Bitcointalk poker series #2 hosted by Betnomi

[famososMuertos]

TrayvonKang, continues on his streak of second places ...ITM
TikTokLyfe: he doesn't bother anyone on the leaderboard and keeps his second place.
Steamtyme:  hit 10 points jump from position 7 to top 3, (congratulations) first place.
noobhere, Betwrong, webtricks and icopress, they didn't bother each other and
they simply moved one position. Fmbet:mmhh!!
CCwatcher420 "ITM".

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It's true, then first time in the BPS #2/betnomi
rak3y0urchips remains in the top10. The closing of the leaderboard is held by Iv4n with 5 points.

[arallmuus]

Seeing such a hand, you forget about mathematics, you forget about everything. The first thought that comes to you ... "what is the probability that someone has a pair of aces?"

Yeah Pocket Kings is a really strong hand until you see an Ace on the board but Its rare to run an all in preflop with KK against AA so yeah as long as there is no Ace on board then its is a great hand

Btway, it's a pity we can't see the full statistics ... I would like to know the percentage of wins by positions, I think the button's position would be the undisputed leader.

I think it would be UTG or UTG + 1, we have alot of good open bet on the early position but it is good that no such statistic exists as it might give some edge to some players to determine what to do next in case if someone open from a position with high win percentage.

High win percentage on X position actually shows that most player would be opening really wide on that position.

[mathematics_lover]

Some days ago I asked for advices about my problematic withdrawal from the Betnomi.com site, on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5317581.0 . Basically my 250eur withdrawal is locked by a whole week waiting to be confirmed ( my first two "100eur each" smaller withdrawals got no problem). Today, looking for informations about betnomi, I read of other users who have reported strange difficulties in withdrawing from there. So I got an idea about what happened in my case. Basically at this point I guess betnomi paid a low fee for my withdrawal purposely.  In this way they gave me the illusion of having my withdrawal (so I can't say nothing, they paid), they still have the guarantee money will be back to them (when the transaction will be rejected, because the fee is too small to have a confirmation), they could decide if paying me or not when they will get back the money, they keep my attention in this while(maybe they imagine I' ll deposit again there). Maybe I'm fool to think this way. However going to an other fact:  this week I also received a freebet (that I won on the predictor game). I tried to use it but I got a problem (when i placed the bet, there was an absurd internal error)so I asked to the assistance (on Monday,Tuesday,Thursday,Wednesday). Each day they said me that they sent a request to another department and that  they didn't get back an answer from the department at the moment. Sometimes they also answered they was working on my problem, but they never replied positively. So also If it's true that I am a fool and betnomi is a very fair website, maybe I will receive my withdrawal, of course each new user should know betnomi takes a long time to solve very relevant problems (withdrawal,using freebets) and meanwhile the chat assistance doesn't give relevant clarifications (they just say they don't have the answers you are lloking for).

[arallmuus]

@mathematics_lover : Hey there, not the right thread to complain about this but your best bet to solve everything would be by getting in touch with Sorsis directly through telegram

You can add @sorsis on telegram or ask for assistance through their telegram group chat https://t.me/betnomi

[betnomi]

Some days ago I asked for advices about my problematic withdrawal from the Betnomi.com site, on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5317581.0 . Basically my 250eur withdrawal is locked by a whole week waiting to be confirmed ( my first two "100eur each" smaller withdrawals got no problem). Today, looking for informations about betnomi, I read of other users who have reported strange difficulties in withdrawing from there. So I got an idea about what happened in my case. Basically at this point I guess betnomi paid a low fee for my withdrawal purposely.  In this way they gave me the illusion of having my withdrawal (so I can't say nothing, they paid), they still have the guarantee money will be back to them (when the transaction will be rejected, because the fee is too small to have a confirmation), they could decide if paying me or not when they will get back the money, they keep my attention in this while(maybe they imagine I' ll deposit again there). Maybe I'm fool to think this way. However going to an other fact:  this week I also received a freebet (that I won on the predictor game). I tried to use it but I got a problem (when i placed the bet, there was an absurd internal error)so I asked to the assistance (on Monday,Tuesday,Thursday,Wednesday). Each day they said me that they sent a request to another department and that  they didn't get back an answer from the department at the moment. Sometimes they also answered they was working on my problem, but they never replied positively. So also If it's true that I am a fool and betnomi is a very fair website, maybe I will receive my withdrawal, of course each new user should know betnomi takes a long time to solve very relevant problems (withdrawal,using freebets) and meanwhile the chat assistance doesn't give relevant clarifications (they just say they don't have the answers you are lloking for).

This is just silly and outright waste of everyone's time. You created a topic about this but, apparently, that isn't enough for you and you have to spam the poker topic with this as well.
After explaining this situation to you on multiple occasions on multiple days, we will explain again as you wish.

The endpoints used to estimate transaction fees for our wallet are based on the average fee of the last 1500 blocks of the given blockchain.
ie, we use the formula average_fees_per_byte * TX_size. This gives a pretty accurate estimate for the transaction fees at the time of the transaction.
However, we noticed, on some occasions, there are rapid swings in the transaction fees. For example, if the average fees for the last 1500 blocks are lower than the fee at the time of the transaction,
we end up paying a much lower fee, and the same way if the fees were higher previously, we need up paying higher fees. So the idea that we purposefully paid a lower fee is ridiculous.


We modified the code to extract the fees based on the fees of the pending blocks in the mempool. This we found to be more stable and accurate.

In the meantime, you can calm yourself down and wait for it to get confirmed. In the event that it fails or is dropped from the network, we will send you a new transaction with the same amount.

Thank you.

[Betwrong]

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Well, I do try to play cautiously, but in that case I decided to make an impression that I had an 8 or 5, just in case Trayvon had a better flush. But I'm pretty sure of that he hadn't any. I think with Ace or King high flush he would call. Right, @TrayvonKang? So, it was a semi bluff on my part, and most likely a bold bluff from him.(Hope to hear from TrayvonKang about what hand he actually had).

Yeah you could still have 8 or 5 but it is less likely for someone to open with 8 or 5 on that position and more likely for someone in BB position to have 8 or 5.

Idk, what about A5s or A8s? Imo, those are playable pocket cards.

Probably someone would open with A5 but Full 5s lose to Full 8s so I still think that it is a risky all in but it is all good because it works in your favour  and im sure Trayvon had nothing in that hand ( probably 4X or A high )

Yeah, hope he'll show up here telling us what he really had.

IIRC you lose to Yahoo last week with KK as well. I cant remember it, either you or Betwrong lose the flip with KK

Seeing such a hand, you forget about mathematics, you forget about everything. The first thought that comes to you ... "what is the probability that someone has a pair of aces?" ~

Actually, you don't. Mathematically, you are most likely going to win unless your opponent has AA. See this, for example(clickable):





Of course you can lose with KK to any combination, but imo no one should be afraid of going all-in with pocket Kings.

[arallmuus]

Idk, what about A5s or A8s? Imo, those are playable pocket cards.

Those definitely are a good hands to be played on your position but judging from the check check on flop and turn shows that most likely you dont have a 5 or 8. Yeah someone could have check flop check turn with a 5 but most likely not going to jam on the river but would be value betting most of the time

Yeah, hope he'll show up here telling us what he really had.

He probably had forgotten about it already because he plays alot on swc and probably some other site as well 

[johhnyUA]

Guys, I want to apologize before everyone about my failed promise to play with all of you. I wanted to do that, really, but this is some kind of bad irony: At 31th of January there was problems with Betnomi site and I couldn't register, at 7th of February i was  busy too, at 14th of February there was St.Valentine's day. Some kind of shit  

Butthurted a little because I remembered that 21th of February is Birthday of one of my friends and he already invite me to a small party. And i will be out of the game this week too.

In fact, i missed this poker series :c

Actually, you don't. Mathematically, you are most likely going to win unless your opponent has AA. See this, for example(clickable):

Small addition: this is a not fully complete table, because your chance to win depends on what hand your opponent has.

[famososMuertos]

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+1
It is always difficult to play the series, the important thing is that the intention exists and you have it, you are very kind to apologize, the best at a poker table always and outside it, courtesy and respect.

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Small addition: this is a not fully complete table, because your chance to win depends on what hand your opponent has.

Well actually those percentages represent the times those hands win against any lower pair, preflop. No matter what the opponent has, now when players show their cards e.g. "allin" the precise percentages you are talking about are obtained.

[famososMuertos]

upps! It seems that there is no tournament tomorrow 

So let's review some Poker hands from last week ... I decided to add percentages of  some Poker hands.
I have made an image with the summary of those that I have taken to show the percentage.

Details in the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFYlpFZX9fA&feature=youtu.be (*)

^{(*)JJvsAQ:With the first hand I have taken the percentages in all its phases, but then I realized that in theory I needed to include the percentage against two players plus SB and BB since the button is thrown allin after a UTG raise, so those two players could have paid, in any case JJ against three rivals leaves a percentage of 47.9%.}

[Globb0]

If you guys have no game this week why not swing by my game later.

It would be great to have you there. Might be last stream for a while

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286888.msg56402349#msg56402349

[Betwrong]

upps! It seems that there is no tournament tomorrow  

The tournament is scheduled



but zero ppl registered ... because we don't have passwords or ?  

[arallmuus]

but zero ppl registered ... because we don't have passwords or ?  

Password was provided in the telegram groupchat but I've encountered the same error we had in the 2nd week so it is not possible to click on the register button. I think everyone encountered the same error as well so yeah we will postpone this one onto next week

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The hands equity might differ depending on what you are up against with. For example, JJ against AQo is around 56.72 % vs 42.88 % and 0.4% for a tie but JJ against AQs is around 53.91 % vs 45.68 % and 0.42 % for a tie

* This is just a rough estimation of the hand equity

[famososMuertos]

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I read the information on Telegram, first it did not appear in the lobby and then the registration problem as mentioned arallmuus.

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+1

At least to have some poker this week, my apologies for being biased (video) but disconnected several times, and sometimes I leave it recording and I don't realize it, so try not to hit my poker hands  so quickly so that I do can stay "tuned" and be aware of the recording

[icopress]

Oh, the cancellation of the Sunday game was good news for me personally. It turns out, having gone on a Sunday fishing trip, I didn't miss anything. By the way, I watched the videos that famososMuertos posted and I had a question ... Am I alone interested in the content of game notes?

[arallmuus]

Oh, the cancellation of the Sunday game was good news for me personally. It turns out, having gone on a Sunday fishing trip, I didn't miss anything.

It seems most people wont make it last Sunday so yeah I guess it was a good thing that it was cancelled. By the way, Yahoo said that the we are going to hold the tournament on Wednesday, not sure if this is a final decision yet but I'd figured to let you know about it because you are not on the telegram group.

Edit : sorry misunderstood it, the tournament will be up on Wednesday but we will play it on Sunday

Am I alone interested in the content of game notes?

Lol I am curious as well and I had notes for every one of you . Mostly your bluff and action from flop to river

[Steamtyme]

I'm pretty sure the tournament will still be on Sunday, just that it should be up in the lobby by Wednesday so people have time to register. I was disappointed it didn't run, it was one of the weekends I had at home. I did get to play the GG masters as I had sattied into it, unfortunately it was a slow 3 hours unable to really get anything going and when I did many runouts that went 4 to a "Fuck me". Eventually I ran into Aces and that was the end of the day.

I had more notes on people when we played SWC, but I remember the Betnomi note system being glitchy off the start and just stopped using it. Most people I just have a general idea of what they are playing and why they are limping their monsters 

[Betwrong]

~
Edit : sorry misunderstood it, the tournament will be up on Wednesday but we will play it on Sunday
~

Good to know because I'm sure some of us wouldn't be able to play on Wednesday.

Regarding the cancelling of the last Sunday's game, turned out to be good for me. Spent great time with my family, having those 3 hours reserved for the game.

~

Am I alone interested in the content of game notes?

Lol I am curious as well and I had notes for every one of you . Mostly your bluff and action from flop to river

I'm curious about the notes too, but I myself don't do that. I know so much about your playing style(everyone's of you, guys, in the Series) so that no notes could accommodate it. ... But, yeah, I'd love to see your notes on me, though.

[icopress]

Lol I am curious as well and I had notes for every one of you . Mostly your bluff and action from flop to river

I'm waiting for the details! I wonder how my bluff looks from the side (maybe I'll reconsider my tactics).

I'm curious about the notes too, but I myself don't do that. I know so much about your playing style(everyone's of you, guys, in the Series) so that no notes could accommodate it. ... But, yeah, I'd love to see your notes on me, though.

Betwrong, Probably everyone has a noted under your name "don't fight him" Did you expect something else? Who else in a sober mind will go allin with an ace and a three against pocket kings and manage to win (three of a kind).  

[arallmuus]

I'm curious about the notes too, but I myself don't do that.

I'm waiting for the details! I wonder how my bluff looks from the side (maybe I'll reconsider my tactics).

This would defeat the purposes of having personal notes though  . I had a note for one of our regular players like this

80 % of the time if Bet on the river with high sizing = bluff

I Wont name the person because he is most likely going to change the way he plays on the river so yeah having these personal notes are great to get an edge over the other players . Its more like I cant really remember everything though so I had to make a note lol