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April 22, 2021, 04:41:28 AM
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The players and the clubs satisfied the demand of the fans they are the market and the true boss of any sports, without the fans there's no games, no sales, and the organization cannot keep up with running a team, no organizations can sustain without revenues, which they get from fans who are buying tickets and paying pay per view subscriptions, the players and the clubs exist because of the fans.
So the fans are the key for the sports to become popular and without them, the sports will not get popularity and will not make money. Even if the fans do not have much money like the boss, the organization, the club owner, the fans can do many things to make the sports can not get what they want. So the club owner and the boss behind the organization need to understand that and they need to serve their fans.

Therefore, many big teams do everything for the sake of the fans, because like you said sports without fans will not make money.
Why did many big European teams toured Asia before the COVID-19 pandemic occurred, because they wanted to add fans from Asia.
Then many big European teams bought Asian players. Like Liverpool buying Takumi Minamino, it was all done to please the fans.
The more fans of a team, the richer the team will be, therefore I strongly agree that in the world of sports fans are the strongest.

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April 22, 2021, 08:14:46 AM
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The players and the clubs satisfied the demand of the fans they are the market and the true boss of any sports, without the fans there's no games, no sales, and the organization cannot keep up with running a team, no organizations can sustain without revenues, which they get from fans who are buying tickets and paying pay per view subscriptions, the players and the clubs exist because of the fans.
So the fans are the key for the sports to become popular and without them, the sports will not get popularity and will not make money. Even if the fans do not have much money like the boss, the organization, the club owner, the fans can do many things to make the sports can not get what they want. So the club owner and the boss behind the organization need to understand that and they need to serve their fans.

Therefore, many big teams do everything for the sake of the fans, because like you said sports without fans will not make money.
Why did many big European teams toured Asia before the COVID-19 pandemic occurred, because they wanted to add fans from Asia.
Then many big European teams bought Asian players. Like Liverpool buying Takumi Minamino, it was all done to please the fans.
The more fans of a team, the richer the team will be, therefore I strongly agree that in the world of sports fans are the strongest.
That is right. The big teams know how they should treat their fans and do many things just for them. They want to give the best and besides that, if they can get more fans, their team will get big support and give more spirits to their team.

Maybe the club owner will invite their fan to meet and greet their team to make their fan happy to see their favourite player. That can lift their popularity among the other teams and they will get more supports.

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April 22, 2021, 09:58:23 AM
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I agree the Fans are the most powerful of all without them the clubs and player wouldn't continue,
They support the club and the club supports the player so the player and club needs the fans to continue without the Fans both clubs and player would struggle to continue on the field.
That is why some of the players are so humble and generous to their fans.

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April 22, 2021, 10:02:05 AM
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They are all equals. Why? Because when you remove one of them, the other two don't mean shit.

Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?
I was gonna say the fans since they are the targeted market and is where the money is. but this makes sense too. it's more like give and take and everyone benefits from it. the fans get the entertainment they want, the players get to play the sports they want and get paid and the club gets the profit and the exposure they want.

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April 22, 2021, 10:54:41 AM
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I think that all of them are essential in their respective roles, fans are the lifeblood but the players are the ones that are playing the game, the clubs manage the players and have the do the PR for the players for the fans. Choosing one of them is like choosing whether water, air or food is essential for a human to live.
I agree with you mate players, clubs and fans are the three essential to make a gambling business operated smoothly. Though the business can still run even the one was absent but can't deny that the missing of one aspect can contribute also to the slow grow of a business. But among the three I believe that the fans are the most important because I believe that the player was a also a fan of a gambling busines.
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April 22, 2021, 11:29:02 AM
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If it ain't the Clubs then it will be the Spades.  Grin Just kidding.

Seriously, it was always the fans who keeps the sports industry alive.
Our daily wage being saved just to watch their games thru live telecast or the expensive choice, live at the sidelines.
I guess you could say it with every sports there is. I don't know about golf though which is mostly played by the privilege.
In gambling industry, yes, huge slice of the pie comes from the fans also who put their money on the line.

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April 22, 2021, 11:42:07 AM
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They are all equals. Why? Because when you remove one of them, the other two don't mean shit.

Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?
I agree on this, a very balanced explanation. All of them are important and equal. And it's all going to end up that everyone should respect the importance of the clubs, players and the fans.

Very well said. Those 3 entities are vital for them to be successful in the sports industry. Without one of them, I don't think they will enjoy the same success they can get in this field. So yes, this should not be a question in the first place. Just look at the scenario if you will take out any of them, whether fans or clubs or players, there will be nothing to discuss about.
Without one of them, it would be incomplete.

It's like a combination of three of them and they won't work together if there's one lack in the group. There's no competition, everything is valuable as we look to them.

Sports is also a business model, all of them are playing their own parts to grow it and for them to continue in their passion.

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April 22, 2021, 11:43:07 AM
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Basically, these three things (players, fans and clubs) are interconnected and have their own relationship.

However, in reality we can see that there are players who dominate the club and there are also clubs that dominate the players.

For example, Messi who dominates the Barcelona and Florentino Perez (Real Madrid) who dominates the players.
They are really connected to each other and this wont really exist if one part would really be absent or doesnt exist.Even though majority been talking here about
fans to be the most powerful but i do bit agree that they do have mutual benefits to each other or something that they could rely on.
They wont really be making out some revenue if one of those factors or components doesnt exist.

Yups, you're right ...

Fans make money, clubs generate players and players generate performance.

- The club will not earn money if there are no fans and players.
- Players will not make money if there are no clubs and fans.
- Fans do not get Entertainment if there are no clubs and players.

But my basic question is, do the fans have power when we talk about weak clubs who have little advantage from the fans? call it like the clubs in the area of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia.

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April 22, 2021, 02:15:31 PM
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So in effect, fans are the real owners of clubs and players.

It is their hard earned money that keeps the game running.

Players age and they’re always replaced but the loyalty of the fans keep the club alive.

SUPPORTERS HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS NONSENSE which will deprive poor people the opportunity to make ends meet.
If you look into a government structure, same kind of inter-relationship could be spotted out.
So, there would be no surprises in my end on your conclusion of finalizing in favor of fans as a real owners.

Who are all spending their real money, they deserve to be the real owners. Clubs invest their own money but for actual business they again depending on fans and followers. So, it is a complexly connect cycle where talented people finds their fortune and fans find good entrainment and clubs make money by making the ends meet.
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April 22, 2021, 02:20:20 PM
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Sporting events are profit-driven, they pay their players, they need money to maintain everything within the sports and the fans are the ones who will pay the ticket the pay per views and buy the team merchandise, these teams do not spend their funds without thinking of something in return, so the fans are the boss, if there are no fans the league will cease to function.
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April 22, 2021, 03:27:16 PM
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It is not only the fans who keep the club there, because at least there are other investors who make the club grow even bigger. I don't think it's just because the club's fans are growing, because how can a club develop without good management. Look at the other smaller clubs, basically the small clubs have fans too but because of the lack of investors who come and are not well managed, in the end the small club cannot grow bigger and will continue to be below.

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It is not only the fans who keep the club there, because at least there are other investors who make the club grow even bigger. I don't think it's just because the club's fans are growing, because how can a club develop without good management. Look at the other smaller clubs, basically the small clubs have fans too but because of the lack of investors who come and are not well managed, in the end the small club cannot grow bigger and will continue to be below.

Supporters and investors are also factors to grow the club, just how you illustrate your example, those small club also have fans but they are not growing unlike those big clubs that have good team behind.

They are good in advertising and promoting, having investors money to do things and attract more people to support the club, it's really a good advantage to anyone.

Good management and good support from the  fans, perfectly combined to succeed.

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April 22, 2021, 05:13:14 PM
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These three couldn't work well without the presence of one because each of them plays an important role for the game to continue. The players rely on fans and investors but without the presence of skilled players, no one could make money through sports. They work and function for each other.
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These three couldn't work well without the presence of one because each of them plays an important role for the game to continue. The players rely on fans and investors but without the presence of skilled players, no one could make money through sports. They work and function for each other.
That's right, these three coexist because they have a certain role each of them to make the game and money's running. Imagine if one of these three is not working, do you think there's still a game that's worth for the hard work of each of them? I mean, if you want to go on a national level you have to give your best shot to be on the list of the best players.

Fans and clubs can support you all the way to the end if you're giving your best to them since huge money evolves only when a strong team/player is worth it with their talent.

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April 22, 2021, 07:49:51 PM
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These three couldn't work well without the presence of one because each of them plays an important role for the game to continue. The players rely on fans and investors but without the presence of skilled players, no one could make money through sports. They work and function for each other.
They have to compliment each other to satisfy the needs of the other, so these three are really important. Its hard to argue about who’s more powerful because some sports are dealing well even if there’s a limited fans watching them, but in most popular sports the fans are really present and the players are going all out to achieve the goal of the club. They have to work for the benefits of everyone.

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April 22, 2021, 07:58:29 PM
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These three couldn't work well without the presence of one because each of them plays an important role for the game to continue. The players rely on fans and investors but without the presence of skilled players, no one could make money through sports. They work and function for each other.
They have to compliment each other to satisfy the needs of the other, so these three are really important. Its hard to argue about who’s more powerful because some sports are dealing well even if there’s a limited fans watching them, but in most popular sports the fans are really present and the players are going all out to achieve the goal of the club. They have to work for the benefits of everyone.
Or lets say about those mutual benefits to each other which i do agree.One wouldnt exist if the the other one isnt really here or cant really be seen.
We cant just make out conclusion that fans are the only one needed as if they arent able to get some benefit or entertainment that they could get out of those teams
and leagues that had set out specific games for fans interest and entertainment times.So there's no really need for some comparison among these things

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April 22, 2021, 11:54:55 PM
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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..



If there's a poll here the fans will be the winner of the poll, we are all fans here we are the one to pay the ticket, to support the team to watch them and pay per view, we are the one spending money for our favorite team and if a team did not give us what we want, we shift our allegiance to other team, what matters is the fan base, they can make or break a sports league, players and clubs should give what the fans wants.

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These three couldn't work well without the presence of one because each of them plays an important role for the game to continue. The players rely on fans and investors but without the presence of skilled players, no one could make money through sports. They work and function for each other.
They have to compliment each other to satisfy the needs of the other, so these three are really important. Its hard to argue about who’s more powerful because some sports are dealing well even if there’s a limited fans watching them, but in most popular sports the fans are really present and the players are going all out to achieve the goal of the club. They have to work for the benefits of everyone.
Or lets say about those mutual benefits to each other which i do agree.One wouldnt exist if the the other one isnt really here or cant really be seen.
We cant just make out conclusion that fans are the only one needed as if they arent able to get some benefit or entertainment that they could get out of those teams
and leagues that had set out specific games for fans interest and entertainment times.So there's no really need for some comparison among these things

In short, these 3 groups are integral part of the ecosystem to make the sports alive and successful.
Without one of them, they can't achieve the success they want in this field.
People should not really make a poll on this as I don't think there is a need to do so.
Let us accept that all these 3 are vital to form a harmonious relationship in this industry.
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These three couldn't work well without the presence of one because each of them plays an important role for the game to continue. The players rely on fans and investors but without the presence of skilled players, no one could make money through sports. They work and function for each other.
That's my take on this too, I find it unnecessary and pretty scummy that we are to choose which one is important when in the end, all of them have their own roles to fill as @Cling18 has said, we need to stop with this kind of dividing people. Players are the ones that make the game interesting, the club is the representative and the fans are the pillar, as simple as that
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April 23, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
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In short, these 3 groups are integral part of the ecosystem to make the sports alive and successful.
Without one of them, they can't achieve the success they want in this field.
People should not really make a poll on this as I don't think there is a need to do so.
Let us accept that all these 3 are vital to form a harmonious relationship in this industry.


That's right. If even one component of this ecosystem is removed, the system ceases to function.

By the way, I would also add to this list the advertisers and sponsors who raise huge funds for the sporting world as well as the media, thanks to whose work we can follow sporting events from almost anywhere in the world. Sport brings people together irrespective of their political beliefs, place of residence or nationality.

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