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Question: Who will be the champion in 2024/25 season?
Manchester City - 35 (49.3%)
Liverpool - 10 (14.1%)
Arsenal - 21 (29.6%)
Chelsea - 0 (0%)
Manchester United - 4 (5.6%)
Totenham - 0 (0%)
Newcastle - 0 (0%)
Other - 1 (1.4%)
Total Voters: 71

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October 21, 2023, 11:00:19 PM
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Chelsea currently with Pochetino have quite good development. This means that there is visible progress in Chelsea's training pattern. It seems like the fans just have to be patient and enjoy the process. I think Chelsea should keep him. He's a good coach and has a lot of quality in the League. If they rush to change coaches, I think it will create new problems because players need to adapt again.
Consistentcy is always become the main problem here. I meant chelsea was almost winning the game but after pochettino changed some players like mudryk and everything changed a lot. Some players like jackson does have small work rate. He was not willing to help his club to defend like sterling. This guy is a lazy striker. Pochettino shall try to buy a new striker which was not a lazy striker. Jackson was obviously useless striker here.
Chelsea needs also to play the short ball. Chelsea was making some confussions for arsenal caused by it was very often use the long ball as its weapon and i can see that how frustate arsenal is. Mudryk is improving a lot and his time to train int he club paid him something. Many people are really applausing his goal to the arsenal. Chelsea was almost breaking the unbeatable record by arsenal. Im very disappointed with the performance of some players like jackson. This guy is so garbage.

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October 21, 2023, 11:02:48 PM
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However, I don’t lose hope for Manchester United until I see the end of the game. I don’t think Manchester United will lose to Sheffield United.
Even with Manchester United's poor performance, I knew they would win the match. I was expecting them to struggle before they would be able to win, and it happened. Sheffield United is also a weak team that is currently in a relegation zone. If not for Manchester United's poor performance this season, they should be able to win the match with a wide goal margin, they struggled to score just two goals in the match. But pressure will reduce a little bit on Ten Hag. If Manchester United loses or draws today's match, everyone will already be asking for Ten Hag to be sacked.

The weakest team in the Premier League is Sheffield. So far they have not won any match, even they have managed to earn points in only one match. Their defense is very weak. There was no doubt that Manchester United would win against such a team. Even then, Manchester United's performance was quite poor. I expected a better performance from Manchester United, because the opposition was very weak. If United can't improve on this performance, they won't win against a mediocre team.


Chelsea currently with Pochetino have quite good development. This means that there is visible progress in Chelsea's training pattern. It seems like the fans just have to be patient and enjoy the process. I think Chelsea should keep him. He's a good coach and has a lot of quality in the League. If they rush to change coaches, I think it will create new problems because players need to adapt again.
I can see improvement in Chelsea performance now, and I think Pochetino is beginning to find the perfect pattern that will work for Chelsea. Everyone is just surprised with the way Chelsea played today, it would have been more interesting if Chelsea was able to win the match, but I am still satisfied with the draw with the way they played today, it came as a surprise to most people.

I have no doubt that Chelsea played brilliantly today. It was not easy to get points against Arsenal. Chelsea led 2-0 until 76 minutes. Although Arsenal players attacked a lot, Chelsea players successfully countered every attack. However, after 70 minutes, Chelsea's performance slowed down a bit. Suddenly their performance deteriorates. And so they failed to win the match. But Pochettino seems to be able to gradually stabilize his squad.

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October 21, 2023, 11:03:10 PM
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Liverpool won by 2-0 today maybe but one game could have been played this poorly honestly. After Everton got a red card I thought Liverpool would finish them off easily. But this wasn't what happened. Liverpool still continued to struggle quite much during the game. Despite having the full control they just wasted so many opportunities.

The goals came really late by Salah. He at least put on a show and became the savior. But this team performance needs to be improved for sure. Because it can create some trouble for Liverpool in bigger games later. They need to play more efficiently.

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October 21, 2023, 11:11:53 PM
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Brighton didn't play badly against City... I think City would have won anyway, but a draw could have happened... Chelsea also withstood Arsenal's attacks with dignity and didn't let them earn three points... Generally it's good to see Chesley starting to play well...
It feels like i see a league 1 team gameplay on chelsea. League 1 gamplay is focusing into the long ball and chelsea was performing like a league 1 team. That reminds me when poch was still in PSG. He used this kind of strategy. Chelsea may need also to make sure its club will able to play with short ball as well. Im also willing to see chelsea scoring through openplay. It will be far better if chelsea would have implemented hybrid gameplay like used open gameplay once it was in the penalty box.
Chelsea is missing someone like lampard which is having very good long shoort accuracy. There's no one in chelsea who has proper shoot. Enzo doesn't have good shoot accuracy. He needs to train evne harder to make sure his shoot will not be only wasting the chance.
This is the only thing missed by chelsea. Chelsea needs also to recruit a good striker too. The gameplay and the decipline of club was good but its striker like jackson is too slow.
Chelsea needs to put someone who can play better than jackson. I do support this club to recruit osimhen from napoli or even mbappe after he leaves from PSG.

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October 21, 2023, 11:12:25 PM
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For the first time since the beginning of this campaign I saw Manchester United played a wonderful football, no misunderstanding, they all played as a team like they should have been doing, I don't really know what ETH did since they all got back from international break, what ever he did let him continue.
The way and manner Man UTD played was too flexible, at some point I was wondering how the players get to switch positions on and on and back to their normal position. It's so impressive to me.
If they continue with this style of play I believe before the end of this month Manchester United will be competing for the top 4, if not for the title. I just hope this isn't a temporary form because this is going to help the team in a long while. Also seeing Maguire doing his best in today's game I believe he has gotten that shine back. What a lovely win for UNITED.











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October 21, 2023, 11:24:04 PM
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Man City's attack is having problems. According to statistics, they only hit the target once in the match against Arsenal. Erling Haaland is silent and has not scored in 3 consecutive games. Erling Haaland also showed that he depends too much on Rodri and Kevin de Bruyne. De Bruyne was injured, and Rodri was suspended for 3 matches after the red card he received in the win over Nottingham Forest.
On the other side of the field, Brighton was missing a series of key players, such as Estupiñán, James Milner, and Julio Enciso, due to injury. So, the game tilted heavily in favor of the home team. Pep Guardiola and his teammates aim for their 21st consecutive victory in all competitions at Etihad Stadium. This match, I predict, will have no more than three goals. A score of 2-0 will be a winning result for Man City to get 3 points.
You're right, Erling Haaland seems to be struggling to net goals since the absence of Kelvin De Bruyne and Rodri in previous games. Pep Guardiola will face one of the present competitive coach, Roberto De Zerbi this weekend. Watching both sides recording brilliant and poor performance in league game, it's longer than expected. Brighton have no single concerns in the race for EPL title because as an mediocre team, they know their limits. Manchester City will utilized their chances of using Brighton & Hove Albion to retraced their steps back to winning ways. Though we all are aware of the dangerous threat towards the citizens.

Rodri's return in today's match made Man City's midfield much more secure and contributed significantly to the victory. Rodri came on the field to help his teammates feel secure. He is responsible for distributing the ball and stopping opponents' attacks. In this match, HaalanH-Alvarez scored to help Man City end their losing streak in the Premier League. Man City still completely overwhelmed the away team. Man City defeated Brighton 2-1 to temporarily return to the top of the table.

Pep Guardiola can temporarily rest assured during De Bruyne's injury while Julian Alvarez is more mature and classy in his new position.

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October 21, 2023, 11:40:35 PM
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Liverpool won by 2-0 today maybe but one game could have been played this poorly honestly. After Everton got a red card I thought Liverpool would finish them off easily. But this wasn't what happened. Liverpool still continued to struggle quite much during the game. Despite having the full control they just wasted so many opportunities.

Losing Young in the 35th minute made it very difficult for Everton to defend in this match but interestingly they were still very strong to defend even Liverpool had to wait until Salah's penalty and goal which was enough at 90+7.

Liverpool won very well but apart from some mistakes made by Everton in this match such as some fouls that were not really necessary they defended very well in this match and I appreciate that but on the other hand with this 2-0 score I am also quite happy because my bet is not in vain in this match.











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October 21, 2023, 11:42:03 PM
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Today’s game between Chelsea and Arsenal was an interesting one. Chelsea were really up for the game, Arsenal didn't show any desire till it became 2-0. I don't think Chelsea played well but what they did well was to be the first to any lose balls and chase Arsenal away from the middle out wide. That way Arsenal’s game flow was disrupted. Arsenal got into the game when Jorginho was taken off.  Jorginho wasn’t reading the game. He was too slow. Even while they were losing, he doesn’t release pass on time. You saw the difference when Rice replaced him in front of defense.

Somehow I am disappointed in Chelsea. They started the game very well and they should have won the game, they dominated the game but they kept giving the ball away very stupidly. I'm not surprised they conceded twice in 15 minutes. Although Arsenal have that comeback spirit, so I knew they would come back in the second half.

The two individual errors were costing the club a lot. The goal keeper of chelsea was just fucked the team. I thought that if there was no a mistake from the goal keeper and the second goal will not happen too. It's caused by the first goal was enough in decreasing the mentality owned by the club. The goal keeper was making a serious errors that cost the team three points. Sanchez's wrong pass was so terrible to watch. It was also affecting the performance from chelsea. This guy sometimes play good or bad.
That's probably the reason why chelsea was willing to take maignan from acmilan if there was no good improvements happened to him. Mudryk has been contributing a lot since he was rarely getting the ball.
I do appreaciate the team work here but chelsea is not playing like what it used to be. Malo guston was not guarding trossard. Chelsea is playing so garbage at the second half. The club needs to keep the full-time performance consistently.

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October 21, 2023, 11:45:31 PM
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For the first time since the beginning of this campaign I saw Manchester United played a wonderful football, no misunderstanding, they all played as a team like they should have been doing, I don't really know what ETH did since they all got back from international break, what ever he did let him continue.
The way and manner Man UTD played was too flexible, at some point I was wondering how the players get to switch positions on and on and back to their normal position. It's so impressive to me.
If they continue with this style of play I believe before the end of this month Manchester United will be competing for the top 4, if not for the title. I just hope this isn't a temporary form because this is going to help the team in a long while. Also seeing Maguire doing his best in today's game I believe he has gotten that shine back. What a lovely win for UNITED.
this is not new with this Manchester united team so am really surprised to why you saying this, although united have been really down this fee weeks back but for me it's not a new thing anymore because these guys can actually flip and then played good football and then the next week they begin to flop, so I really don't fully understand their playing form because if you trust them ,thats when you will find out that you were wrong in doing so.
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October 21, 2023, 11:52:23 PM
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I can see improvement in Chelsea performance now, and I think Pochetino is beginning to find the perfect pattern that will work for Chelsea. Everyone is just surprised with the way Chelsea played today, it would have been more interesting if Chelsea was able to win the match, but I am still satisfied with the draw with the way they played today, it came as a surprise to most people.


Yes, it must be admitted that there has been an improvement in Chelsea's game they even managed to control the first half, unfortunately in the second half Arsenal took over the game and equalized the score. Overall not bad, at least both teams played safe by sharing 1 point and Chelsea slowly moved up one place, on the other hand Manchester City managed to take over the standings but if Tottenham win next week then they will take over again because Tottenham will play 1 more match. Anyway, the competition in the standings is getting tighter we have 4 teams competing there and all teams still have the same chance.

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October 21, 2023, 11:55:45 PM
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Losing Young in the 35th minute made it very difficult for Everton to defend in this match but interestingly they were still very strong to defend even Liverpool had to wait until Salah's penalty and goal which was enough at 90+7.

Liverpool won very well but apart from some mistakes made by Everton in this match such as some fouls that were not really necessary they defended very well in this match and I appreciate that but on the other hand with this 2-0 score I am also quite happy because my bet is not in vain in this match.
It is true that losing Young in the 37th minute changed the situation for everton game because they had to balance their strengths as well as possible to provide resistance to liverpool. But still superior in number of players makes liverpool very free to attack everton.


In the second half the deadlock was broken by Salah where he scored 2 goals and helped liverpool win this match. With this victory, Liverpool managed to return to the top 3 and they are only quite close in points to Arsenal and Manchester city. So for Tottenham, they have the opportunity to return to being leaders of the standing if they are able to get full points against Fulham.

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October 21, 2023, 11:58:18 PM
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I am quite happy with this result, because I saw a Chelsea game that could answer the doubts pinned on them. We must know before this match takes place, not many make them as favorites, and even some are very confident saying Arsenal will win. But all that can be answered, especially after they can lead 2 goals in the first half. Entering the second half, Arsenal began to realize that this was not the Chelsea they had seen, and were lucky enough when they could equalize to make the match end with a draw.
I would have liked to see Chelsea win, they shouldnt be on 10th place in the league, for me they belong in the top 5. Today there over 75 minutes they led 2-0 and then just before the end they give the 3 points away. They also had chances for a third goal, but it should not be that today in the derby there is a winner. Chelsea had won there last 3 games, they could have won today there 4th... so close. In a week they play against Brentford, than they win again.
Now if in the end they can continue to maintain their current performance then getting out of a zone that is not too comfortable for them and returning to their rightful position in the top standings I don't think this is a difficult thing to realize but indeed by looking at their current improvement which can be said to be quite drastic in recent weeks the concern that arises for me is when their poor performance comes back suddenly because this will be troublesome.
But indeed now it seems that Chelsea do not want to always be a victim of criticism and the last 3 matches have proven Chelsea that they can improve themselves.

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October 22, 2023, 12:14:08 AM
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It's quite unexpected how Chelsea put on a dazzling display against Arsenal. I must say, Pochettino displayed his expertise in understanding Arsenal's game. It was a truly remarkable match for Chelsea, especially with them taking the lead early on. If not for that blunder by the goalkeeper, Robert Sanchez, it shouldn't have been necessary. It was indeed an unlucky day for Chelsea and their keeper.

This outcome has truly lifted Chelsea from their slump, where in this game, they managed to wrest the temporary league leader status away from Arsenal. This turning point might pose a threat from Chelsea to the "Big Six" teams in the EPL. It seems that Palmer is gaining more freedom to maneuver with the ball in the opponent's defensive area. I commend his performance.
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October 22, 2023, 12:15:12 AM
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For the first time since the beginning of this campaign I saw Manchester United played a wonderful football, no misunderstanding, they all played as a team like they should have been doing, I don't really know what ETH did since they all got back from international break, what ever he did let him continue.
The way and manner Man UTD played was too flexible, at some point I was wondering how the players get to switch positions on and on and back to their normal position. It's so impressive to me.
If they continue with this style of play I believe before the end of this month Manchester United will be competing for the top 4, if not for the title. I just hope this isn't a temporary form because this is going to help the team in a long while. Also seeing Maguire doing his best in today's game I believe he has gotten that shine back. What a lovely win for UNITED.
this is not new with this Manchester united team so am really surprised to why you saying this, although united have been really down this fee weeks back but for me it's not a new thing anymore because these guys can actually flip and then played good football and then the next week they begin to flop, so I really don't fully understand their playing form because if you trust them ,thats when you will find out that you were wrong in doing so.

Never have I trusted these guys in any way, is just that they played out something different and you would agree with me that the way they played is different from their last two games, let's forget the fact that they won their last game and they played a struggling Sheffield UTD.
But all I'm saying is that they played a good football and this has nothing to do with trust because they can decide to mess up in their next game but let's appreciate their improvement.











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October 22, 2023, 01:20:56 AM
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It's quite unexpected how Chelsea put on a dazzling display against Arsenal. I must say, Pochettino displayed his expertise in understanding Arsenal's game. It was a truly remarkable match for Chelsea, especially with them taking the lead early on. If not for that blunder by the goalkeeper, Robert Sanchez, it shouldn't have been necessary. It was indeed an unlucky day for Chelsea and their keeper.

This outcome has truly lifted Chelsea from their slump, where in this game, they managed to wrest the temporary league leader status away from Arsenal. This turning point might pose a threat from Chelsea to the "Big Six" teams in the EPL. It seems that Palmer is gaining more freedom to maneuver with the ball in the opponent's defensive area. I commend his performance.

I dunno how the long ball of chelsea was working pretty well against arsenal. Arsenal has zero shots on target during the first half. Very bad to see how mudryk must be leaving from the field. Pochettino once again did another wrong substitution. Jackson shall have replaced sterling instead of mudryk. Pochettino is always so stupid in determining which was player that must be substituted in or out. Pochettino substitutes made no sense. I was so skeptical after i saw that if mudryk becomes the player who being replaced by pochettino.
Palmer and mudryk deserves to play full time against arsenal. Sterling needs to be replaced by broja not jackson. Broja has better experience compared with jackson.
This is my main reason why chelsea was getting draw against arsenal when the club was leading two goals.

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October 22, 2023, 01:29:11 AM
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For the first time since the beginning of this campaign I saw Manchester United played a wonderful football, no misunderstanding, they all played as a team like they should have been doing, I don't really know what ETH did since they all got back from international break, what ever he did let him continue.
The way and manner Man UTD played was too flexible, at some point I was wondering how the players get to switch positions on and on and back to their normal position. It's so impressive to me.
If they continue with this style of play I believe before the end of this month Manchester United will be competing for the top 4, if not for the title. I just hope this isn't a temporary form because this is going to help the team in a long while. Also seeing Maguire doing his best in today's game I believe he has gotten that shine back. What a lovely win for UNITED.
this is not new with this Manchester united team so am really surprised to why you saying this, although united have been really down this fee weeks back but for me it's not a new thing anymore because these guys can actually flip and then played good football and then the next week they begin to flop, so I really don't fully understand their playing form because if you trust them ,thats when you will find out that you were wrong in doing so.
Never have I trusted these guys in any way, is just that they played out something different and you would agree with me that the way they played is different from their last two games, let's forget the fact that they won their last game and they played a struggling Sheffield UTD.
But all I'm saying is that they played a good football and this has nothing to do with trust because they can decide to mess up in their next game but let's appreciate their improvement.

Manchester United won against Sheffield but I am not satisfied with their performance. Sheffield United are the weakest team in the Premier League this season. And so I thought I would see the dominance of Manchester United players in this match. But the United team failed to dominate the match. Manchester United had a good performance against Brentford in the previous match before this match. .

However, in the next three matches they will play consecutively against Copenhagen, Manchester City and Newcastle. These three matches are very important for Manchester United. I am looking forward to see how United's players perform in these three matches. Even if they do well in these three games, I'd say Manchester United are back on track. And they could be in the top four of the Premier League table this season as well.

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I dunno how the long ball of chelsea was working pretty well against arsenal. Arsenal has zero shots on target during the first half. Very bad to see how mudryk must be leaving from the field. Pochettino once again did another wrong substitution.

This is my main reason why chelsea was getting draw against arsenal when the club was leading two goals.
Chelsea with this good performance against Arsenal, shows some signals that they are able to come back very strongly in rest of season. Before this match, they had some good matches but this big match is really helpful for Chelsea to feel they are like a big club again. They nearly won over Arsenal and I agree with you that if Pochettino made better substitutions, Chelsea would have not given opportunities for Arsenal to equalize the match in second half.

Liverpool won by 2-0 today maybe but one game could have been played this poorly honestly. After Everton got a red card I thought Liverpool would finish them off easily. But this wasn't what happened. Liverpool still continued to struggle quite much during the game. Despite having the full control they just wasted so many opportunities.

The goals came really late by Salah. He at least put on a show and became the savior. But this team performance needs to be improved for sure. Because it can create some trouble for Liverpool in bigger games later. They need to play more efficiently.
Liverpool dominated that match but they failed to have goals in a first half by wasting many opportunities. Even the red card of Ashley Young could not help Liverpool to open the match in the first half.

Anyway, with their domination and advantage of one more player on field than Everton, Liverpool eventually found an opening goal from Salah's penalty shot. They continued to create some more chances but it's not a good match of their attacking players as they wasted chances in second half too. Only in late minute, Salah scored a second goal to finalize a match for them. Generally it is not an impressive win for Liverpool but 3 points are enough for them to continue racing with Tottenham. It means more when Arsenal lost two points in the match with Chelsea.

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October 22, 2023, 01:48:40 AM
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Chelsea with this good performance against Arsenal, shows some signals that they are able to come back very strongly in rest of season. Before this match, they had some good matches but this big match is really helpful for Chelsea to feel they are like a big club again. They nearly won over Arsenal and I agree with you that if Pochettino made better substitutions, Chelsea would have not given opportunities for Arsenal to equalize the match in second half.
Pochettino managed to take control of the second half, but luck favored Arsenal. Yes, Chelsea lost two valuable points despite their strong dominance in the early stages of the second half. I was very confident that Chelsea could add another goal during the second half, but fate had different plans.

For now, this youthful Chelsea squad can extract valuable lessons from this match. Delivering a strong performance against Arsenal certainly rekindles the hope of a comeback and competing with the top 5 clubs in the EPL. Perhaps Chelsea has truly awakened from its two-season slumber.

So, it seems Man United is the next one in line that needs to start making some improvements.
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October 22, 2023, 02:21:01 AM
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Manchester united might have scored the 1st goal but they're not really performing well against Sheffield United, a team that's I'm the Champions League shouldn't be performing poorly against Sheffield United, I don't understand why their players would be doing very well in their country matches and even score goals and give assists but find it difficult to perform like that in the league matches, they're still very wrong in their decision making they barely understand themselves on the pitch and always give wrong passes.
I completely disagree with you. From my point of view, Man United played quite well tonight. Even though this wasn't their best form, but they still had a pretty good rhythm and they were able to create some good chances. Actually, Man United could have scored more than two goals, it's just that there were several opportunities that couldn't be exploited optimally and two of them had to hit the crossbar. I think Man United deserved this victory because their performance was much better than Sheffield United.

I don't think Manchester United played very well today. I'm not thinking this because Manchester United played  today against Sheffield  United, the weakest team in the Premier League. Sheffield United is a team that has managed  to earn only 1 point in 9 matches. They lost all 8 matches. And  Sheffield's defense is one of the weakest in the Premier League. When a giant team like Manchester United plays against such a team, naturally we would expect Manchester United to dominate the match and win quite easily.  But United could not dominate this match. It was very difficult for them to get 3 points in this match. That's why I won't say that Manchester United's performance was good in today's match.
Though Manchester United were able to secure a win against Sheffield United tonight, but I don't think they had an impressive performance in that very game. It took a spectacular strike from United defender Diogo Dalot to help them secure all three points from that game.
United manager Erik Ten Hag must understand that there's a lot to do in this current team as they're struggling at the moment to deliver good results for the club. If United plays against bigger clubs the same way they performed against Sheffield United tonight, they'll be beaten.
Manchester United won this match but they did not do well in this match. It is not often seen that a relatively well performing team only fails to score and is defeated in today's match. If Manchester United is considered as one of the best clubs in English Premier League then it will not be wrong, if the best club performs so poorly then how will they perform against stronger club than them. Erik Ten Hag is trying to do enough with Manchester United but he is not succeeding at all. As good as they finished the season last season, they may finish the season as badly this season. Manchester United's position should have been higher than 9th in the points table. In nine matches they have lost four matches and they have won five matches making their winning percentage sixty percent. How far can they go in the Premier League with a 60 percent win?

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October 22, 2023, 03:16:29 AM
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Manchester United won this match but they did not do well in this match. It is not often seen that a relatively well performing team only fails to score and is defeated in today's match. If Manchester United is considered as one of the best clubs in English Premier League then it will not be wrong, if the best club performs so poorly then how will they perform against stronger club than them. Erik Ten Hag is trying to do enough with Manchester United but he is not succeeding at all. As good as they finished the season last season, they may finish the season as badly this season. Manchester United's position should have been higher than 9th in the points table. In nine matches they have lost four matches and they have won five matches making their winning percentage sixty percent. How far can they go in the Premier League with a 60 percent win?

This game was anything but certainly not a feast for the eyes of football fans. I would not classify Manchester United as one of the best teams in the Premier League.  If Liverpool and Tottenham play a normal season, it won't end with the Champions League qualification for them this year. The reason they were able to sneak themselves in last season was because teams that are usually stronger tremendously underperformed. Liverpool, Tottenham, and Chelsea. While Chelsea is even weaker than Manchester United, I think Liverpool and Tottenham are on a good way to play a decent season, which will make it hard for Manchester United.

The biggest problem they have had for weeks now is their offensive game. Out of the teams ranked from 1st to 8th, Manchester United scored 11 goals. The next teams are ranked 4th and 2nd and both scored 18 goals. Apart from the relegation zone Manchester United has one of the weakest attacking lines in the Premier League. It was the same problem when they finished 4th last season and out of the teams ranked 1st to 9th they had the second weakest attacking line.

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