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[...] Even if the address was under control of Lauda there is nothing stopping her from moving her funds after she departed this forum.
The address is not under Lauda's control (any savvy user can get these funds).

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I miss Kitty. 😿

Fearless and fearsome.  Straight shooter.  Never bent, evaded, or dissimulated to play forum politics.  Ferocious defender of Bitcoin.

Continuing on my prior post in this thread, I celebrated Bitcoin Independence Day appropriately:


Re: Bitmain announces plan to create altcoin if BIP148 succeeds
I have already stated that the ASIC monopoly and mining cartel are much more dangerous than any kind of scaling issues. Just so that we are clear, all these idiots in altcoins parading "we are the best, we will win next" will get crushed. This is the time to be watching and learning from Bitcoin, i.e. how Bitcoin combats and resists malicious actors such as Bitmain.


[A post discussing the puzzle.]
If I'm not confusing anything, then the balance on Lauda's account has changed.  Shocked

Which balance are you referring to?
Yes it seems strange that a small deposit was made there but the reason behind it remains unknown. Even if the address was under control of Lauda there is nothing stopping her from moving her funds after she departed this forum.

Out of curiosity, if not Lauda then who could be controlling the wallet? Maybe the person controlling it made the deposit.

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[...] Even if the address was under control of Lauda there is nothing stopping her from moving her funds after she departed this forum.
The address is not under Lauda's control (any savvy user can get these funds).

Indeed.  Let’s keep a puzzle about the puzzle.  I have been advertising the Lauda memorial puzzle in my signature for almost the past 17 months; and it has been discussed extensively in the past few pages of this thread.  Nonetheless, it seems to be the best-kept secret of this forum! Cheesy

Like the puzzle itself, all of the information needed to claim the money is hiding in plain sight.  Unlike finding information about the puzzle, recovering the private key requires thinking like nullius.

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August 03, 2022, 11:58:17 AM
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That settles it then, the mystery was not so much a mystery after all. I did not pay much attention to what was going on with the wallet or the memorial puzzle but after reading the last post it becomes clear why funds were added and who added them  Grin

Indeed.  Let’s keep a puzzle about the puzzle.  I have been advertising the Lauda memorial puzzle in my signature for almost the past 17 months; and it has been discussed extensively in the past few pages of this thread.  Nonetheless, it seems to be the best-kept secret of this forum! Cheesy

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PrimeNumber7, I think that Lauda probably cared about her privacy from the beginning. 
I have seen evidence that Lauda was not initially careful with their identity when they initially joined the forum. I prefer to not publicly state what evidence I have seen as it may weaken Lauda's privacy as it stands today.

But assuming the contrary arguendo, there are various other reasons besides cypherpunk-anonymity why someone may obfuscate his or her identity online.  For instance, I know that some women with high technical skills masquerade as men, to avoid unwanted sexual attention that is oft crude and gratuitous in anonymous Internet environments.  I think that’s unfortunate, but it is has been a reality for decades—perhaps somewhat less so now.  Who knows?  I myself explicitly claim to be a man; but you have no proof that I am not just putting on a sometimes aggressive display of overt masculinity so I can fit in with the fellows in WO.  Anyway, it is nobody’s business.
I think Lauda initially struggled with some of the technical aspects of Bitcoin, and later learned the necessary skills to understand bitcoin. I find the reasons that I previously stated to be most reasonable.
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If Lauda may have been somewhat careless initially to fully conceal her identity then I hope you will continue to not publicly state the evidence you claim to have seen. The same for others too.

If she wanted her privacy maintained then that is something which should be respected even after she left the forum.

PrimeNumber7, I think that Lauda probably cared about her privacy from the beginning. 
I have seen evidence that Lauda was not initially careful with their identity when they initially joined the forum. I prefer to not publicly state what evidence I have seen as it may weaken Lauda's privacy as it stands today.

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August 04, 2022, 09:19:29 AM
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That settles it then, the mystery was not so much a mystery after all. I did not pay much attention to what was going on with the wallet or the memorial puzzle but after reading the last post it becomes clear why funds were added and who added them  Grin

To be clear:  I did not send the funds on 2022-04-30 and 2022-07-10.  I have no idea who did.  Lauda had many friends and admirers.  Despite my wish to keep the puzzle puzzling, I do not wish inadvertently to be credited for money that anonymous others contributed to the prize!

I created the puzzle, and I initially funded it with 0.001 BTC on 2021-03-14.

I think it’s remarkable that the first new addition of money came when I was “asleep”—just over a year after I had last posted on this forum.  Of course, others remember Kitty—but I was pleasantly surprised that someone remembered my Kitty-puzzle. 😺


PrimeNumber7, I think that Lauda probably cared about her privacy from the beginning.  
I have seen evidence that Lauda was not initially careful with their identity when they initially joined the forum. I prefer to not publicly state what evidence I have seen as it may weaken Lauda's privacy as it stands today.

Thank you for respecting Lauda’s privacy.

I think Lauda initially struggled with some of the technical aspects of Bitcoin, and later learned the necessary skills to understand bitcoin. I find the reasons that I previously stated to be most reasonable.

However she learned, she learned well.  A few days ago, I took a walk down memory lane with some of her posts from 2017.  I had seen many of her posts at the time, while lurking; at the time, I was impressed.  Now, with the benefit of hindsight, I am amazed at how accurately she predicted events in a complex system that involved both human decisions, and technology.

Bitcoin is apolitical money, as to external politics—but internally, it is also highly politicized money (and I must credit Cøbra for having pointed out this latter part, somewhere that I didn’t see at the time).  Unlike many other realms of politics, Bitcoin politics often hinge directly on technical factors.  Being technically correct means winning.

I think that one of the reasons why Lauda had such certitude about being on the winning side was that she understood Bitcoin’s consensus mechanism better than Jihan did.  Better than I did, too.  Until I saw the theories put to the test, I myself had some doubts about how the Bitcoin network would behave in various adversarial scenarios.  Lauda was highly confident about this—and she was right.

Besides that, she seemed rarely to engage in deeply technical discussions; but sometimes, she popped up with something like this:

Re: Bitcoin Block confirmations, Why do they lag at times?
While these answers have substances, they are all wrong i.e. do not explain what is going on. The time between blocks follows the Exponential distribution, the number of blocks in an interval follows the Poisson distribution (Poisson distribution can be derived from an Exponential or Binomial distribution) — with the expected time being 10 minutes, and the variance being 100 minutes.
Bitcoin mining is a Poisson process.  Lauda hit the nail on the head by identifying the mathematically precise distributions, for those who want to learn more about how this really works.

Meow.

I know of only two or three other people who have actively tried to correct this fallacy in the Bitcoin community—and all of them have sometimes been accused of being my alts (including Lauda, lolz).


If she wanted her privacy maintained then that is something which should be respected even after she left the forum.

Yes, indeed.

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Any for of contribution that keeps alive the memory of Lauda would generally be considered a good thing by most since she was popular but what would she have thought of it herself? She removed herself from the drama in the forum for reasons unknown. Do you think Lauda would be supportive of her name/memory being attached to the puzzle?

That settles it then, the mystery was not so much a mystery after all. I did not pay much attention to what was going on with the wallet or the memorial puzzle but after reading the last post it becomes clear why funds were added and who added them  Grin

To be clear:  I did not send the funds on 2022-04-30 and 2022-07-10.  I have no idea who did.  Lauda had many friends and admirers.  Despite my wish to keep the puzzle puzzling, I do not wish inadvertently to be credited for money that anonymous others contributed to the prize!

I created the puzzle, and I initially funded it with 0.001 BTC on 2021-03-14.

I think it’s remarkable that the first new addition of money came when I was “asleep”—just over a year after I had last posted on this forum.  Of course, others remember Kitty—but I was pleasantly surprised that someone remembered my Kitty-puzzle. 😺

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PrimeNumber7’s earlier reply to me had some prior context; it would be known to those who have read the thread, and related discussions in 2020.  I have been actively protective of Lauda’s privacy since she disappeared in 2020, and I repeatedly spoke about that within the first 14 pages of this thread.  I infer from PN7’s prior post that he remembers all of these discussions.


I created the puzzle because I wanted to do something here that I think she would have appreciated, for the enjoyment of everyone who misses her.
I have sometimes thought about making a Lauda website—aye, a stereotypical Internet shrine.  I almost did, back in 2020.  I didn’t (yet?), for I have some doubts about whether or not Lauda would want such a thing.
[...] something fun and challenging in Lauda’s memory, like the sporting games that the Greeks played at the funerals for heroes in classical antiquity. 😺


Any for of contribution that keeps alive the memory of Lauda would generally be considered a good thing by most since she was popular but what would she have thought of it herself? She removed herself from the drama in the forum for reasons unknown. Do you think Lauda would be supportive of her name/memory being attached to the puzzle?

Why the sudden display of concern?  Despite your prior DT interactions with Lauda, you first showed up in this thread on 3 August 2022, on page 14; and you very evidently had not read any of the thread.  It is inappropriate for you to be second-guessing Lauda’s friend and throwing negativity onto something joyful, from a professed concern for Lauda’s name and memory.

Lauda generally liked what I did for her.  I think that’s patently obvious—as was her general desire to be remembered by things I did for her.  I usually didn’t ask her beforehand when I easily could have, and she was always delighted.  Your above-quoted question is also directly answered by a prior post on this thread, which has been linked from my unpaid signature for the past month; it is quoted above, with some other relevant prior posts.

Now, please feel free to take a shot at solving this jolly good puzzle.  I know that you had positive interactions with Lauda; and the puzzle is a fine way to scam you into reading her final thread.  Furthermore, although I know that it may take awhile to solve this one, or it may even remain unsolved indefinitely, I am waxing a bit impatient.  I have been contemplating another puzzle, with some enigmatic ideas that I didn’t use for this one; but I am reluctant to detract from the existing puzzle by adding new puzzles, while this one remains unsolved.  So, please solve it if you can! 😼


P.S., please stop top-posting.  Thanks.

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Those three (Lauda Vod TMAN), were/are pillars of the community.
Heh heh....I'm not certain we're on the same page as far as what it means to be a pillar of a community, because those three members were very different in terms of their personalities, contributions to the forum, and respect earned over the course of their time here.  They were pretty well-known members to be sure, but I don't envision a community pillar to be someone who generates as much controversy as Lauda did.  Some of that was because of his/her sheer abrasiveness, but there was that sting operation that didn't have great optics and probably some other accusations with supporting evidence that I'm forgetting.

Overall, though, I always thought Lauda did more good than harm--but there was a balancing between the two.  With Vod, I don't think there were any accusations against him that held any weight.  He generally tread a righteous path and did a hell of a lot to warn people about loan scammers.

TMAN.  What I remember most about him was his amusing choice of words, some of which could probably make a router blush.  There's no one like him around these days that I know of.


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. ..  Not a small part of me wishes Lauda, Vod, TMAN, and probably a few other members that aren't coming to mind would return simultaneously.  That would be a trip. 

Hell, even if they staggered their reappearances, it'd be amazing.

Those three (Lauda Vod TMAN), were/are pillars of the community.
Lauda Vod TMAN I didn't meet but it's like Vod left later than the other two because when I joined the forum newly I read one thread so about some fracas between him and Ognasty and ors. They have contributed much to the forum, especially Lauda in beginners and Help pinned posts.
Then, describing them as pillars shouldn't be totally right because since they left this forum haven't collapsed. Ok, it could be that there are other pillars apart from three of them. Yet, the foundation is not shaking.
Well, it could be correct that when one pillar falls another will emerge. Then your claims may be right.

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It’s a lot different these days without these mentioned users around, but said sting operation made waves between powerful cliques so strongly the ripples can still be seen to this day..

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Not having several members around now is making this forum a different place altogether but after making a statement such as that you have to name names please... which operation were you referring to?

It’s a lot different these days without these mentioned users around, but said sting operation made waves between powerful cliques so strongly the ripples can still be seen to this day..

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It’s a lot different these days without these mentioned users around, but said sting operation made waves between powerful cliques so strongly the ripples can still be seen to this day..

I think that is overly melodramatic.  “Powerful”?  “Waves”, as opposed to ripples in a frog-pond?  All this DT, rank, and merit stuff has the grandiose false importance of a schoolyard popularity contest between children.  Poor children:  Anyone who has significant BTC would be unlikely to care about these cliques.  Nothing against the poor, per se—I myself am poor; I guess that some poor people can somehow keep a proper perspective on how much supercilious forum-politicking is driven by remarkably petty levels of greed.  But imagine, Eddie:  Would anyone with 1000 BTC be deeply entangled in forum-DT factionalism?  More importantly:  In even so short a time as twenty years, will anyone care?

As I have mentioned before, Lauda repeatedly urged me to quit the forum altogether.  She regarded me as an underachiever, and she was deeply critical of me for this:  “Stop wasting time.”  After the time she spent striving with single-minded devotion to try to help foster a healthy community here, she herself was increasingly frustrated and pessimistic for the reasons inferred by Agbe’s analysis.  Any positive change was blocked by what she privately called “the enablers”:  Not the obvious scammers and trolls—not the unpopular people—but the game-players, the manipulative influence peddlers, their backroom politics, their public currying of favour.

Wherever she is now, I hope that she moved onto more productive endeavours.  And I hope that no ill fate befell her, as seems to be implied by OP here.  And I also hope that—well, let’s put it this way:  I have spent the past few years being haunted by the thought that she may have done a real “Goodbye, world!” over that plagiarism thing, which I myself considered worse than that admittedly ill-advised sting operation.  I have graphically hinted at this before.  I don’t think that’s likely—but I don’t think it’s terribly unlikely, either.  I forgave her over that because, among many other reasons, she immediately owned up to it; and instead of lashing out at the anonymous account that correctly accused her, she thanked it.  I hope that she forgave herself.  All I know is that she was very upset—not merely embarrassed at being caught, but sincerely angry at herself; her activity soon dropped off to its lowest-ever levels, and then she abruptly burnt her identity, cut her contacts, and disappeared.  There was always a lot going on with her; it was probably something else.  Probably a coincidence.

With due apologies for being so morose, Eddie—Black Sabbath, and all.  In a few days, I will return to only my normal level of pessimism.


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1 month Kitty admin and this place will be booming with innovation again.  Smiley

Anyway, I am surprised that The Pharmacist brought up that sting operation in response to jamyr.  At the time, jamyr commented on the thread where the sting operation blew up:

I have respect with Lauda and it will remain that way even if he's done something legally wrong, for me, what matters is youre doing something that is morally right.

So...

Which is exactly why no one except Quickseller and a handful of angry trolls/scammers that Lauda negged care about these accusations against Lauda.  Staff doesn't care.  People on DT generally don't care.  That's because Lauda owned up to the screw up in judgement with the sting operation, [...]

(Corrected because Quickseller made peace with Lauda.  So now, only trolls/scammers care about it.)

You got what you wanted. Lauda is no longer a staff member. You can lock this thread now.

 Huh  Wow

This will hurt the forum.  Lauda was one of the most active staff members.

TMAN was together with Lauda in the same controversy.  I don’t think he would mind my pointing that out, since he was always one of her strongest defenders about that (and otherwise).


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It’s a lot different these days without these mentioned users around, but said sting operation made waves between powerful cliques so strongly the ripples can still be seen to this day..

Not having several members around now is making this forum a different place altogether but after making a statement such as that you have to name names please... which operation were you referring to?

Why should he name names?  It is well-known.  The matter was sufficiently well-settled that the target of the sting blanked his own post about it, to avoid being a drama-magnet.

Lauda was fired from her forum staff position over this—a big blow to her, only two months after she came in second in an unofficial election for the community to suggest a new Global Moderator.  She suffered years of trolling over it.  Over five years later, almost two years after she disappeared, there is no need to rehash the matter.  I am surprised that The Pharmacist brought it up.

Although the circumstances and particulars were very different, in the abstract, that “sting operation” reminds me of something that I once read in a political memoir.  The author was offered a $5,000 bribe in a political type of context—a large sum of money, at the time; this was before the dollar’s implosion in the late twentieth century.  There was a hint that the offer was negotiable; and he had heard that others had received bribes of $50,000 to $75,000 for the same corrupt action.  As he related in his memoir, he was tempted simply to see how high the person offering the bribe would go—not from any temptation to take the money, but from a desire to quantify the corruption.  He thought to play along a bit, in the manner of a sting operation.  Then, he realized that this could backfire very badly; so, he gave it a flat no.

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Why should he name names?  It is well-known.  The matter was sufficiently well-settled that the target of the sting blanked his own post about it, to avoid being a drama-magnet.
I had no idea about these events therefore asked for names to understand what happened.

Lauda was fired from her forum staff position over this—a big blow to her, only two months after she came in second in an unofficial election for the community to suggest a new Global Moderator.  She suffered years of trolling over it.  Over five years later, almost two years after she disappeared, there is no need to rehash the matter.  I am surprised that The Pharmacist brought it up.
I was unaware of the issue therefore reading your post brought something new to my knowledge.

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When I published the puzzle, I thought that either it would be solved very quickly, or it would never be solved.  It did not seem to get much attention, at first— perhaps due to the low funding amount.
Quite possible.

What's wrong with raising the prize money for the puzzle to >= 1 BTC?
Would you mind if he/she/it subtracted the content afterwards or does it violate morals or any rules of this puzzle?
Would you mind if he/she/it would post the solution here publicly in the thread after deducting the prize money or is that undesirable?
Would it be ok for you if not only the puzzle solution would be posted here but also at the same time the clarification about the relationship of different forum users and especially in what relationship you stand with it?

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I see that like inventing new notations for expressing bigger numbers.
If it is what I think it is, then I can tell you I reached 17mKugcBDEJbu391Fq41AdwLeGHwJLPRDf. Of course I know that I need Segwit v0 (so it would rather be bc1qv950rspcgfqufasc29calr5qphh4ucl3ur7vnm), and I also need to express it in a different way, because of how ECDSA works, and how numbers could be combined in some useful way, to preserve some operations, like computing square roots, and reaching better and better approximations (finite fields has some nice properties here, because they are finite). I also know you won't give me more clues. So, it is purely informational, and I could be totally wrong (also because hints should allow reproducing it, which is not the case, because bc1qv950rspcgfqufasc29calr5qphh4ucl3ur7vnm was empty on 14th of March, and 17mKugcBDEJbu391Fq41AdwLeGHwJLPRDf was used long time ago).
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What's wrong with raising the prize money for the puzzle to >= 1 BTC?
Would you mind if he/she/it subtracted the content afterwards or does it violate morals or any rules of this puzzle?
Would you mind if he/she/it would post the solution here publicly in the thread after deducting the prize money or is that undesirable?
Would it be ok for you if not only the puzzle solution would be posted here but also at the same time the clarification about the relationship of different forum users and especially in what relationship you stand with it?

I’m guessing he’s OK with all of that, except the 1BTC part - because of apparent reasons stated already.
Besides, the whole point is not prize related. It’s about the art of hiding things in plain sight.



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Just for your information, to see if I am on the right track or not. My results:
Code:
tx=000018abfb7cbdbf68f857ac53521363e2aef04addc749dfd8c9f449fc7c1e62
k=74242
divisor=235c295c91af3891498f9285d715070b5343d1628db4f597e1c42ba5b16a8b18
privkey=32e21a112ae76afdaab19428a949f572e486b43c8aba007c8604faf007c2d67e
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tx=00005cf48b846d10d3fa3b9fa4e333e02125e9476836c2f85034f53be4e29004
k=117232
divisor=ef00cf67030da1b6a7cfed15e6acf424b4f3c832b89e12001080928d34ee7fdd
privkey=cef249cb0b3d848a4a50cdba355ae2ca4defcf047722e3b75f5e7e9f6f76787e
It seems that my Python implementation is too slow, because after few minutes, I can compute four zeroes in txhash (and I need nine here). If you know, which method I use, you can recompute it by replacing bc1qt2mdkehmphggajer3ur3g8l754scj4fdrmw3rn with the right address from your generator, and reach those results after "k" iterations.
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Wow what happened to her? I always had a crush on Lauda, sad to see her gone, be well sugar.😘
Dayum, miss here already.

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Wow what happened to her? I always had a crush on Lauda, sad to see her gone, be well sugar.😘
Dayum, miss here already.

You will be more honest if you just kept quiet on this topic. someone who already has too much negative feedback certainly does not regret the absence of Lauda, because otherwise, you would have another negative tag.
not sure what you're missing here unless you have masochistic tendencies.

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