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[Beparanf]

I agree with you but a point i will address is the lack of protection casinos have in place to stop it from happening. I am from an unrestricted country but lived in the uk for a time, and since the UKGC is the worst regulatory body ive played under, bringing in constant changes to "protect players", which is just a nice way of saying to make the games less fun and to benefit casinos by not changing the glaring issues with terms & conditions, I quickly opted to avoid that mess and use a vpn to connect to where i am actually from. I do have the benefit of having a passport from there and an address, even when i didnt live there, though, so kyc was never an issue. Almost never. But my point is, i exclusively played outside of the uk regulated zone so i could play without restrictions of 2+seconds minimum between spins, no fast spins, less favourable bonuses, etc, and not once had an issue, aside from william hill who detect a vpn quite consistently. For clarity i use proton vpn, the only one worth having for my use case, due to it being open source and forms part of the broader proton suite such as mail, pass and drive. It is fairly low risk until you bring kyc into the equation, but some sites dont require it unless you are a high roller, which im about as far away from being as the sun is to us.

It’s player responsibility to always check the ToS and analyze your current situation before you gamble on a licensed casino. I’m sure you knew to yourself that you are a restricted player due to your country while using VPN will surely not gonna make you forget that you are being restricted regardless if you are on different country since you will need to submit valid ID later on once KYC was enforced.

We shouldn’t leave to the casino the judgement whether we are restricted or not since they are online casino and there’s a lot of ways to  bypass their restrictions until you requested KYC.

[DYING_S0UL]

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

Well, in that case, you can use the Betfury site without problems. But keep in mind that if the authorities in your country start to regulate it, and Betfury decides to adjust to them by adding the country to the list of restricted countries, then you will not be able to use your betfury account as usual. In this case, the site won't let you authorize because the corresponding pop-up window will appear every time.

I am USA so I am restricted. I could play around and use a vpn but I don't.

If you want to play online betting find out if there is a proper way or casino. If there is not you would be triple gambling.

1) the bet at the casino
2) the casino refuses payment if you win because you are not allowed to play.
3) your government figures out you bet and if you got paid takes the winning or just charges you with the crime of playing.


so 3x the bets for one bet.

Man that seems like too much hassle for me! For smaller amount, I guess it won't matter even if I got banned! But for a bigger amount, I wouldn't be comfortable taking that 3x bet, not worth the risk! Lol...Anyway I asked one of my local folks who is also involved with gambling. And he said he had been gambling despite the ban, he had no issue (without VPN)!

Btw, keep in mind, gambling isn't heavily regulated here much. And I'm highly sure that the situation here won't change overnight! So even if they impose a strict rule, it would take a lot of time! One thing I'm skeptical about is the platform (not betfury specifically), itself! By default, the countries that are in the restricted list, if anyone tries to access from such geo location the site should automatically block the access or at least give a warning that your IP belong to a restricted location.

[o48o]

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

Well, in that case, you can use the Betfury site without problems. But keep in mind that if the authorities in your country start to regulate it, and Betfury decides to adjust to them by adding the country to the list of restricted countries, then you will not be able to use your betfury account as usual. In this case, the site won't let you authorize because the corresponding pop-up window will appear every time.

What do you mean? It if it's prohibited, then authorities of that country have already regulated it. Betfury is just not prioritizing to update their ToS. And i am honestly not sure what their priorities are.

The rtp of the in-house games are, for all intents and purposes, completely fictional. Through a lengthy back and forth after i became suspicious, the most i could get out of them was a certificate for their prng for the in-house games, which has no bearing on the actual rtp. I'd be happy to answer questions in relation to what they responded with on various questions i asked, but i will hold off on going into detail now, more so to save myself time. I've hopes that maybe a community such as this will pressure them into following through with getting the games tested by a 3rd party, which in their own words have told me they currently are not. They are only tested by themselves, and lets be honest here, we are hardly supposed to be expected to go by what they say in regards to their own game's fairness when they have a profit motive. It is just a shame because it was my favourite casino from the point of registering and remained so for around 4 days, until enough time and bets were placed for things to start appearing "off". The fact they proudly display the rtp as a financially motivated clickbaity factor is rather concerning, as if they cannot verify something as simple as the rtp of games they designed themselves, or give any insight into how theyve tested it themselves, then what else are they doing that hasnt been noticed yet.

I am not even fan of Betfury, but this seems nonsense. You claim that they aren't tested by third party, which is just a lie, and it's your word against actual audit, so maybe you should contact to SIQ and complain to them instead, if you think they did such a horrible job? They recommend to do so in their report as well:

If any parties dispute our findings, or may present evidence or information
contrary to our findings, SIQ would welcome the addition of this information for our consideration.

[blockman]

prohibited countries is the same as restricted countries.
so if your country is not in the restricted list in the terms, you are okay to register, you should only worry about your country laws and if you will get in trouble doing so.

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

He's right, if your country isn't listed on restricted countries for betfury then you should be fine. That's their platform's rule but I understand that you're also having a hard time whether to pursue or not because of the laws about crypto in your country.

By default, the countries that are in the restricted list, if anyone tries to access from such geo location the site should automatically block the access or at least give a warning that your IP belong to a restricted location.

Typically they block the IP address from those restricted countries. But I've seen somehow that there could be times that one might be able to visit it a few times, maybe sort of server issues but it comes back quickly to inaccessible. They're even stricter and works easier because of KYC.

[Rruchi man]

Do you know how many people lack the ability to take a step back when they know the market is volatile? They keep trying to beat the market, forgetting that staying out of the market when the market is volatile to avoid loss is also you winning.

Do you think this ability to take a step back from the market in volatile times is something that is developed or an inborn ability?

I think it all depends on your ambition, which must be controlled. Sometimes staying out of the market when investors are undecided which way to go is the best thing to do and avoids losing money.

Having ambition is good up to a point, but too much ambition can directly influence our trading performance and cause us to lose money. This is something I'm learning little by little, as it's a process that takes time.

Having too much ambition is not a problem. We should never stop ourselves from becoming overambitious, but rather we should train ourselves to exercise self-control while we are ambitious. Ambition without self-control will lead to lessons.

It's funny that when I do futures trades on BetFury, I don't get as apprehensive as if I were trading on the exchange, could it be because I'm betting? I'm much more cautious on an exchange, is that the same for you guys?

Psychology, perhaps, is the thought that you are on a gambling platform, and an exchange forces different behaviors. On a gambling platform, it can be considered that you are there to have fun, but while you're in an exchange, there is always this consciousness that you will need to be serious.

[BlackyJacky]

@Dicbac

The gaming software can be modified after a test, therefore a test is senseless!

But everyone can check if a game is rigged:

If your experienced house edge is higher than the advertised house edge plus maximal possible deviation, determined by the law of large numbers, than the gaming software is rigged!

[Zwei]

Furthermore i was told i could test the games myself over a large number of games and verify it myself - partial quote: "For now, the RTP is based on our internal testing. You can also verify it yourself by placing a large number of bets — for example, around a million bets with the minimum amount of 0.00000001. Over such a long run, you'll see that the RTP is accurate." Needless to say, how dare they even suggest such a thing, i already felt like i was being robbed, so how is this in any way an appropriate suggestion to make?

umm... i think it's a reasonable suggestion to make.
since you are claiming that "The rtp of the in-house games are, for all intents and purposes, completely fictional." it shouldn't be so hard for you to calculate the house edge for each game without even needing to do a million bets, which in return will show you if the expected RTP is accurate or not.

and after all, the burden of evidence lies with the one making the accusation.
so where is your proof that the RTP is fake?

The gaming software can be modified after a test, therefore a test is senseless!

But everyone can check if a game is rigged:

If your experienced house edge is higher than the advertised house edge plus maximal possible deviation, determined by the law of large numbers, than the gaming software is rigged!

oh look, it's the dumbass who doesn't even understand basic math or how the house edge works is saying big words to sound smart.

[Strongkored]

Has anyone experienced the same thing as me, where sports betting on betfury is not available? the explanation is that it is only temporary.

Initially I couldn't access it because it always came up on a page with a statement that my area was prohibited for sports betting, but when I tried for the third time the notification was different and sports betting was temporarily unavailable.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Has anyone experienced the same thing as me, where sports betting on betfury is not available? the explanation is that it is only temporary.

Initially I couldn't access it because it always came up on a page with a statement that my area was prohibited for sports betting, but when I tried for the third time the notification was different and sports betting was temporarily unavailable.

It happened to me before but just for a very very short time. Like the site (sports) is loading and loading and then just stays black. After reloading the site it's mostly working then. Never seen a "temporarily unavailable" message or anything, just the loading process was a bit odd.
Maybe you just got unlucky and it was during some brief maintenance or something like that.

[TopTort777]

Has anyone experienced the same thing as me, where sports betting on betfury is not available? the explanation is that it is only temporary.

Initially I couldn't access it because it always came up on a page with a statement that my area was prohibited for sports betting, but when I tried for the third time the notification was different and sports betting was temporarily unavailable.

I think it has something to do with your connection or internet provider directly. I sometimes face quite similar problems you had, sometimes sports betting is not available for my region, but then after a refresh it works. Or sometimes BetFury temporary ban me for unknown reason, even though it was first page access in last days or weeks. That is most annoying, as I visit them on purpose to check what is new, and they ban me

[BlackyJacky]

The gaming software can be modified after a test, therefore a test is senseless!

But everyone can check if a game is rigged:

If your experienced house edge is higher than the advertised house edge plus maximal possible deviation, determined by the law of large numbers, than the gaming software is rigged!

oh look, it's the dumbass who doesn't even understand basic math or how the house edge works is saying big words to sound smart.

How does the casino collect the house edge?

A) Reduces the house edge from every bet amount

B) Via the number of bets a player loses more than it wins

[Taskford]

Has anyone experienced the same thing as me, where sports betting on betfury is not available? the explanation is that it is only temporary.

Initially I couldn't access it because it always came up on a page with a statement that my area was prohibited for sports betting, but when I tried for the third time the notification was different and sports betting was temporarily unavailable.

It happens to me when my connection is so slow but aside from that  I can always access their sports betting.

Try to access them now https://betfury.com/sports since upon check I can able to view this without any problem. But if you think there's nothing wrong on your network connectivity I guess maybe their support can do something to help you solve that kind of issue.

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[Forsyth Jones]

Having too much ambition is not a problem. We should never stop ourselves from becoming overambitious, but rather we should train ourselves to exercise self-control while we are ambitious. Ambition without self-control will lead to lessons.

Ambition, if used rationally, can bring interesting results. Having ambition is not bad. If we use it as a guide to achieve certain goals aligned with discipline, we'll certainly have fewer headaches.

Has anyone experienced the same thing as me, where sports betting on betfury is not available? the explanation is that it is only temporary.

Initially I couldn't access it because it always came up on a page with a statement that my area was prohibited for sports betting, but when I tried for the third time the notification was different and sports betting was temporarily unavailable.

When this happens to me, I just reload the page and everything goes back to normal. In any case, if the problem is very recurring, the best thing to do is to contact support and explain the situation in detail.

[Bitcoinsummoner]

Well, in that case, you can use the Betfury site without problems. But keep in mind that if the authorities in your country start to regulate it, and Betfury decides to adjust to them by adding the country to the list of restricted countries, then you will not be able to use your betfury account as usual. In this case, the site won't let you authorize because the corresponding pop-up window will appear every time.

If a country gives perfect permission to use Betfury, then why should we face complications in using it? I did not understand that well, brother. Although gambling or casino games are illegal in many countries of the world, why would there be legal complications in those countries where this gambling or casino has legal opportunities?

[Strongkored]

@AHOYBRAUSE @TopTort777 @Taskford @Forsyth Jones
Now I have accessed the betfury sports betting page without any problems.
Maybe it is because my internet connection is having problems, but I don't know for sure because I can access other bookmakers without any problems.
And now trying to bet on the UCL match that will take place tomorrow.

[Dicbac]

I agree with you but a point i will address is the lack of protection casinos have in place to stop it from happening. I am from an unrestricted country but lived in the uk for a time, and since the UKGC is the worst regulatory body ive played under, bringing in constant changes to "protect players", which is just a nice way of saying to make the games less fun and to benefit casinos by not changing the glaring issues with terms & conditions, I quickly opted to avoid that mess and use a vpn to connect to where i am actually from. I do have the benefit of having a passport from there and an address, even when i didnt live there, though, so kyc was never an issue. Almost never. But my point is, i exclusively played outside of the uk regulated zone so i could play without restrictions of 2+seconds minimum between spins, no fast spins, less favourable bonuses, etc, and not once had an issue, aside from william hill who detect a vpn quite consistently. For clarity i use proton vpn, the only one worth having for my use case, due to it being open source and forms part of the broader proton suite such as mail, pass and drive. It is fairly low risk until you bring kyc into the equation, but some sites dont require it unless you are a high roller, which im about as far away from being as the sun is to us.

It’s player responsibility to always check the ToS and analyze your current situation before you gamble on a licensed casino. I’m sure you knew to yourself that you are a restricted player due to your country while using VPN will surely not gonna make you forget that you are being restricted regardless if you are on different country since you will need to submit valid ID later on once KYC was enforced.

We shouldn’t leave to the casino the judgement whether we are restricted or not since they are online casino and there’s a lot of ways to  bypass their restrictions until you requested KYC.

Yeah obviously, pretty much all crypto casinos are banned in the UK, I'm not sure on your point youre trying to make, i stated that i have benefit of kyc documents in my possession for both countries, mine and the uk, and i stated that its low risk until you bring kyc into the equation. Referring to the lack of protection against this happening. All casinos are guilty of letting players in that technically shouldnt be allowed in but that circumvent the restriction, though the casino is doing nothing wrong if they are using the level of security required by law, they gain from the extra influx of players and so does the player, though the player needs to use a few braincells to determine if they will be required to pass kyc, and if so, do they have the documents required to do so. Some casinos are more lenient than others, so every one is unique from the same parent owner of the operating site/s.

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

Well, in that case, you can use the Betfury site without problems. But keep in mind that if the authorities in your country start to regulate it, and Betfury decides to adjust to them by adding the country to the list of restricted countries, then you will not be able to use your betfury account as usual. In this case, the site won't let you authorize because the corresponding pop-up window will appear every time.

What do you mean? It if it's prohibited, then authorities of that country have already regulated it. Betfury is just not prioritizing to update their ToS. And i am honestly not sure what their priorities are.

The rtp of the in-house games are, for all intents and purposes, completely fictional. Through a lengthy back and forth after i became suspicious, the most i could get out of them was a certificate for their prng for the in-house games, which has no bearing on the actual rtp. I'd be happy to answer questions in relation to what they responded with on various questions i asked, but i will hold off on going into detail now, more so to save myself time. I've hopes that maybe a community such as this will pressure them into following through with getting the games tested by a 3rd party, which in their own words have told me they currently are not. They are only tested by themselves, and lets be honest here, we are hardly supposed to be expected to go by what they say in regards to their own game's fairness when they have a profit motive. It is just a shame because it was my favourite casino from the point of registering and remained so for around 4 days, until enough time and bets were placed for things to start appearing "off". The fact they proudly display the rtp as a financially motivated clickbaity factor is rather concerning, as if they cannot verify something as simple as the rtp of games they designed themselves, or give any insight into how theyve tested it themselves, then what else are they doing that hasnt been noticed yet.

I am not even fan of Betfury, but this seems nonsense. You claim that they aren't tested by third party, which is just a lie, and it's your word against actual audit, so maybe you should contact to SIQ and complain to them instead, if you think they did such a horrible job? They recommend to do so in their report as well:

If any parties dispute our findings, or may present evidence or information
contrary to our findings, SIQ would welcome the addition of this information for our consideration.

This is just what they've told me as i've tried to seek proof from them in any way. I'm not going to play into what you're saying, it is what i was told and i wasnt shown any documents, aside from the prng one which was irrelevant to me as the conversation was always regarding the rtp. I will post the full transcript if you want.

EDIT: You've literally just linked the prng document too smh

[iv4n]

There's usually a lot of talk about the BFG token in this thread, but there's been very little of it lately. The price is going down, slowly, but it's going down...



So the question is whether this decline will stop (and maybe we can expect some uptrend?) or the price will continue to fall. I still have many months to wait, but I'm interested in whether anyone has any predictions. Short and long-term predictions.

[Rruchi man]

Now I have accessed the betfury sports betting page without any problems.

Problems or issues with accessing Betfury platform are usually temporary, most times the issues are as a result of internet connection.

but I don't know for sure because I can access other bookmakers without any problems.

This issue is not peculiar to the Betfury platform; there are other casinos (I will not like to mention names) where I have experienced issues when trying to just access the platform.

And now trying to bet on the UCL match that will take place tomorrow.

Who are you going to bet on?

Tell me ARSENAL!!!

[blockman]

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So the question is whether this decline will stop (and maybe we can expect some uptrend?) or the price will continue to fall. I still have many months to wait, but I'm interested in whether anyone has any predictions. Short and long-term predictions.

I have no predictions but I think once this Trump's doing is done, the price is going to stabilize at least.