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August 28, 2021, 03:08:17 AM
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Mr. Kun, without trying to invade your personal privacy any further, could you perhaps just add a line to your LinkedIn page that says "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk"? You could place it in the About section, for one day.

If you can do this, just as a temporary measure to prove your identity, I will personally apologize to you for calling you a liar and a cheater.

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August 28, 2021, 03:17:48 AM
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Yes, you did a great job and searched for my article written in Chinese in 2018. I am the original author Kun Yuan, and I am also from China.

I have extreme doubts about this. Why would you text spin your own article? Why not just say you were this person from the beginning? You have also taken excerpts from articles that are clearly not yours.

Triffin Dilemma warns us that a monetary system that depends on the currency of a single sovereign country as its only tool in international liquidity will undoubtedly be trapped into Triffin Dilemma.
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Here is the original:



Did you also write this wiki article?  Roll Eyes

Thank you for asking this question. First of all, this is just a sentence on the Triffin Dilemma in the wiki, an introductory sentence. What problem does the Triffin Dilemma solve? You can read my entire article. This sentence is just a declarative language that belongs to the Triffin Dilemma. The point of view in my entire article is to interpret the Bitcoin problem from the perspective of the Triffin Dilemma, and look forward to the future development direction of Bitcoin. From Triffin Dilemma, I interpret that a super-sovereign currency must appear to solve the problems of the current world monetary system. In the future, Bitcoin can definitely grow into a super-sovereign currency.

Here, the Triffin Dilemma is a known historical event and common sense of economics. Anyone with a background in economics can know exactly what the Triffin Dilemma is. This is common sense knowledge. Therefore, this article is also an introduction to common sense knowledge.


For example, I said some introductions of Newton:

In his paper "The Laws of Nature" published in 1687, Newton described universal gravitation and the three laws of motion. These descriptions laid the scientific view of the physical world for the next three centuries and became the foundation of modern engineering.

This is also common-sense physics knowledge. If I put this sentence in my article, is it also plagiarism?

I hope everyone can read my entire article carefully to see what point of view this article expresses, whether this point of view is reasonable, and whether you agree or disagree. Rather than chase and intercept from here, take out every single sentence to see if there is exactly the same description, and then complain about plagiarism.

What I hope to do more with you is the exchange of academics and ideas.



Mr. Kun, without trying to invade your personal privacy any further, could you perhaps just add a line to your LinkedIn page that says "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk"? You could place it in the About section, for one day.

If you can do this, just as a temporary measure to prove your identity, I will personally apologize to you for calling you a liar and a cheater.


I just saw this message you sent, let me edit it again. First of all, I am Kun Yuan himself. The article you posted was published by me in 2018. However, I am not the Senior Algorithm Engineer for Alibaba Group and Google Scholar you mentioned, this person is not me. I also don't have a LinkedIn account. But I can try to use other methods to verify my identity. I also sincerely hope that you can read every one of my articles to understand what kind of person I am.


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August 28, 2021, 03:30:48 AM
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Kunyuan Original Serial 6'' blockchain is a switch for human beings to evolve from carbon-based to silicon-based civilization (https://www.xuehua.us/a/5eb64dfe86ec4d3b43531c61)
There is a QR code at the bottom of the article. I think you can add what you said "KUNYUAN" as a contact to verify if it is the original author. Download a wechat. Why don't you investigate further since this step has been investigated?

I just added KUNYUAN, but no response so far.

I desperately need Rainbowkun to prove himself. This way I can get rid of the alt tags imposed on me.

I tried to reply to that article by Ratimov, but I gave up. That post is too confusing. But ratimov mentioned my name again today, accusing me and them of using the same image conversion website.

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This website is my most frequently used website. Yes, I am Chinese. If you search for "图片转换成链接" in google. sm.ms is the first few searches in google.



Yes, they gave me another tag.. I think I have to go to Ratimov’s post to explain....
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August 28, 2021, 03:46:00 AM
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Mr. Kun, without trying to invade your personal privacy any further, could you perhaps just add a line to your LinkedIn page that says "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk"? You could place it in the About section, for one day.

If you can do this, just as a temporary measure to prove your identity, I will personally apologize to you for calling you a liar and a cheater.


I have sent you a PM and changed one of my social media introduction information according to your requirements. Please check it.

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August 28, 2021, 04:14:52 AM
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In the past four to five years, learning made me a believer of Satoshi Nakamoto and Bitcoin. I’m willing to devote all my energy to Bitcoin. I know bitcointalk is the most precious heritage Satoshi Nakamoto left, so I want to put my in-depth thinking over Bitcoin in here. It’s a sacred thing for me.

I spent most of my time writing during July and August on this forum, striving to publish one article everyday and interact with users. In less than two months, I started a total of 48 topics.

In bitcointalk, I have always adhered to an attitude of peaceful coexistence and communicate with others politely but now I’m suffering vicious assault from Ratimov who condemns me as an alt farmer. That bewildered me as a newbie.

Worse still, there are some people, without learning the truth, deem suppressing newbies as an amusement.

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits? It's the biggest insult to Satoshi Nakamoto.

Now Radimov has carried out the most malicious slander on me. I don't understand why the forum has such scumbag. This is my response:

Ratimov, do not get deluded by pride or hatred

Everyone is supposed to think independently, not be subject to any gossip or slander.


Bitcoin is certainly worthy---so focus on bitcoin.

"peaceful coexistence" doesn't include calling other forum members "scumbags".


"is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies"

Most of us have been newbies and somehow made it through.



I'm a long time member of quite a few forums---I read more than I post on most of them.
I'm also a member of a couple scooter forums----I love motorcycles AND scooters. I grew up around bikers (the type that some may consider "hardcore") and let me tell you...
 those scooter forums can get friggen' ruthless.


There 'used' to be more truth in forums than anywhere else.  Twitter:  @cryptobitchicks  Spock: "I am expressing multiple attitudes simultaneously. To which are you referring?"  INTJ-A
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August 28, 2021, 04:15:13 AM
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To respond to OP title:
Newbie status in the forum does not always reflect that the person behind the account is actually a beginner, especially in this forum. Some ways of writing beginners can be identified that they are actually old members of the forum, or several accounts belonging to one person. So, basically can't be sure whether the newbie account is personally owned by the newbie. That's why there's no difference in privilege between the ranks to be suspect.

To respond to OP accusation.
Because after all sMerit is valuable, and very regrettable if distributed to the wrong people (if proven). You are not constrained to deny accusations as best you can with honest evidence. Sometimes there are things that are impossible to prove because of a principle (eg anonymity) and your evidence can be rejected by some members (perhaps subjectively judged). The final judgment is based on the point of view of each member and the fact that some people don't care about one's reputation.

By the way, will these accusations (account farming) prevent you from writing articles? And after all you write articles for everyone, right? I think this kind of accusation is only disturbing if the accused has a business.

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August 28, 2021, 04:22:16 AM
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Yes, they gave me another tag.. I think I have to go to Ratimov’s post to explain....

I don't see any tag on your account, but you sent a negative one to Timelord over him calling you out though...

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August 28, 2021, 05:40:42 AM
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Because I was really angry at the time, and of course that was the first time I used the trust function. If Rainbowkun’s matter is resolved, I will automatically delete his negative trust.

I don't want to hurt anyone for no reason.
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August 28, 2021, 06:10:31 AM
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Bitcoin is certainly worthy---so focus on bitcoin.

"peaceful coexistence" doesn't include calling other forum members "scumbags".


"is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies"

Most of us have been newbies and somehow made it through.



I'm a long time member of quite a few forums---I read more than I post on most of them.
I'm also a member of a couple scooter forums----I love motorcycles AND scooters. I grew up around bikers (the type that some may consider "hardcore") and let me tell you...
 those scooter forums can get friggen' ruthless.


I think he called him "scumbags" to the person who said he was a liar when he was very angry. Of course, Ratimov also said it when he was angry, but the scum and the liar are still human, just not What a good word.

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August 28, 2021, 06:22:43 AM
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Download a wechat.

How does wechat solve anything? You could easily sockpuppet multiple chats.
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August 28, 2021, 06:39:50 AM
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I think he called him "scumbags" to the person who said he was a liar when he was very angry. Of course, Ratimov also said it when he was angry, but the scum and the liar are still human, just not What a good word.

Yes I would call that the start of a potential flame war.

*and you have completely missed the irony in my prior post


There 'used' to be more truth in forums than anywhere else.  Twitter:  @cryptobitchicks  Spock: "I am expressing multiple attitudes simultaneously. To which are you referring?"  INTJ-A
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August 28, 2021, 07:15:32 AM
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Download a wechat.

How does wechat solve anything? You could easily sockpuppet multiple chats.
The link to the Chinese article mentioned by nutildah above is an article from 2018. Below the article is the author’s contact information: the WeChat QR code.
Just contact him and let him prove that he is rainbowkun.I tried to do this, but there is no response at the moment.

What does "sockpuppet" mean? Is it a technical term?

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August 28, 2021, 07:19:06 AM
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What does "sockpuppet" mean? Is it a technical term?


Sockpuppet means someone creating a few accounts to talk to one another, making it seem like they are all by different person.

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August 28, 2021, 07:26:46 AM
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Download a wechat.

How does wechat solve anything? You could easily sockpuppet multiple chats.
The link to the Chinese article mentioned by nutildah above is an article from 2018. Below the article is the author’s contact information: the WeChat QR code.
Just contact him and let him prove that he is rainbowkun.I tried to do this, but there is no response at the moment.

What does "sockpuppet" mean? Is it a technical term?



Suchmoon is really good at explaining their responses so it won't be long for that.


I think you guys are really new to "western internet" and it can be rough online in the free world. 

This site is tame compared to other places but they are not going to moderate every dispute:
You are going to have to learn how to moderate your own behavior and how to use the ignore feature.

There 'used' to be more truth in forums than anywhere else.  Twitter:  @cryptobitchicks  Spock: "I am expressing multiple attitudes simultaneously. To which are you referring?"  INTJ-A
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August 28, 2021, 07:57:35 AM
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Because I was really angry at the time, and of course that was the first time I used the trust function. If Rainbowkun’s matter is resolved, I will automatically delete his negative trust.

I don't want to hurt anyone for no reason.


And leaving negative trust because you were "angry"  about something someone posted is really bad form.

Trust is for transactions.

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August 28, 2021, 08:01:56 AM
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Yes, you did a great job and searched for my article written in Chinese in 2018. I am the original author Kun Yuan
If you're the original author of this article, it shouldn't be so hard to prove. I can't read the site, but if you're the author, can you just add a link saying something like: "I published this article in English on Bitcointalk, using the name RainbowKun". That would add a lot of credibility to your story.

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August 28, 2021, 08:44:17 AM
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And leaving negative trust because you were "angry"  about something someone posted is really bad form.

Trust is for transactions.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ   *it is at the top of this section
                                                      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0



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                                                      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0

@The Ghoul, while it's understandable that you're angry when someone throws an accusation/ allegation against you, it's not advisable to leave a negative tag/ feedback. Tags are meant for scammers or users that are suspected to be involved in dishonest activities as highlighted by Miracle.

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August 28, 2021, 09:02:08 AM
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I published articles in many media at that time, and some accounts are no longer available.

This is my account on a Chinese encrypted social media, bihu. This link is the article nutildah another searched for. This is the link from that year.This is the link from that year.

https://bihu.com/article/1285422


This is the introduction of my personal homepage, I have put the sentence "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk" on it, you can check it.
https://bihu.com/people/159860


If you're the original author of this article, it shouldn't be so hard to prove. I can't read the site, but if you're the author, can you just add a link saying something like: "I published this article in English on Bitcointalk, using the name RainbowKun". That would add a lot of credibility to your story.
I did this in my media as you wanted, and I posted a short article。
https://m.bihu.com/shortContent/1105603687?i=1CCcaQ&c=2&s=1cP01x

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August 28, 2021, 11:33:23 AM
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You are making the situation more worst. This isn't the right approach to defend yourself. It's a general behavior to creating a thread once we notice something suspicious. Suspicious means perhaps there is something wrong and not yet well-proven. So you may defend and explain it.

I am wondering why are you questioning forum culture? As far as I can see this forum is enough friendly for newbies. But yes, the forum isn't enough friendly for abusers and spammers. I am always quite soft with newbies and I notice most established users are soft as well. There will be always different thoughts, but for a few people, we shouldn't judge overall forum culture anyway.

Don't be aggressive by creating a lot of threads on the same topic. You weren't tagged nor even a single neutral tag I found on your profile. So please handle with care whatever issue you are facing.

Maybe someone can point out to me what was actually suspicious.
The post that RainbowKun linked to had no strong evidence against him, and even admits to that in the first post, other than proving that a subset of users are in China -- and using China as the argument to discredit them. And that some new users give out some of their merits to him, which isn't entirely unexpectable.

It looks like the search for plagiarism against RainbowKun was a witchhunt to get him banned, considering it looks like he posted evidence just now that he indeed authored posts that were claimed to be plagiazisms.

So, what's up?
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August 28, 2021, 11:44:05 AM
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The forum has come a long way and newcomers have always been and will be different. Fraud detectives have also been and will be. If you check old themes, you will be surprised that one person can own a farm with hundreds of alternative accounts.
Newbies are always under scrutiny since in the history of the forum it was they who were scammers, cheaters, etc. The forum is familiar with deception, therefore, "once you get burned on milk you blow on water"
For example, here are a few past topics where dozens of newbie accounts were exposed, abuse of transfer of merit, and more.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5109057.msg49708048#msg49708048
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5052292.msg46990586#msg46990586
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5061591.msg47498423#msg47498423

So stop building drama. The insults that you say about Ratimov are much rougher than what he laid out against you. Are you inviolable?
On the contrary, I was surprised by Ratimov's good nature, with which he generously distributes merit to newcomers, who later went into the ban. And then we see an experienced The Pharmacist looking suspiciously at newcomers. Since the proverb about milk fits here too. Smiley

lovesmayfamilis, I have always respected anyone in the forum, including you, and we have also had some exchanges in the article. I have now cancelled the bad words in this post.But this time I think you are too partial to Ratimov, you did not consider the problem from the perspective of me or a newcomer. At the same time, you are not a victim of this incident, so you cannot understand how the victim feels, how angry the victim is.

For example, to change you to my position, think about it in another way. You have just come to the forum for more than a month. You spend a lot of energy writing articles here every day, publishing an original article every day, and then spending a lot of energy communicating with friends who reply to the article. Gradually you have accumulated a certain reputation in the forum. Then, suddenly one day, a person ran out. He spent 8 days fabricating various data, and finally told everyone loudly: lovesmayfamilis, you are a big liar, you have formed an alt army, you are embezzling the forum Merit, you are deceiving the forum's assets. Then dozens of people swarmed up. This is a big liar, kill him. Then everyone takes a magnifying glass to check each of your posts, verify whether each sentence is plagiarized, and then if there is a sentence that is consistent with the one on the Internet, immediately say that this is a plagiarism, report to the administrator, and put its account Sealed.

Then there are various ways to chase, intercept, and want to kill this account. Isn't this the attack I have encountered in the past two days?

Through this post, the attacker generated a huge sensation, gained more than 50 merits, and gained praise from countless people on the forum. However, I became a liar that everyone shouted and beaten for no reason.

Would you feel angry if you were in this position? Still, it doesn't matter, I can register another account.

During this attack on me, @kxwhalexk was involved. He came to the forum in the past few months and achieved excellent results. As a result, he was regarded as my alt account because the account was blocked for the first post it posted. Why didn’t you close his account on the first day? But after he has worked so hard to create value for the forum for three months and then banned him because of his posts on the first day? Isn't this banning potential newcomers because they are involved in the struggle?

This is the hard work he has achieved in the past three months, but he got involved because of others attacking me. If you stand on my side, won't you be angry in your heart? Are you not disappointed in the forum? Such an excellent newcomer was directly banned because of the attack?

This is why I am complaining here, why the old people of the forum should do everything in their power to suppress the potential newcomers in the forum. This is why I am so disappointed this time. But in the future, I will try my best to adapt to the culture here, because I am a big fan of Bitcoin.



Bitcoin is certainly worthy---so focus on bitcoin.

"peaceful coexistence" doesn't include calling other forum members "scumbags".

"is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies"

Most of us have been newbies and somehow made it through.

I'm a long time member of quite a few forums---I read more than I post on most of them.
I'm also a member of a couple scooter forums----I love motorcycles AND scooters. I grew up around bikers (the type that some may consider "hardcore") and let me tell you...
 those scooter forums can get friggen' ruthless.


_Miracle, hello, I have removed that word now. In the text above, I have described my mental state. I came to bitcointalk with a very sacred attitude. I hope to work with my friends here to promote the idea of Bitcoin and the spirit of Bitcoin. Therefore, I spent a lot of time and energy trying to write and reply to articles every day. To perfect my philosophical thinking about Bitcoin, I have slowly accumulated a certain reputation. However, I was slandered suddenly, saying that I was a big liar and abused the forum's merits. I am really very angry. I feel very disappointed here too. Maybe it was because I thought this place was too bright at the beginning, and I didn't expect the coldness and darkness here. After this incident, I will slowly adapt to the environment in the future. In any case, I am the most loyal fan of Bitcoin.


To respond to OP title:
Newbie status in the forum does not always reflect that the person behind the account is actually a beginner, especially in this forum. Some ways of writing beginners can be identified that they are actually old members of the forum, or several accounts belonging to one person. So, basically can't be sure whether the newbie account is personally owned by the newbie. That's why there's no difference in privilege between the ranks to be suspect.

To respond to OP accusation.
Because after all sMerit is valuable, and very regrettable if distributed to the wrong people (if proven). You are not constrained to deny accusations as best you can with honest evidence. Sometimes there are things that are impossible to prove because of a principle (eg anonymity) and your evidence can be rejected by some members (perhaps subjectively judged). The final judgment is based on the point of view of each member and the fact that some people don't care about one's reputation.

By the way, will these accusations (account farming) prevent you from writing articles? And after all you write articles for everyone, right? I think this kind of accusation is only disturbing if the accused has a business.


Hello, noorman0, thanks for your suggestions. What I want to express here is that although I have given some sMerit to some novices, more of the sMerit are given to higher-level people. At the same time, although I gave it to some novices, I was serious and responsible for every sMerit I sent out. Because they all created effective and valuable comments and conducted various valuable exchanges. I will also organize these comments one after another for everyone to see. Let everyone see if I am sending merits to some spam replies. All my merit records are open and transparent.

Similarly, I write articles and exchanges here every day in order to accumulate my reputation and become friends with more users in the forum. Various businesses will happen in the future. So, when others directly slandered me as a liar, I was very angry.

But no matter what, after this incident, I will continue to write and share my in-depth thinking about Bitcoin. I hope that more friends can share my articles and share the ideas of Bitcoin, because my articles are for everyone in the forum.




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