[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi

[bekti3]

this is unique, because this is the first time I see a thread about chess matches because I really like this game and I am interested in discussing a lot about this.
On the other hand, regarding this match, if you look at a survey conducted by chess.com some time ago, around 84% support the defending champion and the remaining 16% want a new champion.

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[qwertyup23]

this is unique, because this is the first time I see a thread about chess matches because I really like this game and I am interested in discussing a lot about this.
On the other hand, regarding this match, if you look at a survey conducted by chess.com some time ago, around 84% support the defending champion and the remaining 16% want a new champion.

To be honest, this is to be expected given the experience of Magnus in the pressure of facing the WC matches. Imagine, you are fighting for the WC title against the arguably the best chess player ever to touch the board. Given also the age of engines and computers, the fact that Magnus can still convert drawish positions to a win speaks a lot about his natural talent and instincts on the game.

Like what I previously mentioned, while Magnus is definitely favored to win, I am sure Nepo has prepared tons of preparation under his sleeve given that he is a very aggressive and unorthodox player which might caught Magnus off-guard (though I highly doubt so).

[Zilon]

I have never followed a chess tournament up before I think this would be my first time discussing chess on the forum thanks for the update. Nepo is having a higher odd while Magnus is been favoured to win and since it's gambling both side isn't safe to bet on so I just take the risk and go for Nepo while I wait the outcome

[mm2543363580]

Honestly, I don't know what I can say in this thread, even though I can play chess, but  I personally don't even follow the existing chess matches, because for me personally, playing chess is more fun than watching other people play, but I'm interested to see the match for the world chess champion between Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen, and I hope someone will share a streaming link to be able to watch the match, because in my place there is not a single local television broadcasting chess matches so far.

Since there is no aspect of life where we don't have gambling that's why we are seeing this thread. Few days back I saw a thread where person was looking for a site that support betting on French elections. AFAIK, chess is very lengthy game and there is no time limit for this game. So you have to spend your complete day in watching and betting on this championship unless there is time limit for the match.

[7788bitcoin]

Since there is no aspect of life where we don't have gambling that's why we are seeing this thread. Few days back I saw a thread where person was looking for a site that support betting on French elections. AFAIK, chess is very lengthy game and there is no time limit for this game. So you have to spend your complete day in watching and betting on this championship unless there is time limit for the match.

If users are interested to wage a bet, the punters will be happy to open the odds for the match and i have not watched a world championship chess match live and i never placed a bet on chess but it would be interesting.

Even if you want to wage a bet, it is not necessarily important for you to be glued in the match all the time and i do not have the patience to watch long matches. 

[TravelMug]

Honestly, I don't know what I can say in this thread, even though I can play chess, but  I personally don't even follow the existing chess matches, because for me personally, playing chess is more fun than watching other people play, but I'm interested to see the match for the world chess champion between Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen, and I hope someone will share a streaming link to be able to watch the match, because in my place there is not a single local television broadcasting chess matches so far.

Since there is no aspect of life where we don't have gambling that's why we are seeing this thread. Few days back I saw a thread where person was looking for a site that support betting on French elections. AFAIK, chess is very lengthy game and there is no time limit for this game. So you have to spend your complete day in watching and betting on this championship unless there is time limit for the match.

What do you mean no time limit? Yes, this might be a lengthy game, but eventually they have to settle the game, either by a win by Carlsen the favourite, or a if Nepomniachtchi can salvage a draw (good odds).

Well, you can just put your bet on it without watching the game itself and just check the results at the end of the day if you are a very busy person but love to bet on chess game.

[mm2543363580]

What do you mean no time limit? Yes, this might be a lengthy game, but eventually they have to settle the game, either by a win by Carlsen the favourite, or a if Nepomniachtchi can salvage a draw (good odds).

Well, you can just put your bet on it without watching the game itself and just check the results at the end of the day if you are a very busy person but love to bet on chess game.

Just like in cricket and football there is a time limit in which game must finish, is this also the case in chess or players can take as much time as they want?
If it has no time limit then very few can watch the complete game. May be this was reason why not many are interested in live streaming of this game. I don't know much about these players but I can place bet if I see the odds.

[MrcMrc]

first time i see chess on this part of the forum too
would be really interesting to have more discussions about gambling on chess games

are there active platforms to bet on chess games?
where is the best place to watch these?

maybe the reason why this is not being actively discussed in this forum is because even top bookies here are not listing chess in their list.
but you can check these sites - cryptobetting.net & bitcasinosreviews for possible bookies that may list chess

but already checked at stake and they dont have this event yet.

however, you can check cloudbet with odds of 1.27 vs 3.55, in favour of carlsen

Could that be the reason for chess unpopular and at that chess players preferred to play it physically but for the event of covid 19 and social distance rules in place many players are now considering play chess online.

[bekti3]

this is unique, because this is the first time I see a thread about chess matches because I really like this game and I am interested in discussing a lot about this.
On the other hand, regarding this match, if you look at a survey conducted by chess.com some time ago, around 84% support the defending champion and the remaining 16% want a new champion.

To be honest, this is to be expected given the experience of Magnus in the pressure of facing the WC matches. Imagine, you are fighting for the WC title against the arguably the best chess player ever to touch the board. Given also the age of engines and computers, the fact that Magnus can still convert drawish positions to a win speaks a lot about his natural talent and instincts on the game.

Like what I previously mentioned, while Magnus is definitely favored to win, I am sure Nepo has prepared tons of preparation under his sleeve given that he is a very aggressive and unorthodox player which might caught Magnus off-guard (though I highly doubt so).

as you said even though some time ago nepo won the FIDE Candidates Tournament 2020-2021 very well but to fight magnus is a different matter, in all respects Magnus is very superior and will not be overtaken by nepo.
even though nepo is a good chess player and his style is distinctive but Magnus is a level above with calculations and natural talent that he has.
but it's really worth watching because it's something good especially when it comes to fighting for a pretty prestigious title

[Lucasgabd]

I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger.

these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things
I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain

[24Kt]

I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger.

these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things
I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain

These chess players have been doing this activity most of their lives, so they are used to think 5 steps ahead and beyond. This is not for people who has short temper as you will really get a headache thinking about the moves. But the game will be interesting once there are only few pieces left on the board.

If you have strong notion with Carlsen, you can bet on him, and just wait for the day to be over to see the results.

[qwertyup23]

I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger.

these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things
I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain

These GMs have a different calculation speed on their own- like it is really out of this world on how they can calculate 5-6 moves ahead than any of normal players, even 2000+ rated ones also.

The difference between a 2600 rated GM against a 2700 GM is staggering. This has been continuously witnessed on Agadmator's channel on FB where the top 20 chess players went again 2600 GMs and the latter got completely destroyed.

Magnus Carlsen, on the other hand, has a different feel in chess- like it is his natural instincts to play those moves. I really suggest that you watch him play bullet chess in lichess (tons of videos on YouTube) where you can see their calculation speed and pattern recognition.

[Alisha-k]

I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger.

these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things
I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain

Chess is one of those games that builds your intellect. these calculations didn't just spring up over night it took years of dedicated learning. People study chess as a course in colleges.i haven't watched neither Carlsen nor Nepomniachtchi to do my predictions but i still don't know why most people are going for Carlsen. Chess isn't like other games here the best tactics with accurate calculation wins

[alegotardo]

It's the first time I've seen a chess post in the gambling section, or perhaps I've missed one.

It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments.
At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement.

Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen.

[aoluain]

I have seen a few Chess tournaments, the level of skill these players are at is mind blowing.
I can play Chess but at a "hobby" level and certainly not regularly enough to improve my skills.
To be able to think many moves ahead is one thing but to be able to calculate potential moves
your opponent has and be ready to counter them is another. Serious skills needed.

Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that.

[molsewid]

It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments.
At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement.

Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen.

I'm maybe sole person here in this thread who were not that passionate about this game, I mean I didn't even try to play this game, I don't know the basic rule about this game and yeah this is also the first time I have read a thread that was created intended for Chess Game solely, and even I am not that fan of Chess it's nice seeing this kind of thread here in forum. I know this type of game is for intelligent and critical thinker that's why I think I'm not belong to this game, kidding aside. However, upon researching about the player involve I do also think that Carlsen has the advantage over Nepomniachtchi.

[qwertyup23]

It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments.
At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement.

Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen.

I'm maybe sole person here in this thread who were not that passionate about this game, I mean I didn't even try to play this game, I don't know the basic rule about this game and yeah this is also the first time I have read a thread that was created intended for Chess Game solely, and even I am not that fan of Chess it's nice seeing this kind of thread here in forum. I know this type of game is for intelligent and critical thinker that's why I think I'm not belong to this game, kidding aside. However, upon researching about the player involve I do also think that Carlsen has the advantage over Nepomniachtchi.

It is not that chess is for 'intelligent' and 'critical thinkers' as anyone can play the game as long as you know the moves of each pieces! The advantage of playing chess stems from your cognitive abilities and concentration as it really is mentally tiring to calculate 4-5 moves ahead from your next move. While most sports are physical in nature, chess is the game of mental strength and fortitude as chess players play more than 7 hours per game depending on the time format (e.g. classical, rapid, bullet, etc.).

I have been playing chess ever since I was still in grade school but I still consider myself as someone who is still a newbie at the game due to its complexity and techniques involved. The fact that chess has been getting its recognition slowly over the years is definitely a step forward on its community.

[Boristhecat]

Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that.

Where did you see this information? In fact, the prize money is much higher:

The prize fund is US$ 2 million split 60% vs 40% between winner and loser. If the match is tied after 14 classical games, the prize fund will be split 55% vs 45% in favor of the tiebreak winner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2021

So, about 24 hours before the start of the first game. I studied many bookmakers (including fiat ones) and was surprised that none of them (even the largest ones) offer bets on the outcome of the first game. It is possible to place bets only on secondary indicators such as the number of moves, whether a check will be announced, etc. Does the outcome of separate games look so unpredictable to the bookmakers that they don't offer any odds?

[aoluain]

Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that.

Where did you see this information? In fact, the prize money is much higher:

The prize fund is US$ 2 million split 60% vs 40% between winner and loser. If the match is tied after 14 classical games, the prize fund will be split 55% vs 45% in favor of the tiebreak winner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2021

So, about 24 hours before the start of the first game. I studied many bookmakers (including fiat ones) and was surprised that none of them (even the largest ones) offer bets on the outcome of the first game. It is possible to place bets only on secondary indicators such as the number of moves, whether a check will be announced, etc. Does the outcome of separate games look so unpredictable to the bookmakers that they don't offer any odds?

You are correct, I checked it on > https://www.chess.com/article/view/world-chess-championship-2021

Prize Fund

The prize fund will be $2 million euros. The winner will earn 60 percent of the prize fund,
and 40 percent will go to the runner-up. If the match ends in a tie after 14 games and a tiebreak
will decide matters, the winner receives 55 percent and the runner-up 45 percent.

Before the start of the match, each player receives two hundred thousand euros as an
upfront payment of his eventual prize money. If the match is played in the country of one
of the players, then the foreign player receives one hundred thousand euros of the
prize fund and the remaining prize money is shared as stated above.

That would make more sense the current prize fund, I think I was looking at Wikipedia 2019.

It sounds like the bookies possibly cannot cover all the possible bets. Would it be
bizzare for someone to walk in to a betting shop and place a bet on the World Chess Championship?

[Lucasgabd]

I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger.

these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things
I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain

These GMs have a different calculation speed on their own- like it is really out of this world on how they can calculate 5-6 moves ahead than any of normal players, even 2000+ rated ones also.

The difference between a 2600 rated GM against a 2700 GM is staggering. This has been continuously witnessed on Agadmator's channel on FB where the top 20 chess players went again 2600 GMs and the latter got completely destroyed.

Magnus Carlsen, on the other hand, has a different feel in chess- like it is his natural instincts to play those moves. I really suggest that you watch him play bullet chess in lichess (tons of videos on YouTube) where you can see their calculation speed and pattern recognition.

will search for that
thanks for the references

never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk

I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones
useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking