'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"'

[guigui371]

Good on you! I believe that more people ~snip~

I stopped when I realized that the shift against police was being purposely turned trendy to weaponize it to sow division and create chaos, also when everyone suddenly thought it was ok to hate all police. It became propaganda, not just reality based criticism. Weird how people act like you are the enemy when they get treated like the enemy isn't it?

I would like to thank you for developing a great answer to my questions.
You are 100% correct, the overgeneralization of a "minority" is never a good idea.

10 bad cops in NYC, doesn't mean that all the cops in all the states are crooked, black (or Hispanic) killers.
This week, the world discovered the "basketball" cops and his newly founded charity.

In the same time, 10 bad Muslims doesn't mean that 1.2 billion people are terrorists.
And 10 white American "lone wolf shooters" doesn't mean that all the white Americans like to shoot kids at uni for sporting.

Shortcuts are always the recipe for fuck ups.  

Please quote exactly the statement where I defended dirty cops.

I guess It was a shortcut from me.
you are against all the "good" people expressing their 1st by peacefully walking the street against cops brutality.
Hence you are "for" what they are against.
The whole situation isn't all black and white (not referring to skin color here).

I am pro-freedom of speech, however when there in nation wide civil unrest which is directly endangering the lives of thousands of people, possibly millions if it expands, then the protestors should go home, at least until the rioting stops. These people, if not violent criminal themselves, are directly and in some cases purposely serving as direct cover for rioting.

This is what these ANTIFA cowards do. They come to protests of ANY KIND left or right, hide among the crowd, pop out and beat, stab, burn, and steal. Then they slip away back into the masses to escape. ANTIFA is also closely affiliated and organized with BLM. They also share some funding sources. These are not innocent protests. This is PR cover for violent unrest.

This is the exact issue of these "solidarity" walks.
And this happens in all states in all countries and for whatever the purpose of the walk is.
you will always find people that go there to cause unrest, destruction, intimidation.

however, calling all the peaceful walkers terrorists is something else.

People need to wake the fuck up quick and realize this is an organized effort to destabilize our nation and soften it up for it being taken down. Take a look at the historical patterns used in "color revolutions" all over the world. A more recent example is "The Arab Spring". That is happening here, and it is NOT organic. This is NOT going to result in anything you like. What it will however result in is society breaking down, and death, destruction, poverty, and starvation becoming commonplace, but you can at least rest assured that you were trying to fight for justice when that does happen.

More media propaganda exposed...

"No Tear Gas Used Ahead of Trump’s Church Visit: Police"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-tear-gas-used-ahead-of-trumps-church-visit-police_3374470.html

Something is going up, someone is taking advantage of this unrest for political purposes.
Who ? this is the 1 billion $ question.



Final point, if I was in the USA (I'm not). I would definitely live in a major city, probably not NYC, Memphis, LA or any of those huge one.
Something a little bit low key, more family, smaller.
I would definitely, in support of the family of the deceased, partake in a peaceful walk. Definitely go home as soon as the unrest start.
I would feel betrayed by the government if, by doing so, I was accused of terrorism by affiliation.

Once something or someone is defined as a terrorist, aiding, assisting, supporting it makes of yourself a terrorist.
So much for a 1 st amendment.

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No violence.  Not even any arrests.  The mayor marched and the cops knelt with the protesters for 9 minutes.  I know for a fact these pictures and reports are not fake news.  It's what's actually happened.  And it seems to be happening all over the country world.  Although I can't personally vouche for what happened at all of them.

Stereotyping everyone that protests as a violent thug is not helping.  It's hurting.  When you see the media report on a protest, don't just assume they're a bunch of thugs.

I walked a couple of blocks in a crowd yesterday. Not that I was in a particular protest mood, just that some streets were closed and I had to get to... well, a federal building, but that's a whole other story. Anyway, people around me sounded extremely pissed at rioters and I think if someone showed up with a brick in hand it wouldn't have ended well for the brick person. Kinda ironic and over the top but the protest march ended before curfew without any incidents so hopefully cooler heads are winning.

Yeah, I know TECSHARE will spin this into me being antifa thug on a mission to loot the federal building but he's been yearning for a civil war for years so give him a break.

[TECSHARE]

I would like to thank you for developing a great answer to my questions.
You are 100% correct, the overgeneralization of a "minority" is never a good idea.

10 bad cops in NYC, doesn't mean that all the cops in all the states are crooked, black (or Hispanic) killers.
This week, the world discovered the "basketball" cops and his newly founded charity.

In the same time, 10 bad Muslims doesn't mean that 1.2 billion people are terrorists.
And 10 white American "lone wolf shooters" doesn't mean that all the white Americans like to shoot kids at uni for sporting.

Shortcuts are always the recipe for fuck ups.  

I guess It was a shortcut from me.
you are against all the "good" people expressing their 1st by peacefully walking the street against cops brutality.
Hence you are "for" what they are against.
The whole situation isn't all black and white (not referring to skin color here).

This is the exact issue of these "solidarity" walks.
And this happens in all states in all countries and for whatever the purpose of the walk is.
you will always find people that go there to cause unrest, destruction, intimidation.

however, calling all the peaceful walkers terrorists is something else.

Something is going up, someone is taking advantage of this unrest for political purposes.
Who ? this is the 1 billion $ question.



Final point, if I was in the USA (I'm not). I would definitely live in a major city, probably not NYC, Memphis, LA or any of those huge one.
Something a little bit low key, more family, smaller.
I would definitely, in support of the family of the deceased, partake in a peaceful walk. Definitely go home as soon as the unrest start.
I would feel betrayed by the government if, by doing so, I was accused of terrorism by affiliation.

Once something or someone is defined as a terrorist, aiding, assisting, supporting it makes of yourself a terrorist.
So much for a 1 st amendment.

You tell me about "shortcuts", then immediately do it again by saying I am against peaceful protestors and for what they are against. If these were nation wide peaceful protests I would be supporting them. However as I explained these protests are being used as physical and PR cover for riots and destabilizing the nation.

Just as one bad guy doesn't make everyone in the group bad guys, peaceful protestors don't make the bad guys good, especially when they are often intentionally providing cover for rioters. This is a serious issue and the protests need to stop until the riots are under control. This is not ending the first amendment, and any time there is violence on this scale the police absolutely have the authority and the right to end protests until the riots can be ended. This is absolutely solid precedence for this course of action.

ANTIFA are terrorists, and the protestors peaceful or not are being organized, coordinated, and providing cover for ANTIFA. I already answered some of those questions as far as some of the people responsible in my earlier posts if you bothered to read them.

Ah, I see, you aren't here and are relying completely on the media to form your opinions. I am sure that couldn't possibly lead you astray at all. This is not ending the 1st amendment, and as some one who is not even an American, I would suggest you refrain from telling us how it is in our own country.

Damn media saying they used tear gas when all they really did was throw smoke canisters and shoot pepper balls and people!

Yeah weird how all these rage bait stories keep having to get walked back by people like you, and each time you act as if this is a form of manipulation, bringing the real facts of the matter to bear. Police don't just randomly fire pepper balls at protestors unannounced. They give orders to disperse, and if they refuse, then they are then occupying that space illegally and get get dealt with. This is not playtime. You don't get to just refuse police orders then cry like a victim when you suffer consequences for your dumb choices.

"Jersey City Protesters Rally At South Precinct, Mayor In Crowd"
https://hudsonreporter.com/2020/06/02/jersey-city-peacefully-protests/

"Another peaceful Jersey City rally marches on City Hall"
https://www.nj.com/hudson/2020/06/another-peaceful-jersey-city-rally-marches-on-city-hall.html

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No violence.  Not even any arrests.  The mayor marched and the cops knelt with the protesters for 9 minutes.  I know for a fact these pictures and reports are not fake news.  It's what's actually happened.  And it seems to be happening all over the country world.  Although I can't personally vouche for what happened at all of them.

Stereotyping everyone that protests as a violent thug is not helping.  It's hurting.  When you see the media report on a protest, don't just assume they're a bunch of thugs.

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Well whoopty fucking doo. I guess that erases the nation wide murders, beatings, arson, and looting taking place under the auspices of "protest". None of this negates the actual violence taking place. I could spend an hour compiling a list of all the murder, beatings, arson, and looting that just occurred over the last week, but anyone who bothers to look for 30 seconds can find more examples than they have time to review. Of course your little isolated peaceful protests make up for that I am sure.

Yeah, I know TECSHARE will spin this into me being antifa thug on a mission to loot the federal building but he's been yearning for a civil war for years so give him a break.

You aren't an ANTIFA thug, you are just a disingenuous twat enabling terrorist activities. Warning people about coming problems is not "yearning" for them regardless of what occupies that twisted little peanut you call a brain.

[TwitchySeal]

Damn media saying they used tear gas when all they really did was throw smoke canisters and shoot pepper balls and people!

Yeah weird how all these rage bait stories keep having to get walked back by people like you, and each time you act as if this is a form of manipulation, bringing the real facts of the matter to bear.

Oh yeah.  The media got it wrong big time.  Here's a Libertarian article rubbing it in the fake news' faces.

"It Wasn't Tear Gas. It Was a Gaseous Substance That Causes Tears."
https://reason.com/2020/06/03/it-wasnt-tear-gas-it-was-a-gaseous-substance-that-causes-tears/

They aren't just engaged in unlawful assembly, and they are certainly not nonviolent.

"Jersey City Protesters Rally At South Precinct, Mayor In Crowd"
https://hudsonreporter.com/2020/06/02/jersey-city-peacefully-protests/

"Another peaceful Jersey City rally marches on City Hall"
https://www.nj.com/hudson/2020/06/another-peaceful-jersey-city-rally-marches-on-city-hall.html

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No violence.  Not even any arrests.  The mayor marched and the cops knelt with the protesters for 9 minutes.  I know for a fact these pictures and reports are not fake news.  It's what's actually happened.  And it seems to be happening all over the country world.  Although I can't personally vouche for what happened at all of them.

Stereotyping everyone that protests as a violent thug is not helping.  It's hurting.  When you see the media report on a protest, don't just assume they're a bunch of thugs.

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Well whoopty fucking doo. I guess that erases the nation wide murders, beatings, arson, and looting taking place under the auspices of "protest". None of this negates the actual violence taking place. I could spend an hour compiling a list of all the murder, beatings, arson, and looting that just occurred over the last week, but anyone who bothers to look for 30 seconds can find more examples than they have time to review. Of course your little isolated peaceful protests make up for that I am sure.

I see you removed your own quote, which I was responding to.  I put it back in for you, but here it is again:

They aren't just engaged in unlawful assembly, and they are certainly not nonviolent.

The point I'm making is that not all the protesters are violent thugs the way many people seem to be assuming recently.  Including you.

[Beerwizzard]

I've never been in US and currently watching the situation from abroad and it is sad to what ur nation is doing with itself. It seems to be a logical result of American pro-minority policy. All these riots are hypocritical and got no common sense at all, no one gives a shit about justice there. And the most pathetic is that this is getting support from officials and big part of community.
Some cops are getting killed during these riots but the other ones are staying on their knees before protestors, Tennessee national guard layed down their shields and some politicians like Biden, that have good chances to become a next president, already bowed down before black community.

Thanks to long term mindless support of these leftist the entire US policy and ideology turned completely cuckold. And even if riots stop soon this thing won't go away. You guys are already fucked.
Now it feels like all talks regarding a possible civil war are real.

[TECSHARE]

Oh yeah.  The media got it wrong big time.  Here's a Libertarian article rubbing it in the fake news' faces.

"It Wasn't Tear Gas. It Was a Gaseous Substance That Causes Tears."
https://reason.com/2020/06/03/it-wasnt-tear-gas-it-was-a-gaseous-substance-that-causes-tears/

I see you removed your own quote, which I was responding to.  I put it back in for you, but here it is again:

They aren't just engaged in unlawful assembly, and they are certainly not nonviolent.

The point I'm making is that not all the protesters are violent thugs the way many people seem to be assuming recently.  Including you.

LOL! Libertarian my ass. Once again, police don't just indiscriminately deploy any of these devices in spite of your hysterical protestations to the contrary. They give very clear warnings, and if you choose to remain after those warnings, then you deal with the consequences. These people are not victims or heroes. They are a bunch of lemmings and frothing lunatics filled with carefully engineered cognitive dissonance packed into their poor little heads by a media occupied by enemies of the nation and its people specifically designed to create division and unrest. It is a stage act, which all of you are dutifully playing your part in.

I removed my quote, because if people want to read it they can, because the original is still there. No one needs to see everything repeated 20 times, it is just annoying spam on a page. Of course you would love it if I included everything you include so the combined length of your screed with my statements makes people just skip over everything I say wouldn't you. Of course you would.

Just like the rioters are using protests to hide behind physically and metaphorically, you also hide the true destruction of these events behind a handful of isolated and well controlled events hoping that people will believe that this represents the whole. What is actually represents is the smoldering hole in the ground left over after they are done.

#justiceforjuicy

[TwitchySeal]

Oh yeah.  The media got it wrong big time.  Here's a Libertarian article rubbing it in the fake news' faces.

"It Wasn't Tear Gas. It Was a Gaseous Substance That Causes Tears."
https://reason.com/2020/06/03/it-wasnt-tear-gas-it-was-a-gaseous-substance-that-causes-tears/

I see you removed your own quote, which I was responding to.  I put it back in for you, but here it is again:

They aren't just engaged in unlawful assembly, and they are certainly not nonviolent.

The point I'm making is that not all the protesters are violent thugs the way many people seem to be assuming recently.  Including you.

LOL! Libertarian my ass.

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Home to John Stossel also.

[Spendulus]

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The point I'm making is that not all the protesters are violent thugs the way many people seem to be assuming recently.  Including you.

That's not even a point.

[PrimeNumber7]

Bill Bar just arrested 51 people on federal rioting charges related to the recent rioting throughout the US. Hopefully he will be able to make more arrests and that the destruction will stop.

[BADecker]

Bill Bar just arrested 51 people on federal rioting charges related to the recent rioting throughout the US. Hopefully he will be able to make more arrests and that the destruction will stop.

The question is, will they get a slap on the wrist? Or will they be made to pay damages lost and extra for time lost?

[PrimeNumber7]

Bill Bar just arrested 51 people on federal rioting charges related to the recent rioting throughout the US. Hopefully he will be able to make more arrests and that the destruction will stop.

The question is, will they get a slap on the wrist? Or will they be made to pay damages lost and extra for time lost?

The local DAs are mostly allowing the thugs out without bail and will probably end up dropping the charges. I don’t think this is true for any Federal charges anyone gets. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden were to pardon them on his first day in office if elected though.

[BADecker]

Bill Bar just arrested 51 people on federal rioting charges related to the recent rioting throughout the US. Hopefully he will be able to make more arrests and that the destruction will stop.

The question is, will they get a slap on the wrist? Or will they be made to pay damages lost and extra for time lost?

The local DAs are mostly allowing the thugs out without bail and will probably end up dropping the charges. I don’t think this is true for any Federal charges anyone gets. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden were to pardon them on his first day in office if elected though.

If a person has some damage to his property, it's up to him to get as many videos of the damage being done as possible. Then he has to bring suit against the terrorists, himself... if he can tell who they are. Some of the rioters might be back in jail from this.

[TwitchySeal]

Bill Bar just arrested 51 people on federal rioting charges related to the recent rioting throughout the US. Hopefully he will be able to make more arrests and that the destruction will stop.

The question is, will they get a slap on the wrist? Or will they be made to pay damages lost and extra for time lost?

The local DAs are mostly allowing the thugs out without bail and will probably end up dropping the charges. I don’t think this is true for any Federal charges anyone gets. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden were to pardon them on his first day in office if elected though.

Are you grouping all the protesters, from curfew violator to arson/assault/theft, as thugs?

Or do you mean they are mostly letting the people arrested for violent crimes or theft out without bail.

[PrimeNumber7]

Bill Bar just arrested 51 people on federal rioting charges related to the recent rioting throughout the US. Hopefully he will be able to make more arrests and that the destruction will stop.

The question is, will they get a slap on the wrist? Or will they be made to pay damages lost and extra for time lost?

The local DAs are mostly allowing the thugs out without bail and will probably end up dropping the charges. I don’t think this is true for any Federal charges anyone gets. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden were to pardon them on his first day in office if elected though.

Are you grouping all the protesters, from curfew violator to arson/assault/theft, as thugs?

Or do you mean they are mostly letting the people arrested for violent crimes or theft out without bail.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/those-arrested-over-two-nights-of-protests-and-unrest-in-st-louis-released-from-jail/article_6c06a78f-b9f3-59f2-842f-0d6c466e84e5.html

Take a look at the above article. I have my doubts that there are a lot of people getting arrested for being out past curfew. If there are and these people are not also being charged with other crimes, the police are arresting the wrong people and more importantly, are letting the wrong people off Scott free.

[BADecker]

People backing themselves up against rioters... Watch the video.


"They're Getting The Sh*t Kicked Out Of Them": Antifa Attempt To Riot In California Suburb Goes Awry

In a video posted to Twitter Tuesday afternoon, a large scuffle can be seen breaking out at an ARCO gas station while a man narrates:

"It ain't goin' good at all. They just beat the ever-loving snot out of three or four guys, and it's goin' again. God damn, the antifa guys are not doing well here - they're all getting the shit kicked out of them."

One of the protesters can be heard shouting "Justice for Floyd" - right before the man filming says "Uh, it's goin' bad. The antifa guys are being chased like crazy. Told you Yucaipa ain't the place to be."

Watch:

[TwitchySeal]

Bill Bar just arrested 51 people on federal rioting charges related to the recent rioting throughout the US. Hopefully he will be able to make more arrests and that the destruction will stop.

The question is, will they get a slap on the wrist? Or will they be made to pay damages lost and extra for time lost?

The local DAs are mostly allowing the thugs out without bail and will probably end up dropping the charges. I don’t think this is true for any Federal charges anyone gets. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden were to pardon them on his first day in office if elected though.

Are you grouping all the protesters, from curfew violator to arson/assault/theft, as thugs?

Or do you mean they are mostly letting the people arrested for violent crimes or theft out without bail.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/those-arrested-over-two-nights-of-protests-and-unrest-in-st-louis-released-from-jail/article_6c06a78f-b9f3-59f2-842f-0d6c466e84e5.html

Take a look at the above article. I have my doubts that there are a lot of people getting arrested for being out past curfew. If there are and these people are not also being charged with other crimes, the police are arresting the wrong people and more importantly, are letting the wrong people off Scott free.

I agree they should be charged.

A couple days ago the total arrest count was over 4,000, maybe 5,000 though?  I imagine it's much higher now.  And there are absolutely tons of people that are choosing to be arrested as an act of civil disobedience.  The cops say 'you have 5 minutes to leave or you get arrested' and they just sit there and wait as the cops arrest them one by one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNrJAWRRe7E

I understand if you disagree with what they're doing.  But grouping them all together as thugs is wrong.  It's just not that simple.

[guigui371]

as some one who is not even an American, I would suggest you refrain from telling us how it is in our own country.

I find it funny coming from an American to say that non-americans shouldn't be allowed to have comments about America

Shall I remind you that for the past 30 years Murica has had a word to say on every single  country / coup / revolution in the world.

Donald Trump is tweeting everyday multiple times about Russia and China, without being Chinese or Russian.

My wife is American, can you please let me know if I am allowed to talk to her and exchange ideas, or no ?

I only see one solution to restore democracy in the USA,  Murica should invade the US. (source Twitter)
It makes total sense,  the US has oil, and there are "unrest" and riots,  so the Americans must invade themselves to bring democracy.
Logic this what you guys have done for the past 30 years. 

[TwitchySeal]

as some one who is not even an American, I would suggest you refrain from telling us how it is in our own country.

I find it funny coming from an American to say that non-americans shouldn't be allowed to have comments about America

Shall I remind you that for the past 30 years Murica has had a word to say on every single  country / coup / revolution in the world.

Donald Trump is tweeting everyday multiple times about Russia and China, without being Chinese or Russian.

My wife is American, can you please let me know if I am allowed to talk to her and exchange ideas, or no ?

I only see one solution to restore democracy in the USA,  Murica should invade the US. (source Twitter)
It makes total sense,  the US has oil, and there are "unrest" and riots,  so the Americans must invade themselves to bring democracy.
Logic this what you guys have done for the past 30 years. 

Speaking with your wife about your thoughts on America is one thing.

Sharing your thoughts in the politics section of bitcointalk though? HOW DARE YOU!

[KingScorpio]

democratic party needs also to be banned, its identity politics reached a level on which you can clearly say that the democratic party is systematically racist and are causing it.

trump wont be able to continue his presidency with it.

[TwitchySeal]

democratic party needs also to be banned, its identity politics reached a level on which you can clearly say that the democratic party is systematically racist and are causing it.

trump wont be able to continue his presidency with it.

It's like the twilight zone.

TECSHARE is preaching about how we need government regulations on big companies so they don't get to much power, and Scorpio is all the sudden anti-racism?