UK 20% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest part of the country

[Fesatmas]

I think everyone should read the article the OP shared, and dig deeper into what's really going on. Based on the conclusion, I think some people don't agree with the establishment of casinos in the area, even there it is said that six to 10 are affected by addiction.

While the minimal economic conditions create some instability. The casino is being reviewed to gauge how effective this establishment is with the prosperity of the community around the casino. The Behavioral Insights team will soon conduct more in-depth research on the case. Of course, some argue that it will provide economic growth, the rest is still a question of whether this stance will continue and ignore the social problems of the people who feel disturbed.

As Carolyn Harris put it in the article said "It targets the most vulnerable in society, both economically and those who may have problems".

[Fredomago]

Perhaps that's what he meant, if you are born poor, then you can past it to your kids, unless your children really works hard and uplift their life, it's because of the influence. He might be not be generalizating it, but maybe for some it's pretty obvious.

Yeah, I agree that it's a double edge sword, but remember that the odds are against us in gambling and only those who are lucky can get out of poverty because of gambling.

Only those who have decent lucked who can get out and change their lives with the help of gambling. It's a double-edge sword since the venue is near to those poor people who haven't had other options.

They are force of the situation thinking that gambling is the easiest way to earn money and with the belief that it can change their life once they hit the jackpot.

We can remove the fact that gambling owners are after with the money. They don't care if it's small amount as long as they are generating money, they will proceed and make it happen.

[Zilon]

As Carolyn Harris put it in the article said "It targets the most vulnerable in society, both economically and those who may have problems".

The most vulnerable remains the target because they are they are always carried away by get rich quick schemes as well as easy to get funds. Most wealthy folks don't go about gambling as a do or die affair. This gambling companies already know who their true customers are and also know where to get them and thats why they tend to flood rural areas more where people only struggle to survive.

[Fesatmas]

The most vulnerable remains the target because they are they are always carried away by get rich quick schemes as well as easy to get funds. Most wealthy folks don't go about gambling as a do or die affair. This gambling companies already know who their true customers are and also know where to get them and thats why they tend to flood rural areas more where people only struggle to survive.

Regarding that I have already said, that I am speaking based on the data of the articles shared, why am I referring to the article? firstly I'm not British who can't really tell what's really going on there, and secondly there's nothing I can refer to other than reading, so I certainly appreciate how speculation is about whether or not people agree or disagree with the establishment of the Casino.

If it can have a positive impact, I'd say it's good and it can lead to changes in the community's economy for the better, and if it's the other way around then who is the casino targeting here? Apart from that they make tough money and bet for 1, 2 or 3 times and then will be given a win by the casino.

[Sithara007]

The hope of being rich is the reason for the poor to gamble and of course the low education factor of course makes it difficult for them to get a job and coupled with the lack of job vacancies, make the poor people prefer gambling as an alternative to earn income, and of course the poor choose to gamble in football matches and playing the lottery every week, with the hope that he will win and earn a lot of money from the game, but gambling is still gambling and winning is a mystery in gambling.

No need to generalize. I know a lot of poor people, who never gamble. On the other hand, I also know a lot of rich guys, who spend a lot of money on lottery tickets. Because being rich is in a relative term. Even those who are considered "rich" want to increase their wealth. Look at the richest person on this planet (Jeff Bezos). He still want to increase his wealth. This is something that is embedded in basic human nature, and everyone wants to be wealthy. And no amount of wealth is enough, even for the richest person in this planet.

[molsewid]

No need to generalize. I know a lot of poor people, who never gamble. On the other hand, I also know a lot of rich guys, who spend a lot of money on lottery tickets. Because being rich is in a relative term. Even those who are considered "rich" want to increase their wealth. Look at the richest person on this planet (Jeff Bezos). He still want to increase his wealth. This is something that is embedded in basic human nature, and everyone wants to be wealthy. And no amount of wealth is enough, even for the richest person in this planet.

I just knew some poor people who were so engaged in gambling not only because they wanted for a big return of their money but because they were enjoying gambling, I mean there's also poor people who were loved to gamble for fun. But of course many of the gambler who used to gamble were expecting for a double return of their money. But if we were going to look back at the reality why a 20% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest part of the country is because most probably of the low revenue that a gambling venues would pay compare to the wealthiest part.

[Poker Player]

Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

This argument may sound better to you, but it is a flawed argument. If the rich gambled more, it wouldn't matter if they paid more rent, because with the profits from putting the bookmakers in richer areas, there would be more than enough to pay for the rent and have more profit. No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:

" Being financially disadvantaged seems to cause people to risk what little money they have available to them in hopes of turning it into a larger sum, thinking that that in turn would improve their financial situation. Sadly, as so often happens, their hopes are not realized and they become worse off than before they gambled."

Source: Gambling Prevalent in Poor Neighborhoods

[Wexnident]

The rich are more accustomed to gambling than the poor the number of poor gamblers is low because they do not have enough capital to gamble. And the rich waste their money on gambling there used to be gambling in our country in the previous era whenever there was a fair there was gambling lottery betting all these were going on now is the modern age. So they have imported casino equipment he earned about lakhs of rupees by gambling who sees his money but the joy of the poor was shattered when his fate betrayed him again.

More accustomed doesn't mean that majority would come from them. I'd actually reckon that majority of the gamblers in casinos come from the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to financial capability. As much as I hate to say it, it is a way for people (or at least they think so) to get rich quickly. It's like they're at that point in time where even trying to work hard has no purpose, and even if they did, nothing would come out from it so they'd go, why not go all in and see what happens right?

[harizen]

No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:

This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

[Betwrong]

No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:

This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

The areas in their entirety aren't poor, because a lot of people live there. Also there are a lot of poor areas in the UK, and well above 10 million people are living there, by various estimations. And don't forget that the UK isn't Africa. Even a poor in the UK has a buck or two to gamble with.

[slaman29]

As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.

What do you mean by hereditary? social problem? I'm not too sure about that?
Poverty has never been passed down to the next generation, even education has different domains so that it cannot be generalized into one generation. For example, my parents earn from being a farmer, and I don't necessarily have a farm income myself, I have income from crypto, is it passed down from generation to generation?

If your parents are smokers, children have a higher chance of becoming a smoker. The same thing happens with drinking, gambling, and other vices. It's a common problem and no surprise because well, if you grow up in such an environment, then you become accustomed to it, you get peer pressured into it, and it becomes normalized.

This isn't about occupation either (although actually in the past, occupations of parents also bear an impact on children, again, at lower income levels). If farmer parents manage to break it to middle class, like you, then great. But if you would still be living on a farm in a lower class family, what would your likely job options be?

Poverty is a huge obstacle...

Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.

[madnessteat]

Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

I don't think it's about reducing the cost of rent as placing a casino in an unfavorable area carries a lot more risk.

Just like rich people, poor people are looking for ways to make money, but unlike rich people, they don't realize that it's almost impossible to make money in a casino. The financial situation of poor people does not allow them to use many of the investment tools that are available to rich people.

[tulusikhlas]

If your parents are smokers, children have a higher chance of becoming a smoker. The same thing happens with drinking, gambling, and other vices. It's a common problem and no surprise because well, if you grow up in such an environment, then you become accustomed to it, you get peer pressured into it, and it becomes normalized.

This isn't about occupation either (although actually in the past, occupations of parents also bear an impact on children, again, at lower income levels). If farmer parents manage to break it to middle class, like you, then great. But if you would still be living on a farm in a lower class family, what would your likely job options be?

Poverty is a huge obstacle...

Poverty is a barrier? you are right, but who wants to be born poor? if we could choose.

Not a few parents of farmers and their children also become farmers, but they are successful. How do you deal with this? Is it poor for you to be a farmer? Unfortunately, we eat from their hard work, without farmers we are just a bunch of slackers who just ask for food on the side of the road.

Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.

Notice the second option I mentioned, meaning I mentioned two options, and you read only one option. I look at it from a two-sided perspective, if it's only one side then you don't like gambling.

[geegaw]

Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

The cost of operating a casino can be high but I don't think the owners will save a bit on the cost of renting the premises, they will even agree to buy the land for ease of management, therefore, the rental cost factor to choose the location of the poor area is not reasonable. Of course, targeting the poor also can't bring a perfect profit with their level of income but the remoteness of an area is a good way to limit legal inquiry and real estate is a golden area no matter where, the average casino can't buy a good piece of land in the center but they can buy the poor's land cheaply by leading the poor into their casino

[smyslov]

According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

This is from UK, I'm not from UK but it could be both they are renting the place cheap and they want to be in a place where there are a lot of people or very populated, there's also a possibility that they targetting sectors from that region because poor people in UK can also play in the gambling establishment, UK is a first world country and people have the means to play in gambling establishment whatever his status in life.

[Kittygalore]

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Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?

Haven't you heard of lottery? Or the praise about lottery that it's also called a poor man's tax? You must be so out of touch that you haven't heard of that, and that's where I get my opinion that it's a way to tax the poor at least in some parts of the country. They're not taxing them in a way dummy, that's just a phrase, kind of like a conspiracy to make people in the marginalized sector pay the government in a way that's not illegal hence the gambling or lottery.

[haidil]

This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

Because of the hardship of life of poor people, they are taking a chance on gambling many gambling establishments are targetting not only poor people but middle income as well that is why they have a location on the poor district, in our district alone there are lottery betting in almost every corner of the street and our government who are running these casinos are making a lot of money.

Government running casinos then letting the poor lose more while gambling? What kind of country targets only the poor and then neglects its economy just to profit from the casinos? then the government enjoys it freely? This is a very bad policy, the government and the rich only do oppression when free casinos are standing without choosing the right location.

[Lucasgabd]

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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

^ I think the cheaper rent, not the poor people were targeted by them. In the first place, how the poor people can able to survive in gambling through financial if they are really poor, it will surely they don't have money. It is because if you have a local currency especially in the third world country compared to the dollar, it has a big value when you are in a third world country. Probably on this topic that was the reason why they are in poor areas just because they know they will survive and long last from the rent. Nevertheless, we cant draw here an exact reason and purpose why they are in a poor country.

As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.

Like it or not, people from a lower economic/social class have less income, and less education, and lower paying jobs. It all trickles into logic. Lower education means lower awareness. Higher vulnerability to social problems also is scientifically known to be passed down generation to generation. A lower income person is more likely to be unaware of the dangers of gambling and therefore spend more to try and win big. Higher income people see gambling as entertainment, lower as a (wrong) means to get rich and out of their problems.

one of the best comments of this thread
totally right.

at some point, some can break the cycle and raise from poverty.

really hope that solutions like Play 2 earn and other solutions can help a better distribution of wealth and more and more people going out of a state of vulnerability

[Davidvictorson]

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.

[Fesatmas]

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.

On the other hand, the government will take further action regarding what they should be warning about, but how do the people there actually benefit from casino funds? does the government still insist on taking action that results in the closure of casinos?

I think the government needs to do some interaction or some kind of interview about it and get a direct response from the people living around the remote towns setting up casinos in England.