Thailand government seeks measures to tackle the problems of illegal gambling.

[ice098]

See this is why most gambling should shift to a online platform.. even the small street corner gambling operations should shift to mobile phones. So that you can still gamble against your friends from the safety of your home. 

Where are the software developers? Why can they not create an online version of these street games and then create an option where you can group friends together to gamble in a safe way? (They can take 1% of each round that are played to cover their expense for hosting these games and the players can get the lion share of the winnings) 

Make this decentralized so that the governments cannot shut it down. 

These should be taken seriously and i hope that the Thai Government can come up a better solution for these. A health related issues should always be the top priority as of these time where the world are still figuring out what vaccine will be the effective one to fight for the Covid. And i am agreeing with the thought that gambling should be upgraded and updated where online gambling while at home, safe and without worrying about health risk was not the main concern anymore

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[Ryker1]

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Make this decentralized so that the governments cannot shut it down. 

Well, I don't know how this will work but it sounds interesting to me.
Blockchain will give power to that proposal if they want, they can create a decentralized gambling platform that operates with open-source code and also the purpose that other developers can work for the development of such platform, why not?
Without central operators, gambling will smoothly operate and I don't think the government of Thailand can stop this idea.
On other hand, can a licensed gambling site consider as illegal if this will operate in Thailand?

[plr]

I doubt it's up that percentage. Even the safe bettors who bet regularly would not be upto that percentage atall, not to talk of 70% of the country's adult population engage in very risk bettings. It's possible that number of people who bet occasionally in the country is up to that percentage though. Calling 70% of the adults gamblers (gamblers in betting) is likely an exaggeration

At 70% that would make Thailand one of the countries with many gamblers, to think that gambling here is illegal I also consider this too exaggerated, if they are going to fine those will violate that means a lot of money but it's also a source of corruption among their police, as a violator you will opt to a lesser cost of fine and if the police are corrupt they will offer them to release for half the fine, and many will bribe officials too.

[Janation]

Now let's look at some quote taken from google :

There is a lot of gambling in Thailand. An estimated 70 percent of adults gamble regularly, and the total value added involved is huge—possibly over 200 billion baht a year. With some small exceptions, all of this gambling activity is illegal.

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70 percent of thai adults?   Wow that's a really high rate! What's your exact source for those figures please?
It implies that most of thaï women are regular gamblers too. That's crazy!

I doubt it's up that percentage. Even the safe bettors who bet regularly would not be upto that percentage atall, not to talk of 70% of the country's adult population engage in very risk bettings. It's possible that number of people who bet occasionally in the country is up to that percentage though. Calling 70% of the adults gamblers (gamblers in betting) is likely an exaggeration

To be honest I am also surprised by these numbers.

70% is a huge percentage of a country and even though we are talking about the adult gamblers, that is still a huge percentage. Despite that, there are also a lot of people that know a lottery in a country and almost all of the people knew about it. When you say lotto to the people, they will immediately know what you are talking about. That is why despite me getting surprised by that, I know that is true.

[iTradeChips]

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Nost gambling forms in the Philippines which was illegal had been permitted by the government with certain restrictions. Gambling is a big industry and it will be impossible to fully control or stop such activities, so they chose to govern and make it legal and give some restrictions so that they can also benefit from it through taxes. Which is a win-win situation for gamblers and the government. Gambling is part of our culture, even with the government's restriction people will find ways to gamble.

They are not even to stop because of the authorities' laxity. The sad thing is that some of the authorities are running such illegal gambling, who wants to stop them, none? It is just the way we think that illegal gambling will still exist for the next generation and I don't believe there was an end to this issue.

As the spread of gambling continues, more young adults get into trouble and addiction. It's up for us to stop our own rather than to stop the whole thing of gambling. Less hopes it become possible since the government also benefiting from this.

There were attempts in the past for the Gambling authorities in government to legalize some of the numbers game that has plagued the country since time immemorial and that is by establishing the small town lotteries. Cockfighting has become a way of life in the provinces and the horse races are still staple in the major cities. Maybe the pandemic has temporarily put these into halt (except for the lotteries) but I think once the situation normalizes then we will see a peak of these games again. Oh, I might also add the card games during funerals also needs to be stopped.

[boyptc]

Shut down the illegal gambling will not succeed because there will be much more illegal gambling running in a secret place without the government knows. Maybe the government does not need to shut down the illegal gambling, but they can use another approach to the owner and give an offer that can benefit the owner and the government.

Run into a secret place or not, they'll take them down. Why do you think illegal gambling shouldn't shutdown? The owner should be the one to approach the government.

Not the government approaching and pleasing them to become legal. That's why they are illegal, they're up to something against the law.

It will relate to many people out there who want to play gambling, but they do not want to get a formal situation. If the government can use a different approach to the owner and invite them to communicate, I think they will realize that they do not have to be an illegal gambling place.

Illegal gambling is against the law because they do not register their place to the government, and the owner does not want to pay any taxes. But they pay the fee to some people who have the power to protect them from the law. If the government can use this to give the owner a chance to be on the government side, it could give more income to the government, and the owner does not have to worry or worry if they break the law.

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

[ice098]

Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.

Indeed, lottery may be the cheapest form of gambling that anyone can afford in the local community and that good thing is it is legal. Each country may have their own kind of lottery and they will collect taxes in this and part of it will be distributed in each departments and foundations, it can help those who are in need especially those pro Bono patients in the hospitals. But even this thing is legal there will be more games that people continue to play even it will cause them to be imprisoned.

[michellee]

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

[Mahanton]

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

No owners would really be tending on hiding with the shadows and if they can really take advantage on having connections in to those top positioned fellas then they would really be doing
some sort of common action.When government do see it that it would really be beneficial of them then they would surely be making  steps that would really be on a win-win situation.
Instead of blocking or prohibiting them then why wont allow them instead? They are really aware on the possibly benefit or exchange if doing such thing.
It all matters into their decision though.

[Twinkledoe]

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

No owners would really be tending on hiding with the shadows and if they can really take advantage on having connections in to those top positioned fellas then they would really be doing
some sort of common action.When government do see it that it would really be beneficial of them then they would surely be making  steps that would really be on a win-win situation.
Instead of blocking or prohibiting them then why wont allow them instead? They are really aware on the possibly benefit or exchange if doing such thing.
It all matters into their decision though.

Better meet halfway with the government rather than continue the business in illegal way. The truth is, if you are an owner and will not comply with the legalities, you will spend more as you need to pay grease money to corrupt officials. That's the usual scenario here. So why not make your business legal at all angles? At least you will not be running from authorities all throughout your business life.

[hulla]

Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.

The ongoing conversation before Saint-loup above message was about the percentage of Thailand adults that gambling regularly which was said to be 70%, I believe women are included and when he heard that the result seem to be base on the Thailand lottery game which is usually back by the government.

[South Park]

Given the current situation of the pandemic, business owners are opting to establish illegal gambling facilities to at least help them with their situation. But the pandemic alone does not justify their illegal gambling activities especially that they lack all the required licenses and permits to do so.

To me this is a big factor, in my country many businesses are so desperate because they still cannot open their doors that many are deciding to open a new business outside the regulations, so not only they get to be open they also avoid paying taxes to the government, governments are not going to like this one bit but if they keep such a posture of not allowing businesses to open their doors then people are going to do something to about it even if that means not respecting the law.

[FlightyPouch]

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

[Sithara007]

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

The only difference now is that the operators of illegal casinos will be forced to pay additional bribes to the cops. Thailand is just like any other third world country, with corruption being rampant among the bureaucracy and police force. Despite all these restrictions, the majority of the illegal casinos would continue to operate by bribing the politicians and the policemen. Once in a while, a few people may be arrested just to show that the cops are serious about implementing the law.

[Wexnident]

I think it's better for them to let it be legal rather than just completely remove it from their system. The revenue can help their economy, and if managed well, can help them rise back up. It just takes a bit more costs to actually manage and ensure that the gambling establishments follow protocols properly. Not to mention that no matter what, even if they try to remove it, one or two would pop back up in a matter of months, so might as well accommodate and use it to their advantage.

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

The only difference now is that the operators of illegal casinos will be forced to pay additional bribes to the cops. Thailand is just like any other third world country, with corruption being rampant among the bureaucracy and police force. Despite all these restrictions, the majority of the illegal casinos would continue to operate by bribing the politicians and the policemen. Once in a while, a few people may be arrested just to show that the cops are serious about implementing the law.

The issue here is simply following safety protocols, so couldn't the government spare the manpower to monitor establishments, under the guise of it being "helping" as a sort of fix for it? Cause in the end, having someone monitor it and ensure that it follows would simply fix the problem, and most possibly reducing the chances of as you say, casinos remaining to be listed as illegal.

[michellee]

No owners would really be tending on hiding with the shadows and if they can really take advantage on having connections in to those top positioned fellas then they would really be doing
some sort of common action.When government do see it that it would really be beneficial of them then they would surely be making  steps that would really be on a win-win situation.
Instead of blocking or prohibiting them then why wont allow them instead? They are really aware on the possibly benefit or exchange if doing such thing.
It all matters into their decision though.

That is only if the government wants to get additional income from them, and they concern about legalizing illegal gambling in their country. People will not have to hide their activity to playing gambling because they can free to go to the casino and play gambling with legalizing from the government. It is no use in blocking or prohibiting the illegal gambling business if that country allows gambling because that will give the officials a chance to corrupt the system.

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

If the government is banning these gambling places, many more hidden gambling places will open to many people secretly because they do not want the government to know about they are playing gambling. Maybe the casino is not applying strict rules to people who come to their place and playing gambling, and maybe there is no strict supervision from the casino. If the casino can strictly with their rules, I am sure people will not try to break the health protocols.

[BTCGOLD]

There are other things that the government in Thailand should be concerned about right now. There will first have to be tourists who bring money before gambling can be resumed in its way.
I also don't think that the Thai police will take any harsh action against this, you would only cause fear to tourists. Bad for the name.

[Janation]

There are other things that the government in Thailand should be concerned about right now. There will first have to be tourists who bring money before gambling can be resumed in its way.
I also don't think that the Thai police will take any harsh action against this, you would only cause fear to tourists. Bad for the name.

Why would they have a problem with tourists?

In terms of this topic, the government of Thailand is having a problem with underground gambling, I don't think tourists that came to Thailand would be a problem since most of these tourists would obviously bet on casinos and not in these illegal places. That won't fear tourists because, at the first place, it is not the reason why these tourists came to that country.

[boyptc]

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

I'm calm mate.

What I'm telling, it's not the government that will approach those illegal casinos and make them illegal. Who should be doing the first move?

Not them but those illegal gambling places if they want to get certified and be legal.

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I'm calm mate.

What I'm telling, it's not the government that will approach those illegal casinos and make them illegal. Who should be doing the first move?

Not them but those illegal gambling places if they want to get certified and be legal.

It also depends, if the government makes a public announcement about the mandatory registration of all gambling businesses.  Just like the implementation of the registration of online sellers here in our country but it is not followed.  Maybe at first, some will follow but later they will also lose attention and return to the old routine unless they focus on and restrict law enforcement.  Some are stubborn but it often happens that the authorities approach or pursue illegal activities.  When you ban it, because of the hardships of life today, it will do and will still do illegally especially if they have nothing else to think about to do just to live especially now that the condition of the pandemic is exacerbated.