[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi

[nakamura12]

will search for that
thanks for the references

never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk

I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones
useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking

You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you  and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.

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[Davidvictorson]

will search for that
thanks for the references

never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk

I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones
useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking

You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you  and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.

Nepo is way more stronger then Magnus no doubt .In tactically & imbalance position Magnus sucks but in positions where nothing much happening he can outplay you with his masterful technique . Nepo gonna give hard time to Magnus with sharp play throughout matches.

[Lucasgabd]

will search for that
thanks for the references

never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk

I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones
useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking

You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you  and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.

next level
yes, I know about the clock/time rules

the level of knowledge they have of the board and skill needed to have the full board with moving pieces on their heads is really amazing

I've heard about people playing in their heads without physical boards before, but never playing multiples like that

[aoluain]

The press conference from today, the opening day is up on youtube now, link >
https://youtu.be/gkO3Ms9djf4

It seems to me that the mind games have started already before the first game
in 2 days time, both players are asked about comments they previously made
about their opponent, they are not positive comments it seems like boxers
facing off each other pre-match but with words.

[Boristhecat]

Today the draw took place and now it is known who will play in which game with which color.
Therefore, bookmakers' quotes for separate games began to appear.
Game one: Nepomniachtchi plays with white pieces.
Bookmaker quotes:

3,8 - 1,43 - 7,3

1.43 for a draw !? How is this possible?
Let me remind you that in the previous world championship match all 12 classic games ended in a draw. Is this really easy money?

[Lucasgabd]

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1.43 for a draw !? How is this possible?
Let me remind you that in the previous world championship match all 12 classic games ended in a draw. Is this really easy money?

sometimes, it is
remember when Trump had clearly no more chances of winning the elections but people could still bet on it using FTX or some other websites?
that was just free alpha, capitalizing on the inefficiencies of the market.

[Cling18]

Honestly, I don't know what I can say in this thread, even though I can play chess, but  I personally don't even follow the existing chess matches, because for me personally, playing chess is more fun than watching other people play, but I'm interested to see the match for the world chess champion between Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen, and I hope someone will share a streaming link to be able to watch the match because in my place there is not a single local television broadcasting chess matches so far.

I've been looking for resources to watch their match as well. I used to play chess before and I find it so fun and entertaining but it would be more exciting to watch chess champions in a single match. I would put my hope in Carlsen on this match but I guess it would really be tough for both of them.

[qwertyup23]

So game 1 just ended and it is expected that it would end up with a draw. It was an interesting match though especially around in move 10-13 where Nepo was surprised with that rook to b8 move. He definitely fell into the preparation of magnus where they played the Spanish opening with black a pawn down. But the pawn structures of black were connected and strong.

Like what they always say in end games, it is the quality of pawns (vs quantity) that wins games. But Nepo managed to draw the game due to a three-fold repetition. I definitely can't wait for game 2 tomorrow!

[South Park]

Can we even watch a full game of chess on TV? I mean I play chess and it can be an entertaining game but it is going to be difficult to fill hours of air time when most of the time nothing happens, the commentators would have to fill the time with endless variations about what each player could do in response to what is on the board and that would be incredibly boring

it would definitely be a bit boring to watch a full normal game on TV but maybe on internet in 2x or a "best moments" video
forgot that real life chess is not like "the queen's gambit" on netflix

really good series by the way...

Not only chess can be very entertaining, what goes outside of the board can be as interesting or even more interesting, probably chess has never been more popular around the world than when the match of the century took place between Spassky and Fisher on 1972, the match had all what you may want from it, it had brilliant play of course, but it had a lot of drama as it was one of the many indirect battles of the Cold War, so the US and the USSR were heavily interested on their players victory and this created a world interest that we have not seen since then.

[TimeTeller]

Can we even watch a full game of chess on TV? I mean I play chess and it can be an entertaining game but it is going to be difficult to fill hours of air time when most of the time nothing happens, the commentators would have to fill the time with endless variations about what each player could do in response to what is on the board and that would be incredibly boring

it would definitely be a bit boring to watch a full normal game on TV but maybe on internet in 2x or a "best moments" video
forgot that real life chess is not like "the queen's gambit" on netflix

really good series by the way...

Not only chess can be very entertaining, what goes outside of the board can be as interesting or even more interesting, probably chess has never been more popular around the world than when the match of the century took place between Spassky and Fisher on 1972, the match had all what you may want from it, it had brilliant play of course, but it had a lot of drama as it was one of the many indirect battles of the Cold War, so the US and the USSR were heavily interested on their players victory and this created a world interest that we have not seen since then.

Many people are not interested in this sports because of its slow pace.
However, you are right, if we have the same scenario like the Cold War before, a lot of people will get their interest to this sports.
In this digital age, hard to get the attention of millennials now. Their attention is getting short.

[aoluain]

Ah its definitely a niche sport but I would say it would be the pinnacle of the Gaming world,
would I be correct in that theory even though it might not be the most popular?

The first game ended in a draw >
 https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/26/magnus-carlsen-ian-nepomniachtchi-world-chess-championship-game-one-news-report

As with most sports the difference between #1 to say #5 is not massive, this championship
could be a close fought affair.

[Boristhecat]

So game 1 just ended and it is expected that it would end up with a draw. It was an interesting match though especially around in move 10-13 where Nepo was surprised with that rook to b8 move. He definitely fell into the preparation of magnus where they played the Spanish opening with black a pawn down. But the pawn structures of black were connected and strong.

Like what they always say in end games, it is the quality of pawns (vs quantity) that wins games. But Nepo managed to draw the game due to a three-fold repetition. I definitely can't wait for game 2 tomorrow!

It really was easy money (I wish I could find a crypto bookmaker who would accept a bet on this event), 1,43 - these are crazy draw odds in classical chess.
As for the rook move to b8, this is a normal move and this is only a consequence of Nepo's mistake (bishop f4), after the exchanges Magnus could win the game with an unobvious move a5, but he could not find it and the game ended in a draw.

Today's odds of the outcome of the second game are no less crazy:
3.60 - 1.43 - 10.0

[Lucasgabd]

if anybody is interested on checking the PNG of the game found it on yotube in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFThQFRZJNs

Code:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. h3
Na5 9. Nxe5 Nxb3 10. axb3 Bb7 11. d3 d5 12. exd5 Qxd5 13. Qf3 Bd6 14. Kf1 Rfb8
15. Qxd5 Nxd5 16. Bd2 c5 17. Nf3 Rd8 18. Nc3 Nb4 19. Rec1 Rac8 20. Ne2 Nc6 21.
Be3 Ne7 22. Bf4 Bxf3 23. gxf3 Bxf4 24. Nxf4 Rc6 25. Re1 Nf5 26. c3 Nh4 27. Re3
Kf8 28. Ng2 Nf5 29. Re5 g6 30. Ne1 Ng7 31. Re4 f5 32. Re3 Ne6 33. Ng2 b4 34. Ke2
Rb8 35. Kd2 bxc3+ 36. bxc3 Rxb3 37. Kc2 Rb7 38. h4 Kf7 39. Ree1 Kf6 40. Ne3 Rd7
41. Nc4 Re7 42. Ne5 Rd6 43. Nc4 Rc6 44. Ne5 Rd6 45. Nc4

what is the prize for the 2nd place? or is it a winner takes all?


by the way if anybody here is on lichess message me here and I can tell you my user there, I've been playing some correspondence games with friends now and then and it's a lot of fun
with 24-48 hours to make each move.

[qwertyup23]

Game 2 just ended and like what David Howell said, this game was just a roller coaster of emotions all throughout!

Magnus got the perfect opening by transitioning from Queen's Gambit Declined to Catalan, in which he had a very strong white bishop. Though at the middle game, Nepo was able to cement his knight at d3 which somehow made Magnus uncomfortable. Magnus was also down on the exchange when two of the knights infiltrated and got the winning exchange (knight for a rook). But it all changed on move 25 when Nepo almost instantly pushed his c3 pawn which gave Magnus some breathing space to win his pawn back.

That was definitely a roller coaster of emotions. I really thought Magnus was going to lose this game but the slightest inaccuracy made by Nepo dictated the pace of the game which ultimately ended in a draw. As always, looking forward for game 3!

[alpamar99]

Nepo is way more stronger then Magnus no doubt .In tactically & imbalance position Magnus sucks but in positions where nothing much happening he can outplay you with his masterful technique . Nepo gonna give hard time to Magnus with sharp play throughout matches.

I don't understand why you say nepo is better. but talking about statistics of course now magnus is very superior and this we are talking about facts because indeed magnus is now in the top position with elo 2855 while nepo is at number 5 with elo 2782.
on the other hand he has now won this world championship 4 times and it has been 8 years he has defended this title, and even if I'm not mistaken his achievements have equaled the record of chess legend Wilhem Steinitz.

[Boristhecat]

A few minutes before the start of the third game, and it seems that the bookmakers are beginning to understand the real odds of the outcomes, but they still allow bets to be made at very favorable odds:

5.70 - 1.36 - 6.10

Those who bet on a draw in the first two games have already doubled their deposit.

I hope today's game will be no less exciting than yesterday's when both players alternately got an advantage but could not convert it.

[qwertyup23]

Game 3 just ended and the result was to be expected- another draw from two (2) of the greatest chess players in the world.

It is noteworthy to mention that they played again the Spanish opening, which is similar to what happened in game 1. Upon the discussion in chess24, the commentaries mentioned that on November 26, someone on the cloud database in chess studied the actual position, hinting that it may either be Team Nepo or Team Magnus who forgot to make the analysis 'private'.

Though this is not that impactful in the game, any slight advantage that gives either team the advantage of knowing their respective preparation is beneficial. Tomorrow is a rest day and I am looking forward for game 4, in which Magnus will play white!

[aoluain]

Yes another draw, both players able to get into a small bit of trouble and get out
of it too.

I believe the first pawn move from each player was played by a guest but both
Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen refused and played their own pawn positions.
Is this a normal start or is it just a symbolic gesture to invite guests to start
the match?

[Magicalking]

I wouldn't bet against Carlsen even if he's down a queen. Magnus Carlsen style of play is so unarthodox that it took the world by surprise when he became world champion. He has held that position since. His openings, middlegame and endgame are so articulate you would think you're playing a bot from the future. I enjoy watching chess games and studying old GM games and I can say I have never seen anyone play like Magnus. Maybe Paul Morphy came close idk

[Boristhecat]

It seemed to me that in the third game both players decided to take a break (just before the rest day) and played a rather simple game (perhaps I got this impression after the second game, which was really nervous).
Today is game 4 and bookmakers continue to gradually reduce the odds for a draw (although they continue to be super profitable).

3.77 - 1.34 - 13.50

Besides, I don't understand such an insane odds on Nepo - in the second game when he played with black he had chances to win, why can't this happen today?