There isn’t a poker room you could win at ?

[Poker Player]

OP is has some mind problems, just check out his posting history.

No need to give him any advise, he has other problems.  

I have him on ignore, but I've read the OP because I wasn't logged in at that moment.

Assuming what you say makes sense, the explanation I see is as follows:

1) He is referring to varieties of poker such as video poker where you play against the house, not other players, and they are EV-.  Here the only advice is not to play those varieties.

2) He is referring to a high rake, as noted, which would surprise me, and would imply that he is a rakeback player or mediocre winner and the rake makes him lose. As it has been said he can go to another casino that has less rake. Or maybe move down levels to at a level that is easily beatable for him, and where the rake is not likely to be as high as his earnings (this is assuming that where he plays there are lower levels and that the rake does not go up).

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[Maslate]

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

If you have the skills you can do it, and since you have proven it already then you must be good in poker and stay with what you are comfortable of doing and always go with a game where you win most of the time.

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker players where you believe you can win? that's insane.  

[mak013]

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane. 

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

[Betwrong]

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane. 

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

Correct me(anyone) if I'm wrong, but I think it's a common misconception that when you are playing with an online poker bot, the thing is watching you, analyzing your every move, and then exploits your weaknesses. As far as I know, poker bots, with the exception of AI ones, which are too expensive, are preprogrammed to act in accordance with the current situation, without taking into account your previous behavior.

[mak013]

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane. 

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

Correct me(anyone) if I'm wrong, but I think it's a common misconception that when you are playing with an online poker bot, the thing is watching you, analyzing your every move, and then exploits your weaknesses. As far as I know, poker bots, with the exception of AI ones, which are too expensive, are preprogrammed to act in accordance with the current situation, without taking into account your previous behavior.

May be my words were not correct. I meant that the bot has his algo and it does not matter bluffing(for example) you or not for it. They count position, open cards and compare it with tables, answering what to do in any situation.
I`d like to play with expensive bot, but still haven`t seen even one.

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[Betwrong]

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May be my words were not correct. I meant that the bot has his algo and it does not matter bluffing(for example) you or not for it.

Actually, bluffing does matter when you are playing with a simple poker bot. This is the easiest way to beat the machine: always be raising, and if it's re-raising - fold, unless you have something very good. Try it. You'll be surprised how easy you can beat them.

I`d like to play with expensive bot, but still haven`t seen even one.

You can get an impression of what it is like to play with such a bot. Google "poker AI", or search YouTube for something like that. Or, if you have no time for that, click on the image below



It's only a 4 minute video, but it's very informative.

[Maslate]

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane. 

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

They say the house always wins but actually not true, the reality is they win most of the time that's why they are so profitable.

If the perception of the gamblers is that "the house always wins", you are right, no one will gamble because it's called cheating and though gambling is entertaining, no one would be entertained if gamblers always lose their money.

[mak013]

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May be my words were not correct. I meant that the bot has his algo and it does not matter bluffing(for example) you or not for it.

Actually, bluffing does matter when you are playing with a simple poker bot. This is the easiest way to beat the machine: always be raising, and if it's re-raising - fold, unless you have something very good. Try it. You'll be surprised how easy you can beat them.

It seems to easy to be true I think this is possible for really one day casinos that buying bot for $50. Anyway thx for advice, i`ll test it surely, but if it`s so - it will become really dull to play in such casinos.

I`d like to play with expensive bot, but still haven`t seen even one.

You can get an impression of what it is like to play with such a bot. Google "poker AI", or search YouTube for something like that. Or, if you have no time for that, click on the image below



It's only a 4 minute video, but it's very informative.

Thx. i didn`t think that such datacenter can be used for just a poker bot. But AI can be great, it looks the same as chess computers progressed - until they becomes invincible.

[LUCKMCFLY]

~ Yes, in this you are absolutely right, the house will always have the advantage, when it comes to poker when I play I always do it in a very short time, it is for that reason that if you want to bet a lot of money, sometimes some players have the highest bets. they do at the beginning, it is a strategy they use but it is not a guarantee that you will win it 100%.

I would say even more: it's almost 100% that you'll lose all your money if you start playing high stakes or buy-ins, compared to your bankroll. It is considered that for beginners a good bankroll management strategy would be to have at least 50 buy-ins. Some sources suggest to have 100 buy-ins.

When you play PVP poker things change, there you enter another game mode that obviously you have a better chance of winning if you are good at strategy, in fact many people have great talent for poker and usually they always end up winning tournaments or between the top 10.

And even those people lose sometimes because partially poker depends on luck. That's why it's important to have many buy-ins(or big blinds, if you play cash games) to minimize the uncertainty.

You are right, this indicates that there is no effective method by which they follow it to the letter to obtain results, in my case I know that I do not have a special talent for poker, what I know is because I have really been studying a lot, in books, in guides, but experience is what counts the most, although it may be an online game, it has a lot of strategy and I think that success lies in knowing how to predict well what game the opponents may have due to their way of playing Sometimes intuition helps, although it is not decisive.

[Betwrong]

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May be my words were not correct. I meant that the bot has his algo and it does not matter bluffing(for example) you or not for it.

Actually, bluffing does matter when you are playing with a simple poker bot. This is the easiest way to beat the machine: always be raising, and if it's re-raising - fold, unless you have something very good. Try it. You'll be surprised how easy you can beat them.

It seems to easy to be true I think this is possible for really one day casinos that buying bot for $50. Anyway thx for advice, i`ll test it surely, but if it`s so - it will become really dull to play in such casinos.

Playing there is dull indeed, because: firstly, it's not interesting to play against bots; and secondly because the stakes are very small, and if constantly beating those bots you can be earning around $0.1 per hour, or even less. So, it's true, but earning money this way is not easy.

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Thx. i didn`t think that such datacenter can be used for just a poker bot. But AI can be great, it looks the same as chess computers progressed - until they becomes invincible.

Keep in mind that there is a difference between Chess AI and Poker AI. Chess is a perfect information game, while Poker is not. Poker is an imperfect-information game, and it is much harder for a computer to win in such a game. That's why Deep Blue defeated Kasparov in chess as early as in 1997, while the AI called Pluribus has started defeating poker professionals only in 2019.

[Silberman]

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

what do you expect? I mean, they provide the platform in order for you to play against other gamblers/poker players. if the rake is too high for you the only thing you can do is either find a poker site that has a low rake or suck it up.

There is yet another option which is to improve his play to the point he can overcome the rake, I know people hate the rake as if you are in a table playing against players with the same relative amount of skill then the only one that is going to win is the house, this means the OP also needs to learn to identify profitable tables, since poker is a zero sum game then you need players with a lower skill level than your own in order to have a chance of making profits and if that is not the case then it is better to not play.

[Fortify]

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

It's worth considering the actual times that you play and whether there is a deep enough pool of players at the website/app that you are using. Often overlooked but different times of day can yield vastly different results, like you might have a lot of European players on around CEST 6pm-10pm and be able to bank the hardest, but outside of that it might be out of sync with your own best performance. See if you play better in the morning or evening. The player base on each poker program you play can also create vast differences in results, if you're playing against the same group of players on a small site with say 250 active users at any time, then you might struggle against real committed sharks, so go for a bigger pool where you're much more likely to find easy fish swimming around.

[acroman08]

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seeing that OP is complaining here instead of looking for a poker casino that has a low rake. I doubt he'll even make an effort to improve his skills. also, I have a feeling that he only posted this thread so that he could rant and not actually find a solution to his "problem"(like he always does on his other posts here in the forum).

[Reatim]

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seeing that OP is complaining here instead of looking for a poker casino that has a low rake. I doubt he'll even make an effort to improve his skills. also, I have a feeling that he only posted this thread so that he could rant and not actually find a solution to his "problem"(like he always does on his other posts here in the forum).

Lol what can we expect from a Troll account  looking at His tag history you'll find what is the main objective of this thread.

actually Look at Him , making this thread and never comes back to even protect His interest if he is asking legitimately?

sounds funny how he acted in this forum for quite a long now.

[mak013]

It seems to easy to be true I think this is possible for really one day casinos that buying bot for $50. Anyway thx for advice, i`ll test it surely, but if it`s so - it will become really dull to play in such casinos.

Playing there is dull indeed, because: firstly, it's not interesting to play against bots; and secondly because the stakes are very small, and if constantly beating those bots you can be earning around $0.1 per hour, or even less. So, it's true, but earning money this way is not easy.

Yes, it looks so. I don`t even want to waste time for such profit and boring playing. Mostly i`m playing with human or sometimes free-roll tourneys if i want fun.

Keep in mind that there is a difference between Chess AI and Poker AI. Chess is a perfect information game, while Poker is not. Poker is an imperfect-information game, and it is much harder for a computer to win in such a game. That's why Deep Blue defeated Kasparov in chess as early as in 1997, while the AI called Pluribus has started defeating poker professionals only in 2019.

Surely, it`s so. Poker gives more chances to win for human, but AI counts perfect and even if he have algo from what position and with what hand to play - it becomes at least difficult.

[Silberman]

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seeing that OP is complaining here instead of looking for a poker casino that has a low rake. I doubt he'll even make an effort to improve his skills. also, I have a feeling that he only posted this thread so that he could rant and not actually find a solution to his "problem"(like he always does on his other posts here in the forum).

I am not familiar with the OP so I did not knew this was a tendency for them, however most of the time this is the only way to solve issues like this one, after all compared to other gambling games the poker alternatives are more limited and if you want to become profitable it will be difficult to expect for the house to reduce their rake or for other players to reduce their skill level, so the only viable alternative is to raise our skill level to the point we can overcome both of those obstacles.

[Desmong]

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

Op wants to beat the house, house unfriendly do you think you can achieve that? The house knows what you are capable of doing, your next move and the total outcome your could possibly reach. Winning the house will take enough playing and timing with more directive effort. You can't just win like, you need time and strategy.

[DoublerHunter]

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

Op wants to beat the house, house unfriendly do you think you can achieve that? The house knows what you are capable of doing, your next move and the total outcome your could possibly reach. Winning the house will take enough playing and timing with more directive effort. You can't just win like, you need time and strategy.

^ Fighting against the house edge is not a good idea in the long term, the longer you expose the high chances that you will lose. Playing poker through real players in a room is the best choice and it is called a p2p poker game. There is no time limit and strategy that you will have if you know that fighting in the house edge is not good in the long term. So, if this is for entertainment that is good. I don't know how it is the method but there are few gamblers that I have heard that it is good to fight house edge because it has a lot of money.

[Betwrong]

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seeing that OP is complaining here instead of looking for a poker casino that has a low rake. I doubt he'll even make an effort to improve his skills. also, I have a feeling that he only posted this thread so that he could rant and not actually find a solution to his "problem"(like he always does on his other posts here in the forum).

There’s no specific site on OP though but if he always lose at the house, something is wrong on the way he play. Other site have a lower rake but still they are losing money because they didn’t know how to play Poker properly and probably, this is the problem of OP. Even though he says he can win agains the other players I doubt on this.

I agree. For someone who can beat others in poker, house edge(or rake) shouldn't be a big problem long as it is within reasonable limits. Online poker sites usually take from 2.5% to 10% of the pot, and I personally think that 10% is too much, but even 10% will not stop you from winning if you are really good at poker. Nevertheless, regardless of how good you are, I'd recommend playing on sites with 7% rake or lower.