Casino workers forced into unpaid leave

[Fatunad]

We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.

No, we can blame. First of all, they make tons of money and salary isn't that high in every company, in overall proportion of income / salary is very high and illogical. And another example that I can tell you is that Evolution Gaming left up to 1500 worker without job, just in one day. Is this fair? They are really making tons of money and pay tiny amount of money to their workers (still good in their country but...) and instead of paying some money to their employees on covid situation that was worse for everyone, they decided to just ignore them (forget lawsuit, they would win because of great lawyers and bad country).

Its indeed a tiny proportion but do you consider on how many employees that you would need to support on? It might be just good for first or second aide but
talking on supporting them for the rest of the pandemic situation? Then it does sound on not to be that appealing at all because no business will survive if they
would able to do so.They did really make tons of money but it isnt really that responsibility that they would support them for the rest of their lives.
For temporal basis then it would be good if they do show up some concern but if not then theres nothing you can do.

You got the point, it is not the employers or the casinos responsibility to support their workers until the end of this pandemic. This company probably given the basic support needed, but they need to do things as cost cutting to avoid losing the company. If the workers will understand this, they should know that this is only for the sake of the company, so that they still have a job to come back once this pandemic is over.

Will be good if past employers would consider their employees to get them back once they had able to recover but i doubt that they would do such thing but for an owner
who do really think of his own past workers and the contribution that they made then most likely they would really be ending up such situation or option but for now
theres no other thing to be done but to lay off those works for the sake of companies survival.They should at least understand on why such decisions had been made,
if this pandemic didnt exist then this thing wont really happen.

[iTradeChips]

We call that the "no work, no pay" policy. Well I am not sure why it is being discussed now during the pandemic times, when this is common place in many areas before the pandemic. Sure we can pity those who cannot work because they were being asked to take a leave of absence. Where I come from, some of them just move on and apply to other jobs that will accept them. We call it "moving on" and I see this as a lack of a solid labor laws in the area. One just have to move on. If he or she is a migrant worker then they could go to their respective countries and ask for government assistance.

[LogitechMouse]

You worked long in the casino or you worked for a short amount of time, it doesn't matter as of this moment so what is the weird thing about that?? What do you expect?? Those who worked for them for a longer time will stay and those who worked shorter will leave?

We saw already the effect of the virus in all of the industries and casinos are one of the most hit ones since there are no gamblers who are willing to gamble therefore their revenues go down.

Feel sad for the employees but if they just know how to manage their money properly, they will not suffer on this pandemic.

[Vishnu.Reang]

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

[bitterguy28]

Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

[iTradeChips]

Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

As mentioned many times over on this thread. The local government should have already made laws that would ensure that it would protect the workers and their families. This will ensure that the said workers will receive some sort of paid leave and those laws would also ensure they will receive adequate help in times like these. But this pandemic is unprecedented and unexpected. The laws mostly apply to normal occurences and has nothing in store for such events. We all have to play our part in creating the awareness for the workers.

[Ucy]

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

I would probably switch the casino to more rewarding and better business/casino model that can attract lots of people and be beneficial to most of them. The problem with many casinos and betting centers is that their rewards only go to very few people/customers and the owners/employees. The casinos would do really well and probably retain most of their employees when they start adding lasting value (good & affordable value) to most of customers. The bad part of their businesses should be scrapped off their businesses and the good parts should be retained and be improved. Many people will see them as essentials or necessary products/services, customers will come in large numbers and business will boom... even in difficult times.

[traderethereum]

Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

[Vaculin]

Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

There's an economic crisis in every country, when major countries are hit by crisis, the small countries are also affected even if let's say they don't have a lot of covid-19 cases, that's the reality, small countries tend to follow the status of the big countries.

Every industry is affected, even those industries which we think provide necessities of the people, they are not exempted.

[rodskee]

The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.

At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:

Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.

Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay

All of the area of business are affected so Macau is not different from all so expect their reaction like this to keep the business alive,
yeah it is hard for those who losses the job but consider the others that stays having .
for me sacrifices are indeed if we will remain then thanks if we will be kicked then find another job.

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Sadly true,they need to survive or else everything will Gone in business.

Lets understand first what is needed to do because in the end things will back to normal.

[Lanatsa]

Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

There's an economic crisis in every country, when major countries are hit by crisis, the small countries are also affected even if let's say they don't have a lot of covid-19 cases, that's the reality, small countries tend to follow the status of the big countries.

Every industry is affected, even those industries which we think provide necessities of the people, they are not exempted.

Theres no indeed exemption for this one because lots or all of the countries had been affected by this pandemic.Try to look at on those countries which are on the top of the scale
where businesses had been shut down? This will greatly affect their economy.

In result for laying off their workers for the sake of their company to survive and wait up for the entire situation to normalize.

This might takes time though but we are still hoping that everything would be over.We do need to face up the reality if it does really need for us to find another
job then we should do it.

[bhadz]

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

They will. The vaccine came out already and it has to be produced with billions of dozes. We're about to get out of the new normal and go back with the traditional normal lives again.
Casinos who were once badly affected by it will eventually come back and operations in business again. Those workers that have lost jobs or not yet paid will also be paid for sure.

[FontSeli]

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Macao is in China. There are no various native American reservations. All casinos in this city belong to private campaigns. It is difficult to condemn them for what they had fired some of their employees. Every business exists in order to bring profit to its owners.
All that remains is to hope that the pandemic will end soon and the economy will start its recovery.

[Questat]

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Macao is in China. There are no various native American reservations. All casinos in this city belong to private campaigns. It is difficult to condemn them for what they had fired some of their employees. Every business exists in order to bring profit to its owners.
All that remains is to hope that the pandemic will end soon and the economy will start its recovery.

The thing is they are not firing their employees, they are just into unpaid leave which means they are still connected with the company and they can come back when the business is needing them, but this is not really helping them at all because they are not making money when they are on leave, so they have no option but to find a job while they are still on leave from the company. For this long pandemic period, no company would be able to withstand especially in the entertainment industry like casinos.

[FontSeli]

The thing is they are not firing their employees, they are just into unpaid leave which means they are still connected with the company and they can come back when the business is needing them, but this is not really helping them at all because they are not making money when they are on leave, so they have no option but to find a job while they are still on leave from the company. For this long pandemic period, no company would be able to withstand especially in the entertainment industry like casinos.

Perhaps you understand this not as I do. In my country, when you are on unpaid leave, you have restrictions on employment with another employer. You may only do temporary work. To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer. The whole question is how long the unpaid vacation will last in the situation of this employer. Employees need to pay bills and support their families, they will not be able to stay on unpaid leave for a long time. Therefore, for me, unpaid vacation is very similar to dismissal.

[xSkylarx]

To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of. Even if they live alone or doesn't have a family yet, it's still hard to depend on their parents. What's more difficult is if they start borrowing money from others just to live.

[Yudhisthir]

It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.

[ice098]

It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.

Its true that unpaid leaves of a workers or employee didn't just happen in casino businesses but almost in kind of travel and resort or hotels and restaurant businesses too. This thing just have happened i guess in the time where pandemic starts where almost all types of business were really affected and paralyzed no guests or customers and theres no any income too so they can't provide to all of their staff the leave paid and up to now global economic still didn't made through this crisis.

[bitterguy28]

It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.

Here is an actual answer from a real businessman in which the most affected in this pandemic and i find it correct because we are only looking about what is the effect for the employee but what about the employer in which if they fail much many people will suffer.
so maybe it is better to let some leave than everyone will lose work and business.

[michellee]

To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of.

I guess that will not be a problem because we can hide that we apply for a new job in the other office from our office or company. And when we are being accepted as a new employee at the new office, we can tell our old office that we resign from our job. I think you will not be sued and you still get paid from the last month because you still work with your old office. People will not want to get unpaid leaves because they can not get their income, and that is why they search for a new job before they resign from the current office.