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July 07, 2020, 04:26:11 PM
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For chess to become a prominent game among gamblers there must be a element added to chess such that the viewers have fun watching the game and not just bored spectators.

Non-sense idea. How come chess should add an element just to entertain the viewers and gamblers? The game system of chess is already known to all - playing in a silent environment. And to those who know chess, they enjoy that environment compare to what Esports have. And besides chess don't have regular events and that's the reason why only a few betting options available.

Totally different in the environment of the Esports industry.
I think adding more fun element means that adding more features like betting on the next move or something would bring the fun to the next level, while also offering odds on a draw. Not a complete non-sense idea if you ask me because the reason chess is played in isolation makes it a little bit boring indeed and you are right though that what can we do to make it interesting but that is what gambling platforms need to come up with and if me and you had that intelligence we would be having our own casino, no?

But yeah e-sports is a different scenario and much more fun while chess still needs more viewership and then maybe we can consider it being added for betting.
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For chess to become a prominent game among gamblers there must be a element added to chess such that the viewers have fun watching the game and not just bored spectators.


Non-sense idea. How come chess should add an element just to entertain the viewers and gamblers? The game system of chess is already known to all - playing in a silent environment. And to those who know chess, they enjoy that environment compare to what Esports have. And besides chess don't have regular events and that's the reason why only a few betting options available.

Totally different in the environment of the Esports industry.
I think adding more fun element means that adding more features like betting on the next move or something would bring the fun to the next level, while also offering odds on a draw. Not a complete non-sense idea if you ask me because the reason chess is played in isolation makes it a little bit boring indeed and you are right though that what can we do to make it interesting but that is what gambling platforms need to come up with and if me and you had that intelligence we would be having our own casino, no?

But yeah e-sports is a different scenario and much more fun while chess still needs more viewership and then maybe we can consider it being added for betting.

While it is a good idea and seems like a fun thing, I think betting on stuff such as : next move or opening move will open the door more for matchfixing...



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July 07, 2020, 11:19:07 PM
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I think adding more fun element means that adding more features like betting on the next move or something would bring the fun to the next level, while also offering odds on a draw. Not a complete non-sense idea if you ask me because the reason chess is played in isolation makes it a little bit boring indeed and you are right though that what can we do to make it interesting but that is what gambling platforms need to come up with and if me and you had that intelligence we would be having our own casino, no?

The term boring should be out of when it comes to playing or betting in chess.

Take it or leave it. If the gamblers found it boring to bet on chess, then so be it. The chess enthusiast is the only one who can understand how interesting it is to placed bet on chess.

Adding a betting option can be considered but not to the point it should have the same interest factor as for other sports.

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July 08, 2020, 11:29:55 AM
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Those marketing things can be done easily if the platform has budget for it. As long as there are gamblers and players who have asked for it, the opening will be on hype and there will be a lot of players who will try it whether it be forum members or not.
It's a popular game and applying cryptocurrency as a bet or incentive to the playing winner will be a great thing to consider. Let's just wish that there are platforms who read on this thread.

Many people who loves playing this strategy game will play both for fun or with intentions to earn money, if platforms will be there
expect that gamblers to play it, the set up will be up to the developers who will cater this game.
Marketing is not a problem since this strategy game is very popular there are people who will come
and start playing.
For those who are good, they can make it an earning habit. They can use their talents and skills in playing chess and at the same time earn from the possible winning rounds that they'll get. Also, they can face the toughest and best of chess players worldwide.

Right. There's no need for you to do research things and stuff if you are just looking to have fun or do the YOLO strategy. Everybody wants to have chess games to be on bookies soon. And hopefully some platforms will create a p2p type of game with bets against real players or can have an option to play against AI but with certain levels to check difficulty. I think that's going to be a good pastime and hobby whenever it goes crypto.
I think that if we play against AI will not be easy since the AI will have their solution to beat us unless the developer makes an easy option for us to beat the AI Grin
If many people like to play chess, I think some developer will create the p2p game, and they will insert a gambling option to people so that they can play gambling on the chess game.
We don't know when that will come to us because until now, and people like to play the popular gambling games, so that makes the new people in gambling will choose that popular gambling games too.
I have played many times with AI and the highest level of difficulty is always hard to beat. The low levels can easily be beaten but there will be some conditions if someone creates a platform like this and it will be difficult if there's money involved.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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July 08, 2020, 11:50:39 AM
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Chess is known worldwide and there are many genius love to play chess. I do love to play chess and definitely love to watch others play it. Watching over geniuses play relatively is a strategy for me to improve the plays. Learning on their advancement moves or studying the advantage and disadvantage of moves.

However, pretty sure that players having with lot of viewers are really strong. Game could end fast depending on the wrong move and its check mate.
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July 08, 2020, 01:25:20 PM
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I think that if we play against AI will not be easy since the AI will have their solution to beat us unless the developer makes an easy option for us to beat the AI Grin
If many people like to play chess, I think some developer will create the p2p game, and they will insert a gambling option to people so that they can play gambling on the chess game.
We don't know when that will come to us because until now, and people like to play the popular gambling games, so that makes the new people in gambling will choose that popular gambling games too.
The chances of a p2p platform that allows you to play chess and also to bet on it appearing are very low, and this is because unlike the games of chance like poker computers are on average better than the humans which means that a player could easily cheat by using computers and beat most of their opponents that way, the developers of such platforms could try to prevent this and investigate anyone that seems to be cheating but very soon honest players will leave the platform and the project will fail because of it.

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July 10, 2020, 01:31:25 PM
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For chess to become a prominent game among gamblers there must be a element added to chess such that the viewers have fun watching the game and not just bored spectators.

Non-sense idea. How come chess should add an element just to entertain the viewers and gamblers? The game system of chess is already known to all - playing in a silent environment. And to those who know chess, they enjoy that environment compare to what Esports have. And besides chess don't have regular events and that's the reason why only a few betting options available.

Totally different in the environment of the Esports industry.
I think adding more fun element means that adding more features like betting on the next move or something would bring the fun to the next level, while also offering odds on a draw. Not a complete non-sense idea if you ask me because the reason chess is played in isolation makes it a little bit boring indeed and you are right though that what can we do to make it interesting but that is what gambling platforms need to come up with and if me and you had that intelligence we would be having our own casino, no?

But yeah e-sports is a different scenario and much more fun while chess still needs more viewership and then maybe we can consider it being added for betting.
If that so, many gamblers will win in that way since it's easy to determine the moves if you're using some chess engine like stockfish which is one of the greatest engines that's being used by Grand Master for training. I guess blitz game is the right game mode of chess on sports betting, no one can use engines and it's a fast phased game which is very interesting to watch.

Chess already gained a lot of audiences right now and making its comeback on the sports scene. Every live battle is being discussed and always reaching thousands of views. There are many platforms talk about chess right now, I'm saying this because I played a lot of games, following a lot of pro-players and streamers, and noticed that chess is on the mainstream again. Those who are saying that chess doesn't have much viewership aren't aware of other streaming platforms, they just watch on YT or on TV.
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July 13, 2020, 01:16:40 PM
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Right. There's no need for you to do research things and stuff if you are just looking to have fun or do the YOLO strategy. Everybody wants to have chess games to be on bookies soon. And hopefully some platforms will create a p2p type of game with bets against real players or can have an option to play against AI but with certain levels to check difficulty. I think that's going to be a good pastime and hobby whenever it goes crypto.
I think that if we play against AI will not be easy since the AI will have their solution to beat us unless the developer makes an easy option for us to beat the AI Grin
If many people like to play chess, I think some developer will create the p2p game, and they will insert a gambling option to people so that they can play gambling on the chess game.
We don't know when that will come to us because until now, and people like to play the popular gambling games, so that makes the new people in gambling will choose that popular gambling games too.
I have played many times with AI and the highest level of difficulty is always hard to beat. The low levels can easily be beaten but there will be some conditions if someone creates a platform like this and it will be difficult if there's money involved.
No wonder if only a few people who can win the games.
I realize that the highest level and the difficulty will increase apart the games, so that need more skills to win. Usually, we don't need to long to raise the next level, but until we reach the medium level, the hard part will come Wink

I think that if we play against AI will not be easy since the AI will have their solution to beat us unless the developer makes an easy option for us to beat the AI Grin
If many people like to play chess, I think some developer will create the p2p game, and they will insert a gambling option to people so that they can play gambling on the chess game.
We don't know when that will come to us because until now, and people like to play the popular gambling games, so that makes the new people in gambling will choose that popular gambling games too.
The chances of a p2p platform that allows you to play chess and also to bet on it appearing are very low, and this is because unlike the games of chance like poker computers are on average better than the humans which means that a player could easily cheat by using computers and beat most of their opponents that way, the developers of such platforms could try to prevent this and investigate anyone that seems to be cheating but very soon honest players will leave the platform and the project will fail because of it.
Yes, it is. People who like to play chess or gamble in chess games are not too many, and they like to play other popular games such as dice, poker, or even sports betting.
But it's not easy to investigate anyone that seems to be cheating the platforms unless they have applied some security that the player doesn't know.

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July 13, 2020, 01:56:06 PM
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For chess to become a prominent game among gamblers there must be a element added to chess such that the viewers have fun watching the game and not just bored spectators.

Non-sense idea. How come chess should add an element just to entertain the viewers and gamblers? The game system of chess is already known to all - playing in a silent environment. And to those who know chess, they enjoy that environment compare to what Esports have. And besides chess don't have regular events and that's the reason why only a few betting options available.

Totally different in the environment of the Esports industry.
I think adding more fun element means that adding more features like betting on the next move or something would bring the fun to the next level, while also offering odds on a draw. Not a complete non-sense idea if you ask me because the reason chess is played in isolation makes it a little bit boring indeed and you are right though that what can we do to make it interesting but that is what gambling platforms need to come up with and if me and you had that intelligence we would be having our own casino, no?

But yeah e-sports is a different scenario and much more fun while chess still needs more viewership and then maybe we can consider it being added for betting.
If that so, many gamblers will win in that way since it's easy to determine the moves if you're using some chess engine like stockfish which is one of the greatest engines that's being used by Grand Master for training. I guess blitz game is the right game mode of chess on sports betting, no one can use engines and it's a fast phased game which is very interesting to watch.

Chess already gained a lot of audiences right now and making its comeback on the sports scene. Every live battle is being discussed and always reaching thousands of views. There are many platforms talk about chess right now, I'm saying this because I played a lot of games, following a lot of pro-players and streamers, and noticed that chess is on the mainstream again. Those who are saying that chess doesn't have much viewership aren't aware of other streaming platforms, they just watch on YT or on TV.
Watching on live stream of chess plays is already a lot fun. I think there is no need to do some adding up elementa just to get into the next level. A mind games or sports does not make fun on the materials or platform they had played on but instead the fun is on how one can outsmart the other player using strategic moves letting the opponent getting caught by surprise. In short, chess is not about feature rather it is all about strategy and surprises.
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July 13, 2020, 02:15:30 PM
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I have played many times with AI and the highest level of difficulty is always hard to beat. The low levels can easily be beaten but there will be some conditions if someone creates a platform like this and it will be difficult if there's money involved.
No wonder if only a few people who can win the games.
I realize that the highest level and the difficulty will increase apart the games, so that need more skills to win. Usually, we don't need to long to raise the next level, but until we reach the medium level, the hard part will come Wink
I'm not thinking only few people will defeat the highest level. There are always those people who are good at playing chess and won't talk a lot in forums.
To me, the important part is you enjoy the game and if you want to improve the way you play chess just keep going. Those hard levels will eventually be easy to you if you grind on it.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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July 13, 2020, 03:33:29 PM
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I have played many times with AI and the highest level of difficulty is always hard to beat. The low levels can easily be beaten but there will be some conditions if someone creates a platform like this and it will be difficult if there's money involved.
No wonder if only a few people who can win the games.
I realize that the highest level and the difficulty will increase apart the games, so that need more skills to win. Usually, we don't need to long to raise the next level, but until we reach the medium level, the hard part will come Wink
I'm not thinking only few people will defeat the highest level. There are always those people who are good at playing chess and won't talk a lot in forums.
To me, the important part is you enjoy the game and if you want to improve the way you play chess just keep going. Those hard levels will eventually be easy to you if you grind on it.

Also, the chances of lower rated players to beat higher rated players in blitz tournaments is much higher. Having only 3-5 minutes to play a game increase the variance in chess tournaments and the fun factor of watching chess games is also much higher. The real skill of grand master is to think many moves in advance but during blitz tournaments that skill is fairly limited making it more fair for international masters and others.
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July 13, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
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I'm not thinking only few people will defeat the highest level. There are always those people who are good at playing chess and won't talk a lot in forums.
To me, the important part is you enjoy the game and if you want to improve the way you play chess just keep going. Those hard levels will eventually be easy to you if you grind on it.

Also, the chances of lower rated players to beat higher rated players in blitz tournaments is much higher. Having only 3-5 minutes to play a game increase the variance in chess tournaments and the fun factor of watching chess games is also much higher. The real skill of grand master is to think many moves in advance but during blitz tournaments that skill is fairly limited making it more fair for international masters and others.
I can't think of how I'll perform if the time limit is going to be like that. I'm not a pro and I don't think I'm in the middle or intermediate but we're not going far like beating a grandmaster.
This can be done through having fun or if a grandmaster sees opportunity on this. Well, he/she is going to stay for better and beat the players like me.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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July 13, 2020, 04:05:25 PM
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I think that if we play against AI will not be easy since the AI will have their solution to beat us unless the developer makes an easy option for us to beat the AI Grin
If many people like to play chess, I think some developer will create the p2p game, and they will insert a gambling option to people so that they can play gambling on the chess game.
We don't know when that will come to us because until now, and people like to play the popular gambling games, so that makes the new people in gambling will choose that popular gambling games too.
The chances of a p2p platform that allows you to play chess and also to bet on it appearing are very low, and this is because unlike the games of chance like poker computers are on average better than the humans which means that a player could easily cheat by using computers and beat most of their opponents that way, the developers of such platforms could try to prevent this and investigate anyone that seems to be cheating but very soon honest players will leave the platform and the project will fail because of it.
Yes, it is. People who like to play chess or gamble in chess games are not too many, and they like to play other popular games such as dice, poker, or even sports betting.
But it's not easy to investigate anyone that seems to be cheating the platforms unless they have applied some security that the player doesn't know.
Quite honestly the level of security that they will have to implement to forbid people from cheating will reach levels that we would call spyware, they will have to spy in everything that you are doing in your computer in order for you to avoid using a piece of software to aid you while you are playing chess, and I'm not so sure that anyone is ready to install such an application in their computers, and even so people could cheat by just using a different computer and run a chess software in it and beat most of their competition, as such I do not really believe that a peer to peer gambling platform based on chess is possible.

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July 14, 2020, 12:13:12 AM
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No wonder if only a few people who can win the games.
I realize that the highest level and the difficulty will increase apart the games, so that need more skills to win. Usually, we don't need to long to raise the next level, but until we reach the medium level, the hard part will come Wink
I'm not thinking only few people will defeat the highest level. There are always those people who are good at playing chess and won't talk a lot in forums.
To me, the important part is you enjoy the game and if you want to improve the way you play chess just keep going. Those hard levels will eventually be easy to you if you grind on it.
When I watch people playing chess in a public area, I see they are enjoying the game while talking to each other.
Sometimes, the opponent yelling to the other because that person takes a long time to think about the next step.
Maybe reading a book about chess will help us to improve our skills in a chess game, right?

Yes, it is. People who like to play chess or gamble in chess games are not too many, and they like to play other popular games such as dice, poker, or even sports betting.
But it's not easy to investigate anyone that seems to be cheating the platforms unless they have applied some security that the player doesn't know.
Quite honestly the level of security that they will have to implement to forbid people from cheating will reach levels that we would call spyware, they will have to spy in everything that you are doing in your computer in order for you to avoid using a piece of software to aid you while you are playing chess, and I'm not so sure that anyone is ready to install such an application in their computers, and even so people could cheat by just using a different computer and run a chess software in it and beat most of their competition, as such I do not really believe that a peer to peer gambling platform based on chess is possible.
If they use spyware, we need to be suspicious because we already heard about some programs that can steal our data without we know.
If they need us to install a program on our computer, maybe we don't have to install and leave their site because we don't know if that is safe or not.
Maybe they don't have to suspicious about people who will cheat in the chess game.

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July 14, 2020, 12:51:40 AM
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Talking about chess is a reminder of my past, when I was 14 years old, I joined the chess club at school. And I often won tournaments
at that time, I really loved chess. After I grew up I started to forget chess, because a lot of games that turned out to be more interesting
in my opinion. So it must be recognized why it is rarely popular sports betting platform which includes chess. Because chess's popularity
is decreasing, but I still hope that in the future there will be popular sports betting platform that includes chess. Even though I rarely
play chess, I still love chess. So still watching chess tournament.

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July 14, 2020, 02:04:24 AM
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Talking about chess is a reminder of my past, when I was 14 years old, I joined the chess club at school. And I often won tournaments
at that time, I really loved chess. After I grew up I started to forget chess, because a lot of games that turned out to be more interesting
in my opinion. So it must be recognized why it is rarely popular sports betting platform which includes chess. Because chess's popularity
is decreasing, but I still hope that in the future there will be popular sports betting platform that includes chess. Even though I rarely
play chess, I still love chess. So still watching chess tournament.
Decreasing, no I guess because chess game is easy to play and everyone could learn to play. I agree that the live stream will help this game to gather all individuals who are fun in playing chess. There are many of them actually and here in our place. Before the pandemic I can see many of chess players playing in the busy streets others like in the terminal specifically public transport drivers and operators play this game often.
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Talking about chess is a reminder of my past, when I was 14 years old, I joined the chess club at school. And I often won tournaments
at that time, I really loved chess. After I grew up I started to forget chess, because a lot of games that turned out to be more interesting
in my opinion. So it must be recognized why it is rarely popular sports betting platform which includes chess. Because chess's popularity
is decreasing, but I still hope that in the future there will be popular sports betting platform that includes chess. Even though I rarely
play chess, I still love chess. So still watching chess tournament.
Decreasing, no I guess because chess game is easy to play and everyone could learn to play. I agree that the live stream will help this game to gather all individuals who are fun in playing chess. There are many of them actually and here in our place. Before the pandemic I can see many of chess players playing in the busy streets others like in the terminal specifically public transport drivers and operators play this game often.

No, chess is no easy to play. Everyone can learn to play chess of course but only a few can become a really good player. It is easy to just play for the sake of playing but if money is put at stake, I mean playing with a gamble, it is not that easy.

My observation is that gambling games have the luck factor. In chess, there is no luck involved unless the opponent is careless enough to make a wrong move.
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July 14, 2020, 06:03:31 AM
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No, chess is no easy to play. Everyone can learn to play chess of course but only a few can become a really good player. It is easy to just play for the sake of playing but if money is put at stake, I mean playing with a gamble, it is not that easy.

My observation is that gambling games have the luck factor. In chess, there is no luck involved unless the opponent is careless enough to make a wrong move.

But the elo ranking system in chess is pretty good - if you manage to calibirate all new players after some games. It would be fair if you only match people based on their ranking and avoid any exploitations of good players faking their skill. Two weaker players playing against each other could still be interest.  I really enjoy twitch streams of chess players on different levels. Also, gambling on these matches would be much more interesting and balanced. In the end they would also offer higher odds for players, than just always betting on the grand master with a little payout.
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July 14, 2020, 06:25:21 AM
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No wonder if only a few people who can win the games.
I realize that the highest level and the difficulty will increase apart the games, so that need more skills to win. Usually, we don't need to long to raise the next level, but until we reach the medium level, the hard part will come Wink
I'm not thinking only few people will defeat the highest level. There are always those people who are good at playing chess and won't talk a lot in forums.
To me, the important part is you enjoy the game and if you want to improve the way you play chess just keep going. Those hard levels will eventually be easy to you if you grind on it.
When I watch people playing chess in a public area, I see they are enjoying the game while talking to each other.
Sometimes, the opponent yelling to the other because that person takes a long time to think about the next step.
Maybe reading a book about chess will help us to improve our skills in a chess game, right?
In virtual, I don't think that's going to be allowed. There might be a chat box on the side but microphones, I don't think that's necessary to be added although most esports have their mic-on for the synchronization of their team plays. But in a chess, it's unnecessary.
Experience is still the best teacher to improve though reading books? I prefer to watch than to read.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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July 14, 2020, 04:03:03 PM
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No, chess is no easy to play. Everyone can learn to play chess of course but only a few can become a really good player. It is easy to just play for the sake of playing but if money is put at stake, I mean playing with a gamble, it is not that easy.

My observation is that gambling games have the luck factor. In chess, there is no luck involved unless the opponent is careless enough to make a wrong move.

But the elo ranking system in chess is pretty good - if you manage to calibirate all new players after some games. It would be fair if you only match people based on their ranking and avoid any exploitations of good players faking their skill. Two weaker players playing against each other could still be interest.  I really enjoy twitch streams of chess players on different levels. Also, gambling on these matches would be much more interesting and balanced. In the end they would also offer higher odds for players, than just always betting on the grand master with a little payout.

I beg your pardon if I am not familiar with Elo ranking system.

Chess is always an interesting game of course but sadly one which a lot of friends and even myself do not pursue very seriously due to it being more of a mind game than just another ordinary fun game. Each chess game seems to make use of too much brain cells. Lol. Grin
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