Did Satoshi just moved his coins?

[Juggy777]

I know many of you’ll will be pissed at the title, but before you vent your ire just have a look at the tweet and then decide for yourself. According to the tweet the wallet was dormant since 2009, but suddenly today bitcoins stored in the wallet have been moved so can anyone study this and confirm if it’s actually satoshis wallet, or this is another fud attempt and we should not pay any attention to it?.

Source:

https://twitter.com/whale_alert/status/1263120977849978880

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[franky1]

not satoshi


atleast 10 people were mining in february
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the bock in question is using the 'not satoshi pattern

[LoyceMobile]

I don't want to click the link, can you just post the txid or a link to blockchair?

[tomahawk9]

There was a flash crash on Bitstamp just now:


https://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitstamp/USD

Who tf panic sold because of this? Damn weak hands 

[adaseb]

I noticed this also, its pretty early miner. I don't imagine that back in February 2009 there was many people involved in bitcoin. Maybe it was Hal Finney's family members who have access to those private keys. I remember a year back or two someone from Hal Finney's family moved some BTC that belonged to the first transaction between Hal and Satoshi.

This was Hal Finney's BTC address,

1Q2TWHE3GMdB6BZKafqwxXtWAWgFt5Jvm3

This was when coins were moved from this wallet back in 2017,

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/70ec308460a38f6de25f89c6ed84bf68160c27834f13d17d5a713602e3a4786b

So if anything I think its just Hal Finney's coins being moved by his family.

The market isn't really reacting in a bad way, so if the market was convinced it was Satoshi it would of tanked probably at least +>$1000 by now. Maybe people with more experience can investigate further.

[philipma1957]

I don't want to click the link, can you just post the txid or a link to blockchair?

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh




coins were made in feb of 2009 sat idle until today.

It is possible some one  has been tossing random keys for years  with a lot of pc/hashpower and hit a long shot.

[franky1]

I don't want to click the link, can you just post the txid or a link to blockchair?

the spend today:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/cb1440c787d8a46977886405a34da89939e1b04907f567bf182ef27ce53a8d71

the initial input in 2009
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f38d6f043c070ce9805ee81f46db4d32d0c9f148d62bbfbc0378bc5847c7dc70

[philipma1957]

This was block number 3654


this link shows  blocks 3621 to 3700


https://www.blockchain.com/btc/blocks?page=12549

It would be interesting to check the status of these 80 blocks.

3621 was moved in 2015
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17t6mqu7C7m9b3i2nsZD3GbJkk7Zf9G5CW

3653 untouched

3654 moved today https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh

3655 untouched

3656 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/16hA7GTgPvwwQQiYLKoifmpf4i41zcZfMF
3657 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/12Mo25FhMY9Z378vksvbNS9qYtKd3todNS

3658 untouched
3659 untouched

3660 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1F1njnLEnoCsm69bSdY3MRkeXytbBPDSkb

3661 untouched

3662 was moved in 2013
 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JjoRz995zpFY1QNTa8vnTxssWZXQPwVQu

3663 untouched
3664 untouched

3665 was moved in 2011
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1BjpESo9nYoqLUp58YoqsnGSyHJYNqp9T9
 
3666 untouched
3667 untouched
3668 untouched

3669 was moved in 2013
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/198y3FQrgb1QNhCRo9EWnTB2ddc4vyH61a

3670 was moved in 2011
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JZFZDBVDt38QE3NQeVKLLhdrGbzXBcyz6



so  some of these blocks have been moved.

the market won't crash over this and only morons would panic sell.

[seoincorporation]

There was a flash crash on Bitstamp just now:


https://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitstamp/USD

Who tf panic sold because of this? Damn weak hands 

I can feel the panic in the air, let's see how long it takes to bitcoin to go down to 9k, i would say it will take less than 6h but we will see.

even if those are not satoshi coins, that miner could be a risk for the whales. That's why we will see some crazy moves today.

[YOSHIE]

Source:
https://twitter.com/whale_alert/status/1263120977849978880

Still in question "doubt".
Nobody can say it's official from @Satoshi.

Try to see this person's conversation.



No one is sure it is "Satoshi', maybe or not.what is clear is that more and more people are saying something to "Satoshi he is getting lost and far away, for the moment there is nothing that I have officially found about Satoshi, either on twitter, the media etc.
It all ends in nonsense, at the end the question 'is that Satoshi'. Lol.
I see the shipping address.

17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh

Almost all countries talk about this shipment from "Satoshi".
But none of them stated it was official from Satoshi, doubt.
example:

[Spanish]= https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249874.0

[Germani]= https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249873.0

[Economics]= https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249865.0

[Rusian]= https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130455.msg54468262#msg54468262

At the end of the story, is it shipping from 'satoshi.

[philipma1957]

This was block number 3654


this link shows  blocks 3621 to 3700


https://www.blockchain.com/btc/blocks?page=12549

It would be interesting to check the status of these 80 blocks.

3621 was moved in 2015
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17t6mqu7C7m9b3i2nsZD3GbJkk7Zf9G5CW

3653 untouched

3654 moved today https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh

3655 untouched

3656 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/16hA7GTgPvwwQQiYLKoifmpf4i41zcZfMF
3657 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/12Mo25FhMY9Z378vksvbNS9qYtKd3todNS

3658 untouched
3659 untouched

3660 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1F1njnLEnoCsm69bSdY3MRkeXytbBPDSkb

3661 untouched

3662 was moved in 2013
 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JjoRz995zpFY1QNTa8vnTxssWZXQPwVQu

3663 untouched
3664 untouched

3665 was moved in 2011
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1BjpESo9nYoqLUp58YoqsnGSyHJYNqp9T9
 
3666 untouched
3667 untouched
3668 untouched

3669 was moved in 2013
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/198y3FQrgb1QNhCRo9EWnTB2ddc4vyH61a

3670 was moved in 2011
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JZFZDBVDt38QE3NQeVKLLhdrGbzXBcyz6



so  some of these blocks have been moved.

the market won't crash over this and only morons would panic sell.

Looked at multiple blocks from 3621 to 3700  we had action in 2015  which is supposed to be after satoshi  vanished

so this is not a big deal.

Keeping looking for more block movement from blocks 1 to 5000

[BrewMaster]

Who tf panic sold because of this? Damn weak hands 

it may not look like it but a lot of idiots have been following this nonsense called "whale alert" and have been panic selling for things that don't make any sense compared to their latest nonsense
BTW i wouldn't call 2%-3% a "flash crash".

[nicecrypto]

Those this indicate that satoshi is alive? Because 2009 is such a long time for anyone to leave there coins without touching it, this is a bit strange though,  whomever is the owner this wallet have to wait this long before moving their coins, if not satoshi then who!

[The Cryptovator]

The articles has published an hour ago on cointelegraph. According to them their is 3 possible candidates who would be owner of this address- Satoshi, Hal Fenny & Martti Malmi. Who know if they aren't not alive and this address is controlled by someone from their family? My personal opinion is, there is huge possibility that this address owner is satoshi.

[Morama]

My personal opinion is, there is huge possibility that this address owner is satoshi.

Your personal opinion is a huge possibility? What is huge? 1/3 .. 1/10?

Its already shown that the block wasn't mined by satoshis main-miner. Makes it more unlikely it is satoshi himself. Its more likely (in my opinion ) that its someone who has done a well timed move and don't need that coins - means he has access to much more BTC. One of the few early miners ... Coins from the same miner were moved already in the past in 2011 and 2015 (thats after satoshi dissappeared)

[RapTarX]

I see, I was thinking what was the reason behind the faster fall. I have seen this in other thread too and I guess someone initially mined bitcoin has got access of their wallet. Otherwise, they would move back in 2017. Nevertheless, 50 BTC tx mustn't be a reason of panic selling. C'mon bitcoiners.

I don't want to click the link, can you just post the txid or a link to blockchair?

No one linked a blockchair link- https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/cb1440c787d8a46977886405a34da89939e1b04907f567bf182ef27ce53a8d71
 

[Boakse]

I found a strange message in the Internet Archive a few days back, was kinda strange message...

" POORTMOLEN AT THE HOSPITAL CAPELLE AAN DEN IJSSEL NETHERLANDS RECEPTIONISTENS PEOPLE AND MR.ED FOUNDED 9.8 M. BTC WITE PAPER  BTC ADRES +PRIVATE KEY TAKED THE INFORMATION FROM SATOSHI AT 24-02-2020 3-4 VISITS AT THE COMPUTER  ROOM FINDED!26 FEBRUARY AND 27 FEBRUARY THERE FOR WHALE TRANSFER 863Miljoen and 418m HTC transfer there for! "

https://archive.org/details/satoshinakamoto1

Could this have something to do whit this all?

[TheBeardedBaby]

It wasn't Martti : https://twitter.com/marttimalmi/status/1263159959602298886?s=20

[philipma1957]

Well while interesting it is not a big deal.  Blocks in the 3621 to 3700 range like this one were moved in 2015.

By 2015 Satoshi was vanished so did he move block 3621 In 2015?

Maybe  he did move it.


Maybe someone  with a lot of hash power hit the key.  I know hitting a key is hard.  In theory 10,000 threadripper 3970x would need thousands of years to hit it.

Or has someone come up with a faster way to crack a key?

If they simply got lucky and hit a key via brute force with a large pc setup.  It won't be happening anytime soon again.
If they have a better way to crack keys  and can crack wallets quickly  we will soon find out.

Most likely this is Satoshi or a relative of the early miners.

Seems to me If I could make blocks with ease  Like was done back in 2009 I would have hid away a few dozen blocks on unknown pc's.  Just so I could do this type of action today.

[mindrust]

If they simply got lucky and hit a key via brute force with a large pc setup.  It won't be happening anytime soon again.

Wat?

If somebody brute forced this, then that means they can brute force an earlier block too.

How can you guarantee it won't happen anytime soon again?

This block (3654) is only 1 month old. I'd say this is either satoshi, or Craig is about to make a comeback.

[Twentyonepaylots]

The articles has published an hour ago on cointelegraph. According to them their is 3 possible candidates who would be owner of this address- Satoshi, Hal Fenny & Martti Malmi. Who know if they aren't not alive and this address is controlled by someone from their family?

I was trying to think another person coz we all know that Hal Finney is deceased but then I remember he inherited his bitcoins to his family so there is a possibility that this move was made from Hal's side. There is only a few people that knows bitcoin at that time, so if it wasn't from Hal then it might be from Satoshi Nakamoto himself but I doubt this. And lol, this caused a little panic I guess coz the price just decreased after an hour of us knowing this information.

My personal opinion is, there is huge possibility that this address owner is satoshi.

I really doubt this, but no one can really tell. What a bright side of using bitcoin!

[DarkDays]

Although it's definitely an old user, I don't get why it necessary needs to be Satoshi or any other major early participant?

No doubt there were hundreds of people involved in Bitcoin before the first 10,000 blocks were mined. It isn't unreasonable to assume that some of these finally rediscovered their old stash and looked to cash out.

After all, that is $500k worth of Bitcoin. Few people have the personal net worth necessary to continue waiting and watching after discovering such a sum.

In any case, I'm sure the blockchain analytics platforms and even some unpaid detectives here on Bitcointalk will be all over it, looking for any link they can to potentially put a name to the transaction.

[dunfida]

Although it's definitely an old user, I don't get why it necessary needs to be Satoshi or any other major early participant?

Get used to it on where anytime do events happen then there would really be a specific number of reasons accompanied with it which people do presume on without even thinking that this
might be really just an early adopter who do just recently remember that he do still have some bitcoins on his old wallet which is stored into his old HDD or found out again
the piece of paper on where he do store up his keys and also why people do overreact too much on small percentage decrease in price and calling it a FUD?

[Krislaw]

Probably one of the early miners and just found the USB he stored some BTC in, maybe didn't take it serious in the beginning and could have mined more.

 Some are claiming the it was passed down from someone buy I don't believe believe because it's hard to pass down such to a next of kin. It's even small to manipulate the market.

[andycarrol]

I think the case that is happening right now is that the owner is not Satoshi Nakamoto but someone else who in my opinion has had bitcoin for a very long time and may also be the result of mining in the past few years and is in need of money so that he can send money to an exchange to make a profit. .

[yazher]

This is not him because at that time there were already some people who mined bitcoin but not as much as it is like we have today. those BTC might be from the one who has mined it in the earlier that year. Satoshi won't give us some clue like that, that was too easy you know but that transaction is worth knowing whoever owns it just to remove doubt to the crypto community. I'm sure right not there lots or rumors about this blast from the past transactions and some people might silently tracking behind who owns that BTC.

[philipma1957]

If they simply got lucky and hit a key via brute force with a large pc setup.  It won't be happening anytime soon again.

Wat?

If somebody brute forced this, then that means they can brute force an earlier block too.

How can you guarantee it won't happen anytime soon again?

This block (3654) is only 1 month old. I'd say this is either satoshi, or Craig is about to make a comeback.

I generate 100 keys a month and test them for shits and giggles .  The math says they won't ever find a block in over a billion x billion x billion years and then some.
I know others fuck around with this and do a lot more then 100 keys a month.

I would estimate that the odds that is was brute forced by standard methods are next to impossible.

Now if some guy got clever and figured a better way to brute force an address he may not control the address he opens. and he opened an old one.

It is far more likely this is someone that had direct contact to the first five miners of btc  and they wanted some money.

[MCobian]

Can not be made evidence only based on wallet was dormant since 2009, it does not prove anything. I even doubt it belongs to satoshi,
according to my guess this is someone else. We have to do a deeper investigation regarding this matter, especially when in 2009 there
were several people who does mining, not only satoshi nakamoto.

[philipma1957]

Not satoshi but I don't understand the market response to this, even if was Satoshi the address moved "only" 50 Bitcoin, which is not an amount to break the market or something like that, If Satoshi moves his coin I don't think he would don't dump it just like that he is smart.

there is no market response to this.  it is more likely the small price drop is due to the difficulty dropping from 16.1 to 15.1. and looking like the difficulty is headed for a huge drop to 13.0. or less


While difficulty may chase price most of the time.

I have found occasionally  price will drop and  follow a difficulty drop right after 1/2 ing's occur.


If lots of blocks from 1 to 5000 are cashed out in the following months I would say there is a concern.

if not it is just a blip in the matrix.

[Debonaire217]

This is not him because at that time there were already some people who mined bitcoin but not as much as it is like we have today. those BTC might be from the one who has mined it in the earlier that year. Satoshi won't give us some clue like that, that was too easy you know but that transaction is worth knowing whoever owns it just to remove doubt to the crypto community. I'm sure right not there lots or rumors about this blast from the past transactions and some people might silently tracking behind who owns that BTC.

When we are in Satoshi's shoes, I can't think of ways we can withdraw our bitcoins or somehow move it without being tracked, there's a possibility that it could be satoshi, or just an early miner. But if we are on the 10 year time frame holding that much bitcoins, it takes too much courage and discipline to continue holding it up to 10 years, so I guess, the person behind this activity does really have a good understanding and speculation of the market to hodl that long.

[philipma1957]

This is not him because at that time there were already some people who mined bitcoin but not as much as it is like we have today. those BTC might be from the one who has mined it in the earlier that year. Satoshi won't give us some clue like that, that was too easy you know but that transaction is worth knowing whoever owns it just to remove doubt to the crypto community. I'm sure right not there lots or rumors about this blast from the past transactions and some people might silently tracking behind who owns that BTC.

When we are in Satoshi's shoes, I can't think of ways we can withdraw our bitcoins or somehow move it without being tracked, there's a possibility that it could be satoshi, or just an early miner. But if we are on the 10 year time frame holding that much bitcoins, it takes too much courage and discipline to continue holding it up to 10 years, so I guess, the person behind this activity does really have a good understanding and speculation of the market to hodl that long.

It is block 3654.

Made in Feb 2009.  

Block 3621 was cashed out in 2015.

I think more then 300 or more blocks have been cashed from 1-4000

If some one was mining back in 2009 the first month no less , then having 100 blocks right now is not unlikely.

So a cash-out once or twice a year would not be unusual.

[squatter]

I expected Craig Wright to take credit for the transaction. As a matter of fact, the inputs came from an address he claims to own. However, he is denying any involvement:

But in a Twitter response to Blockstream’s Adam Back, Ayre said it had nothing to do with Wright:

"It was NOT Satoshi, I just spoke with him and Craig confirmed not him."

However the address in question, 17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh, is among the 16,000 listed in a court document in the Kleinman v. Wright case, that Wright claims as his own.

The Catch-22 in this situation is that Wright has denied in court he has access to the private keys to the addresses, so if he said he moved the 50 BTC he’d be in trouble. However if someone else moved the coins, that would indicate the address does not belong to him, again leaving him in a potentially sticky legal situation.

[PLJ]

Probably a Cypherpunk member like Nick Szabo, Adam Back, Hal Finney, but not Satoshi. If Satoshi comes back, he does it splendidly, not with 50BTC.

[slackovic]

not satoshi


atleast 10 people were mining in february
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the bock in question is using the 'not satoshi pattern

Sorry for the off-topic, but could you please elaborate a bit more about this? Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

[distributedconsensus]

It may just be someone who has discovered a loophole or small flaw in the way Coinbase transactions were created in the first months of mining. I will take a look into that, I truly do not think that addresses were created separately, and then manually introduced in the mining program, so probably some bad random generator thingy that can lead us to the most probable area in the elliptic curve to look for the private key. I guess someone has just figured it out and will cash slowly and secretly. I think it is well deserved, like finding an old galeon sunk in the middle of the ocean and extracting those gold coins and selling them in the market for profit.

[squatter]

Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

The theory is based on research published by Sergio Demián Lerner. Here is some background:

The latest paper, called “The Return of the Deniers and the Revenge of Patoshi,” at first discusses Lerner’s original study and how he originally came to his previous conclusion. Lerner detailed how he found the information in the extranonce field and how certain flaws revealed information in a “non-privacy preserving way.”

However, Lerner’s latest study “proves with overwhelming probability” that a single miner extracted all of the coins in his Patoshi pattern, which is well over a million BTC. The researcher’s new argument is based on computer clocks because even in the early days miners used a local computer’s clock to timestamp blocks after processing them.

“There are no time inversions between Patoshi blocks — Zero — This result is very relevant considering the Patoshi blocks account for 43% of all the blocks in the first 50k. I’m open to considering other explanations, but for me, this can only mean one thing — There is a single PC clock whose time is stamped in the Patoshi blocks.” Lerner’s paper continues: “A single software that controls how block templates are created — A single miner.”

The evidence is fairly convincing, but I wouldn't consider the theory bulletproof.

[Lucius]

Sorry for the off-topic, but could you please elaborate a bit more about this? Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

I was also not aware of the fact that it is possible to identify the blocks that is mined by Satoshi, but they say there is something called Patoshi pattern, and that Satoshi blocks can be identified by specific data called nonce. However, they say that this is not a method that can determine with complete certainty that it is not Satoshi block.

[slackovic]

Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

The theory is based on research published by Sergio Demián Lerner. Here is some background:

The latest paper, called “The Return of the Deniers and the Revenge of Patoshi,” at first discusses Lerner’s original study and how he originally came to his previous conclusion. Lerner detailed how he found the information in the extranonce field and how certain flaws revealed information in a “non-privacy preserving way.”

However, Lerner’s latest study “proves with overwhelming probability” that a single miner extracted all of the coins in his Patoshi pattern, which is well over a million BTC. The researcher’s new argument is based on computer clocks because even in the early days miners used a local computer’s clock to timestamp blocks after processing them.

“There are no time inversions between Patoshi blocks — Zero — This result is very relevant considering the Patoshi blocks account for 43% of all the blocks in the first 50k. I’m open to considering other explanations, but for me, this can only mean one thing — There is a single PC clock whose time is stamped in the Patoshi blocks.” Lerner’s paper continues: “A single software that controls how block templates are created — A single miner.”

The evidence is fairly convincing, but I wouldn't consider the theory bulletproof.

Wow! I really didn't know about this until now. That's pretty fascinating... Thank you for the explanation.

Sorry for the off-topic, but could you please elaborate a bit more about this? Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

I was also not aware of the fact that it is possible to identify the blocks that is mined by Satoshi, but they say there is something called Patoshi pattern, and that Satoshi blocks can be identified by specific data called nonce. However, they say that this is not a method that can determine with complete certainty that it is not Satoshi block.

It's funny that everything around Satoshi is so secret. I'm really amazed that in ten years no one managed to identify who Satoshi really is.

[Connaught]

Some of these coins have been moved to Coinbase (through a least two intermediaries), so Coinbase might know.  The rest (approx. BTC 40) are just sat in this address: 1BzN95J72BLBafwgZiZZvM9s7Wj2bxzA6m

[Atrax]

Some of these coins have been moved to Coinbase (through a least two intermediaries), so Coinbase might know.  The rest (approx. BTC 40) are just sat in this address: 1BzN95J72BLBafwgZiZZvM9s7Wj2bxzA6m

That it went to Coinbase really worries me. One should think that a person who started so early knew better....

[Leviathan.007]

It can't be from Satoshi just because it was mined on 2009. Bitcoin had many other miners back in 2009.
All we know is the Bitcoins belong to some old miners but it doesn't mean that Satoshi mined them himself.

[BitcoinFX]

From the twittersphere ...

"Nope. Bitcoin was announced on the cryptography mailing list in January 2009 and many people could have tested it. I found Bitcoin around April. @Cointelegraph"



- https://twitter.com/marttimalmi/status/1263159959602298886

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"Indeed. These folks call themselves journalists!

The BTC block in question was mined on Feb. 9th 2009.

In addition to SF, the 'cypherpunk' list and the P2P foundation - it's worth pointing out that http://bitcoin.org was also already live ...
- https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/"

- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1263429814188421120

...

"0800-CALLCRAIG, Calvin, better check with #Faketoshi if it's not on his fake & debunked Tulip Trust list!"



- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1263143402117398534

 

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"So the drama around the 50BTC that moved from a early wallet gets even better....Craig submitted to court a while back this address belonged to him - And now Calvin says he spoke to Craig and he says it wasn't him ..."



- https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1263388598453207042

 

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- https://cointelegraph.com/news/craig-wright-denies-transferring-satoshi-coins-leaving-him-in-legal-catch-22/

[SiNeReiNZzz]

This was block number 3654


this link shows  blocks 3621 to 3700


https://www.blockchain.com/btc/blocks?page=12549

It would be interesting to check the status of these 80 blocks.

3621 was moved in 2015
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17t6mqu7C7m9b3i2nsZD3GbJkk7Zf9G5CW

3653 untouched

3654 moved today https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh

3655 untouched

3656 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/16hA7GTgPvwwQQiYLKoifmpf4i41zcZfMF
3657 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/12Mo25FhMY9Z378vksvbNS9qYtKd3todNS

3658 untouched
3659 untouched

3660 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1F1njnLEnoCsm69bSdY3MRkeXytbBPDSkb

3661 untouched

3662 was moved in 2013
 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JjoRz995zpFY1QNTa8vnTxssWZXQPwVQu

3663 untouched
3664 untouched

3665 was moved in 2011
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1BjpESo9nYoqLUp58YoqsnGSyHJYNqp9T9
 
3666 untouched
3667 untouched
3668 untouched

3669 was moved in 2013
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/198y3FQrgb1QNhCRo9EWnTB2ddc4vyH61a

3670 was moved in 2011
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JZFZDBVDt38QE3NQeVKLLhdrGbzXBcyz6



so  some of these blocks have been moved.

the market won't crash over this and only morons would panic sell.

A very interesting research.

But to express my guess, I think Satoshi would use his Bitcoins for charity at most! (if he still has control over it)
I don't think Satoshi would want to harm his work in the slightest.

I would speculate on an early adopter of the first hours.

The field can definitely be narrowed down, but I don't think anyone can tell for sure who made this transaction! Unless the sender reveals himself...

But even this mere speculation about this is fun!

[kryptqnick]

I've looked through all the posts in the thread, and while it seems clear it's not Satoshi, it is one of the early adopters (or someone close to an early adopter who has access to coins) which is exciting to me. When going through transactions linked to the addresses, I've noticed something many people could miss due to language and political background. Namely, 17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh sent 11-year-old BTC to 1BzN95J72BLBafwgZiZZvM9s7Wj2bxzA6m (40 BTC) and 3A6AsxxxzgHnGKhiFyW4tYX1Hn2sjNfrQP (almost 10 BTC). But this old address also received a few very small transactions about 17 hours ago from 1PutinHujnU54vbyr6DX1gF2esqxx7KEz (correct me if I got the transaction info wrong). Now, the part of the transaction I marked in bold hints to its owner being a Ukrainian (or a sympathizer) because it means 'Putin is a d*ck' (but in a more offensive way), and it's a Ukrainian political thing since 2014. Interestingly enough, this address was previously spotted in another case this year, sending some small amounts of money to Warren Buffett: https://cryptonews.com/news/what-have-vladimir-putin-warren-buffett-and-justin-sun-got-i-5877.htm. It's probably nothing, but in case someone wants to dig in, it could be a clue.

[posi]

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

[philipma1957]

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

This is having zero effect on the market.

The ½ ing has dropped the diff.

I have spent more then five years studying difficulty drops more then anything else to predict price.

We are simply mirroring exactly what happen to litecoin last year after the lite coin 1/2ing


both difficulty and price dropped like mad.

LOOK AT LTC charts last year.

July 2019 pre 1/2ing 100 usd plus   difficulty 16.5 million
August 2019 after ½ ing 60 usd plus difficulty  11..4 million


we are simply doing a variation of that.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I'd say this is either satoshi, or Craig is about to make a comeback.

It's not Craig either > https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1263167631076364288?s=20

[posi]

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

This is having zero effect on the market.

The ½ ing has dropped the diff.

I have spent more then five years studying difficulty drops more then anything else to predict price.

We are simply mirroring exactly what happen to litecoin last year after the lite coin 1/2ing


both difficulty and price dropped like mad.

LOOK AT LTC charts last year.

July 2019 pre 1/2ing 100 usd plus   difficulty 16.5 million
August 2019 after ½ ing 60 usd plus difficulty  11..4 million


we are simply doing a variation of that.

Oh ok. I make the previous statement cause i once hear that the bitcoins in Satoshi wallet may somehow affect price of bitcoin market but due to your respond i think the exit of some miners after bitcoin halving which will lead to difficulty reduction was the reason why some people believe the halving effect to have already priced in but if we judge base on the difficulty decrease that happen 2013 and 2018

[philipma1957]

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

This is having zero effect on the market.

The ½ ing has dropped the diff.

I have spent more then five years studying difficulty drops more then anything else to predict price.

We are simply mirroring exactly what happen to litecoin last year after the lite coin 1/2ing


both difficulty and price dropped like mad.

LOOK AT LTC charts last year.

July 2019 pre 1/2ing 100 usd plus   difficulty 16.5 million
August 2019 after ½ ing 60 usd plus difficulty  11..4 million


we are simply doing a variation of that.

Oh ok. I make the previous statement cause i once hear that the bitcoins in Satoshi wallet may somehow affect price of bitcoin market but due to your respond i think the exit of some miners after bitcoin halving which will lead to difficulty reduction was the reason why some people believe the halving effect to have already priced in but if we judge base on the difficulty decrease that happen 2013 and 2018

Tell you what. if 3 or 4 more low count blocks move. you would be correct I think people would panic.

I wonder how many blocks from 1 to 10,000 can be cashed out. ie people have keys.

[Assface16678]

We are now getting an unexpected market movement of the coins from the highest market price that is over reaching out over into 9.9k dollars now it is already low for over 8.8k which is unexpected market movement of the coins and if you are getting curious there are a large amount of the market investment already pulled out within a single day which makes a lot of conclusion and rumors about the market that Satoshi Nakamoto investment already fall back its money from the year of 2009.
There are a lot of transactions noticed because of this kind of movement and we can observe this.

There are a lot of humor that the creator of the bitcoin will now show off it's personally again because of these a lot of address created and now most of the wallets are already have 0 balances.

[posi]

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

This is having zero effect on the market.

The ½ ing has dropped the diff.

I have spent more then five years studying difficulty drops more then anything else to predict price.

We are simply mirroring exactly what happen to litecoin last year after the lite coin 1/2ing


both difficulty and price dropped like mad.

LOOK AT LTC charts last year.

July 2019 pre 1/2ing 100 usd plus   difficulty 16.5 million
August 2019 after ½ ing 60 usd plus difficulty  11..4 million


we are simply doing a variation of that.

Oh ok. I make the previous statement cause i once hear that the bitcoins in Satoshi wallet may somehow affect price of bitcoin market but due to your respond i think the exit of some miners after bitcoin halving which will lead to difficulty reduction was the reason why some people believe the halving effect to have already priced in but if we judge base on the difficulty decrease that happen 2013 and 2018

Tell you what. if 3 or 4 more low count blocks move. you would be correct I think people would panic.

I wonder how many blocks from 1 to 10,000 can be cashed out. ie people have keys.

It still good that my presumption is not correct though but i said exit of miners because theres a user i knew on this forum who's usually interested in everything that have to do with mining but he suddenly decided to join signature campaign now. 
Meanwhile, from the look of things the market demand slightly increase, any reason for that?

[SiNeReiNZzz]

For my one I am just gonna sit back and relax. 

I will no longer expect a serious loss here anyway.
It's all too big for that, and as I said before, why would Satoshi destroy his masterpiece?

I just can't imagine that after all these years of success!

[kemoglo]

There was a flash crash on Bitstamp just now:


https://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitstamp/USD

Who tf panic sold because of this? Damn weak hands  

rofl, someone probably did a fat finger. (Is that even possible on Bitstamp?) let's cut the guy a bit of slack ha

[UserU]

For my one I am just gonna sit back and relax. 

I will no longer expect a serious loss here anyway.
It's all too big for that, and as I said before, why would Satoshi destroy his masterpiece?

I just can't imagine that after all these years of success!

It's just a mere transfer of coins, I don't think that's related to any sort of destruction

[Yatsan]

For my one I am just gonna sit back and relax. 

I will no longer expect a serious loss here anyway.
It's all too big for that, and as I said before, why would Satoshi destroy his masterpiece?

I just can't imagine that after all these years of success!

It's just a mere transfer of coins, I don't think that's related to any sort of destruction

I think he is thinking if satoshi is going to sell of his coin in just one go, then the market would collapse.

There's a lot of whales here in crypto industry so satoshi selling his bitcoin would not be a total destruction to all of us. I think it will dump the price but that would not certainly destroy the market. And it's a just movement! nothing is going to happen LOL, satoshi is a genius! if he want to sell it he will do it in a small fraction every day or even months. He will never dump his coin in one transaction. 

[adzino]

Are you sure this is his personal account? I'm not sure.

Read the whole post. No one knows if it is actually Satoshis coin or someone elses. If some says those coins for sure belongs to Satoshi, then that guy is just trying to spread FUDs. Might me one of those early miners, or maybe Satoshi himself, who knows..

-snip-
But to express my guess, I think Satoshi would use his Bitcoins for charity at most! (if he still has control over it)
I don't think Satoshi would want to harm his work in the slightest.
-snip-

I highly doubt Satoshi would even touch his stash. If he starts moving his coins, people would start panicking.

[Leonardo7]

Some of these coins have been moved to Coinbase (through a least two intermediaries), so Coinbase might know.  The rest (approx. BTC 40) are just sat in this address: 1BzN95J72BLBafwgZiZZvM9s7Wj2bxzA6m

As long as this was moved to Coinbase, then this can't be Satoshi who is believed to have been dead. Why will Satoshi want to review his identity now? And through a chsp means? I don't believe he is Satoshi.

[UserU]

I think he is thinking if satoshi is going to sell of his coin in just one go, then the market would collapse.

There's a lot of whales here in crypto industry so satoshi selling his bitcoin would not be a total destruction to all of us. I think it will dump the price but that would not certainly destroy the market. And it's a just movement! nothing is going to happen LOL, satoshi is a genius! if he want to sell it he will do it in a small fraction every day or even months. He will never dump his coin in one transaction. 

Yup, it won't destroy the market but I can see lots of bloodshed happening because, Satoshi

[Review Master]

I highly doubt Satoshi would even touch his stash. If he starts moving his coins, people would start panicking.

Huge panicking already happened and bitcoin actually dump for some hours , but it's started to recover the dump when the news of Satoshi Nakamoto didn't move Bitcoin started to spread on the internet and many users stopped to sell off their cryptos. But it's a good chance for the traders/institutions to buy bitcoin in deep. 

[supine]

I know many of you’ll will be pissed at the title, but before you vent your ire just have a look at the tweet and then decide for yourself. According to the tweet the wallet was dormant since 2009, but suddenly today bitcoins stored in the wallet have been moved so can anyone study this and confirm if it’s actually satoshis wallet, or this is another fud attempt and we should not pay any attention to it?.

Source:

https://twitter.com/whale_alert/status/1263120977849978880

They stated that it could be Satoshi's Wallet but it could also be one of the early adopter of Bitcoin who mostly forget about it for a very long time.
But it could also be Satoshi moving some small Bitcoin due to financial crisis, I think if this is the real Satoshi it would take some time again before we see some old wallet moves another Bitcoin because it is just for a personal use and he/she doesn't really want to affect the price or make some price movement  FUD/FOMO.

[verita1]

I also thought the same, 50 BTC is a small amount for Satoshi. But I was impressed while I watched the first transaction from Coinbase
2009-02-09 14:25

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f38d6f043c070ce9805ee81f46db4d32d0c9f148d62bbfbc0378bc5847c7dc70

[Artemis3]

Hmpf, panicking over this...

What if this early miner is suddenly in a difficult situation without income because of the pandemic and needed some cash?

As if had said many times before, when your money does not lose value over time, you will aim to spend only whats necesary. I don't think this is any different, which is also the reason the rest of the 40 ₿ remain.

Of course it would be smart to move the whole thing into a modern wallet, but whatever.

Also no, the Spanish thread is a faithful translation of this one, no one there said it was from Satoshi...

[distributedconsensus]

***************
One more time
***************

1. I am puzzled that to this very day, so many years after the introduction of BTC people still do not get it, Satoshi, if alive, is not interested in cashing out from a Blockchain based system. Fiat money is going to have no value at all one day and all transactions will be in what we now call cryptocurrencies. May be Bitcoin, or another one, that is something we yet do not know...

2. To spend the balance in the transaction we are talking about included in block 3654, we need to remember that it was a coinbase transaction as a block reward to the computer, laptop, that mined it that day. The TX

Code:

f38d6f043c070ce9805ee81f46db4d32d0c9f148d62bbfbc0378bc5847c7dc70

contains the pkScript with the raw Public Keys corresponding to the address that the miner specified or randomly generated (most probably). Someone has just discovered a way to validate the transaction without having access to the private keys for this specific transaction. It has happened before and whoever did it deserves the prize. I believe it has something to do with the ac at the beginning of the uncompressed public key in the pkScript, you could somehow cheat the verification into believing it s OP_CHECKSIG and somehow circumvent an error... not sure how exactly yet but I will publish my results.

Obviously she rushed to cash out because it will be a matter of time till someone else will discover how it happened and will publish it. In my opinion the reward, as I said, is deserved and it will increase the Blockchain understanding overall in the long run.

[fortunecrypto]

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh


coins were made in feb of 2009 sat idle until today.

It is possible some one  has been tossing random keys for years  with a lot of pc/hashpower and hit a long shot.

It's possible, my speculation is someone lost his key and after many years of looking for it just got it and now moving it at last, one lucky guy who cash it out after a long wait, happened to me on one coin that I lost my key.

[philipma1957]

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh


coins were made in feb of 2009 sat idle until today.

It is possible some one  has been tossing random keys for years  with a lot of pc/hashpower and hit a long shot.

It's possible, my speculation is someone lost his key and after many years of looking for it just got it and now moving it at last, one lucky guy who cash it out after a long wait, happened to me on one coin that I lost my key.

I have 2 eth coins stuck in a wallet.

I try to get them out every once in a while

[lumeire]

I know many of you’ll will be pissed at the title, but before you vent your ire just have a look at the tweet and then decide for yourself. According to the tweet the wallet was dormant since 2009, but suddenly today bitcoins stored in the wallet have been moved so can anyone study this and confirm if it’s actually satoshis wallet, or this is another fud attempt and we should not pay any attention to it?.

Source:

https://twitter.com/whale_alert/status/1263120977849978880

This couldn't be the wallet that Satoshi was holding as if he had to move his coins then why did he moved the coins from just a single wallet, he is having a huge supply of bitcoins that is known to the public. So I guess it's another user from the early days which would have the urgency to spend his coins that he was holding back from the starting days of bitcoin. I dont think there is any reason to freak out just because some guy moved the coins from a single wallet, if the coins would have been moved from many of the wallets that mined the initial blocks then the scenario would have been different.

[bittraffic]

We still didn't run out of things to spread just to make people panic though. There must be worse and funnier than this one but still works. We here in the forum are just a tiny percentage of the whole population who somehow had interest in investing BTC and when they hear things like Satoshi cashing out his coins from someone they trust, it would appear real.

[7788bitcoin]

We still didn't run out of things to spread just to make people panic though. There must be worse and funnier than this one but still works. We here in the forum are just a tiny percentage of the whole population who somehow had interest in investing BTC and when they hear things like Satoshi cashing out his coins from someone they trust, it would appear real.

If you see some coins moving from the initial blocks then there is an assumption that the coins were held by Satoshi and the news sites will start writing speculative news about it to have some clicks and now we have a signed message from more than 100 wallets during the initial period challenging CSW and his lies and if that was Satoshi he would have simply said that rather than letting us dry.

[franky1]

not satoshi


atleast 10 people were mining in february
satoshi:


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not satoshi


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the block in question is using the 'not satoshi pattern

Sorry for the off-topic, but could you please elaborate a bit more about this? Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

so if you look at the 'sigscript' of the coinbase tx block reward for block 3654
you will see
ffff001d
dd01

if you take the second hex(dd01) - also known as the 'extra nonce'
and convert it to little endian you will get 477

now if you do every block and convert each extra nonce to little endian
youstart to see sequences.

these sequences are where they increment per block try. and only reset to 0 if the miner completely stops mining(maybe bug fixes the program and runs it again)
so if you want more info. this guy first explained it best years ago. and he even has a excel spreadsheet with the block extranonces converted into numberic form.
https://bitslog.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/

so when you look at the block that we know satoshi paid hal with. and follow its sequence and reset and seqence you notice satoshi's pattern
then when you start to see other sequences in between thats other users

for instance
block  satoshi  u1   u2    u3    u4     u5
3641   2339               
3642   2346               
3643   2349               
3644                                   520   
3645   2352               
3646   2353               
3647   2360               
3648                   35         
3649                          118      
3650   2361               
3651                   38         
3652                   39         
3653   2367               
3654           477            
3655   2372               
3656                   43         
3657                                            1755               
3658   2384               
3659   2387               
3660                   47         
3661   2410               
3662           485            
3663   2420               
3664   2424               
3665                                    542   
3666   2426               
3667   2428               
3668   2429               
3669           492            
3670                            139      
3671   2431               
3672                    62         

so on that ~5hours of that day there were 5 people successfully mining blocks regularly
remember satoshi's sequence(in the 2k range) did not reset. so he continued mining. meaning it was other users mining with different sequences

[FanatMonet]

No, this is not Satoshi's wallet. This is one of the old miners who mined together in Satoshi, but it's definitely not him. Too thoroughly, all the wallets over the years have been studied. Therefore, this is not Satoshi, but also a rather significant figure.

[Utoy101]

https://twitter.com/whale_alert/status/1263120977849978880

With the worth and the how long the bitcoin has been staying dormant in that wallet indicates and attributes it to satoshi Nakamoto but i've seen lot of Veterans analyze the transaction since then and came to the conclusion that it dosen't belong to Satoshi

[Tolosi]

Maybe Satoshi was also mining intermittently  on some other and slower computer like old laptop and on more than one different location. He could now spend those "other" bitcoins and avoid being discovered. May be that is what happens here.

[lyka]

I have long had a question: what practical benefits and benefits can appear from the fact that the public learns something new about Satoshi’s possible means, about his true face, about what he wrote bitcoin or not? What does all this give? It will help change bitcoin, make it perfect?

[Anish_Rocky]

I found this on internet related to this topic by cointelegraph.


https://cointelegraph.com/news/did-satoshi-just-move-his-coins-for-the-first-time-in-11-years

[JumangiMan]

I think yes. It seems Nakamoto himself is in charge of the recent alt pumps
Read this and ensure !
https://newsblockchain.io/news/nakamoto-moved-his-tokens-first-time-in-11-years

[so98nn]

Apart from curiosity is this topic even have any meaning to real life suppositions. I mean this is not the only thread with such analysis regarding Satoshi but many. And all of them have ended up with nothing but some debate where half of people say it’s satoshi and half says it’s not.


Hm, I guess reading the comments and putting a bet and beer on who will win in this thread is more fun now a days. Love it.