[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi

[Lucasgabd]

War is horrible and stupid
there's people who support it
I don't support them
but I think horrible and stupid people should be allowed to play chess (and get good at it)
hopefully learning and playing chess will even help to make them less horrible and stupid

But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it).

well, the chess federation forbids them
my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much
their skills matter.

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[blockman]

War is horrible and stupid
there's people who support it
I don't support them
but I think horrible and stupid people should be allowed to play chess (and get good at it)
hopefully learning and playing chess will even help to make them less horrible and stupid

But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it).

well, the chess federation forbids them
my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much
their skills matter.

This isn't just for chess but also for other sports. Russians have been now banned in many sporting events due to the war that has been ongoing even up to this point.
It's part of the sanction that they're getting but it's true that those that are not really involved should be allowed to play not because they're on this race or that because they also have their disagreement to what currently is happening.

[Boristhecat]

But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it).

well, the chess federation forbids them
my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much
their skills matter.

It is not true. The chess federation doesn't want to play with them. And these supporters of the war themselves can play with anyone and even establish their own chess federation. You confuse situations when someone's rights are violated with the actual case when the Chess Federation tries to defend its right. I do not want to play chess with someone - this is my right, and I do not violate the rights of this someone in any way. This is the principle at work here.

[Theones]

It is not true. The chess federation doesn't want to play with them. And these supporters of the war themselves can play with anyone and even establish their own chess federation. You confuse situations when someone's rights are violated with the actual case when the Chess Federation tries to defend its right. I do not want to play chess with someone - this is my right, and I do not violate the rights of this someone in any way. This is the principle at work here.

I am amazed to see so many sections on Russia - but someone who request US/ Israel to put an end to the war on Muslims as well, who have been suffering for long. I have grown up seeing Afghan/ US war for last 20 years. The world has dual standards for war. If its white skin they should be protected - whatsoever.

[STT]

Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams.  Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally.
   I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be.  That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly.

[Theones]

Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams.  Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally.
   I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be.  That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly.

Your point is valid - but the powerful will keep surpassing the weak and this is going everywhere.
I would suggest - Russia to take a neutral stance on it and discuss things with dialogue rather then deadlock. But war not a solution.

[Lucasgabd]

But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it).

well, the chess federation forbids them
my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much
their skills matter.

It is not true. The chess federation doesn't want to play with them. And these supporters of the war themselves can play with anyone and even establish their own chess federation. You confuse situations when someone's rights are violated with the actual case when the Chess Federation tries to defend its right. I do not want to play chess with someone - this is my right, and I do not violate the rights of this someone in any way. This is the principle at work here.

cancellation culture at its finest.

Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams.  Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally.
   I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be.  That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly.

interesting take! this brings us on a "sovereign individual" situation where people have incentives to be a citizen on some countries or even to stop being a citizen of other countries
quite interesting to think about it

Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams.  Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally.
   I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be.  That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly.

Your point is valid - but the powerful will keep surpassing the weak and this is going everywhere.
I would suggest - Russia to take a neutral stance on it and discuss things with dialogue rather then deadlock. But war not a solution.

was is always the worst possible outcome.

[Theones]

was is always the worst possible outcome.

having discussed all this - and so many bans on Russia already. Do you think world can cut off from Russia?
That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well?

[Lucasgabd]

was is always the worst possible outcome.

having discussed all this - and so many bans on Russia already. Do you think world can cut off from Russia?
That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well?

until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could...
but well, maybe enough of war?

would love to get back to chess on this thread.

including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too

[LUCKMCFLY]

Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams.  Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally.
   I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be.  That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly.

Your point is valid - but the powerful will keep surpassing the weak and this is going everywhere.
I would suggest - Russia to take a neutral stance on it and discuss things with dialogue rather then deadlock. But war not a solution.

Well you're right, although there is something I don't understand, what neutral point are you talking about? I do not understand very well in what area you are saying it, you mean that a neutral point is that Russian athletes must renounce their nationality to ensure their career, represent another country, because I think that in Belarus they will also have their ban, or if it is that he already has it, on the other hand, if they don't do anything about it, all the Russian athletes who are very good, not only in chess but in any sport, should give him a golden opportunity so that they don't lose all the effort of a lifetime training a sport.

[Theones]

Well you're right, although there is something I don't understand, what neutral point are you talking about? I do not understand very well in what area you are saying it, you mean that a neutral point is that Russian athletes must renounce their nationality to ensure their career, represent another country, because I think that in Belarus they will also have their ban, or if it is that he already has it, on the other hand, if they don't do anything about it, all the Russian athletes who are very good, not only in chess but in any sport, should give him a golden opportunity so that they don't lose all the effort of a lifetime training a sport.

I think the more focus should be on peace. The world is surfing a lot. Earlier due to Corona and not these wars and sanctions. Which are affecting each and every domain. By neutral stance means they should not be aggressive and listen to other and help to reduce tension. Sooner or later this war will end, But of course soon the better.

[Boristhecat]

Well you're right, although there is something I don't understand, what neutral point are you talking about? I do not understand very well in what area you are saying it, you mean that a neutral point is that Russian athletes must renounce their nationality to ensure their career, represent another country, because I think that in Belarus they will also have their ban, or if it is that he already has it, on the other hand, if they don't do anything about it, all the Russian athletes who are very good, not only in chess but in any sport, should give him a golden opportunity so that they don't lose all the effort of a lifetime training a sport.

I think the more focus should be on peace. The world is surfing a lot. Earlier due to Corona and not these wars and sanctions. Which are affecting each and every domain. By neutral stance means they should not be aggressive and listen to other and help to reduce tension. Sooner or later this war will end, But of course soon the better.

It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions.

[Theones]

It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions.

Correct but then again everyone nation has their own interests and their definition of peace.
When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine?

[alegotardo]

Correct but then again everyone nation has their own interests and their definition of peace.
When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine?

But there's a detail that makes a lot of difference, because in the countries you mentioned, the war is mainly caused by terrorist groups (forgive me if I'm saying something wrong due to my ignorance).
In the situation between Russia and Ukraine, the war is being led by a country that until then had a certain reputation to uphold.
It has nothing to do with white or black people.

[Naficopa]

Correct but then again everyone nation has their own interests and their definition of peace.
When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine?

But there's a detail that makes a lot of difference, because in the countries you mentioned, the war is mainly caused by terrorist groups (forgive me if I'm saying something wrong due to my ignorance).
In the situation between Russia and Ukraine, the war is being led by a country that until then had a certain reputation to uphold.
It has nothing to do with white or black people.

Really?? Do you really think those are terrorists which brought US to Afghanistan  - 20 years and they were unable to catch a few group of people. Seems like that group is more stronger than super powers though.
20 years of invasion on Afghanistan. One country freedom fighter is other country traitors. So everyone has their definition for defence. But this is no justification.

[Viscore]

I just read this morning that an Indian 16 year old teenager Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa managed to beat Magnus Carlsen in a Blitz Chess tournament. He is only one of three Indians grandmasters who managed to beat Carlsen. Blitz chess and normal chess games are very different, the players don't have the time at hand to think too deep about moves ahead. It is much easier to make mistakes. In a traditional tournament Carlsen would have probably won. But still, such a big win at such a young age his a pretty big boost for his self esteem. I hope he will keep training and maybe go for a world championship match vs Carlsen at one point. Now I am wondering how this Carlsen loss will impact betting on matches in the future. It is just a matter of time until we have a new world chess champion.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html

That's actually pretty cool, you've got a bragging rights that you've beat the World Champion. Ramesh will definitely be a big player if he continues and pursues chess and becomes a competitive player, this win easily gave him a spotlight and people are going to expect, now that you mention it, I'd love to see him fight Carlsen in a standard match.

This is a big achievement for India as Rameshbabu will bring recognition to his own country. People might have been amazed that Ramesh at his young age, he's already a grandmaster and is able to win against the current world champion in chess. If he will keep on improving his talent with a lots of trainings, i guess in no time, he will be the new world champion at a very young age. Ramesh has a very bright future ahead, hopefully he can reach his goals in life with all his determination and persistence.

[Cryptock]

I just read this morning that an Indian 16 year old teenager Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa managed to beat Magnus Carlsen in a Blitz Chess tournament. He is only one of three Indians grandmasters who managed to beat Carlsen. Blitz chess and normal chess games are very different, the players don't have the time at hand to think too deep about moves ahead. It is much easier to make mistakes. In a traditional tournament Carlsen would have probably won. But still, such a big win at such a young age his a pretty big boost for his self esteem. I hope he will keep training and maybe go for a world championship match vs Carlsen at one point. Now I am wondering how this Carlsen loss will impact betting on matches in the future. It is just a matter of time until we have a new world chess champion.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html

That's actually pretty cool, you've got a bragging rights that you've beat the World Champion. Ramesh will definitely be a big player if he continues and pursues chess and becomes a competitive player, this win easily gave him a spotlight and people are going to expect, now that you mention it, I'd love to see him fight Carlsen in a standard match.

This is a big achievement for India as Rameshbabu will bring recognition to his own country. People might have been amazed that Ramesh at his young age, he's already a grandmaster and is able to win against the current world champion in chess. If he will keep on improving his talent with a lots of trainings, i guess in no time, he will be the new world champion at a very young age. Ramesh has a very bright future ahead, hopefully he can reach his goals in life with all his determination and persistence.

indians have a very sharp mind. They are excelling in every field it is good to learn that young kids are showing some interest in chess.
But since kids are more into online gaming it is getting more attention, the kids are smart and fast these days so they don't like wasting their time. They do so many things at one time

[Boristhecat]

It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions.

Correct but then again everyone nation has their own interests and their definition of peace.
When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine?

Let's not add watbautism to this topic, because then we will endlessly jump from one topic to another. At the moment, all countries of the world have a consensus on the crimes of Russia, some countries like the occupied Belarus support the war of conquest, but the majority have a clear position on the ongoing events.
The longer this drags on, the more isolated Russia will fall, how many chess players or other athletes from North Korea do you know?

[gagux123]

Guys, I'm a total noob and inexperienced with regards to chess.
Could anyone tell me which platforms or websites you watch these matches on?

Is it on Youtube!!? Any other relevant information!!??

[Theones]

It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions.

Correct but then again everyone nation has their own interests and their definition of peace.
When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine?

Let's not add watbautism to this topic, because then we will endlessly jump from one topic to another. At the moment, all countries of the world have a consensus on the crimes of Russia, some countries like the occupied Belarus support the war of conquest, but the majority have a clear position on the ongoing events.
The longer this drags on, the more isolated Russia will fall, how many chess players or other athletes from North Korea do you know?

Today I got a chance to  Ukrainian friend - they said - all the women have left the country - while men are staying behind to help army.
The Russian are stealing their everything - which include food and pans as well. I failed to understand why they are doing that.