94 year old healthy woman gets the vaccine.

[Jet Cash]

My partner has a 94 year old friend. She is healthy and active, and has an alert mind. She has no health issues other than poor eyesight. Her daughter pushed her into having the Covid vaccine, even though she is self-isolating and gas no symptoms. Within 5 days she has been rushed to hospital with diarrhoea and other medical problems. This is yet another case of the murderous so-called health services that are pushing their poisons to enrich the pharma companies.

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[Gyfts]

Diarrhea is apparently one of the side effects of the vaccines among other conditions which might have contributed to the deaths of some folks in Norway, see here - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

It's a bit unfortunate because the vaccine is generally safe but some people will inevitably get adverse reactions which might hurt them.

[Jet Cash]

How do you know it is safe? It hasn't been around for long enough to be tested adequately/

Why would you want to give it to a healthy person? The virus isn't serious enough to bother anyone that has decent immunity.

[gredinger]

How do you know it is dangerous? It hasn't been around long enough to be tested adequately/

Why wouldn't you want to vaccinate a healthy person? The virus is kills plenty healthy people.

[o_e_l_e_o]

The virus isn't serious enough to bother anyone that has decent immunity.

Your 94 year old friend has a >20% chance of death if she catches the virus. Source: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

[Gyfts]

How do you know it is safe? It hasn't been around for long enough to be tested adequately/

Why would you want to give it to a healthy person? The virus isn't serious enough to bother anyone that has decent immunity.

You have a point...the vaccine probably isn't all that helpful to someone with a good immune system because you tend to fight off the disease with little to no symptoms. The chance of death or hospitalization is pretty damn low so that's why I won't fault someone who is young and healthy for not getting the vaccine.

But in the case of the elderly, the chance of you dying from the disease is far greater than the chance of adverse reactions resulting in death from the vaccine so it's best that the older people take it. They're more safe with it than without.

[franky1]

first of all.

being 94 and healthy = vulnerable list. not the extreme vulnerable list of 'shielding' (self isolation)
being 94 and having unmanaged diabetes(overweight) or heart issues puts her on the extreme vulnerable shielding list.

the "qcovid" assessment tool thats used to calculate the risk factors of thresholds, to put people into the 'clinically extremely vulnerable list' (self isolating shielding list) show a 'healthy' female of 94 with no underlying issues and healthy bmi would not get the 0.5% threshold
infact someone that is 94 and with just diabetes2 and a healthy bmi wont hit that threshold

so she has some other factors that would tip over the threshold to be put on the shielding self isolation list

you might think she is healthy because she can walk and talk. but unless you know the contents of her medicine cabinet or know what she is suffering from that she is not telling people.. 'healthy' is not a diagnosis.

but its better to have diarrhoea from a vaccine than have diarrhoea and pneumonia from the virus
(vaccine goes in the arm not the lungs=no pneumonia from vaccine=safer)

[Rruchi man]

It is well known that in every situation, special cases are always there.  If 1000 person's are administered a new drug, it is well within the line of science to say that it is expected that some individuals exhibition adverse reactions to it. Our 94 year old lady friend is just an example of one of such cases.

[Poker Player]

I'm not pro-vaccine but I'm not closed-minded either. It is normal for some people to have some adverse effects, it happens with all medications. For me the important question is whether vaccines are going to have serious harmful effects in the short and long term. In the short term they do not seem to have them, since millions of people are being vaccinated and the serious reactions are statistically speaking negligible. We will have to see what happens in the medium term. If in a year's time no serious reactions are observed in the long term, we will be able to say that they are safe, even if they give slight reactions in the short term or if some people may suffer serious reactions.

[Mauser]

My partner has a 94 year old friend. She is healthy and active, and has an alert mind. She has no health issues other than poor eyesight. Her daughter pushed her into having the Covid vaccine, even though she is self-isolating and gas no symptoms. Within 5 days she has been rushed to hospital with diarrhoea and other medical problems. This is yet another case of the murderous so-called health services that are pushing their poisons to enrich the pharma companies.

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Oh this really bad. Hope she is doing better now. Do you know which vaccine she got? I read that the Astrazeneca vaccine is very bad for elderly people. My grandmother is getting the vaccine next month. I hope everything goes well.

[Jet Cash]

I see one person posted that the vaccines haven't been around long enough to comment. Well, if someone dies within 5 minutes or a few days, then one case could be a coincidence, but there are too many people dying shortly after vaccination for it not to be a contributing factor.  Reports say that the vaccines are 50-80% effective, and that 99% of the population has had no significant health problems as a result of being infected without having been vaccinated. ( Lord Sumption amongst other, and as an Eton educated senior lawyer, he should be in a position to know the true facts). So, at best, vaccination reduces your natural immunity by 20%, and it has numerous side effects including death. Why would any sane person want to risk death to reduce their natural immunity?

[Pancho95]

I guessed also that this is not going to be regular vaccine. There will maybe 5-6 vaccine that we will have to take in order to stay healthy because it is like those right now are made to cause more problems. And in order to fix those we will have to take more vaccines. I would not vaccinate old people as their bodies are not strong enough to handle covid virus that is in the vaccine. Maybe vaccinate all other people so there is no anyone who would transmit them covid. That is maybe better option. For old people if they have survived until now, vaccine will finish them I'm afraid.

[Jet Cash]

Healthy is the natural state of the human body, so you don't need a vaccine to stay healthy. You need to refuse the vaccine to stay healthy. I am extremely stressed over this poor woman, and I am appalled that humans are prepared to destroy her just to make a few extra pounds for the Pharma companies, and to milk her assets to run the evil "care" homes that the property developers seem to have acquired.

[Poker Player]

I see one person posted that the vaccines haven't been around long enough to comment. Well, if someone dies within 5 minutes or a few days, then one case could be a coincidence, but there are too many people dying shortly after vaccination for it not to be a contributing factor.  

I assume you are indirectly referring to me. In the end I think I'm going to put you on ignore because it's been a few times now that you take half of what I say and twist it to answer me, distorting it. But going to the point: where are those lots of people dying shortly after vaccination? Put links please.

Otherwise all you are is a charlatan.

And I am telling you this, although I have said several times in posts about COVID that I understand at the very least it has been exaggerated, that I don't trust vaccines at least in principle, etc.

[franky1]

I see one person posted that the vaccines haven't been around long enough to comment. Well, if someone dies within 5 minutes or a few days, then one case could be a coincidence, but there are too many people dying shortly after vaccination for it not to be a contributing factor.  Reports say that the vaccines are 50-80% effective, and that 99% of the population has had no significant health problems as a result of being infected without having been vaccinated. ( Lord Sumption amongst other, and as an Eton educated senior lawyer, he should be in a position to know the true facts). So, at best, vaccination reduces your natural immunity by 20%, and it has numerous side effects including death. Why would any sane person want to risk death to reduce their natural immunity?

99% no significant health problems???

you are forgetting your over 70 and not 7 right??
yes a 7yo would have 1% risk of mild/severe. but you and your spouse and her friend are all over 70
and by your spouse and friend shielding it seems they have more vulnerabilities

also.. your completely wrong assumption about the vaccine. it does not reduce your natural immunity by 20%

people over 70 with other issues that put them in the shielding category have a covid risk of
15% chance of no symptoms(asymptomatic)
40% chance of getting mild symptoms.(persistant cough/high fever for 7days+)
25% chance of getting severe symptoms(nasal air canular)
15% chance of getting critical symptoms(intubated respirator)
5% risk of dying

so a vaccine with 80% effectivity would lower the risk to:
8% chance of getting mild
5% chance of severe
3% chance of critical
1% risk of dying
meaning 83% chance of no symptoms
(personally i think it would be more like 25% asymptomatic 58% minor(short cough/lowgrade fever for 2 days))

[Vod]

JC, do you understand the delicate balance between life vs the economy?  If life was the most important thing, countries would have locked down completely and instantly until the virus was eradicated.  Armed forces delivering food and water.

If the economy was the most important thing, we would have overwhelmed the health care system, killed hundreds of millions but be back on our way to recovery now.

If you were in charge - what would you do?

[Toplistico.com]

Honestly, I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because according to sources I read that the covid-19 vaccine has side effects such as diarrhea and dizziness, and I don't want to harm the people closest to me, especially those who are old.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Honestly, I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because according to sources I read that the covid-19 vaccine has side effects such as diarrhea and dizziness, and I don't want to harm the people closest to me, especially those who are old.

Of course. You wouldn't want to feel dizzy for a few hours! How barbaric! I know I'd much rather have respiratory failure and a 20% chance of death than feel a bit dizzy.

[BADecker]

Honestly, I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because according to sources I read that the covid-19 vaccine has side effects such as diarrhea and dizziness, and I don't want to harm the people closest to me, especially those who are old.

Of course. You wouldn't want to feel dizzy for a few hours! How barbaric! I know I'd much rather have respiratory failure and a 20% chance of death than feel a bit dizzy.

There are literally thousands or hundreds of thousands of adverse things that can harm you in life. Go stick yourself in the matrix where they can pump you full of all kinds of s**t so that nothing bad will happen to you. What? You are talking from the matrix right now? Are you in a bath, or a simple straitjacket? Do you really think that stuff up? Or are they pumping it out of your what-used-to-be-a-brain for you?

[mu_enrico]

I wonder if this vaccine "emergency use authorization" will still be allowed if there is no emergency. This short-term side effect may be already known, but how about the long-term effect?

Her daughter pushed her into having the Covid vaccine

This doesn't seem right. Vaccination should be a personal decision, but "pushed" could mean more of a persuasion. Nothing wrong with persuasion, not with coercion.

I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because...

Because free will matters, even if the vaccine is proven 100%, forcing people to take it is still wrong.