UPDATE #3
Here (
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284557.msg55777085#msg55777085) i have posted all explaining current betcoin.ag claims (my account is out of the question now, i have been paid in full, but they refuse to pay all the winnings to the other person).
Finally i have now all the bet lists from the two accounts and i will post them to prove myself and KillyPG are not connected. Please remember that this is the information that betcoin.ag REFUSED to provide since the beginning of this thread. They were of course afraid to provide it, because there is nothing that connects the two different accounts there
here is the full bet list
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284557.msg55779792#msg55779792GOOD LUCK FINDING ANY ABUSE IN THERE
UPDATE #2
unfortunately i had to reopen this thread. Betcoin.ag refused to pay the other person his won money on the facts that they claim that account also belongs to me. They still say i am a scammer (even though they paid my balance in FULL).
My business (people pay me to hear my recommendations on bets) is now threatened, as the other person got his won money stolen BECAUSE he had SOME of his bets the same as mine.
Over the next few days i will be providing evidence in this thread. I want the public to see what shady actions betcoin.ag is taking. They refused to provide this info for months, but i got it directly from the SBR mediation agent. And now everybody will see the lies betcoin.ag is saying.
STAY TUNED !!!
UPDATEI am happy to report, that after the mediation process (which was advised by the betcoin.ag representative from the very beginning) by the SBR (
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/) a resolution has been made to this case and my funds are to be released.
As i have stated several times in my original post, this case was very far from easy from the very start. The moment i have signed up on Betcoin.ag website, i have already broke their terms and conditions, which unfortunately i did not read prior.
I have used the VPNs and as such my whole activity of course became suspicious to betcoin.ag security team.
A bit later, when my btc wallet was used to make a deposit to a different account, my activity had to be investigated further. This action by the betcoin.ag security team is of course justifiable, especially since they found out right away that the other account in question had some similar bets with my account (due to me being a tipster - a person, whose bets are followed by other bettors).
So all facts considered, i do understand that the activity of my account was suspicious to betcoin.ag and the investigation to follow was justifiable.
I am just happy that right away (in their initial response to my emails) betcoin.ag advised me to seek the mediation from the SBR.
Being a very emotional person, my first intention was to fight in public before any mediation. Well, it turns out, that all i had to do is wait for the SBR and betcoin.ag to investigate the case further.
Now i am happy that with the help of SBR and betcoin.ag security team we were able to come to an amicable solution where your account balance is released back to me.
I want to thank all the parties involved, and of course the BitCoinTalk community.
END OF UPDATEWhat happened:: in short i had a loosing account with betcoin.ag, lost around 1.7 BTC, after last deposit of about 0.4 BTC got to about 0.8-1 BTC and account closed Scammers Profile Link: betcoin.ag Amount Scammed: around 0.8-1 BTC (had some pending bets) Payment Method: BTC and USDT Additional Notes: i will post long long long text in this thread, read it only if you are interested. I will be posting this matter to SBR also, and will update this thread accordingly. WARNING AGAIN, the text is VERY VERY LONGHello guys.
I am quite new to the whole crypto scene (although i have just yesterday ordered my Ledger Backup Pack and i own some btc and usdt, so i can probably be already called a “crypto enthusiast”), but thanks to this forum i have started using crypto to bet on sports.
I must say that bitcointalk was very helpful for reading about different bookies/casinos and i got a lot of information here, so Thank You All.
If bitcointalk is considered the best and most helpful crypto source on the web, i represent the best and most popular sportsbetting resource on the web - BLOGABET
It's a community where tipsters (those who provide tips on betting for others) and punters (those who want to bet and want to “follow” successful tipsters) interact and communicate, talking about teams, players, sport news, what to bet, etc.
Those who provide advice on what to bet (tips) can choose to get paid for this, and those who want to follow some tipsters, they think are successful (publicly recorded statistics are available), can choose to pay for the tipster services.
At the time of writing, the blogabet community has over 345 000 active members, with around 41 000 tipsters, 3400+ paid services and 3000+ active tips (Monday, is the quietest day).
Disclaimer: i am in no way trying to advertise the above mentioned website here, but all that i write about it will come into play later, when i explain my unfortunate situation with BetCoin.ag
My nickname on this website is Jimin Jibao. For the last 3+ years I have been using it and I do have the best overall (and all time) statistics among all the tipsters.
I have publicly and system recorded (can not be manipulated by users) yield of +52% on over 3100 bets.
At the time of writing i have about 10500 followers (on the profile page you can see only about 9400, the other 1000 is only email or sms subscribers that only i can see), that get all my bets, my updates and blog posts delivered to their emails, phones (via sms) and personal profiles on the Blogabet platforms.
I don't mean to brag, just stating the facts. All the above mentioned numbers are the best ever on the platform, and there is a very good opportunity that nobody ever will outperform me. It's almost safe to say that my profile will be the top top performer on this platform for years to come.
So here goes my sad story with the BetCoin.ag …
You all think you heard it before, a player wins large money with a bookie and they decide not to pay him …
No, my friends. It is not going to be like this. I will cut to the chase here …
Overall I lost in BetCoin.ag about 1.7 BTC and they still decided to close my account and refuse to pay me my balance (close to 1 BTC i think).
So here go all the details of this interesting case:
I am used to betting in conventional sportsbook companies, and have many many accounts with them. Most are limited now of course, as i won good money there. So bookies are of course funny and will limit you to 5 EUR maxbets after you win 1000 or 2000 …
Somewhere, i dont remember where, i heard about these “bitcoin bookies”, people were saying some good things about “them” .
Somehow I ended up registering in one of them. Made some bets there, lost in the end (i tend to try to bet all in, when i can. I go for big wins, and subsequently big losses).
Then deposited some money i think about 700 euros worth of btc. At night, I could not find any bet to take and went to sleep. When I woke up and after some time went back to this bookie, I found my balance to be almost 0. I didn't understand what was happening and was angrily talking to the support.
They claimed that at night (after i have deposited) my whole balance was withdrawn to some btc wallets. The users logged in from Brazil and some Middle East country i think…
And btc being anonymous my money is GONE.
I was very very angry and my first reaction was that the bookie scammed me. So immediately I went searching on the web for possible solutions.
That is the first time i came across bitcointalk forums i think.
Later the bookie support explained to me that my passwords were leaked online and how it was my own fault that all my btc was stolen from this bookie. They also gave me a big lecture on how i am supposed to take web security seriously, so on and so on.
* to BETCOIN.AG admins - you can verify the above statement by checking my email (you obviously know it) against the leaked passwords database -
https://www.avast.com/hackcheck *
Apparently some of my passwords from YEARS back were leaked online as part of some big hackers attacks and me being stupid enough to use the same email/password combination in this “crypto bookie” caused me to loose all my money there.
This was the very first time I encountered something like this. Having just lost money (and i HATE losing money) and being lectured on web security in a harsh way by a bookie support i decided that it would NEVER happen again. Being not an expert, I talked to some friends and for starters they suggested virtual machines and VPNs.
So i installed a virtual machine (my computer being almost brand new also helped this idea, of not compromising any data on it and staying clean, i still was not completely in the know on what happened to my passwords and how exactly they had been stolen), installed VPN and started continued my research about “crypto bookies” (with hope that my money stolen before can still be somehow recovered). I have to admit I didn't know back then (and even now) how exactly cryptocurrencies were functioning …
This VPN advice also came in VERY handy for me, as i like watching live video feeds of the games i bet on.
So for example, you can't watch without a good VPN (and some vpns work ok on some video streams for some countries, and some don't) live streams from:
Japan
https://basketball.mb.softbank.jp/Uruguay
https://tv.vera.com.uy/canal/6001Colombia
https://www.winsportsonline.com/liveAnd many more
Go ahead, click on those from your home country’s IP. You will get an error or a message that only local users can use it.
You cant believe how frequently the providers geolock the video streams.
Even Facebook does it. For example, i wanted to watch the match Buducnost - Brescia in EuroCup basketball on september 29th (and i THINK i had a bet on this game in betcoin.ag also, but i am not sure).
Try opening this video from your home country IP
https://www.facebook.com/124541200938889/videos/3097801983662216You get “This Content Isn't Available Right Now” error message. Now try changing your IP to Italy. You get the video of the game playing
So all in all my choice for VPN was a perfect solution for me, as i could finally be watching many many games (after subscribing to some foreign live stream providers and paying for access) that were unavailable for me before.
I also felt much more secure now as my friend assured me that virtual machines and VPNs were a very good way to protect yourself and making sure losing money to some hackers would never happen again.
So i proceeded with this set up and was exploring bitcointalk more (even with a faint hope to get that stolen money back), when i came up on a thread about a rating of BTC bookies.
After checking out some of the BEST RATED bookies (i mainly bet wild leagues in wild countries, so not all bookies offer those), i finally decided to open account in BetCoin.ag
My BetCoin.ag user is
This was I think at the end of July.
However the first deposit I made to this bookie was on August 10th. It was a small deposit of 0.00523129 BTC. I dont usually have BTC available (as i was not really into this thing that time for sure), so when i came across some, i decided to try.
I dont remember what happened, i probably lost it all the same day. Or some days later, but my records show that the next deposit was September 17th - 0.10+ BTC. That one i lost also, and the next came already in October.
Overall here is the table of all my deposits to BetCoin.ag (as far i can see from the email confirmations i got):
Aug-10 0.005231
Sep-17 0.105774
Oct-1 0.028727
Oct-2 0.090000
Oct-12 0.105000
Oct-12 0.430324
Oct-12 0.000005
Oct-12 0.031000
Oct-15 0.544224
Oct-18 0.056000 (this was made with 659 USDT, so the BTC equivalent is approximate)
Oct-20 0.200000
Oct-20 0.220171
Since then I made ONLY ONE WITHDRAWAL of 0.1 BTC on October 19th (2 days later they closed my account).
So total deposited about 1.8 BTC and total withdrawn about 0.1 BTC
So total lost on the account about 1.7 BTC
Generally, as you can see from deposits LOL, the month of October (and September also actually) was a very bad month for me in terms of betting. I always ended up loosing.
So after my small withdrawal of 0.1 BTC on October 19th, the next day i lost all the money in the account. Most money i lost on Vietnam Basketball game Hochiminh City Wings - Danang Dragons on Oct. 20th. I was really confident in that game but ended up loosing i think around 0.4 - 0.5 BTC (don't remember exactly). I also tipped BIG that game on my Blogabet (
https://jj1ba0.blogabet.com/pick/32501804/hochiminh-city-wings-vs-danang-dragons).
There were other bets that i took that day of course (i take many many bets every day), some won, but mostly lost.
The balance became 0 (or close to it) and after that i made these last deposits of 0.2 and 0.22 BTC the same day.
Next day was October 21st
I took many many bets in pre match betting, maybe some bets live also. Generally i tend to take many many bets, some small, some big, i really cant remember the small single bets that day. These bets are from different sports also, mostly basketball, but many footballs, handballs, volleyballs, hockeys ALSO. You can check my statistics on Blogabet and see the different sports i tend to bet.
Most of the bets that day were accumulator (combo) type bets. Most of them consisted of 3, 4, 5 and some even 6 (i think) matches.
The matches were from Japan basketball, EuroCup basketball, some Turkey football and others.
I think ALL the bets in those combos won and at the time, when my account was locked, some bets were already settled, some had some games remaining, but the balance already was 0.7 BTC (700 tokens, i have screenshots of that) and with some big combos still pending (later the last matches won). So with those big combo bets won i dont know what the balance was (because i would no longer be able to login to the account), but i assume at least 800 tokens but close to 1000 i THINK.
Funny enough, one of the last games pending was Buducnost - Ulm basketball game in EuroCup - REMEMBER this game, it will come into play later in my story
So once again, i want to mention, that the won bets on this “last day” were the big multi game accumulators consisting MOSTLY of Japan and EuroCup basketball (these games are available for betting in Pinnacle for example for 1500+ euros maxbets per click, so these are considered BIG LEAGUES).
So, later this day i was able to login to the account anymore and was told by the livechat support to email
contact@betcoin.agFrom those guys i got this:
Hello, your account was permanently closed per our policies regarding
fraud and multi-accounting, plus playing from a banned region.
https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoinag-terms-service
Do not create any additional accounts at Betcoin.ag or any other site
associated with Global Limited Holding EOOD (“GLH”) or Coing Gaming
Network (CGN) or they will be closed and funds seized, including the
deposit.To which i replied:
I have used ONLY one account
what about my money i have in my account now 0.7 BTC plus pending bets
? you will send all the balance after the bets are settled?
And their FINAL email wasL
We have considerable evidence that fraud was committed. If you would
like to seek 3rd party mediation, we will be happy to share the evidence
with the mediator.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/
Will will not respond further.That is the last time i heard from them …
Also want to reiterate that i made many many bets with them (mostly loosing), in this time i have accumulated 903/1000 status points needed for next rewards level (real number is much bigger here, coz i only recorded 903 way before many last bets were settled).
Judging from the screenshots i have (the affiliate link and the url address),
my user ID was 294961
I want to state, one more time, officially, that i DENY ALL the accusations made by BetCoin.ag security:
I have NEVER committed ANY fraud while betting in BetCoin.AG
I have ONLY used one single personal account while betting in BetCoin.AG and i dont have any more accounts on this platform.
I am a EU citizen and my country IS NOT on the list of prohibited countries in the terms and conditions of BetCoin.AG found on
https://www.betcoin.ag/node/3549If this goes public, I ask BetCoin.AG support not to disclose my exact EU citizenship (just to acknowledge it when I verify it with all the needed documents), due to the fact that my profile Jimin Jibao being is very popular on Blogabet platform and everybody want to know where i am from. I want to keep my anonymity there. So i ask you not to mention it publicly after you confirm it. Thanks.
Unfortunately this is not a complete story yet.
As i said, i am part of the Blogabet betting community (with hundreds of thousand people, and my personal 10000+ followers), there i have many people i discuss bets with.
About 2 weeks ago i have recommended the BetCoin.AG platform to my fellow blogabet user, a citizen of Montenegro.
This person’s opinion i trust in basketball, and actually he has recommended to me a couple of times a good bet on EuroCup basketball on his HOMETOWN team Buducnost Voli Podgorica. Based on his recommendation i have taken bets on this team in my BetCoin.AG account also (he also recommended a smaller bet on Unicaja in the same tournament, they play in the same group actually, so he knows them good). The bets on this team Buducnost and a little on Unicaja i took only in big combos and its the only time i bet on this tournament even. I usually bet on “more exotic” countries, like Uruguay, Japan, Mexico, Korea, Vietnam, etc.
On october 19th, my friend tells me that he finally opened an account in BetCoin.AG (user id 296772 judging from screenshots, username KillyPG. As he is even a bigger newbie in crypto than me, and i owed him money, he asked me if i could help him with deposit of BTC to this bookie. I did, and sent 0.1 BTC for deposit.
So from that day, October 19th he also started to bet in BetCoin.AG.
Yes, we communicate with him on bets.
Yes, he follows almost all my bets, because i have the best ever statistics on Blogabet
Yes, i respect his opinion on basketball, especially on his HOMETOWN team Buducnost and other teams they play against
NATURALLY, we may have SOME of the same bets in our betting accounts in BetCoin.AG
I CAN NOT remember all the days of course (as you can see me and this guy were members of this bookie at the same time only for 3 days), but i can clearly remember the last day.
I took many big basketball combos with many many games, and he recommended his hometown Buducnost and Unicaja (from same group) bet to me. I have recommended Tokyo Alvark from Japan basketball (i had it in ALL combos i think).
So now talking to him, we realize that that day we both had combos in which Buducnost, Unicaja, Tokyo bets were the same. I REALLY DONT SEE A PROBLEM in that.
We probably also had other same bets that day because YES we are from the same community where we discuss bets. If one of us finds a good or super bet, we SHARE and each try to bet it.
IT IS NORMAL and it is done by everybody. That is a point of betting and tipster communities.
But, as you may have guessed correctly, later that day his account was blocked also.
After not replying for long time, he finally got the same generic reply:
Hello, your account was permanently closed per our policies regarding
fraud and multi-accounting, plus playing from a banned region.
https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoinag-terms-service
Do not create any additional accounts at Betcoin.ag or any other site
associated with Global Limited Holding EOOD (“GLH”) or Coing Gaming
Network (CGN) or they will be closed and funds seized, including the
deposit.After these for the past 4 days, they have not replied anything else to him, even though his balance was around 0.4 - 0.6 BTC (lots of unsettled bets also, he doesn't know the exact balance)
He then reached out to me, asking what the hell could have happened, as i “advertised” BetCoin.Ag as a trustful and very highly rated bookie. One of the arguments I used, when recommending BetCoin.AG to him, was that there is always an excellent bitcointalk community that can help to solve any injustice the bookies decide to do.
As i am a more public character than he is (the brand Jimin Jibao is very much known among punters around the world), and as it was my recommendation, he asked me to follow up on this case here.
Obviously the BetCoin.AG security team somehow wants to connect our accounts, but it is definitely a HOAX.
Officially, my friend, username KillyPG, user id 296772, denies ALL THE ACCUSATIONS from the BetCoin.AG team and states:
He never committed any fraud while betting on BetCoin.AG platform
Never has he used any other account than username KillyPG, user id 296772
He is citizen of Montenegro (allowed by terms and conditions) and has always used his mobile phone registered on Montenegrin 4G network to bet on BetCoin.AG website
I am very sorry for this long tirade my friends, but i feel it is much better to lay our ALL THE FACTS right away, so a suitable solution can be found.
Me (user id 294961) and username KillyPG (user id 296772) also feel that it is better to create one thread about this case, than two separate one, because it looks like BetCoin.AG security teams wants to connect these cases.
Now we have laid out all the facts, and it is clearly can be seen that some kind of mistake has happened (probably some automatic block triggers) and after we provide all the required documentation this matter can be of course resolved.
We also want to thank the BitCoinTalk community for an opportunity for bettors to be HELPED in situations like these.
Thank you all again, and SORRY for long long text.