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February 26, 2021, 07:56:27 AM
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Is it true that 70% of all adults in Thailand are gamblers? If the statistic is true then definitely Thailand is a gamblers country. The existing problem of their government about illegal gambling is an indication that they are lacks with their regulations, but if the government wants to take advantage of the situation they can legalised those gamblings or casinos and impose proper tax from them.

I don't know about 70% of the population, but a lot of people do gamble. In the history of Thailand there were times when gambling was legalized, but it did not last long. The Thai government is not interested in taxes as their main goal is to eradicate gambling, which should eventually lead to a reduction in the illegal income of criminal gangs.
Which shows a lack of understanding about human nature, it is impossible to stop people from gambling and any kind of prohibition will just create black markets in which people are simply going to be scammed or be abused, if they instead legalize the industry not only they can obtain taxes out of it but they can also protect their players, to me this shows very clearly that it is way better to regulate a market than it is to prohibit it which is what they are trying to do.

illegal or not, people will not stop gamble all of a sudden. but the Thailand government has to start somewhere that these casinos will negotiate til they could come up an agreement.

they would prefer to continue their business than starting over again it more manageable for both parties. Both are goin to be happy that way, the governments gets what they want and the casino as well.









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February 26, 2021, 09:18:33 AM
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Is it true that 70% of all adults in Thailand are gamblers? If the statistic is true then definitely Thailand is a gamblers country. The existing problem of their government about illegal gambling is an indication that they are lacks with their regulations, but if the government wants to take advantage of the situation they can legalised those gamblings or casinos and impose proper tax from them.

I don't know about 70% of the population, but a lot of people do gamble. In the history of Thailand there were times when gambling was legalized, but it did not last long. The Thai government is not interested in taxes as their main goal is to eradicate gambling, which should eventually lead to a reduction in the illegal income of criminal gangs.
Which shows a lack of understanding about human nature, it is impossible to stop people from gambling and any kind of prohibition will just create black markets in which people are simply going to be scammed or be abused, if they instead legalize the industry not only they can obtain taxes out of it but they can also protect their players, to me this shows very clearly that it is way better to regulate a market than it is to prohibit it which is what they are trying to do.

illegal or not, people will not stop gamble all of a sudden. but the Thailand government has to start somewhere that these casinos will negotiate til they could come up an agreement.

they would prefer to continue their business than starting over again it more manageable for both parties. Both are goin to be happy that way, the governments gets what they want and the casino as well.

Illegal means they don't have the license to operate and they don't report to the government, what the government would only want is to monitor the gambling sites if it's operating within the standards set by the regulators and to get the right amount of tax for the government.

They should comply as illegal gives a high risk when operating this kind of business.

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February 26, 2021, 02:08:28 PM
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February 26, 2021, 04:06:20 PM
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It is better to stop all illegal gambling activities in every country because it is possible to not follow also the guidelines about health now like we are in the Pandemic that high chances to get the virus if the people are crowded and It is sure that they want to be legal those illegal because the tax they gets and I hope the funds or tax they use will be use in right not for their own sake.

Funny you mentioned the pandemic because I think, the people who organize illegal gambling are very resourceful at this times right now of social distancing and lockdowns. I just saw on facebook the other day a live post and it is a cockfight being televised live. The bets are even shown on the screen. I was amused at first and just continued my merry browsing on social media but then I realized that there is gambling involved and it made me wonder how they can place their bets on facebook or maybe on some other website.

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February 26, 2021, 04:37:13 PM
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It is better to stop all illegal gambling activities in every country because it is possible to not follow also the guidelines about health now like we are in the Pandemic that high chances to get the virus if the people are crowded and It is sure that they want to be legal those illegal because the tax they gets and I hope the funds or tax they use will be use in right not for their own sake.

Funny you mentioned the pandemic because I think, the people who organize illegal gambling are very resourceful at this times right now of social distancing and lockdowns. I just saw on facebook the other day a live post and it is a cockfight being televised live. The bets are even shown on the screen. I was amused at first and just continued my merry browsing on social media but then I realized that there is gambling involved and it made me wonder how they can place their bets on facebook or maybe on some other website.
I've seen this everyday well in cockfight it was totally illegal when you don't have papers but it seems legit because commentators always said those legal operators of cockfight and that's where they getting their live battle well when it comes to bet there's an application that you can visit where an "agent" will invite you so you could play and there's are ways for you whenever you want to cash in and bitcoin is a payment method too because i've been playing this but it's not quite entertainment coz i felt bad for those cock fighting to death , and there a lot of circumstancing fake live with cockfight and now that's illegal because they collecting videos and they will live in into their own page this is the time that the owner knew which cock is going to win because when you're going to live in facebook you can always set it into delayed and that's people will be lossing.
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March 01, 2021, 03:34:33 AM
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Which shows a lack of understanding about human nature, it is impossible to stop people from gambling and any kind of prohibition will just create black markets in which people are simply going to be scammed or be abused, if they instead legalize the industry not only they can obtain taxes out of it but they can also protect their players, to me this shows very clearly that it is way better to regulate a market than it is to prohibit it which is what they are trying to do.

Anything which is under prohibition attracts a lot of curiosity and the people are more drawn in to it. Ideally they should make the gambling industry legal and regulate it. Also, prohibitions don't work nowadays, when the industry is perfectly legal in neighboring countries. The Thai citizens can just travel to the neighboring nations and visit the casinos which are operating there. Now the only losers are the Thai government, who will lose out of the tax revenues from the casinos and job creation.
Exactly, prohibitions towards gambling could have worked decades ago but when you can gamble from your smartphone in a casino that is located in another country or in a cryptocurrency casino then prohibiting gambling does not make sense, can you imagine the money the government will have to sped to try to make people comply with such law? It is way better to allow it and regulate it, that way governments get taxes out of the industry and they can use part of that money to create campaigns so people can gamble responsibly, to me that seems like the best option but it seems the government of Thailand does not agree.
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March 01, 2021, 04:45:27 AM
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Exactly, prohibitions towards gambling could have worked decades ago but when you can gamble from your smartphone in a casino that is located in another country or in a cryptocurrency casino then prohibiting gambling does not make sense, can you imagine the money the government will have to sped to try to make people comply with such law? It is way better to allow it and regulate it, that way governments get taxes out of the industry and they can use part of that money to create campaigns so people can gamble responsibly, to me that seems like the best option but it seems the government of Thailand does not agree.

The problem with governments is that it is headed by politicians and bureaucrats who are in their 60s and 70s and they don't have an idea about how modern technology works. They still believe in the old fashioned way, where they would like to ban anything that they don't like. I hope they will soon realize that things have changed. Intelligent governments, such as those in the EU/US have realized that they can't ban gambling, porn.etc and have moved towards regulation. Only the third world countries are still living in denial.

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March 01, 2021, 05:23:48 AM
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I think what they should do is to try to look for other alternatives for people to get back into their business so both the government and the citizens of Thailand will strive due to the cause of Covid. I think the main reason people go for illegal gambling it’s because it is easier for them to earn just as much as it is easier for them to lose their money as well. I also don’t think illegal gambling will ever stop for as long as people find ways to gamble, like just by using your phone and etc.
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Exactly, prohibitions towards gambling could have worked decades ago but when you can gamble from your smartphone in a casino that is located in another country or in a cryptocurrency casino then prohibiting gambling does not make sense, can you imagine the money the government will have to sped to try to make people comply with such law? It is way better to allow it and regulate it, that way governments get taxes out of the industry and they can use part of that money to create campaigns so people can gamble responsibly, to me that seems like the best option but it seems the government of Thailand does not agree.

The problem with governments is that it is headed by politicians and bureaucrats who are in their 60s and 70s and they don't have an idea about how modern technology works. They still believe in the old fashioned way, where they would like to ban anything that they don't like. I hope they will soon realize that things have changed. Intelligent governments, such as those in the EU/US have realized that they can't ban gambling, porn.etc and have moved towards regulation. Only the third world countries are still living in denial.


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March 01, 2021, 07:24:50 AM
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So what are the steps the government of Thailand are taking to "tackle" this illegal gambling problem? I have seen countries where illegal gambling is widely practiced just because of how the government handles the gambling scenario. They make gambling illegal (but why? As long as an adult is gambling, what's wrong with that? Adults can take their own decision and are grownup that knows that actions has consequences) or heavily regulated making it impossible to get license. Hence underground casinos are the only option left for them.
Maybe they should try easing gambling law?

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March 01, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
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So what are the steps the government of Thailand are taking to "tackle" this illegal gambling problem? I have seen countries where illegal gambling is widely practiced just because of how the government handles the gambling scenario. They make gambling illegal (but why? As long as an adult is gambling, what's wrong with that? Adults can take their own decision and are grownup that knows that actions has consequences) or heavily regulated making it impossible to get license. Hence underground casinos are the only option left for them.
Maybe they should try easing gambling law?

In the US, they have states where gambling is legal (such as Nevada) and some state where it is illegal (such as Utah and Texas). Those who want to gamble just travel to Nevada and visit the casinos there. Or they need to visit the casinos which are located in various Indian reservations (which are not under federal law). The advantage here is that all the gambling revenue stays within the country. What happens in Thailand is that the citizens either need to depend upon illegal casinos, or they need to travel to countries such as Singapore. The government loses tax revenue from the casinos.
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So what are the steps the government of Thailand are taking to "tackle" this illegal gambling problem? I have seen countries where illegal gambling is widely practiced just because of how the government handles the gambling scenario. They make gambling illegal (but why? As long as an adult is gambling, what's wrong with that? Adults can take their own decision and are grownup that knows that actions has consequences) or heavily regulated making it impossible to get license. Hence underground casinos are the only option left for them.
Maybe they should try easing gambling law?

In the US, they have states where gambling is legal (such as Nevada) and some state where it is illegal (such as Utah and Texas). Those who want to gamble just travel to Nevada and visit the casinos there. Or they need to visit the casinos which are located in various Indian reservations (which are not under federal law). The advantage here is that all the gambling revenue stays within the country. What happens in Thailand is that the citizens either need to depend upon illegal casinos, or they need to travel to countries such as Singapore. The government loses tax revenue from the casinos.

Since we are talking about the taxes, so this means that the government are only concern on taxes they could possible collect if casinos are legally operating? The fact that there's a lot of illegal casinos, that means the government is not so strict in implementing their rules, not only they are losing tax revenue but it also affect the standard of living of the people who can be addicted easily as gambling are not being limited.

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Since we are talking about the taxes, so this means that the government are only concern on taxes they could possible collect if casinos are legally operating? The fact that there's a lot of illegal casinos, that means the government is not so strict in implementing their rules, not only they are losing tax revenue but it also affect the standard of living of the people who can be addicted easily as gambling are not being limited.

In third world countries, the biggest obstacle for legalizing alcohol, gambling, porn, weed, prostitution.etc comes from the religious bodies. Ideally religion should be kept out of politics, but in many of the developing nations that is not the case. Even if the government realize that there is benefit in legalizing and regulating these sectors, they can't do much about it due to the opposition from the religious bodies. A good example is that of the Philippines. The government can't even implement family planning measures, because the Roman Catholic church opposes it.
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March 02, 2021, 10:54:59 AM
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I think what they should do is to try to look for other alternatives for people to get back into their business so both the government and the citizens of Thailand will strive due to the cause of Covid. I think the main reason people go for illegal gambling it’s because it is easier for them to earn just as much as it is easier for them to lose their money as well. I also don’t think illegal gambling will ever stop for as long as people find ways to gamble, like just by using your phone and etc.
In illegal gambling, people do not have many regulations as in legal gambling. They are playing gambling in that place because maybe the Thailand government still close the legal casino or limit the player who can come and playing gambling. But no matter if that is a legal casino or an illegal casino, their chance to lose their money will be the same, and they can lose bigger in the illegal casino because they can forget their time to playing gambling.

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March 04, 2021, 04:25:15 AM
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Exactly, prohibitions towards gambling could have worked decades ago but when you can gamble from your smartphone in a casino that is located in another country or in a cryptocurrency casino then prohibiting gambling does not make sense, can you imagine the money the government will have to sped to try to make people comply with such law? It is way better to allow it and regulate it, that way governments get taxes out of the industry and they can use part of that money to create campaigns so people can gamble responsibly, to me that seems like the best option but it seems the government of Thailand does not agree.

The problem with governments is that it is headed by politicians and bureaucrats who are in their 60s and 70s and they don't have an idea about how modern technology works. They still believe in the old fashioned way, where they would like to ban anything that they don't like. I hope they will soon realize that things have changed. Intelligent governments, such as those in the EU/US have realized that they can't ban gambling, porn.etc and have moved towards regulation. Only the third world countries are still living in denial.
I agree this is a generational problem, politicians and the laws for the most part are always behind the times, however new technologies are coming so fast that a delay of just a few years is now the equivalent of a decade, gambling is here to stay and it is going nowhere, politicians may like their citizens to not participate in the activity but this is not the reality they are facing, so instead of forbidding it they should think about how to make the best of this situation and it is obvious to me regulation is the way to go, as this will protect people by regulating the casinos, casinos will not have to hide their activities anymore and will be protected by the laws as well and taxes will come to the government, this is an scenario in which everyone wins and yet they do not see it this way.
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Online gambling is banned in thailand the government does not issue any licenses that allow operator VAT sites to gamble online in thailand. In reality the country has never considered such a possibility as worldly forms of gambling are generally banned despite the ban local players enjoy foreign services there are many online gambling sites that take thai players, although a few of them are available in thai. At the same time the ministry of information and communication technology periodically tries to control the situation these will be banned if the government imposes taxes on them.
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So what are the steps the government of Thailand are taking to "tackle" this illegal gambling problem? I have seen countries where illegal gambling is widely practiced just because of how the government handles the gambling scenario. They make gambling illegal (but why? As long as an adult is gambling, what's wrong with that? Adults can take their own decision and are grownup that knows that actions has consequences) or heavily regulated making it impossible to get license. Hence underground casinos are the only option left for them.
Maybe they should try easing gambling law?
The steps they are going to take is going to be the same as any other country did with their illegal gambling problem, implement it full throttle for around half a year and then it will just subside and the implementation will be completely forgotten and the illegal gambling will pop-up again. The problem with illegal gambling is that those businesses do not pay any taxes so government will go for them because they needed that tax so badly and some other reasons for making gambling illegal is religion or morals of that country..
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The steps they are going to take is going to be the same as any other country did with their illegal gambling problem, implement it full throttle for around half a year and then it will just subside and the implementation will be completely forgotten and the illegal gambling will pop-up again. The problem with illegal gambling is that those businesses do not pay any taxes so government will go for them because they needed that tax so badly and some other reasons for making gambling illegal is religion or morals of that country..

Yeah.. the same thing is happening here as well.. Governments ban whatever they don't like, but the demand is still there. So the business just moves underground, away from the surveillance of the authorities. And once it moves underground, the criminal gangs get involved and there will be competition and violence between various groups for dominance. Anyway, one thing is certain. Whatever profits are generated from this, none of it will end up with the government.

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Yeah.. the same thing is happening here as well.. Governments ban whatever they don't like, but the demand is still there. So the business just moves underground, away from the surveillance of the authorities. And once it moves underground, the criminal gangs get involved and there will be competition and violence between various groups for dominance. Anyway, one thing is certain. Whatever profits are generated from this, none of it will end up with the government.
And I forgot the angle of corruption when it comes to this kind of things, this underground businesses are proliferating despite authorities cracking down these businesses because corrupt politicians and police chiefs are on the payroll of this illegal business which in turn gives protection from crack downs. The addition of violence is the worst thing that can happen for these underground businesses, innocents are caught in the crossfire and the taxes that could have been taken from this businesses if they were legitimate could have make bigger projects.
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Yeah.. the same thing is happening here as well.. Governments ban whatever they don't like, but the demand is still there. So the business just moves underground, away from the surveillance of the authorities. And once it moves underground, the criminal gangs get involved and there will be competition and violence between various groups for dominance. Anyway, one thing is certain. Whatever profits are generated from this, none of it will end up with the government.
And I forgot the angle of corruption when it comes to this kind of things, this underground businesses are proliferating despite authorities cracking down these businesses because corrupt politicians and police chiefs are on the payroll of this illegal business which in turn gives protection from crack downs. The addition of violence is the worst thing that can happen for these underground businesses, innocents are caught in the crossfire and the taxes that could have been taken from this businesses if they were legitimate could have make bigger projects.
How can this be stopped when it is the reality of Life in government? Imagine you only need to "Do Nothing" and then you'll be in payroll with the amount you cannot earn for whole year but this syndicate will pay you for just a month of keeping silent  and nothing to act?
this is why in every government there will always be a Crook , i have seen government in my own eyes and yes , there will always be someone that will accept under the table money , and they will never end .









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