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[TGD]

@gadado You seem to think you are smarter than everyone here. You insinuated the exact same thing days ago which we explained. Again, today, you made yourself a cheerleader on the issue.  KYC is for a specific reason which clearly you don't understand!

As clearly stated, by electronic payment methods (Skrill, credit or debit card, etc.). These are traditional payment systems and of course, have a much stricter regulation requirement compared to cryptocurrencies. These payment methods are already integrated into our platform and we have the option and capability to activate/enable it at any time with a click of a button. For these reasons, we made the ToS in a way to be all-inclusive. We currently do not have any of the traditional payment methods enabled, for this reason, the KYC is not a necessity. They are our terms and conditions, we understand what they mean, don't tell us what you think they mean. You are free to ask for a clarification which we already provided but, you don't get to tell us what is what.

You make it very difficult for your own. You write the terms and conditions according to real money transactions, but none of them apply and you offer deposits and withdrawals in cryptocurrency only, which are not included in the terms and conditions. What's the point of this? If you start a crypt gambling site, keep the fiat out or make sure that the conditions also apply to crypto.

Why you guys keep bothering Betnomi about KYC while it was clearly stated on the ToS that it was required in some special cases and this was explained many times. You can't rewrite a TOS that prepared by there lawyer instantly and they don't force anyone here to play in there casino. You are making a simple things worst here. You should not play in casino that has a fiat currency if you are too allergic on KYC. They are not the only casino guys.

@Betnomi, for peace of mind of many user, Can we request an official statement from your management about no KYC requirements for a normal withdrawal.

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You should not play in casino that has a fiat currency if you are too allergic on KYC. They are not the only casino guys.

@Betnomi, for peace of mind of many user, Can we request an official statement from your management about no KYC requirements for a normal withdrawal.

It's true, don't make it too difficult for yourself when you want to play casino because in this forum there are many alternatives with crypto money, even for me, it's very anonymous and easy to use without having to use KYC if you don't want to.
Often times people misunderstand what they are getting from their minds so that they continue to embrace the same thing without looking at the discussion from before it.

And it is clear that in normal withdrawals, KYC is not needed for their criteria to be free to withdraw at a specified number.

[aomakun]

@gadado You seem to think you are smarter than everyone here. You insinuated the exact same thing days ago which we explained. Again, today, you made yourself a cheerleader on the issue.  KYC is for a specific reason which clearly you don't understand!

As clearly stated, by electronic payment methods (Skrill, credit or debit card, etc.). These are traditional payment systems and of course, have a much stricter regulation requirement compared to cryptocurrencies. These payment methods are already integrated into our platform and we have the option and capability to activate/enable it at any time with a click of a button. For these reasons, we made the ToS in a way to be all-inclusive. We currently do not have any of the traditional payment methods enabled, for this reason, the KYC is not a necessity. They are our terms and conditions, we understand what they mean, don't tell us what you think they mean. You are free to ask for a clarification which we already provided but, you don't get to tell us what is what.

You make it very difficult for your own. You write the terms and conditions according to real money transactions, but none of them apply and you offer deposits and withdrawals in cryptocurrency only, which are not included in the terms and conditions. What's the point of this? If you start a crypt gambling site, keep the fiat out or make sure that the conditions also apply to crypto.

Why you guys keep bothering Betnomi about KYC while it was clearly stated on the ToS that it was required in some special cases and this was explained many times. You can't rewrite a TOS that prepared by there lawyer instantly and they don't force anyone here to play in there casino. You are making a simple things worst here. You should not play in casino that has a fiat currency if you are too allergic on KYC. They are not the only casino guys.

@Betnomi, for peace of mind of many user, Can we request an official statement from your management about no KYC requirements for a normal withdrawal.

That is because there is a lack of clarity. Gamblers want clarity. if Betnomi can put in the conditions that no KYC is needed for cryptocurrency, then everything will be solved, right?

[betnomi]

We have been here for at least 8 months. We never asked anyone for KYC and on multiple occasions clarified our position on the issue but still, a handful of people (the same people) repeatedly throw around the same stuff even though it has been addressed several times. Our understanding is, there are some people who have just one goal, to spread false information, promote distrust and take down Casino projects/ companies. Whatever it maybe, we wish them good luck. To anyone who has a legitimate concern about the KYC issue, take our words for it. You will not be required to provide any such documents.

Thank you.

[gadado]

We have been here for at least 8 months. We never asked anyone for KYC and on multiple occasions clarified our position on the issue but still, a handful of people (the same people) repeatedly throw around the same stuff even though it has been addressed several times. Our understanding is, there are some people who have just one goal, to spread false information, promote distrust and take down Casino projects/ companies. Whatever it maybe, we wish them good luck. To anyone who has a legitimate concern about the KYC issue, take our words for it. You will not be required to provide any such documents.

Thank you.

I think there is a misunderstanding in your thinking and understanding of the current state of affairs. We are very critical because the terms on the site contradict the things you say on the forum.
Why doesn't that get through to you? I get the idea that you just won't get through to what we're trying to tell you. Everything in the general terms and conditions applies.
What you write / say on the forum is not relevant at all. That is just additional information to clarify matters. You shouldn't feel your own attacked.
There are similar sites that have had such criticism, they have dealt with it in a good way by tweaking it and taking advantage of it.

[sempak]

I think the website and layout look nice. Much better than the previous version. Only I have to agree with a few people now that I have read this case. By the way, I have not read anywhere that there is even a possible scam. The problem certainly isn't there either. And I also believe that you have not asked people for KYC yet. But why is there anything else in the conditions? I would get rid of this problem once and for all by setting the conditions that you do not charge KYC for Crypto payments. Then everything is solved in one fell swoop.

[Cacingkemi]

I think the website and layout look nice. Much better than the previous version. Only I have to agree with a few people now that I have read this case. By the way, I have not read anywhere that there is even a possible scam. The problem certainly isn't there either. And I also believe that you have not asked people for KYC yet. But why is there anything else in the conditions? I would get rid of this problem once and for all by setting the conditions that you do not charge KYC for Crypto payments. Then everything is solved in one fell swoop.

I also think it is time to get rid of the discussion for once and for all and just adjust the ToS. I also do not think you need a lawyer for that, you only have to make sure that what you write will be legit.
There are many people here on the forum, so in case you need any help with that, you can maybe also post a message somewhere. I am sure there are people who are willing to help.
Do not let other people discourage your project.

[deadthings]

@gadado You seem to think you are smarter than everyone here. You insinuated the exact same thing days ago which we explained. Again, today, you made yourself a cheerleader on the issue.  KYC is for a specific reason which clearly you don't understand!

As clearly stated, by electronic payment methods (Skrill, credit or debit card, etc.). These are traditional payment systems and of course, have a much stricter regulation requirement compared to cryptocurrencies. These payment methods are already integrated into our platform and we have the option and capability to activate/enable it at any time with a click of a button. For these reasons, we made the ToS in a way to be all-inclusive. We currently do not have any of the traditional payment methods enabled, for this reason, the KYC is not a necessity. They are our terms and conditions, we understand what they mean, don't tell us what you think they mean. You are free to ask for a clarification which we already provided but, you don't get to tell us what is what.

You make it very difficult for your own. You write the terms and conditions according to real money transactions, but none of them apply and you offer deposits and withdrawals in cryptocurrency only, which are not included in the terms and conditions. What's the point of this? If you start a crypt gambling site, keep the fiat out or make sure that the conditions also apply to crypto.

Why you guys keep bothering Betnomi about KYC while it was clearly stated on the ToS that it was required in some special cases and this was explained many times. You can't rewrite a TOS that prepared by there lawyer instantly and they don't force anyone here to play in there casino. You are making a simple things worst here. You should not play in casino that has a fiat currency if you are too allergic on KYC. They are not the only casino guys.

@Betnomi, for peace of mind of many user, Can we request an official statement from your management about no KYC requirements for a normal withdrawal.

You probably miss the finesse that the terms and conditions write something different than what the Operator writes here on the forum. Isn't it normal when you write in the terms and conditions that you ask for documentation after every payout, that people assume that it is? The first thing people look at are the conditions. You cannot write A in your terms and conditions and say B in the forum. This raises a lot of questions and uncertainties.

Furthermore, Betnomi did not gave an official statement. Besides that, changing/adding this line in the terms is not so much work?

[Zicadis]

I think the website and layout look nice. Much better than the previous version. Only I have to agree with a few people now that I have read this case. By the way, I have not read anywhere that there is even a possible scam. The problem certainly isn't there either. And I also believe that you have not asked people for KYC yet. But why is there anything else in the conditions? I would get rid of this problem once and for all by setting the conditions that you do not charge KYC for Crypto payments. Then everything is solved in one fell swoop.

I also do not think you need a lawyer for that, you only have to make sure that what you write will be legit.
There are many people here on the forum, so in case you need any help with that, you can maybe also post a message somewhere.

To be on the safe side I would encourage you to as well as being compliant with what you write about if in doubt ask for a law expert to avoid further repercussions

down the line.

It is better to be prepared before inviting people to exploit your weaknesses which could cost you.

But I agree as far as the recent work looks, it doesn't look all that bad. In fact it looks you'll be ready to wrap the project up soon. Good luck!

[betnomi]

We have received a lot of very useful feedbacks over the last few weeks. Be assured, we are going through every single one of them and will implement the changes we deem  necessary. By the end of the week or early next week, we should have our new website with improved design, new features, updates and patches online.

Also, everyone that is asking about bonuses and promotions, starting next week, a lot of amazing bonuses will become available.


Thank you all for the support, we really appreciate it and kindly keep the feedbacks coming.  *_*

[deadthings]

We have received a lot of very useful feedbacks over the last few weeks. Be assured, we are going through every single one of them and will implement the changes we deem  necessary. By the end of the week or early next week, we should have our new website with improved design, new features, updates and patches online.

Also, everyone that is asking about bonuses and promotions, starting next week, a lot of amazing bonuses will become available.


Thank you all for the support, we really appreciate it and kindly keep the feedbacks coming.  *_*

This is a good thing. If the terms are changed and it states that no KYC is required for cryptocurrency transactions, then that will certainly remove a lot of question marks and doubts from players.

[betnomi]

This is a good thing. If the terms are changed and it states that no KYC is required for cryptocurrency transactions, then that will certainly remove a lot of question marks and doubts from players.

We understand the urge/ need to have the KYC clause removed from our terms and conditions but unfortunately, for legal and regulatory reasons, we are unable to do that at this time. All we can do is, make clear we will not require an average player to under go the KYC process. Unless we determine the player to be a fraudulent player or reasons outside our purview. Other than these circumstances,  KYC should not be of a concern as a crypto user on our platform. If this is not enough, we are not sure what will be.

[deadthings]

This is a good thing. If the terms are changed and it states that no KYC is required for cryptocurrency transactions, then that will certainly remove a lot of question marks and doubts from players.

We understand the urge/ need to have the KYC clause removed from our terms and conditions but unfortunately, for legal and regulatory reasons, we are unable to do that at this time. All we can do is, make clear we will not require an average player to under go the KYC process. Unless we determine the player to be a fraudulent player or reasons outside our purview. Other than these circumstances,  KYC should not be of a concern as a crypto user on our platform. If this is not enough, we are not sure what will be.

We would like to take your word for it. The problem, however, remains the conditions. We understand that you cannot just change it. You are also not supposed to take the KYC out completely.
Only that you make sure that no KYC applies in the case of crypto deosits/withdrawals.

[Renampun]

We have received a lot of very useful feedbacks over the last few weeks. Be assured, we are going through every single one of them and will implement the changes we deem  necessary. By the end of the week or early next week, we should have our new website with improved design, new features, updates and patches online.

Also, everyone that is asking about bonuses and promotions, starting next week, a lot of amazing bonuses will become available.


Thank you all for the support, we really appreciate it and kindly keep the feedbacks coming.  *_*

this is really good news...
I haven't tried playing again at Betnomi for a long time, hopefully with upgrades that are increasingly being improved on the site and services as well as promotional bonuses that will be distributed I can feel the benefits. betnomi will grow bigger.

[gadado]

This is a good thing. If the terms are changed and it states that no KYC is required for cryptocurrency transactions, then that will certainly remove a lot of question marks and doubts from players.

We understand the urge/ need to have the KYC clause removed from our terms and conditions but unfortunately, for legal and regulatory reasons, we are unable to do that at this time. All we can do is, make clear we will not require an average player to under go the KYC process. Unless we determine the player to be a fraudulent player or reasons outside our purview. Other than these circumstances,  KYC should not be of a concern as a crypto user on our platform. If this is not enough, we are not sure what will be.

Sorry but I am not buying this. You make a promise that players don't need to provide KYC when it comes to crypto, but you can't include it in the terms and conditions? Where's the logic?
These are your own conditions, because you have your own permit. Then you decide that yourself. Unless it is not allowed, but if you are not allowed to include that in the terms and conditions, and therefore not legal, that also means that you cannot make such promises on the forum here.
You keep giving contradictory answers.

[Steamtyme]

I am really surprised why so many people are still interested in this site, which has made a mess of it since the begin. I've been keeping a close eye on this topic from post number 1. So they have a lawyer? Then explain to me that they have already adjusted the general terms and conditions 20 times and that they contained fraudulent things all the time that need to be adjusted? The supply from excluded countries was also incorrect. Still not correct by the way. Only amateurs work this way. There is not a single attorney in the world who would draft this or agree to this. It was a mess at Betnomi from the start, and it still is.
What a nonsense story about that KYC by the way. You either have a KYC or you don't. There is no middle ground.

Imagine that a new service starting out coming off as amateurs. Even then they were eager and made some mistakes, that at first glance were bad. The team has since worked and communicated here openly to address and remedy any issues caused. They are going to continue to do so, to continue to provide a good service, while growing and improving.
I'll continue to gladly play there as I have not run into any issues that make me feel unsafe. I will still continue to listen for any real issue that ever occurs, but don't think carrying on the hypotheticals for several pages benefits anyone. The answers have been given, the timelines for improvements have been given. Now people can either show their support by playing, or not by abstaining. That will show the business if it's on the right track.

Sorry but I am not buying this. You make a promise that players don't need to provide KYC when it comes to crypto, but you can't include it in the terms and conditions? Where's the logic?
These are your own conditions, because you have your own permit. Then you decide that yourself. Unless it is not allowed, but if you are not allowed to include that in the terms and conditions, and therefore not legal, that also means that you cannot make such promises on the forum here.
You keep giving contradictory answers.

It's not about you buying it. Several people have asked the same question, some several times and have been given an answer. The answer is not contradictory, but complimentary to the TOS. Statements made on forum are something you can hold them accountable to on the forum when they begin to drift outside of their assurances. This is where they are building their business and making connections so they aren't going to be coming around here and poisoning the well. They have already learned this forum is quick to act and have learned from past mistakes.
So as I've said before people need to come to their own conclusions in how much your KYC matters to you in the event you are suspected of fraudulent play and/or win a large jackpot. These are not something that is hidden the responses have been laid out several times, and now all that is left is for the customers to decide, if the offerings in way of games and promotions are worth it.

Side note with poker I have run into a few glitches that I've seen some others mention as well.

#1 - Not being able to see your opponents cards at showdown. Sometimes they aren't visible at the end of the hand in gameplay, but I should still be able to go back into the hand history for review to see what cards they called with on the river.

#2 - When trying to leave a note for a player, it often gets stuck and I am left displaying a previous note in that box permanently for that session. This leaves me unable to see notes I've left players and unable to be sure the note I'm leaving a new player is correct.

#3 I also ran into a weird one where I have my Pre-flop bet buttons set at 2.5X so it should bet 2.5BB, a few times it actually adds the 2.5BB to the 1BB flat call, and sets itself as 3.5BB betsizing. This is a weird one as it only happens rarely.

Apart from that it does look like the player base is growing which is nice. I would request that there be some freerolls that aren't for specific tournaments but give you a ticket for that level of buy-in.

Edit: Forgot number 4 - Closing a Sit & Go table that hasn't started (less than 3 players) should automatically unregister you from that game.

[Stedsm]

Sorry but I am not buying this. You make a promise that players don't need to provide KYC when it comes to crypto, but you can't include it in the terms and conditions? Where's the logic?
These are your own conditions, because you have your own permit. Then you decide that yourself. Unless it is not allowed, but if you are not allowed to include that in the terms and conditions, and therefore not legal, that also means that you cannot make such promises on the forum here.
You keep giving contradictory answers.

I'm "not so kinda" sorry to interrupt here but there's just one thing I'm not getting. Why are you so deeply trying to put down betnomi for whatever they have done with their "KYC" part in their  terms? If you're not satisfied with the terms, isn't it better to just leave it and move ahead to another casino on the line? Why to harass them? This is not something to be done - poking them on the same topic again and again so to keep everyone's focus on it. We've been there and playing for a while, deposited and withdrew every single penny without getting asked for KYC till now. I believe they have the right to ask for KYC when they believe it's needed, like in cases where they suspect somebody of multi-accounting.

[arallmuus]

Unless it is not allowed, but if you are not allowed to include that in the terms and conditions, and therefore not legal, that also means that you cannot make such promises on the forum here.
You keep giving contradictory answers.

Im not sure why everyone keep on bringing this KYC issue everytime. This is not the first time you see a site with this kind of TOS. There are tons of site that actually has almost the same TOS

I'll give 3 top sites in bitcointalk that actually require their players to provide KYC as well but from my own personal experiences , they never ask any KYC from me. I wont name the site but you guys can totally look for this on your own and check this on their TOS







You guys probably notice these sites from the background and I can totally tell you that these are probably the top 3 popular site in this forum . Im sure even you have an account in these sites so I dont see why people keep bringing the KYC issue here but leave it out on the other sites.

Im being neutral and this is the fact that everyone seems to ignore. You dont need to trust me, just go and check the other sites' TOS and check if they actually put in the same KYC requirement in their TOS

[barbara44]

^^ I doubt that as long as people start getting KYC in bunches, this is a topic that is required, plus there are many other casinos that require KYC as well if anything special happens, it is just a precaution thing that casinos do to both save themselves from legal trouble but also help you as well to get rid of legal trouble, KYC for no good reason would be a bad thing but KYC for a good reason is a good thing.

So, I would say do not really care for the ToS version of "what could happen" and just focus on what is going on, they are not asking for it and they are not making a deal out of it neither, they just put it up there for show and for future and that's it, move on until you see people start getting KYC left and right, you can worry about it when/if it happens.

[wildan88]

Unless it is not allowed, but if you are not allowed to include that in the terms and conditions, and therefore not legal, that also means that you cannot make such promises on the forum here.
You keep giving contradictory answers.

Im not sure why everyone keep on bringing this KYC issue everytime. This is not the first time you see a site with this kind of TOS. There are tons of site that actually has almost the same TOS

I'll give 3 top sites in bitcointalk that actually require their players to provide KYC as well but from my own personal experiences , they never ask any KYC from me. I wont name the site but you guys can totally look for this on your own and check this on their TOS







You guys probably notice these sites from the background and I can totally tell you that these are probably the top 3 popular site in this forum . Im sure even you have an account in these sites so I dont see why people keep bringing the KYC issue here but leave it out on the other sites.

Im being neutral and this is the fact that everyone seems to ignore. You dont need to trust me, just go and check the other sites' TOS and check if they actually put in the same KYC requirement in their TOS

First, it means that it has actually been about that kyc for far too long. One can discuss a few messages about that, and then it should be over. This is not supposed to be the talk of the town.
I would like to say the following about it.
The comparison with other sites seems logical, but is very different in my view. The mistake Betnomi made is to explicitly write on the forum that they will not ask for KYC, only in case of fraud and high winnings like the Jackpot. yes, that is a logical story and normal information. The big problem is that it literally states in the general terms and conditions that they will always request the documents from a customer when paying, so that you are dealing with a KYC procedure. Perhaps what Betnomi says is correct, and that we can ignore this, but if you put something in the terms and conditions regarding the KYC, people will assume (and rightly so) that it is. You cannot put in the terms and conditions that you are asking for KYC, and write on a forum that you will not ask for it. This raises many questions, and as a result, unnecessary discussion has now started.
Many other sites also have KYC rules, which is normal. However, they are not going to write on a forum that they will never ask for this KYC, and that's the big difference here. Betnomi shouldn't have written that either. They should have just indicated on the forum that they can also ask for KYC, also for crypto. Or put this in your condition. Now saying you don't ask for KYC when the terms say you are is dubious.