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September 24, 2020, 06:57:47 AM
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across town, another type of gambling continued much as it had since the coronavirus shutdown. A customer sat at the back of a gas station and peered into the video terminal of an electronic gaming device, one that's often referred to as a "prereveal" or "no chance" game. These look and sound like a regular slot machine, but they manage to skirt the gray area of what kind of gambling is authorized in Missouri.

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Cobb, owner and president of ACME Music & Vending in St. Joseph, said it's common for his employees to report seeing these electronic devices when stopping in some gas stations to get snacks. There are an estimated 14,000 of the devices statewide, tucked into convenience stores, truck stops and fraternal organizations.
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Also, "Utah man makes $8 million a year in cash from illegal gambling machines"

This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

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September 24, 2020, 07:43:09 AM
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I think this is mostly because of the convenience of doing so.People like to play when they are taking a snack,they like playing a fast session in this convenience stores or gas stations because it is a gambler habit.I used to do this but it is 100% sure these machines can be rigged as I have seen such thing a few years ago,they can be opened and made to give out a hit ratio of less than 10% and to lose people money.

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September 24, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
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I haven't tried that machine, I'm not sure if it's even available in my country. But some do wants to play more in illegal way as sometimes there a lot of chance probably for them to earn, as well may due to the thrill they feel. Some illegal machines offer more than rewards maybe than what the normal ones operated by legal casino can give as it is regulated by law. I'd rather play legally than be more at risk in playing in such machine as gambling is already risky  I don't want to make it more riskier due to it's being illegal.

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September 24, 2020, 10:59:10 AM
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Illegal casinos are available in almost every countries. In my country, gambling is legally banned. But the number of illegal casinos are in thousands. They are mostly open by invitation only and not for any common people. So it makes sense for such countries where gambling is banned.

But where gambling is legal and people have the option to play in legal casinos, it doesn't make sense to have illegal casinos where the machines can be rigged. Convenience can't be only thing that plays major role here. It's possible method used by commoners to funnel the dirty money to white money.  Because in illegal casino, there will be no KYC requirement so essentially you wouldn't need to answer anyone on the funds you using on gambling. That's what happens to my country as well, mostly black money holders play in such illegal casinos!

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September 24, 2020, 11:28:07 AM
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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

The only reason I can think of is that they can't really control themselves not to gamble in this kind of machines. So it boils down to human psychology 101, and the operators very much know this, so it's a win-win situation.

They've simply open up, and someone walks, here the sounds of a very attractive slot machine, you get hooked, and then voila, you are trap. And you don't know maybe you are losing 10$-100$ quickly and you thought you can get back and chase your losses, very bad but you can't exit. So I would agree that it's dangerous to play this kind of illegal machine and it will take a lot of control not to fall for this trick.
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September 24, 2020, 11:38:06 AM
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Yes, it is surely about the convenience. Casinos who are licensed required a lot of things before someone can enter, and you can't even play there with only a few buck in your pocket, or you'll be discriminated (or even get kicked out) while on the illegal slot machines, doesn't care how much you have or who you really are, and no taxes included when withdrawing your wins, unlike in casinos.

The other thing is that you have your personal space when playing, you can focus on the game and your only opponent is the machine. I guess that's the other factor why people preferred it than a legal casino.
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across town, another type of gambling continued much as it had since the coronavirus shutdown. A customer sat at the back of a gas station and peered into the video terminal of an electronic gaming device, one that's often referred to as a "prereveal" or "no chance" game. These look and sound like a regular slot machine, but they manage to skirt the gray area of what kind of gambling is authorized in Missouri.

...

Cobb, owner and president of ACME Music & Vending in St. Joseph, said it's common for his employees to report seeing these electronic devices when stopping in some gas stations to get snacks. There are an estimated 14,000 of the devices statewide, tucked into convenience stores, truck stops and fraternal organizations.
Source.

Also, "Utah man makes $8 million a year in cash from illegal gambling machines"

This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.
I've never played one of those because I was too young to play when similar machines were around, and then there came the legislation putting them out of sight. The machines didn't look like that, but there are other similar things in my country. Like those machines where you can get a toy from a box. And there are also similar things for kids, actually. Like, where you pay for the visit, get tokens, play small games on various machines, get tickets for winning and if you get enough tickets to redeem some prize, you do that in the end. I don't know if it's just in my country or around the world, but I don't think it's illegal. Although it kind of introduces gambling to kids, so it probably should be.
As for why people play, it's because it's a simple click of a button or something with a small bet amount and an outcome available shortly. It looks safe and easy, so this can motivate people.

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September 24, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
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it's most likely either convenience or they gambler doesn't know that it doesn't have a license. just like what swogerino said gamblers/people " People like to play when they are taking a snack,they like playing a fast session in this convenience stores or gas stations because it is a gambler habit." I myself have probably played to an unlicensed slot machine without me knowing it.

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September 24, 2020, 11:48:46 AM
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If I see a slot machine in a gas station and I'm not familiar with licensing and other paper/technical works, I'd most likely think that it's okay to play. With a few change to spare, I might as well take my chances.

These illegal slot machines probably makes money money from thousands of customers who thinks that^ way.
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September 24, 2020, 11:54:39 AM
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I agree with some members say it's about convenience. When people feel comfortable, they will still play gambling, no matter if the games are legal or illegal. But we don't know what their reason is to select the casino, which is unlicensed or illegal slot machines, and I think many don't care about that. They will only play gambling without thinking it is legal or illegal. But I don't know if that machine is available in my city because I don't visit that place in this pandemic.

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across town, another type of gambling continued much as it had since the coronavirus shutdown. A customer sat at the back of a gas station and peered into the video terminal of an electronic gaming device, one that's often referred to as a "prereveal" or "no chance" game. These look and sound like a regular slot machine, but they manage to skirt the gray area of what kind of gambling is authorized in Missouri.

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Cobb, owner and president of ACME Music & Vending in St. Joseph, said it's common for his employees to report seeing these electronic devices when stopping in some gas stations to get snacks. There are an estimated 14,000 of the devices statewide, tucked into convenience stores, truck stops and fraternal organizations.
Source.

Also, "Utah man makes $8 million a year in cash from illegal gambling machines"

This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

Gamblers would really not take that seriously since the provable reason why people select to gamble on those illegal slots is due to convenience as well the other what it can offer that legal ones doesn't have. Also documentation of winnings or something related on it what makes people choose the illegal slot that's why we see the numbers of players rise even if theirs a danger on it since its illegal.

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Illegal casinos are available in almost every countries.
Yea, but this is not even a casino. It's like sporadically putting "pre-reveal" machine in the convenience store or gas station.

The only reason I can think of is that they can't really control themselves not to gamble in this kind of machines. So it boils down to human psychology 101, and the operators very much know this, so it's a win-win situation.
Win-win if the outcome is fair mate, if it's rigged than it's more like a robbery.

Anyways, if you guys haven't see this "pre-reveal" game in action, this is a nice video:
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I agree with some members say it's about convenience. When people feel comfortable, they will still play gambling, no matter if the games are legal or illegal. But we don't know what their reason is to select the casino, which is unlicensed or illegal slot machines, and I think many don't care about that. They will only play gambling without thinking it is legal or illegal. But I don't know if that machine is available in my city because I don't visit that place in this pandemic.
There are other possible reasons maybe they just enjoying playing it then in long term turn to be addiction since they are doing it regularly and without any restrictions beacause its not legal  . They can play anytime they want and they can use what ever amount they have unlike bill licensed casino where there are limitations for players that can enter .

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Could be a way of advertising by the owner itself, cause no sane man would play in unverified machines that could be design to steal money.
Unless, he's really desperate in wanting to play some gambling games, then it should understandable why he keeps on playing or he might just really found a way to exploit the machine.

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It is because most of the machines that are not getting a license would be come from a casino that may only cost a little fee for gambler to use the machine. This is a tax evasion for the owner of the slot machine for not registering it and not disclosing the gains or profits of that machine. Well, we couls not blame too the casino because they wanted too to gain high profits by not overspending in getting permit for the slot machines. For them they think they couls get pass through with it if not getting caught by the agency who had the supervision to regulate over it.
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For the guy who wins a lot, it could be that he knows something we don't or something that they know how to rig back as well. Imagine playing in an illegal place and you still manage to win money with just that. Either you are a lucky SOB or you are part of it and making it look that it's profitable. These types of events would be the invitation to people who are greedy and want to win on their own as well.

Personally, I think it has always been illegal even if it's legal in the place. Imagine playing out on the street with some playing cards and you would immediately be considered gambling even if you don't have money involved. I guess that's just the society we live in.

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Our neighbor had this kind of slot machine and they called it "Bar Bar" it is one of the exact slot machines you are talking about. In our village, people always want to play this game, and lots of kids are addicted to this. that's why the authority won't allow this game and whoever caught having this in their house will be fined and sometimes if they caught, they served months of sentence in jail like what happened to our neighbor. You can see in this picture what I am talking about. note: these are not my neighbors, there are different people but the same illegal activity.  Grin Grin


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Our neighbor had this kind of slot machine and they called it "Bar Bar" it is one of the exact slot machines you are talking about. In our village, people always want to play this game, and lots of kids are addicted to this. that's why the authority won't allow this game and whoever caught having this in their house will be fined and sometimes if they caught, they served months of sentence in jail like what happened to our neighbor. You can see in this picture what I am talking about. note: these are not my neighbors, there are different people but the same illegal activity.  Grin Grin



there is also a machine called video karera. these illegal gambling machines were operating illegally and were popular in my area before police started raiding them. me being a curious person(especially on a gambling game that I haven't heard/tried before) have played the game several times(just to try it out) on different places and of course, all of the places I have played are illegally operating.

if anyone is curious what video karera is, here's a simple explanation from wiktionary of what it is https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/video_karera and here's a mayor destroying video karera machines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoPCmAK5nPM

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September 24, 2020, 04:37:08 PM
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Illegal slot machines are found much in the African countries, but this has happened in USA. This is something unexpected, and making $8 million out of the illegal business is really big compared to the revenue earned by a small scale gambling site. In Africa more and more number of slot machines can be seen on the streets. Often police used to seize and in some cases the owners give bribe to the police and run the machines.

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Our neighbor had this kind of slot machine and they called it "Bar Bar" it is one of the exact slot machines you are talking about. In our village, people always want to play this game, and lots of kids are addicted to this. that's why the authority won't allow this game and whoever caught having this in their house will be fined and sometimes if they caught, they served months of sentence in jail like what happened to our neighbor. You can see in this picture what I am talking about. note: these are not my neighbors, there are different people but the same illegal activity.  Grin Grin



there is also a machine called video karera. these illegal gambling machines were operating illegally and were popular in my area before police started raiding them. me being a curious person(especially on a gambling game that I haven't heard/tried before) have played the game several times(just to try it out) on different places and of course, all of the places I have played are illegally operating.

if anyone is curious what video karera is, here's a simple explanation from wiktionary of what it is https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/video_karera and here's a mayor destroying video karera machines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoPCmAK5nPM
I remember this video karera game, Our place used to have this way back when I was younger and though it's illegal there are many gamblers devoted to playing it. People who are addicted to playing it most likely won't care if it is illegal and has a chance of being rigged as long as there's a change of winning.

Some people don't have the luxury of paying the casino entrance fee, It's one of the reasons why some gamblers just chose to play on these unsafe machines. We can't blame them for choosing it, They probably see the convenience playing on these illegal machines.
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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

The reason might be because most of them are winning on these kind of slots? They're enjoying and some might be addicted into it. Most of the time, convenience stores near gas stations are just one, there's no other establishments near from it. So this is becoming a stop by area of some drivers that are exhausted or are wanting to have some fun after their long trip. If they don't like the machines, probably they will not continue playing it.

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I myself have probably played to an unlicensed slot machine without me knowing it.

There is always a mark stickers or something on the machine that proves that it is licensed, better to check that before playing to avoid getting caught by some raids for illegal gambling. Better to check than one out to make sure you're not violating the law.

Our neighbor had this kind of slot machine and they called it "Bar Bar" it is one of the exact slot machines you are talking about. In our village, people always want to play this game, and lots of kids are addicted to this.

Thanks to your concerned neighbors, that was raided. Just to ask, are there no slots like that that has been operating again even though the area has been raid? Because on our place it is common, slots will just operate days or weeks after being  raided. LOL.
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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

"Would likely" means we aren't sure if that's the case when you played in an illegal slot machine.

Back then when gambling regulations are not that strict here in our country (literally, you can see gambling everywhere), I have experience playing in an unlicensed and unregulated gambling place. No such thing as how to verify the fairness of the machine but there are "winners". That reason alone is enough for people to think that everything is random and chances of winning are always possible.

Aside from that, it's more fun to play there compare to the professional approach in regulated casinos. The odds are just the same, either you play on regulated ones, so people tend to choose the most convenient way. However, as the government changes, strict gambling terms imposed and with the pandemic, these become heavily prohibited.

I don't know if situation like that will happen once we get back in the usual "normal".

Right now, there are several unregulated online gambling here in our region that started during the pandemic. One-tap deposit and withdraw, totally no difference to regulated ones wherein KYC is mandatory so these gambling type became a hyped to most people here.

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across town, another type of gambling continued much as it had since the coronavirus shutdown. A customer sat at the back of a gas station and peered into the video terminal of an electronic gaming device, one that's often referred to as a "prereveal" or "no chance" game. These look and sound like a regular slot machine, but they manage to skirt the gray area of what kind of gambling is authorized in Missouri.

This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.
No one can tell if those are rigged ones or totally fair or does have big house edge but the thing here is that people do continue to play without even minding if it does really show out some fair outcomes or not.I cant imagine nor even expect that these machines will be found on convenience stores which is unusual for these
machines to be placed but somehow i didnt see this one coming.Those numbers mentioned on how many machines operated then its odd that it havent been
controlled or something unless if gambling is really not prohibited or owner of these machines does have license or permission then it wont really be that much of an issue.

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This isn't the first time I've seen such machines being patronized by people. While I've not tried it before,  I've actually seen people who have and eventually won at those games. The funny thing is that, they enjoy playing with those slots machines. It's not clear why people prefer to play such games but I feel it's because it's easier to access and requires little technical "know-how" to participate compared to using regulated gambling games where you have to worry about the deposits, withdrawals, etc. I believe that's part of the reason why they're targeted at people  who live in rural areas.

Unregulated gambling like this has existed for as long as I can remember and would continue to do so.

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September 24, 2020, 08:06:45 PM
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Becomes trendy because those illegal machines are sometimes user-friendly, meaning to say, people are actually getting profit out from playing at those so the doubt if it's rigged or not isn't a question to them.

Just mentioned on a few posts back, those examples are usual here in my country.

Gambling operators no need to spend lots of money to start as machines are quite cheap. No need also for licensed as if they will comply with legal terms, expect that there are lots of things needed before they can operate. People likely wants to gamble here because it's cheap. The minimum amount to bet can as be lowered as $1 (if converted to our currency) so not a problem at all to those common people.

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There might be few reasons. Probably the government of that country doesn't allow or is strictly regulating casinos, hence due to lengthy process of getting a license or being expensive, there are "less" legal slot machines and more illegal slot machines. Thus people don't want to travel around looking for legal licensed casino and they end up playing any of those illegal ones near them. Again, those illegal once probably provides more rewards since they don't have to pay extra fee or anything. But then again, I doubt many people care if a casino has a license or not.

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September 24, 2020, 08:47:59 PM
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Or people who play themselves are using exploits on the machine in order to cash out big from them. Since these are unregulated, whatever rigging that is done cannot easily be attended to or noticed by the operators. Of course there might be lookouts around but managing to get that amount from an unknown e-games machine speaks much about tight regulation in general. Also, it provides easy access with no strict rules, making the players much more comfortable and 'in the zone' rather than being cramped inside a venue where the smell of smoke, booze and nasty perfumes linger about.

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Anywhere people are waiting around with a minute to spare, that'll probably be prime real estate for a game like this.  Me personally I'd rather play pinball but thats not likely to see many places because it wont make the money that a gambling machine can.   I dont mind paying for a game I enjoy but  I wouldn't play a game I dont recognise or understand at all, Im too much of a pessimist I'd just presume I'd lose not gain so ironic being negative expectations helps me avoid this kind of unfair game I guess.

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September 24, 2020, 10:29:57 PM
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There might be few reasons. Probably the government of that country doesn't allow or is strictly regulating casinos, hence due to lengthy process of getting a license or being expensive, there are "less" legal slot machines and more illegal slot machines. Thus people don't want to travel around looking for legal licensed casino and they end up playing any of those illegal ones near them. Again, those illegal once probably provides more rewards since they don't have to pay extra fee or anything. But then again, I doubt many people care if a casino has a license or not.
Majority wont really care that much about on having a license or not.One of the factors or reasons i do saw on why people do end up on using these illegal machines is on its accessibility.
You wont need to go into those casual casino places for you to play if you do just tend to spend a little dime on a little time while youre gassing up or into other venues which can really
give out some small or spare time for you to spend up without compromising much of the money you do had.They wont care if those machines are fair or not as long they do able to
play without minding much of things.When it comes to operations of these machines then it does depend on the countries law itself because they wont just let these machines
do operate without being noticed.

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September 24, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
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They keep playing on these unlicensed or unregulated gambling place due to "they are everywhere!".

Unlike those regulated ones that mostly found in the capital or main business areas, these small unregulated gambling games can be accessed easily. No checking, no security guards, you can enter even with a dirty shirt and slippers, everything was simple.

About the fairness of those machines, honestly, those people won't think of that as everyone wants to win. When they lose, instead of questioning the machine's fairness, they will seek instead a way how to have money again to bet. This kind of gambling culture and behaviour will never be changed.
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People play unlicensed slot machines because of different reasons but I will only mention a few thats most common.
1) Pleasure - the enjoyment they usually when gambling which is the reason the machine is usually put in gas stations, stores etc.to make people play at their convenient time.
2) Curiosity - there's nothing bad in trying, this has make a lot of gamblers to explore different game machines/ online casino.

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Most possibly because of convenience and well, plain coincidence? Not that I'm being nonchalant about deciding this but as you said, gamblers would've played on casinos through their mobiles or pcs which at least provides that they are possibly fair, as well as proper procedures that you can pretty much make sure are legal. However, for those that are not into gambling, finding a slot machine could provide curiosity, as well as a venue of entertainment while at a convenience store, since as we all know, those places are kind of waiting areas for a lot of meetups (or at least, in my place).

I call it coincidence since not a lot of people intentionally go to that slot machine to play BUT a lot of people do come ot the convenience store. They see the slot machine coincidentally, and some would of course be quite curious and try it out.

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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

The legality regarding gambling in my country is still in the grey area. Although we cant find slot machines in gas stations, most of them are running illegally without license and people still love to gamble in them. Unlicensed and illegal gambling is what the common can afford and have chance at winning. So I believe that's the reason why they are not much worried about the licensing and stuffs.  
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For the guy who wins a lot, it could be that he knows something we don't or something that they know how to rig back as well. Imagine playing in an illegal place and you still manage to win money with just that. Either you are a lucky SOB or you are part of it and making it look that it's profitable. These types of events would be the invitation to people who are greedy and want to win on their own as well.
Dude, the guy who makes millions of dollars, is the maker of those machines.



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From the feedbacks here, I realize people just want to play, and since poor people don't have access to casinos and stuff, they play this machine, even though mostly rekt. Hopefully, these guys can use their mobile phone and play on legit online casinos. It's better than playing those stupid machines.

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September 25, 2020, 04:25:30 AM
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Sounds interesting since I haven't actually tried to play on that unlicensed slots machines. But of course, when someone experienced some good wins, whether that  slot machine is licensed or not, aside from that of being a convenient one, the main purpose of a gambler is to win, to gain extra money. That's the reality.
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That guy for sure knows the tricks on how he can get those wins. I remember this kind of machine back in the days the local government wasn't strict on my area but right now this will never be back in town for sure unless it will be kept in secret.

The incident was reported on USA and this guys still trying to pull some rugs to peoples pocket, I don't know the sanction they'll get on it but hope a bigger one will be impose on these people especially those who made those. The name "no chance" is surely a warning not to play it.
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I have played one illegal slot machine once, video karera here in my country and I can see why people keep playing on those machines. Because you can easily access it and it is open for everyone who wants to play with it. But the thing about illegal slot machines is you can be jailed for playing it and owning one so I don't suggest to play on it frequently I think one time experience is enough and just stick with legal slot machines in casinos.

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I have played one illegal slot machine once, video karera here in my country and I can see why people keep playing on those machines. Because you can easily access it and it is open for everyone who wants to play with it. But the thing about illegal slot machines is you can be jailed for playing it and owning one so I don't suggest to play on it frequently I think one time experience is enough and just stick with legal slot machines in casinos.
I also had played that illegal gambling machine called video karera here in the Philippines when I was in high school. Still, this kind of unlawful gambling machine is genuinely not fair because I only win one time out of 10 bets. I think some people keep going back to these gambling machines because it is entertaining, and you can win a considerable amount of money with only a small amount of bet when you are lucky enough to win.

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I will talk about my country, these machines were seized in my country:



What is strange about all this is that these machines were on any street and people were thronged to play, but the government did absolutely nothing, it also has the question of how the machines arrived in my country without the government knowing. But in the end leaving this aside I will talk about why people play a lot on these machines:

1 - Most people, I venture to say that 90% of the people in my country did not know that they were illegal machines

2 - These machines were on the streets and informal salespeople are doing nothing all day, these machines appeared for them to occupy the time and they did not waste the opportunity to have fun, that's what happened in the case of my country.

I also had played that illegal gambling machine called video karera here in the Philippines when I was in high school.

I was curious and tried to get closer to learn to play, but I didn't have enough courage to go play and now that the government has learned the machines, my opportunity to use the machine is gone forever

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September 25, 2020, 07:50:18 AM
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Some people wants to gamble but doesn't know about fairness in the results or any knowledge related to gambling and slot machines so they just try where ever they get chance to play.

Or people think it is more expensive to play slots on a casinos than a slots on some regular shops.

Or they just think online gambling is complete scam so they tend to believe those unregulated slots.
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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

Apart from convenience, I think it has something to do with the level of education of people in those regions. Put these machines in Silicon Valley, and you will hardly earn anything, let alone $23k in one day.

It's a cruel irony that poor people, the very people who need more money, lose the little they have because of being uneducated.

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Or people think it is more expensive to play slots on a casinos than a slots on some regular shops.
But that's not true right? We can play as low as 0.1$ per bet in a game with more reputation, or we can play even lower than 0.1$ in provably fair slots.

Apart from convenience, I think it has something to do with the level of education of people in those regions. Put these machines in Silicon Valley, and you will hardly earn anything, let alone $23k in one day.
Yea but perhaps they already have access to legit casinos, so there's no need to play these shady machines. I mean human is still human no matter what IQ or education level, slot is always appealing. But once the availability is not there, these machines would appear like a mold.

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Or people think it is more expensive to play slots on a casinos than a slots on some regular shops.
But that's not true right? We can play as low as 0.1$ per bet in a game with more reputation, or we can play even lower than 0.1$ in provably fair slots.
Yes, not true at all, even here we have second tier casinos which is legal, of course the ambiance and atmosphere is different and you can play as cheap as 0.1$. So I would rather go there than to play illegal slot machine because you don't stand against a rig machine. Convenience maybe, just passing time, or they are really hook or somewhat getting the addiction, so it's really hard for them to stop.

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September 25, 2020, 10:55:29 AM
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I don't really do such things but the same with what others think, maybe they still gamble even if it's illegal because it's more convenient for them. Probably, most of those who tried or play illegal slot machines don't have much money to play or go on real casinos that is why they just play on unlicensed one. This kind of unlicensed slot machine targets gamblers who can't afford to go to casinos and of course, even if you don't have enough money, some gamblers will still gamble since gambling can make others do things even if it's good/right especially when you're really into it.
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Or people think it is more expensive to play slots on a casinos than a slots on some regular shops.
But that's not true right? We can play as low as 0.1$ per bet in a game with more reputation, or we can play even lower than 0.1$ in provably fair slots.
Yeah the minimum bet can be lower than a dollar even on a casino but for someone who just want to gamble but didn't have gambling related contacts or any experience will think in that way.
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September 25, 2020, 06:24:41 PM
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I am also very curious to this one, why they will prefer playing on illegal and unlicensed casinos even if they already know that it is not a wise decision if you are a wise gambler.

There will be few who earns millions from this kind of games but the losers are quite many compare to winners because there are many fishy things that are happening in background to these kind of illegal games in favor of the owner and not to the players.
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September 25, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
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Sometimes an illegal service offers better conditions (including provably fair, etc.) while there are no disadvantages of a legal game such as taxes, isn't that obvious? I've heard that in some states in the US you have to pay tax on your winnings on every bet you win. Even if you made 100 bets, 20 won, 80 lost and you are in the red, you have to pay taxes for the "winnings". It is obviously more profitable to play in an illegal casino.

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September 25, 2020, 09:04:20 PM
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Well, playing slot machines here in my country is not illegal if you are registered business but if not, --that is completely illegal because perhaps a reason for task evasion. Many people have raided having slot machines on the street or just a video karera horse racing game machine was strictly prohibited.
Gambled at unlicensed gambling houses have a penalty to the authorities, that is why people always afraid of this kind of gambling business though it also has a risk in your life. Imagine, on that video by the OP the owner gained thousand of buck every month, people just being robbed by their willingness just because of hoping their luck in the unlicensed slot machine.









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Why do people keep playing slot machines in any way? Doesn't matter legal it or not. There is so many good gambling games. Even BJ in 100 times better than typical "monkey" slot. But we have Bridge, poker, Preference, many asian gambling games which needed a lot of skill and will reward you with a big amount of emotion.

P,S: In Ukraine, there 90 % of slots is illegal, he he. So for addicted people there not too much variants what to play.

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September 26, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
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Why do people keep playing slot machines in any way? Doesn't matter legal it or not. There is so many good gambling games. Even BJ in 100 times better than typical "monkey" slot. But we have Bridge, poker, Preference, many asian gambling games which needed a lot of skill and will reward you with a big amount of emotion.

P,S: In Ukraine, there 90 % of slots is illegal, he he. So for addicted people there not too much variants what to play.
People are playing for fun and to earn money that's why they don't care if the slot machine is illegal or not most especially if it is placed in the area in which a lot of people living there are poor and will take risk just to earn money for their needs. Here in my country a lot of illegal slot machines are everywhere but the government are confiscating the machines if and only if they caught someone who's doing this illegally.
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Apart from convenience, I think it has something to do with the level of education of people in those regions. Put these machines in Silicon Valley, and you will hardly earn anything, let alone $23k in one day.
Yea but perhaps they already have access to legit casinos, so there's no need to play these shady machines. I mean human is still human no matter what IQ or education level, slot is always appealing.

I know, right. Smiley I play slots, maybe not as much as you, but I know how addictive they can be. Smiley

But once the availability is not there, these machines would appear like a mold.

Yeah, but can you tell, being an expert in this field (and I'm not joking here, you have proved yourself to be better than others, by a wide margin, in slots guessing), would you personally play on those machines? Sometimes nothing is better than anything. Do you agree?

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Why do people keep playing slot machines in any way? Doesn't matter legal it or not. There is so many good gambling games. Even BJ in 100 times better than typical "monkey" slot. But we have Bridge, poker, Preference, many asian gambling games which needed a lot of skill and will reward you with a big amount of emotion.

P,S: In Ukraine, there 90 % of slots is illegal, he he. So for addicted people there not too much variants what to play.
People are playing for fun and to earn money that's why they don't care if the slot machine is illegal or not most especially if it is placed in the area in which a lot of people living there are poor and will take risk just to earn money for their needs. Here in my country a lot of illegal slot machines are everywhere but the government are confiscating the machines if and only if they caught someone who's doing this illegally.

One can understand for those who are poor and just for the sake of making some money and try their luck as small money is also big thing for them, but for others they need to avoid it. If playing on any such illegal slot machine and caught, then will have to face the consequences of that country law and this will be the worst thing that you may want it.  Some may love to play slot it’s their choice but ensure not to fall in such things where doing stuff illegally.
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Why do people keep playing slot machines in any way? Doesn't matter legal it or not. There is so many good gambling games. Even BJ in 100 times better than typical "monkey" slot. But we have Bridge, poker, Preference, many asian gambling games which needed a lot of skill and will reward you with a big amount of emotion.

P,S: In Ukraine, there 90 % of slots is illegal, he he. So for addicted people there not too much variants what to play.

The thing about slots is that you don't need any skills to play them. You can just put your money in an play. And the Jackpot advertisements are very misleading. The chance are so low to win, but yet you have to pay only very small amount. With a lot of flashy lights and noises it's visually attractive. Another factor for the high demand of slots, even if they are rigged systems is that you insert cash nd get legit winnings. No one is checking how you got the money to play slots, It's a great tool for criminals to launder money. If you lose between 10 - 20% of your money it's a great tool to get legit money. And if you work together with the owners of the machines it's a win win situation for everybody.
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I think this is mostly because of the convenience of doing so.People like to play when they are taking a snack,they like playing a fast session in this convenience stores or gas stations because it is a gambler habit.I used to do this but it is 100% sure these machines can be rigged as I have seen such thing a few years ago,they can be opened and made to give out a hit ratio of less than 10% and to lose people money.

Surely that is the practical way to answer it. Even people know the risks associated on unlicensed and illegal slot machines or any type of gambling as long as there is convenience in a way that they can still be able to gamble, they would surely get to engage into it no matter what it takes. A gambler habit is what is his call on playing gambling whether it is on a legal or illegal manner. He does not care at all as long as he can be able to play and win a handy of money. That is mostly the way gamblers do think, play to win and win to be able to continuously be able to play. A continuous cycle will happen on that. Gambling does not call into any skill as long as you do know to play the game and you have the money, you will stake it for the sake of the opportunity of obtaining greater money in exchange whether you play it on a legal or an illegal way.
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The reason for this may be illiteracy or less knowledge about the machines a gambler is playing those games on. Because there is nothing available in written, a gambler just get addicted to these machines' glossy glow and start playing with the intent of fun, but they never know when they get rigged already and then, they start blaming themselves for their addiction. These games addict us so much that we lose interest in real life and look for these video slot machines every now and then without even thinking about them being provably fair or not.
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The reason for this may be illiteracy or less knowledge about the machines a gambler is playing those games on. Because there is nothing available in written, a gambler just get addicted to these machines' glossy glow and start playing with the intent of fun, but they never know when they get rigged already and then, they start blaming themselves for their addiction. These games addict us so much that we lose interest in real life and look for these video slot machines every now and then without even thinking about them being provably fair or not.
^ Definitely right, because they are always thought to have profit even though they know that the odds are always in favor of the machine. Illegal slot machines are obviously the chances of winning is very small and probably it is calibrated that it will not hit into a jackpot. You cant be sure the provably fair because no one has been regulated but only by them. Probably there is a cheat that happens because people having this kind of business are willing to cheat just because of making a profit.
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September 27, 2020, 03:33:32 AM
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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

This kind of machines are illegal and we used to have one in our neighborhood it's more of a horse racing in a slot machine like gaming, it's rigged and illegal but people are attracted to play here because the bet is very small and there is a change to make 10 times of your bet, it was confiscated because so many minors are addicted to it and the operators don't care if the one playing it, is a minor.


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September 27, 2020, 05:06:26 AM
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Dude, the guy who makes millions of dollars, is the maker of those machines.
Oh my mistake. I assumed that it’s a player. But it would be great marketing tool though even though it’s illegal. Cheesy

From the feedbacks here, I realize people just want to play, and since poor people don't have access to casinos and stuff, they play this machine, even though mostly rekt. Hopefully, these guys can use their mobile phone and play on legit online casinos. It's better than playing those stupid machines.
This probably summarises everything but most of the time it’s the poor people who are even more addicted towards gambling knowing that they are the ones who have less to lose. Don’t you think that the idea of a “jackpot” adds to those who are using these illegal ways on gambling?

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This is one of the eaisest way to earn money just make a banner that they could possibly win a large price amount and put a slot machine there is a lot of chance that they will make through your game because it's more convenient unlike going to the casinos, also I saw a lot of slot machines even on the private houses so they can make it full of fun. I wish I have this one too just to practice before i go into the actual game.
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The reason for this may be illiteracy or less knowledge about the machines a gambler is playing those games on. Because there is nothing available in written, a gambler just get addicted to these machines' glossy glow and start playing with the intent of fun, but they never know when they get rigged already and then, they start blaming themselves for their addiction. These games addict us so much that we lose interest in real life and look for these video slot machines every now and then without even thinking about them being provably fair or not.
We have so many of this in our country and have tried several times, These unlicensed slots are addictive because slots like this are located in remote areas where authorities cannot access them usually in remote barrios in slum areas or big subdivision where authorities cannot have easy access.
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Yeah, but can you tell, being an expert in this field (and I'm not joking here, you have proved yourself to be better than others, by a wide margin, in slots guessing), would you personally play on those machines? Sometimes nothing is better than anything. Do you agree?
Mate, you should mention the "self-proclaimed" words Grin
Way before the internet and stuff, I did play for fun, wasted my pocket money on arcades, shady slots, local counter strike (PvP) betting, etc., but never in my mind I'll get profit from these activities. However, we should note several important things:
- Nowadays, it's easy to access the internet and play at more reputable operators;
- The majority of people don't have the "for fun" attitude;
- Probably (especially in my country), the cops are more aggressive to eradicate this insignificant "crime" compared to the 90s era.

So, I think the stay-away attitude is more beneficial. To answer "nothing is better than anything," well it depends Smiley

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September 29, 2020, 06:48:26 AM
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We have so many of this in our country and have tried several times, These unlicensed slots are addictive because slots like this are located in remote areas where authorities cannot access them usually in remote barrios in slum areas or big subdivision where authorities cannot have easy access.

Basically, it is quite attractive to hear noises from these kind of machine which makes people addicted to playing. In addition, the fact that these things are illegal makes it already the factor why people like it. There's always some sort of happiness doing illegal things especially in gambling. Lastly, it is quite easier to earn money from these machines but take note that you can always be arrested if you continue to pursue using it.
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September 29, 2020, 07:49:15 AM
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We have so many of this in our country and have tried several times, These unlicensed slots are addictive because slots like this are located in remote areas where authorities cannot access them usually in remote barrios in slum areas or big subdivision where authorities cannot have easy access.

Basically, it is quite attractive to hear noises from these kind of machine which makes people addicted to playing. In addition, the fact that these things are illegal makes it already the factor why people like it. There's always some sort of happiness doing illegal things especially in gambling. Lastly, it is quite easier to earn money from these machines but take note that you can always be arrested if you continue to pursue using it.
People will not think about getting arrested because of playing gambling in illegal places because they only have fun and enjoy the game. I think that is what they also feel in the legal casino because people visit gambling games is for playing the games, and they don't play in the casino, which they don't know. As you said, they will always happiness doing illegal things, and I agree with that because people want to get another challenge doing that thing. And if playing gambling in the illegal casino can please them, they will play gambling in those places in the next days.

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September 29, 2020, 10:30:14 AM
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We have so many of this in our country and have tried several times, These unlicensed slots are addictive because slots like this are located in remote areas where authorities cannot access them usually in remote barrios in slum areas or big subdivision where authorities cannot have easy access.

Basically, it is quite attractive to hear noises from these kind of machine which makes people addicted to playing. In addition, the fact that these things are illegal makes it already the factor why people like it. There's always some sort of happiness doing illegal things especially in gambling. Lastly, it is quite easier to earn money from these machines but take note that you can always be arrested if you continue to pursue using it.

Also, this game is really an instant money and an instant loss which is really good for those greedy gamblers. This is really a fast game for them and it can make your money vanished as you continue playing it. Plus, playing illegal slot machines can make you punished by the law which is the worst thing to happen once you got caught.

We can't deny that gambling can either release or bring us stress but let people enjoy things.

They are responsible on their own wealth and money, but as soon as possible, gamble moderately and learn when to stop and what kind of games are legal in your place.

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Those who come to play on their machines are not huge rich people, they are ordinary low income people. There are lots of illegal slot machines in our country. These illegal activities are carried out by politically powerful people, so that the authorities cannot easily catch them. Because they have a lot of power in the areas where they carry out these illegal activities, no one dares to complain to the authorities against them.

However, the authorities have recently seized many illegal slot machines. A news channel's report reveals these illegal activities.

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September 29, 2020, 11:02:50 AM
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We have so many of this in our country and have tried several times, These unlicensed slots are addictive because slots like this are located in remote areas where authorities cannot access them usually in remote barrios in slum areas or big subdivision where authorities cannot have easy access.

Basically, it is quite attractive to hear noises from these kind of machine which makes people addicted to playing. In addition, the fact that these things are illegal makes it already the factor why people like it. There's always some sort of happiness doing illegal things especially in gambling. Lastly, it is quite easier to earn money from these machines but take note that you can always be arrested if you continue to pursue using it.
Even if you get caught it's easy to get bail this one doesn't need a large money and the penalty is not that strict that's why many people continue playing it even they know it's illegal.

as long as the punishment is light the people will continue to play it. I think they should restrict it to those who can do this kind of business or owner of that illegal gambling machine .

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Some people keep playing in unlicensed slot machines for some reasons of addiction, able to earn money that they could have and of course it brings entertainment to them. Actually even in our country there are many low profile living in a urban areas that keep doing this playing in a illegal machines which they are not afraid to caught by.
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September 29, 2020, 11:42:33 AM
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Some people keep playing in unlicensed slot machines for some reasons of addiction

I think that it usually starts with convenience - they're in a place the target user is visiting anyway, like a coffee/booze "shop" down the street - and boredom.
The lack of knowledge / education plays also a big role; the "all slot machines are stealing you the same" is a common narrative so they don't know that the machine they playing at is unlicensed and possibly also rigged.
The addiction comes afterwards...

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September 29, 2020, 11:59:02 AM
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Those who come to play on their machines are not huge rich people, they are ordinary low income people. There are lots of illegal slot machines in our country. These illegal activities are carried out by politically powerful people, so that the authorities cannot easily catch them. Because they have a lot of power in the areas where they carry out these illegal activities, no one dares to complain to the authorities against them.

However, the authorities have recently seized many illegal slot machines. A news channel's report reveals these illegal activities.

I do believe also that those people who are playing in an unlicensed, illegal slot machines are those people who can't afford to gamble in a licensed machine well its a lot more quite expensive than an illegal one. And due to instant prizes that an illegal gambling can also provide that's why people are being attractive to it. Here in my country has a lot of illegal gambling that even our government prohibit it no one can stop people to get engaged from this kind of gambling.

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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

Attraction and convenience of course, they just want to release the urge to gamble, gamblers are like that, they only make a research after they loss a lot of money gamblers will gamble and this is the motivation or business plan of these operators, even if it's illegal they will still play
because the urge is stronger than their logic.

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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

In my opinion there may be two main reasons for this:
1. It is convenient. No need to go far and look for a gambling establishment. You parked your car on a truck stop and went to play a few games over a bottle of beer before going to bed.
2. Perhaps not all players know that the chance of winning in these machines is much less than in officially certified ones.
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September 29, 2020, 01:26:08 PM
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I haven't tried that machine, I'm not sure if it's even available in my country. But some do wants to play more in illegal way as sometimes there a lot of chance probably for them to earn, as well may due to the thrill they feel. Some illegal machines offer more than rewards maybe than what the normal ones operated by legal casino can give as it is regulated by law. I'd rather play legally than be more at risk in playing in such machine as gambling is already risky  I don't want to make it more riskier due to it's being illegal.

No they don't offer much more rewards compared to license slot machines, i've tried street machines like that, and you can only earn pennies because mostly the locals only plays it. The logical reason i come think of, is players are just finding ways to entertain themselves thus leading them to play and earn while burning time in 24hrs boredom due to lockdown.

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I do believe also that those people who are playing in an unlicensed, illegal slot machines are those people who can't afford to gamble in a licensed machine well its a lot more quite expensive than an illegal one. And due to instant prizes that an illegal gambling can also provide that's why people are being attractive to it. Here in my country has a lot of illegal gambling that even our government prohibit it no one can stop people to get engaged from this kind of gambling.

That proves to us that people choose to play gambling on illegal gambling in some countries because their government doesn't allow them to gamble. There is much more illegal gambling in other countries that have their fan and that place is popular among the gamblers. The illegal casino knows how to attract people to come to their place, and using an instant prize will make people come to their place.

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September 29, 2020, 02:29:17 PM
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I haven't tried that machine, I'm not sure if it's even available in my country. But some do wants to play more in illegal way as sometimes there a lot of chance probably for them to earn, as well may due to the thrill they feel. Some illegal machines offer more than rewards maybe than what the normal ones operated by legal casino can give as it is regulated by law. I'd rather play legally than be more at risk in playing in such machine as gambling is already risky  I don't want to make it more riskier due to it's being illegal.
Yes some illegal machine offered a good profit compare to legal machine which it slow to offer good  profit. Many people prefer to take the risk of playing illegal machine gambling that will Fitch them a good profit without mining the danger involved.
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Probably a lot of people just don't care to check whether the slot machines they are playing are legally compliant. I think there are only very few number of people who really go through the steps of inquiring whether the slot machine is licensed or truly fair.

Most just play. They don't think it is necessary. For as long as the results look like fair, it is good enough for them. If it gives them a fair amount of wins and losses, they already assume it is working fine.
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I think the main reason lies in the banal ignorance of the fact that slots can be illegal. I see the reasons why people use illegal slot machines to make money on them, but as holders and not players. As a rule, it is not profitable for players to play with such machines, because their internal code can be compromised in advance and set up for worse values for winning than in legal slots. In addition, no one will give you any guarantee that the winnings will be yours when using illegal machines.

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September 29, 2020, 04:19:06 PM
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Some people keep playing in unlicensed slot machines for some reasons of addiction, able to earn money that they could have and of course it brings entertainment to them.
But for the most part, it is just because the illegal slot machines are convenient for them, besides people playing on illegal slot machines found in their neighborhood are just from the vicinity, silent from authority and vigilant.

Actually even in our country there are many low profile living in a urban areas that keep doing this playing in a illegal machines which they are not afraid to caught by.
It was a long time ago since the illegal slot machine here in my city was demolished, it's part of my childhood tho, and as I age I realized that it was illegal. People are not afraid to be caught coz policemen are paid to protect it.

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September 29, 2020, 04:24:07 PM
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How if they considered if it is worthier and more legit to do so?
Sometimes. also people need easiness and a big chance to win. If an illegal casino is much easier, this is also what they think.
But of course, it is very risky, doesn't guarantee if we can really get the money and other risky again.

Or probably, as mentioned in the third option? How if they do not know that it is the illegal one?

Illegal casinos are available in almost every countries. In my country, gambling is legally banned. But the number of illegal casinos are in thousands. They are mostly open by invitation only and not for any common people. So it makes sense for such countries where gambling is banned.
This may be also one of the reasons. And once they are uncovered, they may be one of the people to leave in jail  Grin Grin

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Yes some illegal machine offered a good profit compare to legal machine which it slow to offer good  profit. Many people prefer to take the risk of playing illegal machine gambling that will Fitch them a good profit without mining the danger involved.
How can you tell they give out more than the legal ones when there's no information available ? I know it's possible for their machines to pay more but it's hard to believe that these machines pay more. The winning players could simply say it's better but at the same time the number of losing players are doubled or tripled.

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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

Probably that maybe the reason, because of convenience since you have said that it can be found in stores and gasoline stations, people are being attracted to play even if it is illegal for maybe they are also just trying their luck to win even if it is not probably fair game because first it is illegal and maybe they have already make use of it to obtain easy money from players wanting to play the game. We cannot blame such people for playing into such kind of illegal, unlicensed slot machines maybe because they cannot afford playing into online casinos since it is pandemic and they have found an alternative convenient way to play it by taking risks on an unlicensed slot game that have no assurance if you can win on that.



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September 30, 2020, 07:12:55 AM
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These illegal activities are carried out by politically powerful people, so that the authorities cannot easily catch them. Because they have a lot of power in the areas where they carry out these illegal activities, no one dares to complain to the authorities against them.
This is true, especially in the pre-internet era. Nowadays, someone can quickly take a hidden photograph, create an anon social media account, and make it viral.

How can you tell they give out more than the legal ones when there's no information available ?
This thing is not exist in the real world. lol.



Anyways, is the provably fair mechanism can be implemented in land slot machines? Perhaps the machine can print out seed hashes, and it can be verified easily. That way, let's say, even though it is illegal, players can know they don't get robbed by these machines.

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September 30, 2020, 08:12:22 AM
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In my Country there is a Illegal slot machines that operates in depressed areas in which targeting people that has Vices because those people are really hooked in any forms of gambling so they are the one who got addicted in Illegal machines.
 i believe that first reason why they keep on playing in illegal?

- because they can Play with small amount of money,then can even bet a $cents just to satisfy their desire in gambling

- Casino houses for them are just for rich people and they don't belong in places like those.



But regarding those slot machine that placed in decent places but Illegally operating?i think most people don't know if those are legal or illegal or the best answer is?they don't really care because all they cares about is their betting and to Win.

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 i believe that first reason why they keep on playing in illegal?

- because they can Play with small amount of money,then can even bet a $cents just to satisfy their desire in gambling

- Casino houses for them are just for rich people and they don't belong in places like those.

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It is true that you can't walk in in a decent land based casino with $2 in your pocket, and make 20 bets, $0.1 each, which those illegal slot machines allow you to do. But in online casinos it is possible to play on slots, wagering as little as at a time. And, apart from being fair, most of the online slots have a great contemporary design and soundtrack, nothing like the annoying sounds and dull looks of those greasy illegal slot machines. There's no excuse in using them, except for some inherent stupidity.

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September 30, 2020, 02:50:25 PM
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It is true that you can't walk in in a decent land based casino with $2 in your pocket, and make 20 bets, $0.1 each, which those illegal slot machines allow you to do. But in online casinos it is possible to play on slots, wagering as little as at a time. And, apart from being fair, most of the online slots have a great contemporary design and soundtrack, nothing like the annoying sounds and dull looks of those greasy illegal slot machines. There's no excuse in using them, except for some inherent stupidity.

Many people are accustomed to playing in real life and not online (maybe since their youth) and therefore they continue to do so despite the progress. Online gambling apparently does not give them the satisfaction they need from the game. It sounds counterintuitive to modern people, but for those who have developed certain habits, this is a good reason.

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September 30, 2020, 02:53:30 PM
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- because they can Play with small amount of money,then can even bet a $cents just to satisfy their desire in gambling

- Casino houses for them are just for rich people and they don't belong in places like those.



It is a reasonable thing why people like to playing gambling at the illegal casinos because they can use a little money, and if they win, they can get more money. But I don't know if the officials will stay quiet and not search for the illegal casino because in some countries, the illegal casino is prohibited, and the officials will get them.

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I don't remember when I played slot machine last time, maybe +15 years ago! And it was probably in some low level bar in the hood! Why people played there? Well it is close, you drink few beers and you try your luck with some machine to kill some time. People get use to it, and they don't wish to go further and try new things. Back then that was normal, but now I don't know why would someone get out from the house to have a nice gambling time! Especially for people that knows about crypto, provably fair, easy access, huge choice of games, and comfort of your chair, big screen...

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I don't remember when I played slot machine last time, maybe +15 years ago! And it was probably in some low level bar in the hood! Why people played there? Well it is close, you drink few beers and you try your luck with some machine to kill some time. People get use to it, and they don't wish to go further and try new things. Back then that was normal, but now I don't know why would someone get out from the house to have a nice gambling time! Especially for people that knows about crypto, provably fair, easy access, huge choice of games, and comfort of your chair, big screen...

its in a bar so this must be legal because bars do also need permit to operate and this is how gambling places look back time . till time passes by and they are being organized on one place which is dedicated only for gambling called casinos .

  being illegal does not also mean outside but there are also illegal gambling sites online though people now dont have the time to go and play outside because of we are more convinient now and everything can now be access online
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September 30, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
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Certain number of people is not much burdened with legality and legitimacy. If they like slot machines and they have it in some bar they like to go, they will play it. I doubt that they will try to find out if machine is legal or not. The same thing is will illegal gambling sites.

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Certain number of people is not much burdened with legality and legitimacy. If they like slot machines and they have it in some bar they like to go, they will play it. I doubt that they will try to find out if machine is legal or not. The same thing is will illegal gambling sites.

^ It is hard to gamble in an illegal gambling site, you will never know the fairness of the site and how you can identify whenever it is good or not as long you have been gambled. It's pretty simple if you want to avoid them and don't gamble a gambling site without licensed, they are not verified as a legitimate gambling site that we gamble. Nevertheless, people have different reasons why they keep gambled unlicensed casinos, but the main root of this is just that just because of money.
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Literally people doesn't know whether they are playing on a legal casino or unregulated not fair slots. Does anyone know that some of the reputed gambling sites doesn't have proper license? People just use the slot machines where ever they see and it the duty of government to monitor and remove the unregulated gambling machines exists anywhere!









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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

People who played on this are unaware that this is rigged or illegal, they just tried their luck or just want to enjoy the game and they don't care if it's illegal or rigged there are so many of these in countries where gambling is legal and regulated, but once caught they will face big penalties that is why some of these are hidden.
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This machine is dangerous since the result would likely be rigged, no RTP information, no certification, no provably fair, etc. But the business keeps booming. Is this because of a mere convenience? Or something else? Nowadays, people can play from their mobile phones, online, on legit casinos.

People who played on this are unaware that this is rigged or illegal, they just tried their luck or just want to enjoy the game and they don't care if it's illegal or rigged there are so many of these in countries where gambling is legal and regulated, but once caught they will face big penalties that is why some of these are hidden.

People enjoy playing gambling on illegal gambling places because they can come and out as soon as possible. They don't have to think about showing the identity, or other people will recognize them as playing gambling. Usually, these gambling places do not attract the local officials, and only a few people often visit that place and play gambling.

Perhaps, we can see from the local news that the officials and the police raided gambling establishments, and we see people got arrested. That would be the risk if we played on the illegal gambling places. But in some illegal casinos, the gambling owner can pay much money to the security, so they will not raid because they can bribe the corrupt officials. The gambler will not know about rigged or not because they don't think about that because they only want to enjoy the games while they can.
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I remember playing in one of this I never bother to check if this is legal or not rigged I just want to have fun and check my luck that day two dollars is not really that big I was waiting for some one and it keeps me out of boredom of waiting, like all the other they have reasons why they played here or keep playing.

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October 01, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
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It is true that you can't walk in in a decent land based casino with $2 in your pocket, and make 20 bets, $0.1 each, which those illegal slot machines allow you to do. But in online casinos it is possible to play on slots, wagering as little as at a time.
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Back then that was normal, but now I don't know why would someone get out from the house to have a nice gambling time!
Very true! Back then, it was no other options.

Anyway, my point is, maybe these addicts can be better off playing at online casinos. It might be a good marketing strategy to "save" these addicts. The revenue from these shady machines is a lot IMO.

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I’ve tried playing on the illegal slots game way back then when I was young and I think the reason for that is those slots game are cheap and doesn’t require any information from you the only risk is that, the authority is hunting those players since its illegal. That man made a lot of money and I wonder how much money is available on those slot machine, now that I know what the law is I will never try to play on any illegal slot machine again.

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October 02, 2020, 07:46:43 AM
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It is true that you can't walk in in a decent land based casino with $2 in your pocket, and make 20 bets, $0.1 each, which those illegal slot machines allow you to do. But in online casinos it is possible to play on slots, wagering as little as at a time. And, apart from being fair, most of the online slots have a great contemporary design and soundtrack, nothing like the annoying sounds and dull looks of those greasy illegal slot machines. There's no excuse in using them, except for some inherent stupidity.

Many people are accustomed to playing in real life and not online (maybe since their youth) and therefore they continue to do so despite the progress. Online gambling apparently does not give them the satisfaction they need from the game. It sounds counterintuitive to modern people, but for those who have developed certain habits, this is a good reason.

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October 02, 2020, 08:02:50 AM
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the truth is most of them have no idea if the machine is illegal or legit,because the machines was installed in legal places not knowing that it must not be there.
sometimes it is the authorities who owns those machine or some others that related to them so they can operate without being busted.
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October 02, 2020, 04:24:40 PM
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Many people are accustomed to playing in real life and not online (maybe since their youth) and therefore they continue to do so despite the progress. Online gambling apparently does not give them the satisfaction they need from the game. It sounds counterintuitive to modern people, but for those who have developed certain habits, this is a good reason.

If they prefer playing on physical slots,  it's their own business, and no one is judging them here. But if people destroy their lives by playing on illegal slot machines, it is no longer their own business, cos they make the lives of people around them miserable. That's why we try to intervene and help them with advice, in hopes that they, or people who know them or influence them, may be monitoring this forum.

To be honest, I did not understand the relationship between the legality/and the illegality of slots and the destruction of the player's life. The player can destroy his life or spoil the lives of others in a completely legal casino. He certainly needs good advice (not to do this) but these are completely different questions.

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To be honest, I did not understand the relationship between the legality/and the illegality of slots and the destruction of the player's life. The player can destroy his life or spoil the lives of others in a completely legal casino. He certainly needs good advice (not to do this) but these are completely different questions.
It's related to the RTP. Even for reputable mainstream slot operators, the actual RTP and the fairness are often under question, let alone the shady slot machines with unknown RTP. If these players switch to more legitimate/fair slot machines, they will less get robbed. "It's better to shear the sheep than to slaughter the sheep" - wise man (well, it would be best not to be the sheep, but... you know... addiction). The chance of getting rekt on these machines is way higher than online slot games.

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This is called gambling addiction! In my country prohibited slot machines and there are many illegal establishments with such machines! They offer free beer and there come absolutely marginal persons... Once had a chance to visit such places, the atmosphere is special there! Grin

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October 02, 2020, 07:18:42 PM
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To be honest, I did not understand the relationship between the legality/and the illegality of slots and the destruction of the player's life. The player can destroy his life or spoil the lives of others in a completely legal casino. He certainly needs good advice (not to do this) but these are completely different questions.
It's related to the RTP. Even for reputable mainstream slot operators, the actual RTP and the fairness are often under question, let alone the shady slot machines with unknown RTP. If these players switch to more legitimate/fair slot machines, they will less get robbed. "It's better to shear the sheep than to slaughter the sheep" - wise man (well, it would be best not to be the sheep, but... you know... addiction). The chance of getting rekt on these machines is way higher than online slot games.

I understand what you are talking about, but there is a paradox here: the most honest RTP is the most addictive (since the player often has intermediate victories). Here I would not give an analogy with sheep, it is incorrect. Rather, we are talking about the gradual luring into their networks from which it is impossible to get out. If RTP is dishonest, then gambler has a chance to feel it and not play.

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October 02, 2020, 07:37:34 PM
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the truth is most of them have no idea if the machine is illegal or legit,because the machines was installed in legal places not knowing that it must not be there.
That was not the idea of illegal machines, they were not legal to operate nor put in a legal place, and I think you don't know what is an illegal slot machine looks like.

sometimes it is the authorities who owns those machine or some others that related to them so they can operate without being busted.
this happens in places that has weak laws and weak government.
I have to agree with this, most of the time person in authority is the one who is protecting these illegal operating gambling tools and even the whole underground casino. It is not due to weak laws or weak government, it is because there are really bad and disobeying people.
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October 03, 2020, 06:09:39 AM
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the truth is most of them have no idea if the machine is illegal or legit,because the machines was installed in legal places not knowing that it must not be there.
That was not the idea of illegal machines, they were not legal to operate nor put in a legal place, and I think you don't know what is an illegal slot machine looks like.
I agree and according to the OP legal slot machines usually have a tag that shows that the machine was properly licensed.

sometimes it is the authorities who owns those machine or some others that related to them so they can operate without being busted.
this happens in places that has weak laws and weak government.
I have to agree with this, most of the time person in authority is the one who is protecting these illegal operating gambling tools and even the whole underground casino. It is not due to weak laws or weak government, it is because there are really bad and disobeying people.

well, this kind of practice is quite common. it was either the authority/police owns it or the owner of the machines are paying them to keep their business from being raided. I remember some policemen being arrested or being investigated for protecting the owners of the illegal machine from being raided.

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October 03, 2020, 10:25:56 AM
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To be honest, I did not understand the relationship between the legality/and the illegality of slots and the destruction of the player's life. The player can destroy his life or spoil the lives of others in a completely legal casino. He certainly needs good advice (not to do this) but these are completely different questions.
It's related to the RTP. Even for reputable mainstream slot operators, the actual RTP and the fairness are often under question, let alone the shady slot machines with unknown RTP. If these players switch to more legitimate/fair slot machines, they will less get robbed. "It's better to shear the sheep than to slaughter the sheep" - wise man (well, it would be best not to be the sheep, but... you know... addiction). The chance of getting rekt on these machines is way higher than online slot games.

I understand what you are talking about, but there is a paradox here: the most honest RTP is the most addictive (since the player often has intermediate victories). Here I would not give an analogy with sheep, it is incorrect. Rather, we are talking about the gradual luring into their networks from which it is impossible to get out. If RTP is dishonest, then gambler has a chance to feel it and not play.

Theoretically, yes, but in practice, people don't feel the difference. As you said it yourself earlier, "The player can destroy his life or spoil the lives of others in a completely legal casino." And that's the absolute truth, because even if the house edge was zero, many gamblers would still lose all their money. And that's why people don't feel the difference: you can lose all you have on both, legal or illegal slot machines. But the higher the RTP the lower chances of that happening, and the RTP of illegal slots is unknown, and most likely not that high.

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October 05, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
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The main reason people play illegal slots is because they are not actually aware of the legality and credibility of the slot machine. There are certain slot games that attract more gamblers and I have also seen some slot games who are working fairly but have absurdly high house edge and unless one research about it, they would never come to know. I play slots mostly at stake.com and the best thing is that they clearly mention house edge below every slots games no matter which game provider provide those slots.

Awareness is required to identify rigged slots and sometimes they will make you win initially so that you get addicted and once you are addicted the rigging will take place and to cover your loss you will keep on digging the bigger hole. I understand physical casino's slots are rigged more often than not and hence I personally prefer online slots.
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October 05, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
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Hi mu_enrico, I don't think people like this care about the license and legality of the slot machines they play. As long as they can make money, they will continue to do it even though they have been cheated for months until they realize it. I don't know what make them like this, whether because of the comfort or convenience that is offered near them. But honestly, I've never seen it in my place.

Awareness is required to identify rigged slots and sometimes they will make you win initially so that you get addicted and once you are addicted the rigging will take place and to cover your loss you will keep on digging the bigger hole. I understand physical casino's slots are rigged more often than not and hence I personally prefer online slots.
I'm not sure they really care about this. The addiction comes because they have won some money previously and returned for good luck. But without realizing it, they have been tricked by machines. About slots, I love them and play them online quite often.

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October 06, 2020, 04:22:57 AM
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I haven't tried playing any slot machine because I am not really into gambling and I am still young for gambling even though some online gambling has no KYC for identification, I am not still trying some of it because I know that there are still many things that I can spend my time which is more worthy than spending in a gamble. Most of the people choose to play a slot machine because sometimes they feel entertained while playing and some people really earn good profit from it.

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October 06, 2020, 04:36:21 AM
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I haven't tried playing any slot machine because I am not really into gambling and I am still young for gambling even though some online gambling has no KYC for identification, I am not still trying some of it because I know that there are still many things that I can spend my time which is more worthy than spending in a gamble. Most of the people choose to play a slot machine because sometimes they feel entertained while playing and some people really earn good profit from it.
how old are you ? you dont need to worry bout your age when you play on illegal slots because they are not strict and they dont restrict kids . you can play the slot machine even if not for gambling but play because you are curious and did i mention it can give happiness ? play some penny and stop once it over and youll be just fine .

 how do you know that there are some gambling site dont have a kyc ? hmm...  but you can use that as an advantage to play just like what i told earlier on slot machine . when gambling , time is not the only thing that being spent but also money .
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October 06, 2020, 11:39:13 AM
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Some gamblers do not know that's it's unlicensed and illegal and they don't care if they are, they just want to play, they just want to gamble, a gambler will always gamble, this is the reason why do have a lot of underground gambling you cannot stop people from gambling they have the urge to gamble they have to release it whether legal or illegal.
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October 06, 2020, 11:52:44 AM
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I understand what you are talking about, but there is a paradox here: the most honest RTP is the most addictive (since the player often has intermediate victories).

If RTP is dishonest, then gambler has a chance to feel it and not play.
Agree with sir Betwrong, people can get rekt even with zero HE, so they probably cannot feel the difference. About the intermediate wins, the 80% RTP slots can also give that, and someone lucky could still win big.

When you see the mentioned video on OP about how much money they earn, your hypothesis seems incorrect right?

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October 06, 2020, 12:57:21 PM
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Never played on such a machine so cannot comment on how much rigged it can be. One of the reasons people might prefer to play there is easy availability. Since, people like to prefer things they have easy access to, they might be choosing these machines.

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October 06, 2020, 01:14:27 PM
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This is popular in my country and usually you’ll see this on the slums area and yes I’ve tried playing on this machine as well.

Those who are living on the slums area are less fortunate and don’t have the access on casinos or even on crypto gambling online so maybe this is the reason why they are playing, and small money is ok with this machine. If you’re going to play big on this kind of illegal machine, you’d better go to the casinos and enjoy playing with a lot of options available for you.

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October 06, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
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the truth is most of them have no idea if the machine is illegal or legit,because the machines was installed in legal places not knowing that it must not be there.
That was not the idea of illegal machines, they were not legal to operate nor put in a legal place, and I think you don't know what is an illegal slot machine looks like.

sometimes it is the authorities who owns those machine or some others that related to them so they can operate without being busted.
this happens in places that has weak laws and weak government.
I have to agree with this, most of the time person in authority is the one who is protecting these illegal operating gambling tools and even the whole underground casino. It is not due to weak laws or weak government, it is because there are really bad and disobeying people.
This is the main problem when we talk about gambling,because those who supposedly the one that impose the laws are the ones who broke it.
there are many gambling facilities either legal or illegal that has been running with the blessing of authorities and this become their bread and butter.









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October 06, 2020, 03:34:54 PM
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This is popular in my country and usually you’ll see this on the slums area and yes I’ve tried playing on this machine as well.

Those who are living on the slums area are less fortunate and don’t have the access on casinos or even on crypto gambling online so maybe this is the reason why they are playing, and small money is ok with this machine. If you’re going to play big on this kind of illegal machine, you’d better go to the casinos and enjoy playing with a lot of options available for you.

They think that if they played in that casino or that places will help them win, and they will use the last place to make money. Maybe they are desperate because they can not find a job out there, so they use that illegal casino to earn money. But they don't know if they still at that casino will risk their lives because, in the end, the government can track down the casino, and all of the people who gamble on that place will get caught. If they go to the legal casino, they need to have more money to enter that place.

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October 06, 2020, 03:49:18 PM
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If the use of any illegal thing is increasing day by day then it only means that it is readily available and easily usable in the market.
The owners place these illegal slot machines because it is readily available, easy to tweak, lower installation cost and they know that the customers would surely use it.
The main reason behind it is that the gamblers would lose some money and go away but these small gambles would generate a bigger income for the owner.

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October 07, 2020, 08:46:32 PM
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If the use of any illegal thing is increasing day by day then it only means that it is readily available and easily usable in the market.
The owners place these illegal slot machines because it is readily available, easy to tweak, lower installation cost and they know that the customers would surely use it.
^ That's definitely true, people who are in gambling because they gamble.
Illegal or legal, they are there to take the risk. They already knew the consequences but something is giving them the power to pursue gambling even if the platforms they use are illegal. They wouldn't care.
Their thrill for risky activities is being rewarded by these platforms so be it. Nevertheless, the fact that the unlicensed casinos are always doubtful because that probably of not having a provably fair system.
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October 07, 2020, 09:37:30 PM
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If the use of any illegal thing is increasing day by day then it only means that it is readily available and easily usable in the market.
The owners place these illegal slot machines because it is readily available, easy to tweak, lower installation cost and they know that the customers would surely use it.
^ That's definitely true, people who are in gambling because they gamble.
Illegal or legal, they are there to take the risk. They already knew the consequences but something is giving them the power to pursue gambling even if the platforms they use are illegal. They wouldn't care.
Their thrill for risky activities is being rewarded by these platforms so be it. Nevertheless, the fact that the unlicensed casinos are always doubtful because that probably of not having a provably fair system.
Its increasing because some of the government official support this one and they are protected by the policemen and this is happening in my country. Even if they broke many illegal machines they can’t stop this one not until those corrupt officials are gone. I don’t want to risk my life just to try playing on this illegal machine, those who money that you make on illegal things wont last.
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October 07, 2020, 10:03:43 PM
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I did not tried the mentioned machine, yes there is a lot of gambling sige who are licensed and better to play because it's fair and yiu are sure your money is safe. Maybe they have reasons why that gambling games in that country are booming so why people keep playing that even it is not register or does not permit. Many people are sadly playing gambling during the pandemic instead of buying their needs it's good playing but in moderation .
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October 07, 2020, 10:24:10 PM
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Some gamblers do not know that's it's unlicensed and illegal and they don't care if they are, they just want to play, they just want to gamble, a gambler will always gamble, this is the reason why do have a lot of underground gambling you cannot stop people from gambling they have the urge to gamble they have to release it whether legal or illegal.
Most of  them (gambler) don't care about the documentation of the gamble casino, they are after what they can get out from the gambling platform. Some of them look out for conveniences (how the gambling platform present their activities) while they choose to gamble, gambling platforms I have visited can be as a result of their conveniences with them and not based on their licensed or others, though, they are important but convenience is my watchword.

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October 07, 2020, 11:56:13 PM
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I did not tried the mentioned machine, yes there is a lot of gambling sige who are licensed and better to play because it's fair and yiu are sure your money is safe. Maybe they have reasons why that gambling games in that country are booming so why people keep playing that even it is not register or does not permit. Many people are sadly playing gambling during the pandemic instead of buying their needs it's good playing but in moderation .
Many see gambling as an opportunity to have a living but it's not good for a long run. Maybe we were able to win now but we're not sure upto when so we better know our priorities like whether to risk in unlicensed casino wherein fact there are many online and physical casinos that operates better and safer. Gambling already is already a risky activity, why we will want to add more pressure playing in illegal one that may be confiscated or have ambush when caught. Better play safe in place area than add risk in playing in illegal Once.

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October 08, 2020, 07:38:43 PM
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Some gamblers do not know that's it's unlicensed and illegal and they don't care if they are, they just want to play, they just want to gamble, a gambler will always gamble, this is the reason why do have a lot of underground gambling you cannot stop people from gambling they have the urge to gamble they have to release it whether legal or illegal.
Most of  them (gambler) don't care about the documentation of the gamble casino, they are after what they can get out from the gambling platform. Some of them look out for conveniences (how the gambling platform present their activities) while they choose to gamble, gambling platforms I have visited can be as a result of their conveniences with them and not based on their licensed or others, though, they are important but convenience is my watchword.
Well, sorry for bumping this thread but I am contradicting of this statement. Gamblers care about licensed casinos.
Illegal/unlicensed platform are most likely giving fair gaming experience. Why? --Because they can easily reach their quota to earn a profit.
Since they are operating without any license, they doesnt need to pay debts and use the fund from their profits to do so.
Because they are almost operating for free! Also, --gambling license is very expensive, I can tell. And that's why regulated gambling sites don't have that fairness compared to illegal ones. Hope this helped!









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Gambling addiction is like any other addiction. It will make you do irrational things. They fool themselves into thinking that they've found the perfect method that will make them millionaires and there is no convincing them otherwise. When you lose sight of reality you're not going to bother looking into the provable fairness of a game and other important details like that.

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October 08, 2020, 09:08:11 PM
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Well, sorry for bumping this thread but I am contradicting of this statement. Gamblers care about licensed casinos.
Illegal/unlicensed platform are most likely giving fair gaming experience. Why? --Because they can easily reach their quota to earn a profit.
Since they are operating without any license, they doesnt need to pay debts and use the fund from their profits to do so.
Because they are almost operating for free! Also, --gambling license is very expensive, I can tell. And that's why regulated gambling sites don't have that fairness compared to illegal ones. Hope this helped!

I have to disagree at some point. It's no doubt that some gamblers don't really look into it's licensed as long as these gambling sites offer something good here in the community plus the fact that they are responsive and do what is best to give gamblers a good experience.

When you encounter a site like that, is license will be your first thing to ask? I doubt it is.

And to how much is the cost of having a license, no it's not expensive.

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The answer to this question could be really quite simple in that its a crowd effect, the separate amounts spent on this machine may be quite small and each player assumes the game to be legitimate and reasonable to play and in any case its a small amount gambled so many just wont come back.   Passing trade along busy routes can be quite high and we may not be talking regulars who would build up a knowledge of the likely luck or payout rate on this machine.
   I could play pinball for ten minutes also and never expect anything back, this machine is slightly more nefarious then that but as a modern machine I bet its quite similar in appearing to be a game with bright flashing lights.    Its a momentary distraction, obviously its unfair on gamblers who come back or large bettors who expected a fair game and were incorrect in that assumption.

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October 09, 2020, 09:57:17 AM
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Gambling addiction is like any other addiction. It will make you do irrational things. They fool themselves into thinking that they've found the perfect method that will make them millionaires and there is no convincing them otherwise. When you lose sight of reality you're not going to bother looking into the provable fairness of a game and other important details like that.

I agree that some don't bother either machines are licensed or not.

But I disagree that most of them are convinced that gambling would make them millionaires or rich. Some of them just wanted to fool around and lay waste their money on these machines. They want to have fun and I don't think they would be asking whether these machines are licensed since they would just play and go.
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October 09, 2020, 10:16:29 AM
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Most likely machines are being tested before it will be put to use and sometimes get sealed so that all coulr not make an idea that the machine could be set up or being manipulated. This is why I think if there are unlicensed machine that being played it will be subject for violating the rules ad regulations set by the third party especially the government. And if that is the case the casino will be facing huge penalties to which think they afraid to get it with unless they know how to negotiate the authority making deals under the table. This is some sort of corruption but actually it did happen here in our place.
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October 09, 2020, 12:58:11 PM
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Most likely machines are being tested before it will be put to use and sometimes get sealed so that all coulr not make an idea that the machine could be set up or being manipulated. This is why I think if there are unlicensed machine that being played it will be subject for violating the rules ad regulations set by the third party especially the government. And if that is the case the casino will be facing huge penalties to which think they afraid to get it with unless they know how to negotiate the authority making deals under the table. This is some sort of corruption but actually it did happen here in our place.

If the machines are at an illegal casino, the casino can manipulate the machines because they can do everything before the gamblers use the machine. The government will not know about those machines because the illegal casino is tough to find. The government had to search in many places, including to ask people. But I don't know if I already played those machines or not, but think I never try on those machines because I don't go to the illegal casino. But maybe other people already try machines, especially for people who play in the random casino, which they don't know if that casino is legal or illegal.

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October 09, 2020, 04:21:27 PM
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Some gamblers do not know that's it's unlicensed and illegal and they don't care if they are, they just want to play, they just want to gamble, a gambler will always gamble, this is the reason why do have a lot of underground gambling you cannot stop people from gambling they have the urge to gamble they have to release it whether legal or illegal.
Most of  them (gambler) don't care about the documentation of the gamble casino, they are after what they can get out from the gambling platform. Some of them look out for conveniences (how the gambling platform present their activities) while they choose to gamble, gambling platforms I have visited can be as a result of their conveniences with them and not based on their licensed or others, though, they are important but convenience is my watchword.
Well, sorry for bumping this thread but I am contradicting of this statement. Gamblers care about licensed casinos.
Illegal/unlicensed platform are most likely giving fair gaming experience. Why? --Because they can easily reach their quota to earn a profit.
Since they are operating without any license, they doesnt need to pay debts and use the fund from their profits to do so.
Because they are almost operating for free! Also, --gambling license is very expensive, I can tell. And that's why regulated gambling sites don't have that fairness compared to illegal ones. Hope this helped!
It might interest you that, thousands of complaints from forum members are from those gambling platforms you and i think to be registered and licensed. Reach a quota by those unlicensed gambling platforms doesn't make them to exit their activities online, though this can be true to some extent , also, licensed gambling do some of these aforementioned illegalities, so, its not peculiar with the unlicensed casinos. Here are some fees for registry gambling casinos,     USA: $30k - $70k, Europe: 20,000 euros and my dear country Nigeria: #50k - #1.5M, with all these fees gambling license isn't expensive IMO.

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