[SCAM] BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC

[RichGang]

the mediator betcoin is talking about is a trick. they know sbr will never respond to that email or even if they will, it will take months, buy then the player must have forgotten about it.
this is a smart scam

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[Hhampuz]

the mediator betcoin is talking about is a trick. they know sbr will never respond to that email or even if they will, it will take months, buy then the player must have forgotten about it.
this is a smart scam

I love it when idiots are able to point out what's smart and what's not. Good for you bud, keep it up!

[nullius]

the mediator betcoin is talking about is a trick. they know sbr will never respond to that email or even if they will, it will take months, buy then the player must have forgotten about it.
this is a smart scam

Who is sufficiently rich to forget about an alleged amount of “around 1 BTC”?  You, maybe? 

[BTCGOLD]

In my opinion it is not in itself a strange idea to engage a mediator. Then in a fair way; that is to say, then the player also has the right to see all the evidence here. It's his own account, so he has the right for this.
The reason they provide now that they do not want to give the information because they are afraid he will cheat again is not a common and valuable argument.
If he did something wrong, and you can proof this, then it is easily to close the case and then Betcoin is absolutely in his right.

[Hhampuz]

In my opinion it is not in itself a strange idea to engage a mediator. Then in a fair way; that is to say, then the player also has the right to see all the evidence here. It's his own account, so he has the right for this.
The reason they provide now that they do not want to give the information because they are afraid he will cheat again is not a common and valuable argument.
If he did something wrong, and you can proof this, then it is easily to close the case and then Betcoin is absolutely in his right.

There is no point in doing this, are you even reading what you are writing before you hit "Post"? I mean honestly, I know most of you have a grudge against gambling sites and that's the only reason you are posting here but try and apply some logic and think before you post.

[zikzik]

In my opinion it is not in itself a strange idea to engage a mediator. Then in a fair way; that is to say, then the player also has the right to see all the evidence here. It's his own account, so he has the right for this.
The reason they provide now that they do not want to give the information because they are afraid he will cheat again is not a common and valuable argument.
If he did something wrong, and you can proof this, then it is easily to close the case and then Betcoin is absolutely in his right.

There is no point in doing this, are you even reading what you are writing before you hit "Post"? I mean honestly, I know most of you have a grudge against gambling sites and that's the only reason you are posting here but try and apply some logic and think before you post.

There is no point in proving that i did something wrong?

Man... they have my bitcoin, they have the bitcoin of the other guy, they made accusations, they took the bitcoin... and all this without ANY PROOF

[Hhampuz]

There is no point in proving that i did something wrong?

Man... they have my bitcoin, they have the bitcoin of the other guy, they made accusations, they took the bitcoin... and all this without ANY PROOF

As has been previously mentioned in this thread all you have to do is let the mediator sort this out and if you have done nothing wrong they will rule in your favor and Betcoin has vowed to send you all the BTC you feel you are owed. Why is that so hard? Why are you insisting that they post it all in this thread? What good will come of that? They believe that you have cheated them, posting the proof in this thread will change nothing.. Clearly you must understand this?

[nullius]

I think it’s clear that both parties to this dispute can agree:  A prompt disposition of the mediation request would be in everybody’s best interest.

We have reached out to SBR to see if they will be taking this case and also suggested several other routes the player can take to receive mediation. Thank you.

I have filed a claim 4 days ago and apart from an automated response acknowledgement of the claim recipience, i  have not heard a word from them ...

inb4 Hhampuz pre-empting me while I was obtaining the quotes from yesterday.

[BitcoinAccepted]

There is no point in proving that i did something wrong?

Man... they have my bitcoin, they have the bitcoin of the other guy, they made accusations, they took the bitcoin... and all this without ANY PROOF

As has been previously mentioned in this thread all you have to do is let the mediator sort this out and if you have done nothing wrong they will rule in your favor and Betcoin has vowed to send you all the BTC you feel you are owed. Why is that so hard? Why are you insisting that they post it all in this thread? What good will come of that? They believe that you have cheated them, posting the proof in this thread will change nothing.. Clearly you must understand this?

I think it is especially difficult to confirm that it is a mediator and not someone from an official organization. So they could be biased in this case.

Besides, what's wrong with providing evidence if you accuse someone of cheating? Is the most normal thing in the world.

This has nothing to do with hating, but it seems like you're the one who doesn't read or understand the situation, Hhampuz

They don't have to post the proof in this thread at all, but they can also email it privately to the player. They don't and that's a bad thing.

[BTCGOLD]

In my opinion it is not in itself a strange idea to engage a mediator. Then in a fair way; that is to say, then the player also has the right to see all the evidence here. It's his own account, so he has the right for this.
The reason they provide now that they do not want to give the information because they are afraid he will cheat again is not a common and valuable argument.
If he did something wrong, and you can proof this, then it is easily to close the case and then Betcoin is absolutely in his right.

There is no point in doing this, are you even reading what you are writing before you hit "Post"? I mean honestly, I know most of you have a grudge against gambling sites and that's the only reason you are posting here but try and apply some logic and think before you post.

I already wondered why you are reacting so aggressively and defending Betcoin, but since you are their campaign leader, that explains a lot.
You are not objective and are purely subjective to defend Betcoin. You run many campaigns, and that is the reason why you always defend your Casinos.

[safari88]

There is no point in proving that i did something wrong?

Man... they have my bitcoin, they have the bitcoin of the other guy, they made accusations, they took the bitcoin... and all this without ANY PROOF

As has been previously mentioned in this thread all you have to do is let the mediator sort this out and if you have done nothing wrong they will rule in your favor and Betcoin has vowed to send you all the BTC you feel you are owed. Why is that so hard? Why are you insisting that they post it all in this thread? What good will come of that? They believe that you have cheated them, posting the proof in this thread will change nothing.. Clearly you must understand this?

posting in this thread will change nothing indeed I agree other people do not have to know the reasons what is going on but the user here should know what he did and now he says he is innocent and betcoin claims he is guilty so betcoin can send the evidence or information to the player
if i get caught by the cops then they will also tell me what i did wrong and give me an explanation before they put me in jail

[zikzik]

posting in this thread will change nothing indeed I agree other people do not have to know the reasons what is going on but the user here should know what he did and now he says he is innocent and betcoin claims he is guilty so betcoin can send the evidence or information to the player
if i get caught by the cops then they will also tell me what i did wrong and give me an explanation before they put me in jail

they even refuse to tell me the exact balance of my account at the time of closing ...

this really tells about their TRUE intentions ...

[codegnome]

posting in this thread will change nothing indeed I agree other people do not have to know the reasons what is going on but the user here should know what he did and now he says he is innocent and betcoin claims he is guilty so betcoin can send the evidence or information to the player
if i get caught by the cops then they will also tell me what i did wrong and give me an explanation before they put me in jail

they even refuse to tell me the exact balance of my account at the time of closing ...

this really tells about their TRUE intentions ...

I'm not saying they should agree with the money, but the least they can do is give you information. And that doesn't have to be shared here on the forum at all.
They are not obliged to do so. I find it really bizarre how Betcoin.AG deals with this situation. I've really never read this that a player is accused and then no evidence is presented at all.
I would just ignore Hhamphuz's opinion, because he is their campaign manager and will never fail them. His message can not be taken to serious. There are plenty of people who agree with you.
Only we can do little for you, the only thing you can do is keep posting and managing so that they hopefully resolve this with you.

[safari88]

what about other casinos or betting sites what do they think about this? then its easier to compare what the most reliable solution will be

[Hhampuz]

I already wondered why you are reacting so aggressively and defending Betcoin, but since you are their campaign leader, that explains a lot.
You are not objective and are purely subjective to defend Betcoin. You run many campaigns, and that is the reason why you always defend your Casinos.

I was already wondering why you were posting at all in this thread.. then I saw that you were promoting Betnomi - a competing casino. You are not objective at all, you are purely subjective to defame Betcoin while bringing your own employer up in the ranks. Shame on you.

posting in this thread will change nothing indeed I agree other people do not have to know the reasons what is going on but the user here should know what he did and now he says he is innocent and betcoin claims he is guilty so betcoin can send the evidence or information to the player
if i get caught by the cops then they will also tell me what i did wrong and give me an explanation before they put me in jail

Not at all, actually not at all. If they believe that the user has 100% done them wrong while the user in this case is claiming innocence and on top of that threatening to use his influence to make sure this never goes away and betcoin has to pay for it in the end one way or another, what's the point? Do you think if Betcoin sends the evidence to this user that:
A) He is going to look it at and say - Oh yeah you are right, I actually did commit fraud and made it so that you lost a bunch of BTC. Sorry, I'll remove the thread now.
B) He is going to look at it and say - I see nothing wrong with this, let me just go and post this everywhere now so that everyone is aware of your tools and ways to find and eliminate abusive accounts.

There is no point in doing it from Betcoins side of things. they have offered to send all evidence to a 3rd party who will either support or dismiss the evidence and they vow to pay the user if the mediator will dismiss it.

On a separate note I find it baffling that so many of you have such a lack of faith in neutral 3rd party mediators. It is absolutely beyond me, with this lack of trust, why you'd ever set your foot inside a crypto gambling site.

[nullius]

I already wondered why you are reacting so aggressively and defending Betcoin, but since you are their campaign leader, that explains a lot.

I would just ignore Hhamphuz's opinion, because he is their campaign manager and will never fail them. His message can not be taken to serious. There are plenty of people who agree with you.

I find it curious that you are leaping to dismiss Hhampuz ad hominem, when at least on this page, besides blowing off RichGang and BTCGOLD, his only substantive argument what I also said:  Let’s see what the neutral third-party mediator says.

(I also find it curious that you both (BTCGOLD, codegnome) have credible-looking trust-page accusations of defending scams—though I can’t be bothered to look further now; maybe later.)

I have no financial interest in anyone here.  And I am not here because of Hhampuz, either; this thread came to my attention due to someone else.  I just think that it makes sense to see what a neutral third-party mediator says after reviewing the evidence.  None of the people flame-warring here has suggested any reason to do otherwise.  And although I know that an OP in a non-self-moderated thread cannot necessarily control the behaviour of others, it looks pretty bad when a bunch of accounts make a mud-slinging brigade with rapid-fire repeats of stuff that has already been said.

Does everybody who is following this thread really need to wade through so many pointless posts, whilst awaiting further developments?  You know, trying to attract attention that way can backfire.

[BTCGOLD]

I seriously wonder whether you understand how legislation and society work. Just like in criminal law, every suspect has rights. And those rights therefore also consist of proof.
Keep Betnomi out, that has nothing to do with this. If I have committed an offense and am to be convicted for it, I will ALWAYS see all the charges they have against me. Then it is not said of no you will not see any evidence that only goes to an intermediate party and that decides. Yes, the intermediate party can indeed decide, but always by notifying the suspect and also by making known all the burden of proof that lies there. That's the whole point this is about. It's not about me saying Betcoin is right, it's about refusing to cooperate in any way and that shouldn't be possible. They do not release any information to the user, while it is his own account.

[zikzik]

A) He is going to look it at and say - Oh yeah you are right, I actually did commit fraud and made it so that you lost a bunch of BTC. Sorry, I'll remove the thread now.

Excuse me. Why are you doing this?

I have many times stated (and betcoin.ag confirmed my deposit/withdrawal history) that i ACTUALLY LOST money while betting with them.

Deposited 1.8 btc, withdrawn 0.1 btc, current balance ABOUT 1 btc

EVEN if they add the account of that other person (which i have absolutely no relation to)
deposited 0.1 btc, withdrawn 0, current balance about 0.5 btc i think he said ...

SO PLEASE, stop telling wrong information. Betcoin.ag HAVE NOT LOST ANY MONEY from my betting (EVEN if they UNJUSTLY connect the account of that other guy to me)

you can say anything you like about me - its your right. But PLEASE dont post wrong information.

[BitcoinAccepted]

At the moment, Betcoin is getting a bad name and its reputation is being damaged. What could be easier than publishing the evidence? You do not have to enter specific IP addresses or personal details.

They can tell the user to email the evidence to them and ask them if they are okay with posting it on the forum due to privacy rights. And maybe he will post that on his own.

Then the damage is still manageable and the image is polished. If Betcoin is really convinced that the user has committed fraud, then I really don't understand why they don't come up with evidence.

 Little effort. That story about third party ... well, I don't really know what to think about it.

If you let a lawyer and judge look at it now, it makes sense. But SBR as an assessor? No sorry, that's too easy. Especially if the user does not receive any information.

[zikzik]

They can tell the user to email the evidence to them and ask them if they are okay with posting it on the forum due to privacy rights. And maybe he will post that on his own.

No need for that. I have repeatedly asked (and authorized) betcoin.ag to show ANY proof in this thread. They just refuse ...

They also refuse even to tell me the exact balance of my account, when they closed it.

Now lets assume the mediator finds me not guilty, now betcoin.ag has to give me my Bitcoin back.

But they didnt confirm the exact amount anywhere, so they can give me just any number, and it doesnt have to be the real one... because they just refuse to tell me that number beforehand !!!