[SCAM] BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC

[zikzik]

I understand your point, I'm a fellow gambler myself, if the casino's are not replying then probably the next course of action is to go for a mediation and see how it goes.

So probably after the mediation, if it's in your favour then its' worth the wait isn't it?

I have of course submitted the SBR claim, even though the betcoin.ag representative did everything to delay it, by not releasing the information required to submit that claim.

I am waiting. I even waited today not to put up the scam page about betcoin.ag on my website. I even refrained from actively pushing this story to my 10+ thousand of subscribers. I am waiting.

What i would really love to see... is some respect. I am not convicted yet. I didnt murder anybody and i didnt made any damage to them. Actually for now, i made them a nice profit - deposited 1.8 BTC, while withdrawing only 0.1 BTC

but YET AGAIN ... i am treated like a convicted felon on a death row here

[Hhampuz]

Please, you have far more people in this thread calling betcoin bad than the opposite, evident hy the fact my opinion and input is disregarded as bias.

And just to clarify, once more, I said that it was an extreme example to prove the point. I never called you a murderer, an example means that you take something different from the current situation to prove a point.

I'll be waiting for the results from the mediator.

[zikzik]

Please, you have far more people in this thread calling betcoin bad than the opposite, evident hy the fact my opinion and input is disregarded as bias.

And just to clarify, once more, I said that it was an extreme example to prove the point. I never called you a murderer, an example means that you take something different from the current situation to prove a point.

I'll be waiting for the results from the mediator.

My fault. Let me rephrase my question.

And please, please answer it.

What exactly did i abuse in this situation?

[Hhampuz]

My fault. Let me rephrase my question.

And please, please answer it.

What exactly did i abuse in this situation?

I've already answered it. Betcoin claims that you've abused their site. I don't know the details on their behalf or on your behalf, which is why I'll be waiting for what the mediator will say since betcoin said they would share all information with them.

You are asking me to blindly believe you when you claim to not have abused their site.

[zikzik]

My fault. Let me rephrase my question.

And please, please answer it.

What exactly did i abuse in this situation?

I've already answered it. Betcoin claims that you've abused their site. I don't know the details on their behalf or on your behalf, which is why I'll be waiting for what the mediator will say since betcoin said they would share all information with them.

You are asking me to blindly believe you when you claim to not have abused their site.

I mean to actually abuse, you have to have some benefit from it, correct?

But all the benefit is theirs - the 1.7 BTC from my pocket

[Hhampuz]

I mean to actually abuse, you have to have some benefit from it, correct?

But all the benefit is theirs - the 1.7 BTC from my pocket

Not true at all. If they have undeniable proof that you have abused their site under several accounts and a long time which has resulted in you either taking out a lot of money or made them lose a lot of money it would change everything.

I don't know the story, you would obviously never admit to any wrongdoing so this discussion is pointless and this is my last reply.

I'll be looking forward to what the mediator will rule and what information will be made public.

[zikzik]

I mean to actually abuse, you have to have some benefit from it, correct?

But all the benefit is theirs - the 1.7 BTC from my pocket

I don't know the story, you would obviously never admit to any wrongdoing so this discussion is pointless and this is my last reply.

I'll be looking forward to what the mediator will rule and what information will be made public.

Not true. I DID admit breaking their rules actually. It is in their terms and conditions, that you cant use VPN to access their website. I did admit that in the very beginning. Too bad you also accuse me of things, that are not true.

As for the rest. The other closed account, they are lying is mine was less than a week old.

So there is NO ABUSE here. Even if they combine the two accounts together (which is just ridiculous, as we are two different people in two different countries), combine all the balances, all the deposits, pay everything out, THEY STILL MAKE PROFIT.

Where is the abuse there?

[zikzik]

If they have undeniable proof that you have abused their site under several accounts and a long time which has resulted in you either taking out a lot of money or made them lose a lot of money it would change everything.

This will never never happen, unless they forge something up.

I think even the betcoin.ag representative will tell you that THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

If you ask him direct here, he will answer you. He will not answer me, obviously.

[Yogee]

......Can't he also play with multiple accounts and lose his money? And what do you do then?

It is clearly stated in Betcoin's TOS that only one account per player is allowed. Casinos may still refund the player's deposit [less service charges] at their sole discretion and out of goodwill but I don't know a case where losses are returned after violation of the terms. Gamblers are expected to read it in the first place so the risk is on their part.  

[Betcoin.AG]

A couple quick points of clarification...

We certainly did not delay his reporting the the mediator. We asked him to file a claim the first day this occurred. A week, and many forum posts later, he finally claimed that he filed the report. He says he does not know the amount, but there is an amount in the title of this thread. We told him we would provide all wager and balance details to the mediator, but "around 1 BTC" is certainly enough to get things started.

We still don't even know if the claim was filed, as we have not heard back from SBR. If it was, we will reply to them immediately with our proofs. In case "they don't reply", we welcome this player to file third party mediation with any other independent review panel. Some others that we are aware of are Casino.Guru and ThePogg.com. But he is welcome to pick his own, as long as they are legitimate. We will respond to 100 of these, if necessary, because the proof is so substantial that there is 0 chance we will lose.

Additionally, he says we only replied to one of the other account's emails. In the case of obvious multi-accounting, we don't feel a need to reply to every account individually. What he failed to mention, however is that when we did reply to the other player's email with what was posted:
"Hello, your account was permanently closed per our policies regarding fraud and multi-accounting..."

The other player's response was:
"Understand... so when i can expect withdraw?"

Not, "I deny these accusations"
But "Understand."

Is this alone enough to prove multi-accounting? Of course not.

More to come..

[RichGang]

with what was posted:
"Hello, your account was permanently closed per our policies regarding fraud and multi-accounting...

THIS IS A DUMB REASON TO STEAL A PLAYERS 1BTC

[RichGang]

I

Just want to ask you 1 Question, if the user has used VPN , why you don't permaban him while he made first deposit? (On Aug 10)

Overall here is the table of all my deposits to BetCoin.ag (as far i can see from the email confirmations i got):

Aug-10 0.005231  
Sep-17 0.105774  
Oct-1 0.028727  
Oct-2 0.090000  
Oct-12 0.105000  
Oct-12 0.430324  
Oct-12 0.000005  
Oct-12 0.031000  
Oct-15 0.544224  
Oct-18 0.056000 (this was made with 659 USDT, so the BTC equivalent is approximate)
Oct-20 0.200000  
Oct-20 0.220171  

Can you confirm first whatever OP said is correct or not about their deposit above?

this is exactly what i wanted to ask. i am reading what op wrote now though. i will post my full review about this

[zikzik]

Not, "I deny these accusations"
But "Understand."

Yes, all your proofs are like this.
circumstantial as they say in court

You deliberately were delaying giving me the full and correct information.

I can start a thread with an approximate number, but filling a complaint i would much rather give an exact number, which you STILL failed to provide. What are you afraid of, that you dont want to specify exactly the balance of my account?

You are the scammers here and its becoming more and more obvious to everybody.
As i said, i filed the claim 3 days ago, after stupidly waiting for your reply.

Looks like (as it looks like SBR doesnt care either) you will keep my money (and maybe the money of the person in Montenegro, although you have absolutely no right to do that), BUT REST ASSURED (and please mark my words here), many many thousands of people will know how unfair you treat your clients (both winning and loosing)

[zikzik]

we don't feel a need to reply to every account individually

its all about how you feel, isnt it?

ITS A DIFFERENT PERSON IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY, its your client, you took money from him. You are obliged to answer his questions about his money and his account

You act like SCAMMERS, and scammers you are.
Lets see what comes out of this ... lets see

[RichGang]

i have read page after page word to word. and it is obvious betcoin is actually trying to scam this guy. first you are not suppose to allow a player you do not want to play deposit. once he deposits, u should either ban his account ior refund his cash with a message of dont come back.
you allowed him deposit several times and huge amounts and u where happy when he was busting it all. immediately he won something tangible u came up with these lame and dumb accusations.
if you suspect a player location is against your rules, u should ask him for his id to confirm.
from what your behavior u are not even ready to verify if he is from a banned country. u are just moving on with assumptions.
by law, if a player plays from a banned country, u are suppose to return the cash to the players country govt. not to take it for clubbing.
i also noticed that he asked you for the info he needs to file the complain and u dont want to give him that info.
now tell me, how is he expected to file a complain without the full info. i will post more about this but let me stop here for now. i will make sure  i alert all the gambling community of this so we see how this ends.
i have experienced this before. busted a tone and they site said nothing, immediately i won big , they said i was cheating. do u guy expect to be winning always?
i checked ur profile and saw that you have had similar issues like this before. this makes me believe that this is done on purpose.
Hhampuz sounds like someone paid to trash talk here. i will be expecting to see more ass lickers like hm on this thread.
betcoin or what ever your site name is, pay the guy his money. he is not even winning. i am thinking he won big in the bets u cancelled that is why u cancelled and banned him.

[boldar]

A couple quick points of clarification...

We certainly did not delay his reporting the the mediator. We asked him to file a claim the first day this occurred. A week, and many forum posts later, he finally claimed that he filed the report. He says he does not know the amount, but there is an amount in the title of this thread. We told him we would provide all wager and balance details to the mediator, but "around 1 BTC" is certainly enough to get things started.

We still don't even know if the claim was filed, as we have not heard back from SBR. If it was, we will reply to them immediately with our proofs. In case "they don't reply", we welcome this player to file third party mediation with any other independent review panel. Some others that we are aware of are Casino.Guru and ThePogg.com. But he is welcome to pick his own, as long as they are legitimate. We will respond to 100 of these, if necessary, because the proof is so substantial that there is 0 chance we will lose.

Additionally, he says we only replied to one of the other account's emails. In the case of obvious multi-accounting, we don't feel a need to reply to every account individually. What he failed to mention, however is that when we did reply to the other player's email with what was posted:
"Hello, your account was permanently closed per our policies regarding fraud and multi-accounting..."

The other player's response was:
"Understand... so when i can expect withdraw?"

Not, "I deny these accusations"
But "Understand."

Is this alone enough to prove multi-accounting? Of course not.

More to come..

This is poor and consensually immoral reasoning to confiscate such a large balance from one of your users. The nit picky stuff is mostly redundant - you have no good reason to continue to refrain from returning the word balance. If you continue to do so, I would at least recommend a proper justification be given.

[Hhampuz]

How nice to see all of the negative trust/recently woken up accounts joining in here. Definitely no abuse going on, OP is a saint.

[zikzik]

How nice to see all of the negative trust/recently woken up accounts joining in here. Definitely no abuse going on, OP is a saint.

lol, my friend. I, from the very beginning, stated that i feel being scammed here and i will use all the resources i have (the website, the 10+ thousand subscribers) to fight this injustice.

Yes i have posted links to this discussion in a couple of Telegrams groups that i have, but it is really just a beginning.

I will for sure try to my to notify my subscribers and general betting community about the shady practices this betcoin.ag likes.

As i said before, my name is certainly worth more right now in the betting/tipster communities, then betcoin.ag

So lets see who wins, who looses from this  

[RichGang]

How nice to see all of the negative trust/recently woken up accounts joining in here. Definitely no abuse going on, OP is a saint.

you must be referring to me. the negatives u saw where from NLNico who happens to be dean aka betking support aka scammer. go check threads of how he scammed people of millions of dollars. i can bet you where also one of those licking his ass when he was here scamming people and i was exposing him.
the way u have been following this thread and the way you have been sounding. i can bet my balls that you are either paid to type trash or you are betcoin alt.
it is only a paid user or an alt that will support a site that refuses to disclose the detail needed to file a claim.
when it comes to identity, all a site needs to do is ask for kyc. u supporting this rubbish they are doing only tells me u are paid or an alt.

[boldar]

How nice to see all of the negative trust/recently woken up accounts joining in here. Definitely no abuse going on, OP is a saint.

Define abuse. Negative trust is simply the opinion of a "trusted" member towards my account - it is not indicative of an abusive member in any way shape or form. Sarcastically calling OP a saint because some of the members, who just happen to have negative trust, and who also, by chance, happen to have made an argument that defends the OP is in my opinion an indication of some incredibly vapid and feeble analytical abilities.