Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs

[5flags]

How can you be a "professional anarchist" and believe bitcoin needs to be sharia compliant at the same time?

Seriously, does your head even parse what you write before you hit "post"? Or do you honestly believe that's what I wrote?

[ahmedjadoon]

As far as I understand, aren't people already allowed to designate whoever they want as their beneficiary in their will? Seems like the tools are there already for someone to designate that all their assets be inherited by a male heir, or not inherited by an "unbeliever".

That being said, it's absurd that religious legal terminology and precedents should be getting incorporated into the UK's legal system.

You may be right. If I write my daughter is half of a human being compared to her brother regarding my wealth, then this shall be the law of the land.
I did not know the tools for discrimination of any kind were legally binding thanks to a simple will.

I learn something new everyday.

She is no half of human being.But in Islamic Society it is responsibility of male to look after all his family financial needs.Females just have to look after children.So man inherit double that of a woman.

[Wilikon]

As far as I understand, aren't people already allowed to designate whoever they want as their beneficiary in their will? Seems like the tools are there already for someone to designate that all their assets be inherited by a male heir, or not inherited by an "unbeliever".

That being said, it's absurd that religious legal terminology and precedents should be getting incorporated into the UK's legal system.

You may be right. If I write my daughter is half of a human being compared to her brother regarding my wealth, then this shall be the law of the land.
I did not know the tools for discrimination of any kind were legally binding thanks to a simple will.

I learn something new everyday.

She is no half of human being.But in Islamic Society it is responsibility of male to look after all his family financial needs.Females just have to look after children.So man inherit double that of a woman.

Even though I do not agree with it I kinda maybe sightly relatively understand the logic behind it, men, versus women in transfer of money (did I say i don't really get it but...) presented by you.

The part I truly don't understand is why this belief regarding the transfer of belongings also is the law regarding being a witness? I could be wrong but in SOME (maybe not all) islamist countries, the testimony of a woman is half as valid as the testimony of a men, when both were witness of the same case (crime, hit and run, etc, etc). I could be wrong and that could simply be an internet urban legend of course... Hopefully you will educate me on that subject.

That is another thing about bitcoin not being halal compliant, nor christian laws compliant, nor kosher compliant. Because we want bitcoin to be truly universal everyone can do what they please with their belief system, but some so called professional anarchist on this thread would love of having this NOT to be the case 

[Wilikon]

That is another thing about bitcoin not being halal compliant, nor christian laws compliant, nor kosher compliant.

By the sound of it, bitcoin is halal. You don't need to change it to make it so, it just is, like vegetables or bricks. What do you propose doing in order to specifically make bitcoin haram, and why bother?

I am not. It is a short thread. You'll see who would want that change by scrolling back... up.

[practicaldreamer]

It is considered to be one of the factors behind the possible secession of Scotland.

This is bollocks. If anything the Scots are more accepting of immigration and multiculturalism than the English,

Yes, agreed. The vote for independence has nothing to do with immigrants/multiculturalism. Scotland has a long and proud history of assimilating many different ethnic groups - as diverse as the Irish, the Italians , South East Asians, as well as the English (who on their own form 10% of the Scottish population).
    There has been some problems (Catholics/Protestants for e.g.) - but this has nothing to do with the independence debate.


   The SNP has nothing in common with the BNP, for example - other than the unfortunate similarity in name.

[Wilikon]

What do you propose doing in order to make bitcoin haram?

I am not. It is a short thread. You'll see who would want that change by scrolling back... up.

I read the thread. 5flags is arguing that bitcoin is halal:

It turns out that Bitcoin is more aligned with Islamic notions of money than fiat.

You are arguing that it shouldn't be halal (i.e. that it should be haram):

That is another thing about bitcoin not being halal compliant...

What changes do you want to make to make sure it is not halal? (and for what strange reason do you want this?)

Not stating bitcoin is or is not halal or haram or kosher or pure... is the "changes" I want to make, i.e., zero changes at all.... But I understand your position. We need to remind some folks around here it is safe to use it as it is halal and sharia law compliant. Folks will feel safer to use a bunch of codes to buy their condoms online, but only after the blessing from their spiritual leader, praying with their hands hovering an unplugged Linksys 54G router...

Makes perfect sense

[bryant.coleman]

Folks will feel safer to use a bunch of codes to buy their condoms online, but only after the blessing from their spiritual leader, praying with their hands hovering an unplugged Linksys 54G router...

Check this:

The Fatwa Against Women Touching Bananas and Other Stupid Islamic Orders

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/10/the-fatwa-against-women-touching-bananas-and-other-stupid-islamic-orders.html

“If women wish to eat these food items, a third party, preferably a male related to them such as their a father or husband, should cut the items into small pieces and serve,” the cleric supposedly dictated.

[master-P]

Folks will feel safer to use a bunch of codes to buy their condoms online, but only after the blessing from their spiritual leader, praying with their hands hovering an unplugged Linksys 54G router...

Check this:

The Fatwa Against Women Touching Bananas and Other Stupid Islamic Orders

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/10/the-fatwa-against-women-touching-bananas-and-other-stupid-islamic-orders.html

“If women wish to eat these food items, a third party, preferably a male related to them such as their a father or husband, should cut the items into small pieces and serve,” the cleric supposedly dictated.

That story is fake.

[Sithara007]

The place where I live, only around 10% of the population is Muslim. Yet, most of the restaurants serve only Halal meat. I find this very irritating, that our rights are being trampled in favor of a vocal minority.

[tins]

The place where I live, only around 10% of the population is Muslim. Yet, most of the restaurants serve only Halal meat. I find this very irritating, that our rights are being trampled in favor of a vocal minority.

Is it illegal for the restaurants to serve other meats? Or, is it legal and with their freedom, they choose not to?

[bryant.coleman]

Is it illegal for the restaurants to serve other meats? Or, is it legal and with their freedom, they choose not to?

Legality might not be an issue. Muslims will boycott the restaurant if it serves non-Halal meat. No restaurant owner want to lose a segment which is more than 10% of the population.

[master-P]

The place where I live, only around 10% of the population is Muslim. Yet, most of the restaurants serve only Halal meat. I find this very irritating, that our rights are being trampled in favor of a vocal minority.

How exactly does a restaurant catering to certain people constitute a trampling of your rights? Businesses are free to cater to whatever demographic they wish. I'm sure you can find restaurants that cater to you and your ilk, and if not then hey, there's a great business idea for you. I'm sure many people in the middle east aren't too happy having the 'American dream' exported to them via the greatest arsenal of weaponry mankind has ever seen. The western world has murdered and denied the most basic human rights to countless people in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere and you're irritated that a few restaurants in your area choose to serve halal meat because it's good for their business? Gee, I wonder how those people who had their entire lives destroyed by the defenders of 'freedom and liberty' must feel compared to your major dilemma...

Who cares right? It's not like they're humans or anything, just savages living in the stone age, much like the aboriginals and blacks of yesteryear.

[hilariousandco]

The place where I live, only around 10% of the population is Muslim. Yet, most of the restaurants serve only Halal meat. I find this very irritating, that our rights are being trampled in favor of a vocal minority.

Hahahaha. Typical anti-Muslim crap. There's a simple solution to your problem: Don't eat there. Restaurants or businesses can sell whatever they want. I'd love to know how your rights are being trampled on here? You have a right not to take your custom there and they have a right to serve halal meat.

[bryant.coleman]

Hahahaha. Typical anti-Muslim crap. There's a simple solution to your problem: Don't eat there. Restaurants or businesses can sell whatever they want. I'd love to know how your rights are being trampled on here? You have a right not to take your custom there and they have a right to serve halal meat.

I disagree with that. If 10% of the population has the right to have halal meat, then the remaining 90% of the population also has the right to have non-Halal meat. The problem is that the latter part is avoided or ignored.

[hilariousandco]

Hahahaha. Typical anti-Muslim crap. There's a simple solution to your problem: Don't eat there. Restaurants or businesses can sell whatever they want. I'd love to know how your rights are being trampled on here? You have a right not to take your custom there and they have a right to serve halal meat.

I disagree with that. If 10% of the population has the right to have halal meat, then the remaining 90% of the population also has the right to have non-Halal meat. The problem is that the latter part is avoided or ignored.

I don't get your logic. They do have the right. They have the right to go and get it and not eat at Halal restaurants. Hardly anybody cares about eating Halal meat anyway unless you're an anti-Islamist.

[bryant.coleman]

Hardly anybody cares about eating Halal meat anyway unless you're an anti-Islamist.

What sort of logic this is? I don't want to eat Halal because that type of meat is produced after slaughtering the animals painfully. And how does not liking Halal meat going to make me an anti-Islamist?

[hilariousandco]

Hardly anybody cares about eating Halal meat anyway unless you're an anti-Islamist.

What sort of logic this is? I don't want to eat Halal because that type of meat is produced after slaughtering the animals painfully. And how does not liking Halal meat going to make me an anti-Islamist?

Then don't eat it. Nobody is forcing you to. You can't complain that restaurants are serving halal meat when it shouldn't even concern you as it's your choice and decision to go and eat there. And a bolt gun to the head before having your throat slit is still painful, but that's a different discussion. And it doesn't necessarily make you an anti-Islamist, but most people who complain about it like the guy who brought it up above just tend to have problems with Muslims or Islam and use anything they can to complain or criticise them.

[LostDutchman]

Hahahaha. Typical anti-Muslim crap. There's a simple solution to your problem: Don't eat there. Restaurants or businesses can sell whatever they want. I'd love to know how your rights are being trampled on here? You have a right not to take your custom there and they have a right to serve halal meat.

I disagree with that. If 10% of the population has the right to have halal meat, then the remaining 90% of the population also has the right to have non-Halal meat. The problem is that the latter part is avoided or ignored.

100% correct!

Thank you for your kind and insightful post!

MY $.02.

[ahmed_bodi]

Hardly anybody cares about eating Halal meat anyway unless you're an anti-Islamist.

What sort of logic this is? I don't want to eat Halal because that type of meat is produced after slaughtering the animals painfully. And how does not liking Halal meat going to make me an anti-Islamist?

Where do you get that idea? Animals are killed with a clean, extremely sharp blade to ensure they are killed instantly and painlessly

[hilariousandco]

Hardly anybody cares about eating Halal meat anyway unless you're an anti-Islamist.

What sort of logic this is? I don't want to eat Halal because that type of meat is produced after slaughtering the animals painfully. And how does not liking Halal meat going to make me an anti-Islamist?

Where do you get that idea? Animals are killed with a clean, extremely sharp blade to ensure they are killed instantly and painlessly

No animal is killed instantly or painlessly by having their throat slit or being bolt gunned prior to that. There are ways of doing it more 'cleanly' and minimising pain but no method of slaughter is painless.