koincik, vycl87 alt accounts - self vouching/merit/trust/bounty abuse

[marlboroza]

Accounts connected: koincik, vycl87

Account koincik used this address 0x81e1decD05FA7020a4206cbc02F6e37792c7e948

Twitter Link: https://twitter.com/KoinYucel
ETH Address: 0x81e1decD05FA7020a4206cbc02F6e37792c7e948

Account vycl87 used this addy's 0xf7276ba841ef4fb44a8047216243fd507c329927

My Ethereum Wallet : 0xf7276ba841ef4fb44a8047216243fd507c329927

This seems to be LAtoken's deposit address https://etherscan.io/address/0x54d8b96f5084ff3344b3a12f238b59e1d3089f83#tokentxns, it has 2 transactions within 15 minutes from addresses mentioned above:



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This seems to be Binance's deposit address https://etherscan.io/address/0x4aece605a3599459167c2e762ed0f8239d1c384e#tokentxns, it has few transactions from addys mentioned above:



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One token transaction here https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x81e1decD05FA7020a4206cbc02F6e37792c7e948&ps=100&p=1



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Some similarities in early days:

I've joined the bountyhive and I like all the project which running by team. I also recommend it absolutely.

I've took my first bounty stakes already.

Don't miss the opportunity.

there is no one for answer, campaign and anything. This bounty still operational? What will we do quit or continue?

My first signature campaign is Pincoin and I hope it will be done soon, succesfully...

The most effective bounty I've ever seen. I am waiting impatiencely.

I really enjoy and wait with hopefully. I hope this project will be succesfull.

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Will you update bounty campaign spreadsheets?

I wonder accepted or not for twitter?

I want to join for Twitter Campaign.

https://twitter.com/KoinYucel

I like your coin. I hope project will success.
I join for twitter. But I can't see any information about e-mail campaign?

I like your project and I think very good advertise on Twitter, Facebook. I hope will be great success...

I believe in this project. I hope it will be success.

No one knows anything?

Is any market did not announcement?

we are still waiting for news from Pincoin Bounty Manager?

do we stay signature campaign?

Will you update bounty campaign spreadsheets?

I wonder accepted or not for twitter?

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Merit transactions between accounts (source: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?id=1213661):



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vycl87's trust network (source http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-30_Sat_12.05h/1213661.html):




koincik's trust network (source http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-30_Sat_12.05h/1327134.html):



(other marked accounts are mentioned here, here, well, here but I didn't post my findings.)

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vycl87's trust page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1213661:



There is 6 positive feedback sent by this account, it is strange not to see "trading" feedback between accounts mentioned in topic, as there are several transactions between them.

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In vycl87's merit source application topic account koincik posted this:

One of the most active and knowledgeable users of the forum. A well-intentioned person who can get along well with everyone in the forum. I think he is a good candidate for Merit source.

"One of the most active and knowledgeable users" seems forget that they made some "trades" with OP.

[marlboroza]

Better proof of connection:

User: vycl87
Position to Apply: Full Member
Posts Start: 1990
Address: 176QzqvFB5xEFVmrQ6oUF1wjg3iDZZ3KmM

(http://archive.is/s81VC#selection-5745.9-5745.43)

User: koincik
Position to Apply: Member
Posts Start: 791 (inc. this one)
Address: 1A5k7mGjePFEQYm9rBm6nJq1m46N8BBwBg

(http://archive.is/velW0#selection-7169.9-7169.43)

Address are part of wallet https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/05bb128ac18df25f/addresses which contains only 2 addresses:

Code:

1A5k7mGjePFEQYm9rBm6nJq1m46N8BBwBg
176QzqvFB5xEFVmrQ6oUF1wjg3iDZZ3KmM

[wolwoo]

I did not fully understand the incident marlboroza
@vycl87 led bounty on the telegram. These transfers maybe related to it. He was sent 50 cartesi tokens recently me...it's 1.5 usd  
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Edit: I don't know, I just guessed. He's not online right now, I'm sure it has an answer. Be patient please

[marlboroza]

I did not fully understand the incident marlboroza
@vycl87 led bounty on the telegram. These transfers maybe related to it. He was sent 50 cartesi tokens recently me...it's 1.5 usd  

Which telegram bounty does this:

Yep, and this is not surprising behavior coming from that little clique.  As I've expressed before, I'm all for local board merit sources, but it seems like the Turkish section has placed massive importance on having at least one representative who's a merit source, to the point where it appears suspicious to me as to why.  I'm definitely not saying the Turkish section shouldn't have a merit source, but I do question whether it should be from any of the current pool of applicants (and I'm only familiar with two so far, wolwoo and vycl87).  I get the strong feeling that there would be a ton of abuse.

I don't know what to think about that board, I noticed some good members there and some bad as well and it seems to me that bad members are making lots of noise while good members choose not to interfere for unknown reason  

[The Sceptical Chymist]

In vycl87's merit source application topic account koincik posted this:

One of the most active and knowledgeable users of the forum. A well-intentioned person who can get along well with everyone in the forum. I think he is a good candidate for Merit source.

Yep, and this is not surprising behavior coming from that little clique.  As I've expressed before, I'm all for local board merit sources, but it seems like the Turkish section has placed massive importance on having at least one representative who's a merit source, to the point where it appears suspicious to me as to why.  I'm definitely not saying the Turkish section shouldn't have a merit source, but I do question whether it should be from any of the current pool of applicants (and I'm only familiar with two so far, wolwoo and vycl87).  I get the strong feeling that there would be a ton of abuse.

Edit:

Oh my God, Are there good members in the Turkish section? Unbelievable

No doubt there are, but there's a very loud clique (of which you are a part) which hopefully doesn't represent the majority of the Turkish section. 

[Lauda]

Nothing to see here, koincik just found out his 25th cousin, twice removed vycl87 is using the forum so he took away his account temporarily and turned him into his student. Or was it the reverse?

[suchmoon]

Accounts connected: koincik, vycl87

It's all right. This is not the first sockpuppeting sleazeball to apply for a merit source position, and some of them got it so the chances are good.

[vycl87]

Be chill guys I am here now and let me explain.

I knew that I would be under such an attack when I applied. But sorry this time you couldn't catch any fish.

@koincik and I have been meeting since the bountyhive platform. At that time, we worked together on the bounty there. And we had mutual transactions in this way in order not to perform KYC transactions of some exchanges. You can find dozens of linked accounts on Bountyhive that operate like this.

here is the Telegram channel that provides our connection;
There are 400 people on the channel right now. And you can often find connections between these people's wallets.

[Img]https://i.imgur.com/6e6kdf0.jpg[/ img]

I also work as a Turkish community manager on behalf of the Ferrum Network project. Not only @koincik, but many of our Turkish friends also sent me BTC, ETH to buy FRM tokens for them.

There are a number of things to understand. From the merit distributions to wallet movements, many things have been examined in the title opened about me. Fortunately, it was made so that I had the opportunity to explain that the things done in the past were not wrong. So that he won't come across again later. Since I have used 2 different ETH addresses for years, I am sure that you can find other suspicious things as a result of your research. But the purpose of doing it this way is to be transparent as much as possible. There is no sub-account or merit abusing as mentioned above. As it should be, I sent merit the topics and comments that I think it deserves, and I will continue the same after that.

I appreciate your research, but as someone who is the father of the new twin boy, I do not have time to manage more than one account.
Best regards...

[dannybrown]

Be chill guys I am here now and let me explain.

I knew that I would be under such an attack when I applied. But sorry this time you couldn't catch any fish.

@koincik and I have been meeting since the bountyhive platform. At that time, we worked together on the bounty there. And we had mutual transactions in this way in order not to perform KYC transactions of some exchanges. You can find dozens of linked accounts on Bountyhive that operate like this.

here is the Telegram channel that provides our connection;
There are 400 people on the channel right now. And you can often find connections between these people's wallets.

[Img]https://i.imgur.com/6e6kdf0.jpg[/ img]

I also work as a Turkish community manager on behalf of the Ferrum Network project. Not only @koincik, but many of our Turkish friends also sent me BTC, ETH to buy FRM tokens for them.

There are a number of things to understand. From the merit distributions to wallet movements, many things have been examined in the title opened about me. Fortunately, it was made so that I had the opportunity to explain that the things done in the past were not wrong. So that he won't come across again later. Since I have used 2 different ETH addresses for years, I am sure that you can find other suspicious things as a result of your research. But the purpose of doing it this way is to be transparent as much as possible. There is no sub-account or merit abusing as mentioned above. As it should be, I sent merit the topics and comments that I think it deserves, and I will continue the same after that.

I appreciate your research, but as someone who is the father of the new twin boy, I do not have time to manage more than one account.
Best regards...

It's true I sent him ethereum to pick up the frm.We then cancelled the operation and sent the ethereums back to me.

[The Cryptovator]

Be chill guys I am here now and let me explain.

Well, I can't see any brief explanation about this post which was convinced me to agree with connected account I wasn't convinced by main post. Why both of you guys had been using same wallet if really you are not handling both accounts?

You made a transaction at 2020-01-17 13:34 from both address with single transaction hash 55ef0fcbfb5f9c513a58b22639b3157c13b7a6254cf23a1b9830ee94149c8320. Doesn't it means both account and address controlled by you?

A valid explanation expected from you.

[amishmanish]

Yep, and this is not surprising behavior coming from that little clique.  As I've expressed before, I'm all for local board merit sources, but it seems like the Turkish section has placed massive importance on having at least one representative who's a merit source, to the point where it appears suspicious to me as to why.  I'm definitely not saying the Turkish section shouldn't have a merit source, but I do question whether it should be from any of the current pool of applicants (and I'm only familiar with two so far, wolwoo and vycl87).  I get the strong feeling that there would be a ton of abuse.

The new members are scared to come forward because of the very jingoistic tone used about "Turk vs Non-Turk" in any argument.
See how they ostracized @mindrust when he called out untrustworthy behavior there. I went to the local section to have a conversation but the same clique joined in there chorus about "Global Gang". I think a lot of confusion also arose due to Vispilio selectively deleting my replies to some members like @Bthd i was talking to. I just got tired of explaining myself. Maybe I'll try again by opening an unmoderated topic there. The language barrier is also an issue.

The stakes involved are pretty huge and the old members don't want to let go off the way they are running things there. I think there needs to be an introspection amongst the Turkish members themselves. Deep down they know that they have colluded negatively and there is enough evidence from the past. Over time, some members may evolve who can stand for ideals and fairness of opportunity to everyone. Right now, it seems like they are just trying to gain as much control as possible over merit-farming and Trust circles.
They need introspection and a fair set of ideals to follow within the community. The Indonesian and Fillipino locals are great examples. While not perfect, they evolved there own mechanism and common understanding to not support spamming or account farming just for the money. It is simply unfair when a group colludes to take away opportunities from so many others. Cheaters like Polar91 ended up being despised. Theymos has said once that he is happy that the forum allows people to earn. Yet, it is against this basic spirit when "oversmart" individuals or groups steal opportunities from others. Only the Turks themselves can make things right. People like us can only do so much in expressing our disbelief, anger and trying to communicate using Google translate.

[YOSHIE]

here is the Telegram channel that provides our connection;
There are 400 people on the channel right now. And you can often find connections between these people's wallets.

Ok, no problem....!
Question, how telegram is used by others, in the past by @manuyoul, while @manuyoul has been blocked, and that telegram is still being used by you today.

Accounts connected: koincik, vycl87

Previously I had to have permission from @marlboroza, because this is own moderation thread.


@koincik & @ vycl87, has another connected Alt account and is also a full member ranking.
There are about 7 other accounts owned by them.

I have a very valid proof between @koincik & @ vycl87 connected, they are indeed Alt, no doubt.

Telegram Username: @vycl987
Ethereum Address: 0xf7276ba841ef4fb44a8047216243fd507c329927

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Pay close attention, the telegram used by @vycl87, is also used by an account named @manuyoul.

Accounts Connected:

1. manuyoul (Archived)

Proof:

TelegramId: @vycl987
Address: 0x89205a3a3b2a69de6dbf7f01ed13b2108b2c43e7

TelegramId: @brainnnnn
Twitter username: @denz_biz
Address: 0x89205a3a3b2a69de6dbf7f01ed13b2108b2c43e7

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Now also pay close attention to the ETH address and telegram used by @manuyoul.

ERC20 address: 0x50f6E299A2f30e2E7888FD99A3A2b9eF246002Ad

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Accounts Connected:

2. flntyey
3. brainnnnn
4. exet22050
5. evan75
6. nata9314
7. julia220

Proof:

Telegram username: @brainnnnn

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#Proof of ownership :
 - @brainnnnn
 - anything000009@gmail.com

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Telegram Nama Pengguna: @somovaeva25
Twitter Nama pengguna: @somovaeva25
eth: 0x50f6E299A2f30e2E7888FD99A3A2b9eF246002Ad

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BTT username: evan75
Telegram username: @somovaeva2505
Date joined bounty: July 6, 2018
ETHER ADDRESS: 0x50f6E299A2f30e2E7888FD99A3A2b9eF246002Ad
Weeks in Telegram: 1

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REPORT
Telegram ID: @irena17
ERC20 address: 0x50f6E299A2f30e2E7888FD99A3A2b9eF246002Ad

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Telegram Username: @exet22050
Ethereum Address: 0x50f6E299A2f30e2E7888FD99A3A2b9eF246002Ad

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Miscellaneous:

So there is no doubt between @koincik & @ vycl87, the owner is one person who manages it.

Note the address used by them @koincik & @vycl87 to send Btz coins in 2019, transactions.

ETH ERC20 WALLET: 0x81e1decD05FA7020a4206cbc02F6e37792c7e948

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Telegram Username: @vycl987
Ethereum Address: 0xf7276ba841ef4fb44a8047216243fd507c329927

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TX: https://ethplorer.io/tx/0xaa59e55eb6060c52dc9c6dc41959b91ed3f97f13578e0228f3fe08d4c32549ae

Proof of @koincik & @ vycl87 conducting transactions.
Very clearly they have an Alt relationship.




vycl987
Note: if you want, I can post dozens of your Alt accounts that have been blocked and active here.

[LoyceV]

Which telegram bounty does this:

That's quite convincing.

@koincik and I have been meeting since the bountyhive platform. At that time, we worked together on the bounty there. And we had mutual transactions in this way in order not to perform KYC transactions of some exchanges. You can find dozens of linked accounts on Bountyhive that operate like this.

I do believe many "bounty users" operate this way, but I also believe many "professional bounty hunters" use many accounts. The math is quite simple: more accounts means more money.

That being said, I can think of some scenarios in which coins from different users end up in the same transaction. I've considered starting a "dust claiming service" at some point (but instead made this). I've also helped a few people exchange some altcoins in the past, which means they ended up on my deposit addy on an exchange. And if you look deep enough into Forkcoins, you might find "a connection" that shouldn't be there too.
Those scenarios are quite unlikely though, but we can't exclude it for the full 100%.

[amishmanish]

That transaction between vycl87 and koincik would be fun to explore for the resident scam-hunters who just joined this thread. Here's some novice interpretation from me. In this single transaction: 55ef0fcbfb5f9c513a58b22639b3157c13b7a6254cf23a1b9830ee94149c8320, both koincik and vycl transferred all their deposits from the Bitvest and 777 campaign to a common address 19BX2tyEkUgcCL1mU8KtipgV6rbwSzb4C2

This is an interesting address as it also received vycl87's transfers from his signature earnings in this transaction.

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1213661
Current amount of Posts (Including this one): 2978
SegWit BTC address for payouts: bc1q7g46nzm6dtdfucx9gqlgn7shfcsv3ufdj0ft60
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 233

From what we have heard in the past, I am waiting for the information that how this address with some 5+ BTC transferred is a "Cooperative trust" that all professors, students and cousins are using to avoid fees. Because you see, they are all so very poor that they cannot have their own wallets. They need to lend addresses from their professor uncle to "work hard" on the forum. /s

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Bitcointalk username: vycl87
Twitter post: https://twitter.com/vycl987vycl/status/944305667300569090
Twitter account: @vycl987vycl
Twitter followers: 1135
Telegram username: @vycl987
Bitcoin address: 19BX2tyEkUgcCL1mU8KtipgV6rbwSzb4C2
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So much for all these "trustworthy and helpful" members giving each other positive feedbacks without references. I really do want to hear the story involving telegram groups, common addresses, bountyhive etc etc all using the same address to avoid fees. If they tell the truth, it may still be believable. Yet, I am pretty sure they will start crying about "You don't want us to earn". There is enough evidence of some hanky-panky here. Lets for once, hear the truth like Polar91 did.

Big thanks to @YOSHIE and @Coolcryptovator. @marlboroza has been alone on his Mission to Istanbul for sometime. Glad to have you guys.  With the pros in town, i rest assured that you will find the connections sooner or later. Watch out for deletion of posts and decrease in post count from amongst the Turkish clique as well as all the multiple newbie accounts they have been used and abandoned over years by these "trustworthy circle" of "helpful people".

EDIT: I didn't see the post from LoyceV earlier. So could this mean that vycl87 is just the receiver of all these transactions?? Still, the connection between koincik and vycl87 is hard to miss. The one linking earnings from 777 and BitVest campaigns. Waiting for vycl87 to explain the real story.

[marlboroza]

Be chill guys I am here now and let me explain.

I have to ask...

How two random individuals use the same wallet for signature payment?
@YOSHIE I didn't check all details, but there is possibility that someone used this user's telegram (and telegrams from other users) to abuse various airdrops, it happens all the time with newbie accounts in altcoin section, if you search for more accounts you might connect half forum, just saying...

[nutildah]

Be chill guys I am here now and let me explain.

I have to ask...

How two random individuals use the same wallet for signature payment?

They would either have to:

- be in very close proximity to one another, or
- share login credentials for a HD wallet service like blockchain.com.

Either way, it doesn't make sense that someone wouldn't just create their own wallet.

That being said, I can think of some scenarios in which coins from different users end up in the same transaction.

Just out of a desire to be more educated on the subject, I'd like to understand how that could happen... In this case the 2 addresses are indeed part of the same HD wallet -- it seems highly likely they are both owned by the same person.

[suchmoon]

Just out of a desire to be more educated on the subject, I'd like to understand how that could happen... In this case the 2 addresses are indeed part of the same HD wallet -- it seems highly likely they are both owned by the same person.

CoinJoin (not in this case obviously but in general).

Yes, you're welcome, shitpuppets of all kinds - I just gave you a new word to use in addition to mother/father/sibling/cousin/nephew/uncle/cat/dog/goat/investment management/telegram group.

[LoyceV]

That being said, I can think of some scenarios in which coins from different users end up in the same transaction.

Just out of a desire to be more educated on the subject, I'd like to understand how that could happen... In this case the 2 addresses are indeed part of the same HD wallet -- it seems highly likely they are both owned by the same person.

Question: how do you know the bold part?
My assumption was the addresses were random. As an example: say you have a wallet filled with small inputs (0.00027 BTC, 0.0003 BTC, and more like this address). Fees are high, and your wallet doesn't allow you to set a low fee. You give the private key for the address to a friend (don't do that!), and he consolidates your small inputs together with his own.

Another scenario would be when someone gets their hands on a compromised private key, although it's more likely to instantly sweep those.

It's all not very likely to happen though, but can be added to this list:

mother/father/sibling/cousin/nephew/uncle/cat/dog/goat/investment management/telegram group.

[nutildah]

That being said, I can think of some scenarios in which coins from different users end up in the same transaction.

Just out of a desire to be more educated on the subject, I'd like to understand how that could happen... In this case the 2 addresses are indeed part of the same HD wallet -- it seems highly likely they are both owned by the same person.

Question: how do you know the bold part?

I read up on how Wallet Explorer works (it's a lot simpler than I thought) and I have to retract my use of the word "indeed" -- its just by far the most probable outcome.

If it were a CoinJoin-type transaction the amounts wouldn't be going straight to the same Binance address. Additionally, many CoinJoin transactions (I think they are Wasabi wallet transactions) get captured as being part of this wallet.

In the very off chance that its not the same HD wallet, I just don't understand why "different users" would entrust each other with their private keys unless they were very close, or more likely, the same person.

If the two users were cheating the same bounty or sig campaign then I would say its clear cut abuse, but in this instance they were enrolled in 2 different campaigns.

Just recapping the Ethereum address exchanges:

- both addresses sent Pindex (PDI) tokens to the same LAToken address
- both addresses sent Blockmason (BLINK) tokens to the same Binance address
- one address sent bitzon (BTZ) to the other

If any other account was doing this, they would be marked as a bounty cheater.

Additionally, the whole merit exchange thing is not great, and including each other in trust lists is quite bad.

I'm not going to take any action on these accounts but I definitely don't think they should be a merit source.

[Lauda]

In the very off chance that its not the same HD wallet, I just don't understand why "different users" would entrust each other with their private keys unless they were very close, or more likely, the same person.

The chance that they gave each other the private key at the same time is near zero. The chance that one gave the private key to the other to create this transaction is near zero as it makes zero sense to do so (each could have made their own sending the same amount to the same address).
The chance that they managed to construct this transaction without sharing private keys, i.e. constructing partially signed transactions and exchanging them and making them work is zero. They do not have 1/10th of the brainpower nor knowledge to do this.

If it were a CoinJoin-type transaction the amounts wouldn't be going straight to the same Binance address.

Not necessarily, but this is not coinjoin. A coinjoin is not a m to 1 transaction, it is a m to n transaction.

Additionally, many CoinJoin transactions (I think they are Wasabi wallet transactions) get captured as being part of this wallet.

Wasabi coinjoin is always bech32 and always the same amounts as outputs and many more participants. This definitely has nothing to do with Wasabi.

My assumption was the addresses were random.

No. Pseudorandom at best. Read about derivation paths in HD wallets in detail. You can use the xpub to deterministically derive the children. HD stands for hierarchical deterministic for a reason.