effort that yielded positive results, because if I have a say in the default trust, I will erode the unilateral control and protection from being penalized for your own abuses that you and your friends currently enjoy. All the same people abusing negative ratings against me are all the same peanut hunters that are the most vocal in opposition to my calls for an objective standard of evidence before leaving negative ratings. This is about serving yourself, not about protecting the forum from me.

Good thing I have you here to tell me what I am saying, I certainly couldn't do that without you selectively interpreting my words into what you wish them to be. I explained myself several times, Nutilduhh is intent on pretending that they caught me in some kind of ulterior motives when it is based on absolutely nothing but their own assumptions and bias against me. I don't need to explain myself because I have done it 100 times already and Nutilduhh doesn't want to hear anything except the narrative that serves their personal vendetta.

I don't care what you guys have against each other. I just looked at this and just respectfully trying to understand your viewpoint. You call it "selective interpretation" because maybe you don't agree with it. Which part? I have only asked you to reconsider adding people for the sake of bringing balance or diversity. You keep saying that the "Clown Car" is opposing you because they don't want you on DT-1. Maybe, just maybe, that is because people expect more frugal judgement from someone on DT-1. I have just presented my opinion on it above. In the same vein, I only asked you that you should reconsider whom you empower. Gave you examples above too.

You have said earlier: (emphasis mine)

You want to REALLY know why I added those Turkish users? Because they were just barely off the DT and I wanted to see it more diverse. Additionally because anyone the resident clowns exclude I immediately find interest in. The Turkish community was obviously being targeted. I don't believe it was for racist reasons though, I just think the clowns feel like they can't keep their iron grip of nepotism if more groups are included. All this circus is, is punishment for working to bust up their little clown cartel, and it is painfully transparent.

That is why i said:

If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I just wanted to present a case before you (thinking you are an old, influential member). In any case, its your own judgement. You don't have to be rude. You don't know me enough. Our only previous interaction has been business that didn't go through. I hope to buy a mystery box someday as they have rave reviews generally.

PS: Calling someone with an Amish" in name, a rube. That is rude even by DT standards, LOL..

The fact that you don't care that nutilduuh is pushing a personal vendetta here is relevant regardless of you caring about it or not. Disinterested third parties love making lazy casual observations not knowing the entirety of the story, but feeling perfectly confident giving their opinions about the situation anyway. The selective interpretation is where you tell me what I meant and cherry picking my replies to fit in with your half assed assessment. I don't know you and I don't care to. You are a muppet that just repeats what you see people like nutilduuuh say and treat it as fact. I have no interest in knowing people that don't have any ability for independent thought and pretend to know things when they are just casual 3rd party observers skimming the surface as lazily as possible. Maybe, just maybe you don't have any fucking clue what you are talking about and should keep your opinions to yourself.

[nutildah]

You completely sidestepped addressing Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Never mind that these things have nothing to do with the facts of the matter, what is important is that I demand you address them as if they are real! If you don't address them as facts then you are just side stepping them!

You again completely ignored my post where I pointed out exactly how you were lying while using verifiable evidence to do so.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

This is not what happened. With the exception of 1 member, (Blacknavy), he added all of them first, before he knew how they would respond to his "mediation" (or well before the entire thing took place). The real order of events is this:

- TS gets included by Turkish members and ends up back on DT1 (with a positive score)
- TS "mediates" dispute between Timelord on Turkish community
- TS's reciprocal trust inclusion history is exposed
- TS falls back off DT1 (with negative net inclusions)
...7 months later...
- TS ends up "back on" the default trust list with +2 inclusions

You were back on DT1 before the dispute with Timelord.

Just because my reply is not consistent with your delusions doesn't make me a liar. It just means your assumptions about my intent are not only meaningless but incorrect. I responded to your accusation more times than I can count now, but some how you expect me to be able to prove my intent, but since I can't I am a liar according to you. You have ZERO evidence of anything except your determination to craft these series of events into some kind of malfeasance to serve your own personal petty vendetta.

In order to "manufacture timelines", one has to first operate on the assumption that your timeline means anything other than more assumptions on your part. You feel you have some kind of right to not only demand I explain why I included these people, but that it must be done in such a manner commensurate with your demands, or else I am "manufacturing timelines". It is not that you are making baseless assumptions, no, not at all, it is because I am "manufacturing timelines" that my replies don't meet the standards of your demands.

Not only that there were private communications as well, there is also the fact that I thought their trust lists were also positive additions.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list. Is this where you tell me again what is a valid reason for me deciding who I do or don't include based on your own personal preferences? Nothing you are accusing me of is anything that couldn't literally be applied to any other member actively using custom trust lists. Much like a fed uses process crimes to charge people with crimes when they have no evidence, you are using the idea that I don't meet your arbitrary standards in your interrogation as "proof" of my guilt. This is all just a game you are playing to pursue your own vendetta.

But since I admittedly can't prove that I know what you were actually thinking or what your actual motivations were, I ask that people look at the body of evidence presented and come to their own conclusions.

There is no "body of evidence". There are a string of assumptions, with accusations stacked on top of them upon which even more assumptions were based. That is not evidence, that is at best theorizing and nothing a trust rating should be based on. Once again, I manufactured nothing. You seem intent on this being some kind of deception, just like all your other assumptions here.

Some of the users I included because I thought their trust lists were beneficial, some of them I included because of their response to the advice concerning the removal of support from a frivolous flag. It is as simple as that, no "manufacturing of timelines" needed. This is purely a projection on your part designed to impugn my character to serve your own personal vendettas, and the vendettas of people like Vod.

Vultures like you saw I was achieving something positive and did a deep dive into my toilet bowl looking for any peanut fragments you could find in order to tarnish this effort that yielded positive results, because if I have a say in the default trust, I will erode the unilateral control and protection from being penalized for your own abuses that you and your friends currently enjoy. All the same people abusing negative ratings against me are all the same peanut hunters that are the most vocal in opposition to my calls for an objective standard of evidence before leaving negative ratings. This is about serving yourself, not about protecting the forum from me.

Good thing I have you here to tell me what I am saying, I certainly couldn't do that without you selectively interpreting my words into what you wish them to be. I explained myself several times, Nutilduhh is intent on pretending that they caught me in some kind of ulterior motives when it is based on absolutely nothing but their own assumptions and bias against me. I don't need to explain myself because I have done it 100 times already and Nutilduhh doesn't want to hear anything except the narrative that serves their personal vendetta.

I don't care what you guys have against each other. I just looked at this and just respectfully trying to understand your viewpoint. You call it "selective interpretation" because maybe you don't agree with it. Which part? I have only asked you to reconsider adding people for the sake of bringing balance or diversity. You keep saying that the "Clown Car" is opposing you because they don't want you on DT-1. Maybe, just maybe, that is because people expect more frugal judgement from someone on DT-1. I have just presented my opinion on it above. In the same vein, I only asked you that you should reconsider whom you empower. Gave you examples above too.

You have said earlier: (emphasis mine)

You want to REALLY know why I added those Turkish users? Because they were just barely off the DT and I wanted to see it more diverse. Additionally because anyone the resident clowns exclude I immediately find interest in. The Turkish community was obviously being targeted. I don't believe it was for racist reasons though, I just think the clowns feel like they can't keep their iron grip of nepotism if more groups are included. All this circus is, is punishment for working to bust up their little clown cartel, and it is painfully transparent.

That is why i said:

If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

I just wanted to present a case before you (thinking you are an old, influential member). In any case, its your own judgement. You don't have to be rude. You don't know me enough. Our only previous interaction has been business that didn't go through. I hope to buy a mystery box someday as they have rave reviews generally.

PS: Calling someone with an Amish" in name, a rube. That is rude even by DT standards, LOL..

The fact that you don't care that nutilduuh is pushing a personal vendetta here is relevant regardless of you caring about it or not. Disinterested third parties love making lazy casual observations not knowing the entirety of the story, but feeling perfectly confident giving their opinions about the situation anyway. The selective interpretation is where you tell me what I meant and cherry picking my replies to fit in with your half assed assessment. I don't know you and I don't care to. You are a muppet that just repeats what you see people like nutilduuuh say and treat it as fact. I have no interest in knowing people that don't have any ability for independent thought and pretend to know things when they are just casual 3rd party observers skimming the surface as lazily as possible. Maybe, just maybe you don't have any fucking clue what you are talking about and should keep your opinions to yourself.

What's funny is that nowhere in your long-winded, insult-ridden response did you demonstrate how my timeline was incorrect.

Here's the order of events you presented:

1.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community

2.

they added me

3.

as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

Here's what actually happened:

1. You added Turkish members to your trust list and they reciprocated (with the exception of Blacknavy who added you first).

2. You ended up back on DT1.

3. You mediated the dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community.

So, you lied. Stop lying and I'll stop correcting you.

[amishmanish]

What's funny is that nowhere in your long-winded, insult-ridden response did you demonstrate how my timeline was incorrect.

Here's the order of events you presented:

1.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community

2.

they added me

3.

as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

Here's what actually happened:

1. You added Turkish members to your trust list and they reciprocated (with the exception of Blacknavy who added you first).

2. You ended up back on DT1.

3. You mediated the dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community.

So, you lied. Stop lying and I'll stop correcting you.

Those who question TECSHARE should know that he will try to sound like he is some "independent authority with the ability to think for himself". Fuck off you box peddling, penny snatcher. Stop this pretense of authority and "independent thinking", when in reality, you keep lying about your intentions as well as how things happened. Dishonest "businessmen" like you often resort to personal attacks. Not having the truth behind you ensures that you have to keep changing track like you are doing about your claims of having been added AFTER mediating.

I said I don't care about your issue with nutildah because I was only talking about your self-confessed intentions to bring diversity to DT-1, which isn't a bad thing by itself. The manner in which you are doing is what i disagreed with. You are not important, the forum and Bitcoin is. I just pointed out that as DT-1, you should exercise better judgement. Now it is evident to me that deep inside, you are a non-ethical penny-peddler who hides behind the facade of "practicality" and "business sense". In order to keep your house of cards intact, you invent lie after lie and change your story. Like you did with "I added those users because i want more diversity". When it gets too much, you take on the airs of "independent judgement".

The most likely conclusion is that you are a dishonest scumbag who adds people for reciprocal inclusions. I tried appealing to your better senses, only in regards to those people who say dishonest stuff like "Blockstream is controlling Bitcointalk through DT-1 to keep a hold on Bitcoin against the likes of BSV and BCH". Instead of commenting on that, you trade insults because that is the only thing a lying weasel like you can do, knowing fully well that you were dishonest to begin with.

I guess a lot of people who have tagged you actually are right about you. You label people who ask you to reconsider your judgement as "Dishonest third parties". The reason being that lying scumbags like you cannot have people asking questions. For people like you. the ends justify the means. "Ohh Look, I maybe trying to influence DT by exchanging inclusions with as many greedy fucktwats as i can, but its my choice, I am an independent party". You are unable to take any ethical stand because that does not suit your interests. When you lie, its natural that you cannot keep your story straight. So go on and continue with your trading. Just stop pretending about being honest or having independent judgement. People like you should really not be in Default Trust.

[mindrust]

Tecshare is peloso's upgraded form with more advanced language skills. Both use the same algorithm pretty much.

Find a group of people who think they were being abused (even though they are the abusers), casually defend them and gain their trust. They are happy for finding an ally outside from their gang, tech is happy for hacking his way into dt by using their fake power.

I saw most of these abusers added peloso to their trust lists just because he added them first without even checking who that is.

People like those of course jumped into the tecs game without a second thought just like they did the same thing with peloso.

This is why decentralization is tricky stuff.

People may choose to lie just because truth doesn't suit them anymore. When enough number of people do that, they can rewrite the rules of the system.

This is also exactly what bsv and bch is about.

They'll defend the lie to the end.

(Until a mod or admin or any kind of central authority comes and reminds them what the truth is but then, this defeats the purpose of decentralization)

[peloso]

Tecshare is peloso's upgraded....bla...bla..bla

based this stupid logic Teshare must be include peloso ) but it not happend

mindrust what drugs you eating?

[hacker1001101001]

This is why decentralization is tricky stuff.

People may choose to lie just because truth doesn't suit them anymore. When enough number of people do that, they can rewrite the rules of the system.

That's exactly what the truth' ignoring gang/clown car is doing to maintain authority over the truth. Decentralization is tricky for sure.

[Timelord2067]

Archived for future reference: [1a], [1b]

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

No, that's an outright lie - you've never spoken to me via PM AFAIK.

Thanks to the person who pointed this lie by TECSHARE out to me, it would have gone unnoticed by me otherwise.

Here are my 39 flags https://bpip.org/flaglog.aspx?accuser=Timelord2067 As you can see there is only one Flag that I have withdrawn my original support for - all others remain active with the ones being referenced concerning DT Trust Abuse in conjunction with other extenuating circumstances.  At least some are alts that were connected by Yoshi etc in the Known Alts thread.  Feel free to view those threads for details.

Make no mistake, TECSHARE is lying to you.

Tecshare's perception of what transpired is different to my own in so far as s/he did not contact me - all the while s/he apparently discussed the situation with those concerned.  No one seems to be contradicting their interpretation.  I stand by what I said that Tecshare did not contact me.

[hacker1001101001]

Archived for future reference: [1a], [1b]

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

No, that's an outright lie - you've never spoken to me via PM AFAIK.

Thanks to the person who pointed this lie by TECSHARE out to me, it would have gone unnoticed by me otherwise.

Here are my 39 flags https://bpip.org/flaglog.aspx?accuser=Timelord2067 As you can see there is only one Flag that I have withdrawn my original support for - all others remain active with the ones being referenced concerning DT Trust Abuse in conjunction with other extenuating circumstances.  At least some are alts that were connected by Yoshi etc in the Known Alts thread.  Feel free to view those threads for details.

Make no mistake, TECSHARE is lying to you.

TECSHARE is probably talking about the geniune and natural comment he made about the dispute here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181723.msg52379325#msg52379325

Please dude.

[Timelord2067]

TECSHARE is probably talking about the genuine and natural comment he made about the dispute here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181723.msg52379325#msg52379325

Please dude.

How does Tecshare crying about *neutral* trust feedback on his Trust Feedback Wall equate to "mediating"?

As @Vod said:

Timelord2067: "TECSHARE has made a very thinly veiled threat to stalk me unless I remove my *neutral* trust/feedback post (last paragraph and his "PS") in this now archived post:

Should be negative, not neutral.  :/

See above post.

[hacker1001101001]

TECSHARE is probably talking about the genuine and natural comment he made about the dispute here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181723.msg52379325#msg52379325

Please dude.

How does Tecshare crying about *neutral* trust feedback on his Trust Feedback Wall equate to "mediating"?

Sorry for wrong link, I was pointing to his reply about the flag on you being invalid.

This is not what these flags are for. You are free to leave ratings on his profile if you insist, but this is also frowned upon unless the intent is to prevent fraud. This has nothing to do with fraud and is just retribution for a disagreement, righteous or otherwise. You can not use flags like this because it devalues the entire rating system. This is an invalid flag that reflects more poorly on its creator than its target.

[Timelord2067]

Sorry for wrong link, I was pointing to his reply about the flag on you being invalid.

That sort of makes more sense, I guess, but Tecshare never "negotiated" anything, with me, for me, or on my behalf to or for any-other person, persons, or group of persons.

[TECSHARE]

What's funny is that nowhere in your long-winded, insult-ridden response did you demonstrate how my timeline was incorrect.

I didn't because it is irrelevant in spite of your protestations otherwise.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list.

As you can see your timeline is not a dependent factor no matter how much you want to repeat it in an attempt to make it truth.

[Long winded ball washing and baseless conclusions.]

And this is why I called you a rube. You didn't just question me you made assumptions about me. You are a tool, wittingly or otherwise.

Archived for future reference: [1a], [1b]

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

No, that's an outright lie - you've never spoken to me via PM AFAIK.

Thanks to the person who pointed this lie by TECSHARE out to me, it would have gone unnoticed by me otherwise.

Here are my 39 flags https://bpip.org/flaglog.aspx?accuser=Timelord2067 As you can see there is only one Flag that I have withdrawn my original support for - all others remain active with the ones being referenced concerning DT Trust Abuse in conjunction with other extenuating circumstances.  At least some are alts that were connected by Yoshi etc in the Known Alts thread.  Feel free to view those threads for details.

Make no mistake, TECSHARE is lying to you.

Who said I talked to you via PM? I convinced several members of the Turkish community to drop an invalid flag on you, and this was your response. Just because you were the only unreasonable one in the equation doesn't mean mediation didn't occur independently of you.

[nutildah]

What's funny is that nowhere in your long-winded, insult-ridden response did you demonstrate how my timeline was incorrect.

I didn't because it is irrelevant in spite of your protestations otherwise.

OK, so me pointing out exactly how you are lying is "irrelevant." Totally trustworthy behavior. 

Just give up the lie and admit it for what it is. Peloso has no qualms doing that, neither should you.

[TECSHARE]

What's funny is that nowhere in your long-winded, insult-ridden response did you demonstrate how my timeline was incorrect.

I didn't because it is irrelevant in spite of your protestations otherwise.

OK, so me pointing out exactly how you are lying is "irrelevant." Totally trustworthy behavior.  

Just give up the lie and admit it for what it is. Peloso has no qualms doing that, neither should you.

You asserting your assumptions to be factual when it is not, does not make my denial of it a lie.

[nutildah]

You asserting your assumptions to be factual when it is not, does not make my denial of it a lie.

That's the thing though -- the real timeline of events is not based on "assumptions". Its based on documented words and data that is accessible by all, and runs contrary to your assertions.

Here's the order of events you presented:

1.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community

2.

they added me

3.

as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

Here's what actually happened:

1. You added Turkish members to your trust list and they reciprocated (with the exception of Blacknavy who added you first).

2. You ended up back on DT1.

3. You mediated the dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community.

So, you lied. Stop lying and I'll stop correcting you.

[Timelord2067]

Archived for future reference: [1a], [1b]

Who said I talked to you via PM? I convinced several members of the Turkish community to drop an invalid flag on you, and this was your response. Just because you were the only unreasonable one in the equation doesn't mean mediation didn't occur independently of you.

Has anyone else noticed the link Tecshare posted as "proof" of my fantasy response was actually a link to a quote by Tecshare.??

Code:

quote author=TECSHARE link=topic=5247427.msg54514850#msg54514850 date=1590642536]
Who said I talked to you via PM? I convinced several members of the Turkish community to drop an invalid flag on you, and [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181723.msg52379325#msg52379325]this was your response[/url]. Just because you were the only unreasonable one in the equation doesn't mean mediation didn't occur independently of you.
[/ quote]

I'm laughing at you Tecshare. (or whatever your main alt is)

[JollyGood]

I am surprised you are still trying to engage with one of the biggest attention-seeking trolls in the forum. He obviously is thriving by playing the ignorance card, is it really worth it? He is so far deluded he is at the point of no return so trying to engage with him is almost a certainty to be futile.

What's funny is that nowhere in your long-winded, insult-ridden response did you demonstrate how my timeline was incorrect.

I didn't because it is irrelevant in spite of your protestations otherwise.

OK, so me pointing out exactly how you are lying is "irrelevant." Totally trustworthy behavior.  

Just give up the lie and admit it for what it is. Peloso has no qualms doing that, neither should you.

[amishmanish]

Tecshare is peloso's upgraded form with more advanced language skills. Both use the same algorithm pretty much.

Find a group of people who think they were being abused (even though they are the abusers), casually defend them and gain their trust. They are happy for finding an ally outside from their gang, tech is happy for hacking his way into dt by using their fake power.

After repeatedly trying to engage, i have come to the same conclusion. These are the kind of people who can never accept that they are wrong as ends justify the means to them.

People may choose to lie just because truth doesn't suit them anymore. When enough number of people do that, they can rewrite the rules of the system.

This is also exactly what bsv and bch is about.

They'll defend the lie to the end.

These people are trying to pull off a BCH and BSV on the forum now. The people tec adds in the name of "diversity" are propagating conspiracy theories about DT-1,Businesses on this forum and Bitcoin in general.

ps. just the fact that genuinely insightful users like bonesjonesreturns have to hide behind alternate aliases to speak the truth on this forum,

while terrorists like ~lauda manage to sustain artificially net positive DT trust sheets, is all the evidence you need that this forum is broken,

Meanwhile more and more people seem to believe that Blockstream just wants to keep it that way in an attempt to silence all crypto competition with its paid trolls that have taken over Bitcointalk

They do this because they are not getting enough business (lucrative bounties) out of it. Tec likes being a tool so he cannot see this and continues his lies.

[TECSHARE]

[I have been here for a whole three years and I know absolutely everything about the inner working and dynamics of this forum!]

You asserting your assumptions to be factual when it is not, does not make my denial of it a lie.

That's the thing though -- the real timeline of events is not based on "assumptions". Its based on documented words and data that is accessible by all, and runs contrary to your assertions.

Here's the order of events you presented:

1.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community

2.

they added me

3.

as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

Here's what actually happened:

1. You added Turkish members to your trust list and they reciprocated (with the exception of Blacknavy who added you first).

2. You ended up back on DT1.

3. You mediated the dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community.

So, you lied. Stop lying and I'll stop correcting you.

You can selectively edit my posts and leave out the parts that contradict your vendetta all you like, it doesn't make you any more truthful.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list.

You see this? I posted this months ago, well before your cherry picked quotes above. Both things are true, you just want to pretend only the parts you selectively included apply. Let me point this out again...

But since I admittedly can't prove that I know what you were actually thinking or what your actual motivations were, I ask that people look at the body of evidence presented and come to their own conclusions.

Here you are admitting you are making your conclusion based on assumptions. You some how think you have the magical ability to know my inner thoughts and goals, and if I disagree with those conclusions I am a liar who is up to something nefarious. There is no "body of evidence". There is you vomiting up the same lies over and over again in the desperate hope that if you repeat it enough times people will believe you.

Archived for future reference: [1a], [1b]

Who said I talked to you via PM? I convinced several members of the Turkish community to drop an invalid flag on you, and this was your response. Just because you were the only unreasonable one in the equation doesn't mean mediation didn't occur independently of you.

Has anyone else noticed the link Tecshare posted as "proof" of my fantasy response was actually a link to a quote by Tecshare.??

Code:

quote author=TECSHARE link=topic=5247427.msg54514850#msg54514850 date=1590642536]
Who said I talked to you via PM? I convinced several members of the Turkish community to drop an invalid flag on you, and [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181723.msg52379325#msg52379325]this was your response[/url]. Just because you were the only unreasonable one in the equation doesn't mean mediation didn't occur independently of you.
[/ quote]

I'm laughing at you Tecshare. (or whatever your main alt is)

I posted it to document your response to me getting an invalid flag against you removed was to shit up my trust page. Do you dispute that this was your response? FYI, I have no other alts, but feel free to make another one of your infamous lists of baseless guesses.

[nutildah]

You asserting your assumptions to be factual when it is not, does not make my denial of it a lie.

That's the thing though -- the real timeline of events is not based on "assumptions". Its based on documented words and data that is accessible by all, and runs contrary to your assertions.

Here's the order of events you presented:

1.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community

2.

they added me

3.

as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

Here's what actually happened:

1. You added Turkish members to your trust list and they reciprocated (with the exception of Blacknavy who added you first).

2. You ended up back on DT1.

3. You mediated the dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community.

So, you lied. Stop lying and I'll stop correcting you.

You can selectively edit my posts and leave out the parts that contradict your vendetta all you like, it doesn't make you any more truthful.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list.

You see this? I posted this months ago, well before your cherry picked quotes above. Both things are true, you just want to pretend only the parts you selectively included apply. Let me point this out again...

But since I admittedly can't prove that I know what you were actually thinking or what your actual motivations were, I ask that people look at the body of evidence presented and come to their own conclusions.

Here you are admitting you are making your conclusion based on assumptions. You some how think you have the magical ability to know my inner thoughts and goals, and if I disagree with those conclusions I am a liar who is up to something nefarious. There is no "body of evidence". There is you vomiting up the same lies over and over again in the desperate hope that if you repeat it enough times people will believe you.

I "selectively edited" your post to take out the parts that were irrelevant to debunking your lie. Everything you are tacking on to this argument has nothing to do with the fact that you lied about presenting events out of order.

This is the timeline you presented:

1.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community

2.

they added me

3.

as a result I ended up back on the default trust list.

This is what actually happened:

1. You added Turkish members to your trust list and they reciprocated (with the exception of Blacknavy who added you first).

2. You ended up back on DT1.

3. You mediated the dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community.

So, you lied. Stop lying and I'll stop correcting you.

[suchmoon]

LOL... as expected:

All these shitheads who treat signature campaigns as jobs AND demand entitlements are quite funny when you think about it.

I wonder if they do the same thing when they don't get a job IRL. Attack the employer and its employees. "You're employing terrorists. You must hire me because I'm Turkish." I can't imagine any success with such strategy but here we are.

Yes, I know I should have posted this in the non-self-mod thread but whatever. Gotta give the dragon dunce something to do.

[JollyGood]

What exactly is the name of the medical problem that Vispilio suffers from?

We all know he suffers from a condition that makes him want to seek attention all the time all day long but apart from being distraught at not being selected for the CM campaign what exactly has made him such a low-life non-contributor to this wonderful forum of ours?

~~~, also ~suchmoon but whatever, her boring ad hominems are getting too bitter and spiteful to even merit a response

you know a member uninitiated to the total corruption of DT1 might have been enthusiastic to debate you, but it seems the only ones reading and inhabiting the reputation boards are gang members desperate to hold on to their signature salaries these days, so I'll move on to more interesting pursuits.

I would like to just make it 100% clear that this thread is by no means an attack or even criticism towards Chipmixer, who have undeniably put some BTT members on a very generous welfare check for many years.

I'm interested in helping them make more meritocratic choices, both to help flourish their business more profitably, and as an act of kindness to many intellectual members on this forum who have long been disenfranchised and discouraged by your disgusting gang activity...

Further trolling and diversionary libel on this thread will be promptly deleted, the only ones I'm interested to converse with here are admin, Chipmixer staff, or moral intellectuals of this forum who have woken up to the nepotist manipulation of DT1.


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@theymos: Your political experiment works, it's a curious attempt at decentralization, but the stakes are too low the current format is way too high maintenance and the rewards have become almost non-existent, no one in his right mind would be interested in debating these resident trolls every day to maintain a very fragile reputation on an internet forum, thus the larger crypto community suffers from their incestuous propaganda, and many brilliant people leave BTT...

Most people respect your and staff's decisions in general, if you nudge the community in the right direction by including truly meritocratic members in your lists / roster and greatly curbing the privileges of the nepotism gang, these colluding freeloaders would either have to play fair or take their con game elsewhere, both outcomes would greatly help the forum and crypto space.

[mindrust]

What exactly is the name of the medical problem that Vispilio suffers from?

https://www.health.com/mind-body/what-is-delusional-disorder-we-asked-a-psychiatrist

I was going to call him this but then I realized his arguments are neither plausible nor systematic.

Bat shit crazy suits him better I guess.

[Vispilio]

~JollyGood

https://www.health.com/mind-body/what-is-delusional-disorder-we-asked-a-psychiatrist

Note for this whole impostor thread in general: 🍀 " Imitation is the sincerest (and most artless) form of flattery. " 🍀


The only accusation I can accept from envious stalkers like you and jolly ninja would be erotomania, which sounds amazing actually

[marlboroza]

This is much better, seems bitcointalk is compromised:

This forum needs new authorities, Trust leaders, sMerit leaders, and staff members, unaffiliated with proven criminals and acting in a reasonably independent capacity, so they won't compromise their responsibilities to the crypto space in order to provide income for their old timer criminal friends.

I'll just make collection of keywords/accusations he posted in that topic:

fake and corrupt DT cult
desperately toxic terrorist lauda

mathematically provable corruption and foul interference going on in signature campaign selections.

DT corruption

mafia
mathematically proven corruption in Signature campaign selections.
coordinated attacks
fake character assassination jobs

criminal scum
certain bad nepotist actors
it's reasonable to assume someone or an organization with decisive authority on Bitcointalk is employing these useful trolls for their own dark agendas

diversionary tactics
nepotist DT clique
definitively proven cases of corruption

band of criminals
nepotism
little mafia games...

corruption
nepotism
nepotist
or perhaps, a company who has authority over even theymos is instructing them to keep the trolls and bad actors on the payroll

terrorist lauda
some DT1 mafioso
terrorist lauda and her mafioso DT1 friends

DT nepotism
manipulating revenue streams

corruption of DT1
by your disgusting gang activity
nepotist manipulation of DT1.
nepotism gang
colluding freeloaders
their con game

DT system has become totally corrupt
manipulate income streams
nepotism cult
criminal cartel of Bitcointalk
a petty criminal network
black nepotist propaganda
proven criminals
criminal friends

~

You have some not answered questions in that topic of yours, if you don't mind please address them.

[suchmoon]

I'll just make collection of keywords/accusations he posted in that topic:

He's gone full cryptohunter, complete with sockpuppets and wild accusations and appealing to theymos, but with the added nationalist twist. Sadly we're gonna have to stop feeding him otherwise he'll reproduce to unsustainable levels.

[Vispilio]

I'll just make collection of keywords/accusations he posted in that topic:

He's gone full cryptohunter, complete with sockpuppets and wild accusations and appealing to theymos, but with the added nationalist twist.

...

Cryptohunter is a far more honest and principled individual than you, you shouldn't try to defame him at every opportunity just because he outed you as a morbidly obese woman,

let go of your grudges, try a healthier diet and make a habit of high intensity exercises instead, take care.


ps. for future reference for all genuine readers, all the meaningful questions about these issues are addressed in the original thread

[mindrust]

I'll just make collection of keywords/accusations he posted in that topic:

He's gone full cryptohunter, complete with sockpuppets and wild accusations and appealing to theymos, but with the added nationalist twist. Sadly we're gonna have to stop feeding him otherwise he'll reproduce to unsustainable levels.

There was another like him.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=874254

Similar vibes.

[marlboroza]

for future reference for all genuine readers, all the meaningful questions about these issues are addressed in the original thread

Genuine reader here.

Can you help me to find where is connection between authorities/trust leaders/merit leaders/cheerleaders/staff members and criminals addressed? Link posts, please.

Sadly we're gonna have to stop feeding him otherwise he'll reproduce to unsustainable levels.

But you will miss Vispilio's explanation how provably corrupted signature system works then.

[suchmoon]

But you will miss Vispilio's explanation how provably corrupted signature system works then.

The whole thing has already been explained months ago by another sockpuppeting twat (thanks to wolwoo for bringing it up again recently - warms my heart when these assholes fight between themselves but I digress):

In past, we thought it was allowed to use multiple accounts because of the guide in our local forum. It was normal in 2017.
[...]
When I joined this forum, I was already a Bitcoin investor but the idea of ​​having more Bitcoins was tempting and I had rented some accounts to get more Bitcoins.

[Blacknavy]

The whole thing has already been explained months ago by another sockpuppeting twat (thanks to wolwoo for bringing it up again recently - warms my heart when these assholes fight between themselves but I digress):

Not these or themselves. He has never been on my trust list.

[marlboroza]

Not these or themselves. He has never been on my trust list.

Never ever?

Correct me if I am wrong, but that was the week of Vispilio's defamation campaign.

What do you mean?

I am terrible sorry, now I see you are talking about wolwoo 

[Blacknavy]

Not these or themselves. He has never been on my trust list.

Never ever?

What do you mean?

[suchmoon]

Not these or themselves. He has never been on my trust list.

Relevance? "These" refers to both you (a sockpuppeting asshole) and wolwoo (a multi-talented asshole) being assholes regardless of your trust lists.

However if you insist on discussing your trust list then a good place to start would be the presence of other sockpuppeting bounty abusers in it. Birds of a feather?

[Blacknavy]

~

Off topic. I’m out of this topic now.

[JollyGood]

You have a point, it seems Vispilio has gone totally bonkers but as long as he feels a sense of pride by being a merit source it means his ego is in real danger of taking him to the point of no return.

Hopefully theymos will take action and not allow this multi-account deluded individual to remain as merit source.

What exactly is the name of the medical problem that Vispilio suffers from?

https://www.health.com/mind-body/what-is-delusional-disorder-we-asked-a-psychiatrist

I was going to call him this but then I realized his arguments are neither plausible nor systematic.

Bat shit crazy suits him better I guess.

Got to say this sums up the sentiments regarding both Blacknavy and wolwoo aptly. Most of the users across the forum would probably say it was a fair assessment.

The amount of damage these two along with Vispilio and a few others have done to relations within the forum is there for all to see. I hope they take time for self-reflection and then change their ways to be better participants and contributors here.

Not these or themselves. He has never been on my trust list.

Relevance? "These" refers to both you (a sockpuppeting asshole) and wolwoo (a multi-talented asshole) being assholes regardless of your trust lists.

However if you insist on discussing your trust list then a good place to start would be the presence of other sockpuppeting bounty abusers in it. Birds of a feather?

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[JollyGood]

And this Vispilio user is supposed to be a merit source?

Just by reading trash posted throughout the forum it is clear this user has to be the perfect example of NOT being suited to have any role with the forum either as DT rank or merit source.

Note for this whole impostor thread in general: 🍀 " Imitation is the sincerest (and most artless) form of flattery. " 🍀


The only accusation I can accept from envious stalkers like you and jolly ninja would be erotomania, which sounds amazing actually

[JollyGood]

* BUMP *

[GazetaBitcoin]

ChipMixer opened its gates again. It's time for the Otoman horde to resurrect again their ChipMixer related topics from Reputation board. Or to start new ones I wonder which one will make the first racist complaint this time. Vispilio? Wolwoo? DragonDance?

We can make bets on this matter 😅

[coupable]

ChipMixer opened its gates again. It's time for the Otoman horde to resurrect again their ChipMixer related topics from Reputation board. Or to start new ones I wonder which one will make the first racist complaint this time. Vispilio? Wolwoo? DragonDance?

We can make bets on this matter 😅

I guess Darkstar won't fill the four opened slots at once. So just wait until the first  two slots to be filled and watch theoritical analysis here and there.
I bet that the first discussion will be opened in one of the local boards. I can't remember where i read the suggestion to move the chipmixer sig campaign debate to "politics and society" board 

[GazetaBitcoin]

I can't remember where i read the suggestion to move the chipmixer sig campaign debate to "politics and society" board 

Loooooooooool! Is that real? Jesus... It's (almost) unbelievable...

Oh well, moving forward on this path opened by someone wise else, then maybe a good suggestion would be to move this campaign in the Ivory Tower board, right? In that board you can talk only about very serious things and for sure ChipMixer is something very serious. Way more serious that the topics posted in Serious Discussion board. As a consequence, Ivory Tower would be a more suitable place.

[JollyGood]

After reading your post I applied so thank you  

There is going to be a lot of competition, it will not be easy getting selected but let us see what happens. I noticed the members you listed have already applied in the CM thread and the reputation thread just might start flowing like on a production line 

ChipMixer opened its gates again. It's time for the Otoman horde to resurrect again their ChipMixer related topics from Reputation board. Or to start new ones I wonder which one will make the first racist complaint this time. Vispilio? Wolwoo? DragonDance?

We can make bets on this matter 😅

[GazetaBitcoin]

After reading your post I applied so thank you 

Hehe the pleasure is mine. If you get elected you owe me 0.01 BTC