Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

Russia is not there because West doesn't allow it to be there, as western
politicians openly admitted few times. They want Russia split into 15+ small countries,
and it would look bad doing that to ally

Quite the opposite, a division in 5 were considered after the collapse of USSR and "the west", mainly US, backed an unified country. There may be other opinions, but that is how it came out.

[...]

Cookies are a metaphor, another government directly interfering and sponsoring a coup detat of a democratically elected Ukrainian president, directly leading to this terrible loss of life for the slavs. Five years after accepting those cookies best Ukraine can wish for is to only loose 20% of their land. What a great plan huh, was that by design or by incompetence? Imagine where Ukraine could've been at now had it not accepted those cookies.

And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas? Will you man up and concede that you were wrong, and perhaps even attempted to mislead others based on wrong assumptions? Seems like everyone opposing giving up Donbas are now getting a chance to show it by holding Dobropillia (like Azov/UPA/Banderites)

And France needs to solve France, Italy Italy, Germany Germany... great outcome of totally ingenious leaders, can't wait to see statues of them  
Edited

If Zelensky has to capitulate and give up the Donbas (willingly) it means that the situation has radically changed. If that change comes along the next 2 to 5 years... who knows, it could as well happens that Ruzzia shorts out Ruzzia with a window, an asylum, a quick shot in the head or some beautiful palace in Siberia for the old guy.

It is pointless to make a pissing contest of this - things are what they are.

But as of today I see Putin's Ruzzia advancing... towards Moscow, after loosing the initiative in the iron belt. Also, I have the feeling that the US is about to short the US in the mid-terms, at least partially.

Again, Z is not the result of a coup. He is inconvenient to you and the other Kremlin trolls around. Too bad. And again, a country that is at war for several years is not about some abstract foreign intervention, it is just unrealistic.

As far as Europe, it has never been about leaders. It can be run by nearly any idiot and still be ok. The reason is that the people in all those countries did learn from the 2nd world war that it is better not war each other. Ruzzia did not get it, so here we are.

[Branko]

As far as Europe, it has never been about leaders. It can be run by nearly any idiot and still be ok. The reason is that the people in all those countries did learn from the 2nd world war that it is better not war each other. Ruzzia did not get it, so here we are.

Yes, now we wisened up and only attack 100X weaker opponents like Libya, Gaza and such,
and to attack Russia we use proxies like Georgia, Chechnya or Ukraine

[paxmao]

As far as Europe, it has never been about leaders. It can be run by nearly any idiot and still be ok. The reason is that the people in all those countries did learn from the 2nd world war that it is better not war each other. Ruzzia did not get it, so here we are.

Yes, now we wisened up and only attack 100X weaker opponents like Libya, Gaza and such,
and to attack Russia we use proxies like Georgia, Chechnya or Ukraine

One does not war when one does not want to war. I am sure Germany and France have a million disagreements, but they have forged economic, social, psychological and commercial relations that make war the stupid option.

Rusia is not there, mainly because a dictator needs external enemies to justify himself, not to mention the recognised masterplan of rebuilding Ruzzia's "sphere of influence". But who knows... maybe he is one mobilisation away from an one room apartment in Oymyakon, Yakutia. But let's be generous... a one way plane ticket to Pyongyang or Tehran is also fine.

[Branko]

Russia is not there because West doesn't allow it to be there, as western
politicians openly admitted few times. They want Russia split into 15+ small countries,
and it would look bad doing that to ally

[DaRude]

[...]

Cookies are a metaphor, another government directly interfering and sponsoring a coup detat of a democratically elected Ukrainian president, directly leading to this terrible loss of life for the slavs. Five years after accepting those cookies best Ukraine can wish for is to only loose 20% of their land. What a great plan huh, was that by design or by incompetence? Imagine where Ukraine could've been at now had it not accepted those cookies.

And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas? Will you man up and concede that you were wrong, and perhaps even attempted to mislead others based on wrong assumptions? Seems like everyone opposing giving up Donbas are now getting a chance to show it by holding Dobropillia (like Azov/UPA/Banderites)

And France needs to solve France, Italy Italy, Germany Germany... great outcome of totally ingenious leaders, can't wait to see statues of them  
Edited

If Zelensky has to capitulate and give up the Donbas (willingly) it means that the situation has radically changed. If that change comes along the next 2 to 5 years... who knows, it could as well happens that Ruzzia shorts out Ruzzia with a window, an asylum, a quick shot in the head or some beautiful palace in Siberia for the old guy.

It is pointless to make a pissing contest of this - things are what they are.

But as of today I see Putin's Ruzzia advancing... towards Moscow, after loosing the initiative in the iron belt. Also, I have the feeling that the US is about to short the US in the mid-terms, at least partially.

Again, Z is not the result of a coup. He is inconvenient to you and the other Kremlin trolls around. Too bad. And again, a country that is at war for several years is not about some abstract foreign intervention, it is just unrealistic.

As far as Europe, it has never been about leaders. It can be run by nearly any idiot and still be ok. The reason is that the people in all those countries did learn from the 2nd world war that it is better not war each other. Ruzzia did not get it, so here we are.

-Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country for a piece of paper and Ruzzia seems unable to take it.
=And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas?
-If Z capitulates...it means that the situation has radically changed... who knows,
  I will say whatever i say and in all outcomes i'm either right or i'm right. True virtue huh

September 14, 2026-AfD leader vows to end German support for Ukraine if elected
Britain’s national debt tops £3tn
Well, maybe France will send extra money to Ukraine...oh right the fires.
US keeps Trump (right) and turns congress left, but Europe turns right. Looks like it's the finances that'll dry up for Ukraine before Ukrainian leaders manage to run out of Ukrainians. Not the worst possible outcome for Ukraine

No, Z was not the result of the coup. Nuland put Turchynov and Yatsenyuk in charge of Ukraine after the coup. Everything considered, i think Kremlin is pretty satisfied with Z. He managed to align US and Russia together, bleed EU dry and turn it right, what more could Russians ask for in a UA president? Think another suck up to Trump akin of EU clowns, would've been much worse for Russia.

There was no reason for Russia to have a war with Ukraine in 2013. Everything was totally fine, same people living in harmony more so then many other bordering nations. Then Ukrainian leaders decided to accept US cookies and NATO, and here we are
December 23, 2014-Ukraine Votes To Abandon Neutrality, Set Sights On NATO total mystery why Russia wouldn't like this, right?

[montaga]

Putins signatory on the right of 2003 agreement between Russia and Ukraine demarcating the two countries borders. Agreement is lodged with UN.
Signature worth as much as used toiled paper.


Historic land, yeh China has something to say about it

[hellflame]

Plans for war have been solidified; they are only waiting for a signal, and the war will be global.The quarrels among those elite cartels who are engaged in their games are power struggles to dominate the greatest number of God's people on earth.The war in Ukraine is literally a hunting ground for demons who play out their bloodlusts on the battlefield possessing soldiers on both sides with extreme viciousness towards each other with soldiers even driven insane by visions of devils and battles taking place in spiritual realms and before the global war they have planned,  sufficient hatred and discord must also be instilled among civilian populations in every country so nobody escapes what is planned. The people of european countries have been targeted specifically by mass migration from areas where people are primative and ignorant filled with religious extremism to ensure civil cataclysm during the course of the coming war and economic destruction making even the most basic food unavailable in some places.

Afterwards they will roll out their new economic and communication system for the masses on earth who will either cooperate or starve or be left to the marauding extremists and marxists. The state/corp will not protect anyone outside their system.

There WILL be nuclear weapons used and this is what they have planned with their guru/cult leader, the one the Christians and many muslims call the antichrist and the one whom many Jews will be tricked by as their messiah and other christians,muslims and others as also their awaited messiah. It is planned! Don't be fooled by left v right politics, tech bro worship, or thinking N.korea, china etc are their enemies. They are simply factions who wish to divide the earth and its resources and peoples among themselves. They are all cooperating with each other in on way or they other. You, the masses are their prey and all you own is also up for grabs. The terrible part is that you will be fooled into giving up all you own to be taken care of by them while those who see through their bullshit will be treated as outcasts and criminals by their masonic cults.

[paxmao]

Branko, the west kept Ruzzia together. There were talks about making it 5 republics, but probably US and "the west" decided otherwise.

Putins signatory on the right of 2003 agreement between Russia and Ukraine demarcating the two countries borders. Agreement is lodged with UN.
Signature worth as much as used toiled paper.
[...]

Yep, that is the problem. With Ruzzia deals are as good as your army is.

[...]

Cookies are a metaphor, another government directly interfering and sponsoring a coup detat of a democratically elected Ukrainian president, directly leading to this terrible loss of life for the slavs. Five years after accepting those cookies best Ukraine can wish for is to only loose 20% of their land. What a great plan huh, was that by design or by incompetence? Imagine where Ukraine could've been at now had it not accepted those cookies.

And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas? Will you man up and concede that you were wrong, and perhaps even attempted to mislead others based on wrong assumptions? Seems like everyone opposing giving up Donbas are now getting a chance to show it by holding Dobropillia (like Azov/UPA/Banderites)

And France needs to solve France, Italy Italy, Germany Germany... great outcome of totally ingenious leaders, can't wait to see statues of them  
Edited

If Zelensky has to capitulate and give up the Donbas (willingly) it means that the situation has radically changed. If that change comes along the next 2 to 5 years... who knows, it could as well happens that Ruzzia shorts out Ruzzia with a window, an asylum, a quick shot in the head or some beautiful palace in Siberia for the old guy.

It is pointless to make a pissing contest of this - things are what they are.

But as of today I see Putin's Ruzzia advancing... towards Moscow, after loosing the initiative in the iron belt. Also, I have the feeling that the US is about to short the US in the mid-terms, at least partially.

Again, Z is not the result of a coup. He is inconvenient to you and the other Kremlin trolls around. Too bad. And again, a country that is at war for several years is not about some abstract foreign intervention, it is just unrealistic.

As far as Europe, it has never been about leaders. It can be run by nearly any idiot and still be ok. The reason is that the people in all those countries did learn from the 2nd world war that it is better not war each other. Ruzzia did not get it, so here we are.

-Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country for a piece of paper and Ruzzia seems unable to take it.
=And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas?
-If Z capitulates...it means that the situation has radically changed... who knows,
  I will say whatever i say and in all outcomes i'm either right or i'm right. True virtue huh

September 14, 2026-AfD leader vows to end German support for Ukraine if elected
Britain’s national debt tops £3tn
Well, maybe France will send extra money to Ukraine...oh right the fires.
US keeps Trump (right) and turns congress left, but Europe turns right. Looks like it's the finances that'll dry up for Ukraine before Ukrainian leaders manage to run out of Ukrainians. Not the worst possible outcome for Ukraine

No, Z was not the result of the coup. Nuland put Turchynov and Yatsenyuk in charge of Ukraine after the coup. Everything considered, i think Kremlin is pretty satisfied with Z. He managed to align US and Russia together, bleed EU dry and turn it right, what more could Russians ask for in a UA president? Think another suck up to Trump akin of EU clowns, would've been much worse for Russia.

There was no reason for Russia to have a war with Ukraine in 2013. Everything was totally fine, same people living in harmony more so then many other bordering nations. Then Ukrainian leaders decided to accept US cookies and NATO, and here we are
December 23, 2014-Ukraine Votes To Abandon Neutrality, Set Sights On NATO total mystery why Russia wouldn't like this, right?

I have not forecasted an outcome, so I cannot be right, nor wrong. You have, so you can be wrong or right and in any of those cases you will still be irrelevant to reality.

What I am saying is that ending the war would require, TODAY, conceding at least the Donbas or removing Putin - which is faster and much more civilized.

If the Kremlin is ok with Z, it has a very peculiar way of showing it - all that "denazification" thing, to a president whose grandparent was killed by the Reich.

Ruzzia had a war in Ukraine. The only difference is that it was undeclared.

Speaking of which... is this still a especial military operation? I would not want you to go to jail ... you know, saying "war" and all that...

[DaRude]

Branko, the west kept Ruzzia together. There were talks about making it 5 republics, but probably US and "the west" decided otherwise.

Putins signatory on the right of 2003 agreement between Russia and Ukraine demarcating the two countries borders. Agreement is lodged with UN.
Signature worth as much as used toiled paper.
[...]

Yep, that is the problem. With Ruzzia deals are as good as your army is.

[...]

Cookies are a metaphor, another government directly interfering and sponsoring a coup detat of a democratically elected Ukrainian president, directly leading to this terrible loss of life for the slavs. Five years after accepting those cookies best Ukraine can wish for is to only loose 20% of their land. What a great plan huh, was that by design or by incompetence? Imagine where Ukraine could've been at now had it not accepted those cookies.

And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas? Will you man up and concede that you were wrong, and perhaps even attempted to mislead others based on wrong assumptions? Seems like everyone opposing giving up Donbas are now getting a chance to show it by holding Dobropillia (like Azov/UPA/Banderites)

And France needs to solve France, Italy Italy, Germany Germany... great outcome of totally ingenious leaders, can't wait to see statues of them  
Edited

If Zelensky has to capitulate and give up the Donbas (willingly) it means that the situation has radically changed. If that change comes along the next 2 to 5 years... who knows, it could as well happens that Ruzzia shorts out Ruzzia with a window, an asylum, a quick shot in the head or some beautiful palace in Siberia for the old guy.

It is pointless to make a pissing contest of this - things are what they are.

But as of today I see Putin's Ruzzia advancing... towards Moscow, after loosing the initiative in the iron belt. Also, I have the feeling that the US is about to short the US in the mid-terms, at least partially.

Again, Z is not the result of a coup. He is inconvenient to you and the other Kremlin trolls around. Too bad. And again, a country that is at war for several years is not about some abstract foreign intervention, it is just unrealistic.

As far as Europe, it has never been about leaders. It can be run by nearly any idiot and still be ok. The reason is that the people in all those countries did learn from the 2nd world war that it is better not war each other. Ruzzia did not get it, so here we are.

-Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country for a piece of paper and Ruzzia seems unable to take it.
=And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas?
-If Z capitulates...it means that the situation has radically changed... who knows,
  I will say whatever i say and in all outcomes i'm either right or i'm right. True virtue huh

September 14, 2026-AfD leader vows to end German support for Ukraine if elected
Britain’s national debt tops £3tn
Well, maybe France will send extra money to Ukraine...oh right the fires.
US keeps Trump (right) and turns congress left, but Europe turns right. Looks like it's the finances that'll dry up for Ukraine before Ukrainian leaders manage to run out of Ukrainians. Not the worst possible outcome for Ukraine

No, Z was not the result of the coup. Nuland put Turchynov and Yatsenyuk in charge of Ukraine after the coup. Everything considered, i think Kremlin is pretty satisfied with Z. He managed to align US and Russia together, bleed EU dry and turn it right, what more could Russians ask for in a UA president? Think another suck up to Trump akin of EU clowns, would've been much worse for Russia.

There was no reason for Russia to have a war with Ukraine in 2013. Everything was totally fine, same people living in harmony more so then many other bordering nations. Then Ukrainian leaders decided to accept US cookies and NATO, and here we are
December 23, 2014-Ukraine Votes To Abandon Neutrality, Set Sights On NATO total mystery why Russia wouldn't like this, right?

I have not forecasted an outcome, so I cannot be right, nor wrong. You have, so you can be wrong or right and in any of those cases you will still be irrelevant to reality.

What I am saying is that ending the war would require, TODAY, conceding at least the Donbas or removing Putin - which is faster and much more civilized.

If the Kremlin is ok with Z, it has a very peculiar way of showing it - all that "denazification" thing, to a president whose grandparent was killed by the Reich.

Ruzzia had a war in Ukraine. The only difference is that it was undeclared.

Speaking of which... is this still a especial military operation? I would not want you to go to jail ... you know, saying "war" and all that...

"Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country"..."I have not forecasted an outcome, so I cannot be right, nor wrong."
huh? English much? Saying something will not happen is a forecast by definition!

You mean just like all you posts about Russians supposedly committing largest sabotage on Europe by blowing up the NordStreams?

...The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing,..Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.

the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response.

German prosecutors allege the saboteurs conceived the plot "Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky has always maintained that Ukraine had "nothing to do with [the Nord Stream blasts]", although in their indictment German prosecutors allege the saboteurs conceived the plot "acting by order of Ukrainian state agencies".

Ready to man up and admit that you were wrong, at least on Nordstream? Or just keep parroting lies how Russia blew up it's own pipelines and how you can never be wrong?

Edit:
As far as "president whose grandparent was killed by the Reich"

“Among Holocaust historians, the consensus is that the OUN and . . . the UPA were responsible for the deaths of thousands of Jews and up to 100,000 Poles during the war.”
On May 26, under Decree No. 440/2026 by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the Special Operations Forces' South Separate Special Operations Center was awarded an honorary title in honor of the UPA Heroes.
OOoops, way to make grandparents proud  

[Branko]

"Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country"..."I have not forecasted an outcome, so I cannot be right, nor wrong."
huh? English much? Saying something will not happen is a forecast by definition!

You mean just like all you posts about Russians supposedly committing largest sabotage on Europe by blowing up the NordStreams?

...The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing,..Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.

the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response.

German prosecutors allege the saboteurs conceived the plot "Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky has always maintained that Ukraine had "nothing to do with [the Nord Stream blasts]", although in their indictment German prosecutors allege the saboteurs conceived the plot "acting by order of Ukrainian state agencies".

Ready to man up and admit that you were wrong, at least on Nordstream? Or just keep parroting lies how Russia blew up it's own pipelines and how you can never be wrong?

Edit:
As far as "president whose grandparent was killed by the Reich"

“Among Holocaust historians, the consensus is that the OUN and . . . the UPA were responsible for the deaths of thousands of Jews and up to 100,000 Poles during the war.”
On May 26, under Decree No. 440/2026 by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the Special Operations Forces' South Separate Special Operations Center was awarded an honorary title in honor of the UPA Heroes.
OOoops, way to make grandparents proud  

If we would sift through his old posts, we'd find hundreds of failed "prophecies"

[paxmao]

Branko, the west kept Ruzzia together. There were talks about making it 5 republics, but probably US and "the west" decided otherwise.

Putins signatory on the right of 2003 agreement between Russia and Ukraine demarcating the two countries borders. Agreement is lodged with UN.
Signature worth as much as used toiled paper.
[...]

Yep, that is the problem. With Ruzzia deals are as good as your army is.

[...]

Cookies are a metaphor, another government directly interfering and sponsoring a coup detat of a democratically elected Ukrainian president, directly leading to this terrible loss of life for the slavs. Five years after accepting those cookies best Ukraine can wish for is to only loose 20% of their land. What a great plan huh, was that by design or by incompetence? Imagine where Ukraine could've been at now had it not accepted those cookies.

And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas? Will you man up and concede that you were wrong, and perhaps even attempted to mislead others based on wrong assumptions? Seems like everyone opposing giving up Donbas are now getting a chance to show it by holding Dobropillia (like Azov/UPA/Banderites)

And France needs to solve France, Italy Italy, Germany Germany... great outcome of totally ingenious leaders, can't wait to see statues of them  
Edited

If Zelensky has to capitulate and give up the Donbas (willingly) it means that the situation has radically changed. If that change comes along the next 2 to 5 years... who knows, it could as well happens that Ruzzia shorts out Ruzzia with a window, an asylum, a quick shot in the head or some beautiful palace in Siberia for the old guy.

It is pointless to make a pissing contest of this - things are what they are.

But as of today I see Putin's Ruzzia advancing... towards Moscow, after loosing the initiative in the iron belt. Also, I have the feeling that the US is about to short the US in the mid-terms, at least partially.

Again, Z is not the result of a coup. He is inconvenient to you and the other Kremlin trolls around. Too bad. And again, a country that is at war for several years is not about some abstract foreign intervention, it is just unrealistic.

As far as Europe, it has never been about leaders. It can be run by nearly any idiot and still be ok. The reason is that the people in all those countries did learn from the 2nd world war that it is better not war each other. Ruzzia did not get it, so here we are.

-Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country for a piece of paper and Ruzzia seems unable to take it.
=And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas?
-If Z capitulates...it means that the situation has radically changed... who knows,
  I will say whatever i say and in all outcomes i'm either right or i'm right. True virtue huh

September 14, 2026-AfD leader vows to end German support for Ukraine if elected
Britain’s national debt tops £3tn
Well, maybe France will send extra money to Ukraine...oh right the fires.
US keeps Trump (right) and turns congress left, but Europe turns right. Looks like it's the finances that'll dry up for Ukraine before Ukrainian leaders manage to run out of Ukrainians. Not the worst possible outcome for Ukraine

No, Z was not the result of the coup. Nuland put Turchynov and Yatsenyuk in charge of Ukraine after the coup. Everything considered, i think Kremlin is pretty satisfied with Z. He managed to align US and Russia together, bleed EU dry and turn it right, what more could Russians ask for in a UA president? Think another suck up to Trump akin of EU clowns, would've been much worse for Russia.

There was no reason for Russia to have a war with Ukraine in 2013. Everything was totally fine, same people living in harmony more so then many other bordering nations. Then Ukrainian leaders decided to accept US cookies and NATO, and here we are
December 23, 2014-Ukraine Votes To Abandon Neutrality, Set Sights On NATO total mystery why Russia wouldn't like this, right?

I have not forecasted an outcome, so I cannot be right, nor wrong. You have, so you can be wrong or right and in any of those cases you will still be irrelevant to reality.

What I am saying is that ending the war would require, TODAY, conceding at least the Donbas or removing Putin - which is faster and much more civilized.

If the Kremlin is ok with Z, it has a very peculiar way of showing it - all that "denazification" thing, to a president whose grandparent was killed by the Reich.

Ruzzia had a war in Ukraine. The only difference is that it was undeclared.

Speaking of which... is this still a especial military operation? I would not want you to go to jail ... you know, saying "war" and all that...

"Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country"..."I have not forecasted an outcome, so I cannot be right, nor wrong."
huh? English much? Saying something will not happen is a forecast by definition!

You mean just like all you posts about Russians supposedly committing largest sabotage on Europe by blowing up the NordStreams?

...The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing,..Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.

the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response.

German prosecutors allege the saboteurs conceived the plot "Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky has always maintained that Ukraine had "nothing to do with [the Nord Stream blasts]", although in their indictment German prosecutors allege the saboteurs conceived the plot "acting by order of Ukrainian state agencies".

Ready to man up and admit that you were wrong, at least on Nordstream? Or just keep parroting lies how Russia blew up it's own pipelines and how you can never be wrong?

Edit:
As far as "president whose grandparent was killed by the Reich"

“Among Holocaust historians, the consensus is that the OUN and . . . the UPA were responsible for the deaths of thousands of Jews and up to 100,000 Poles during the war.”
On May 26, under Decree No. 440/2026 by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the Special Operations Forces' South Separate Special Operations Center was awarded an honorary title in honor of the UPA Heroes.
OOoops, way to make grandparents proud  

I am re-reading and I do not see anything factually wrong.  Oh... ok, I am wrong ... it was not his grandparent killed by the III Reich, it was 3 of his grand-grandparents that were killed by the Nazis. His grandparent apparently served in the Red Army. I do not know enough about the Red Army... were those Nazis according to you? I am confused about who you consider what.

I do know that you often miss many of the nuances of English, what I am not sure is if you do it on purpose or by stupidity. Hanlon's Razor points to stupidity, so I'll explain:

-  "No doubt Ruzzia blew up XYZ" is not "points to most likely Ruzzian's Orcs blew up XYZ". The second one is "probability" the first certainty.

- A report for a German institution saying "Ruzzia did it" or "Ukraine did it" does not automatically make it true... And given that Germany is still providing all short of help to Ukraine's war effort, it seems that Germany does not even believe Germany or cares much less than you about it.

- In English, as far as I know, "will not" does not mean "will never". It is used many times to expresses probability, which is by definition all you can say about the future. If you want to express certain outcomes you say "must" or "shall" or "no doubt will".  However if the Donbas is handed over by Z or by any other president it will LIKELY result in another war.

I am sure you care a lot about you being "right" about an operation that is fully deniable and classified or how "cookies" are the reason why there is a war but I will leave you to your own thoughts there, it is just boring.

 I am now looking into how Crimea has lost apparently all electric power, how Rosneff has decided not to repair refineries (since they are immediately attacked after), how 3 missiles destroyed a weapons factory in Moscow oblast and how the gains of a year of advances by "Ruzzia" have been countered in a couple of months...

I mean, this clearly points to the LIKELYHOOD of Putin slipping on a banana peel while near a window increasing this year.

[Branko]

I mean, this clearly points to the LIKELYHOOD of Putin slipping on a banana peel while near a window increasing this year.

That, or he will nuke London to divert attention, there's no other possibility

[paxmao]

I mean, this clearly points to the LIKELYHOOD of Putin slipping on a banana peel while near a window increasing this year.

That, or he will nuke London to divert attention, there's no other possibility

Sure, what could go wrong?

[tvbcof]

I mean, this clearly points to the LIKELYHOOD of Putin slipping on a banana peel while near a window increasing this year.

That, or he will nuke London to divert attention, there's no other possibility

I would think it more likely that Russia would pick a particularly egregious insult by a penny-anti quasi-NATO place and do a non-nuke Oreshnik just to initiate the escalation ladder.  Gotta pick timings when the Western populations are very resistant to going to a civilization ending nuclear conflict, or send in a lot of bullet-stoppers, over some piss-ant country like Latvia when St. Petersburg was just attacked from there.  Anyway, slowly build to where the place where, say, Stormshadow missles which are hitting Russian energy plants deep within the country are being built.  The general attitude among most thinking people should be one of 'WTF are the Russians supposed to do!?!'  From there, move slowly outward to 'decision making centers' ultimately in all belligerent countries which are playing an active role in the attacks.

[DaRude]

Branko, the west kept Ruzzia together. There were talks about making it 5 republics, but probably US and "the west" decided otherwise.

Putins signatory on the right of 2003 agreement between Russia and Ukraine demarcating the two countries borders. Agreement is lodged with UN.
Signature worth as much as used toiled paper.
[...]

Yep, that is the problem. With Ruzzia deals are as good as your army is.

[...]

Cookies are a metaphor, another government directly interfering and sponsoring a coup detat of a democratically elected Ukrainian president, directly leading to this terrible loss of life for the slavs. Five years after accepting those cookies best Ukraine can wish for is to only loose 20% of their land. What a great plan huh, was that by design or by incompetence? Imagine where Ukraine could've been at now had it not accepted those cookies.

And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas? Will you man up and concede that you were wrong, and perhaps even attempted to mislead others based on wrong assumptions? Seems like everyone opposing giving up Donbas are now getting a chance to show it by holding Dobropillia (like Azov/UPA/Banderites)

And France needs to solve France, Italy Italy, Germany Germany... great outcome of totally ingenious leaders, can't wait to see statues of them  
Edited

If Zelensky has to capitulate and give up the Donbas (willingly) it means that the situation has radically changed. If that change comes along the next 2 to 5 years... who knows, it could as well happens that Ruzzia shorts out Ruzzia with a window, an asylum, a quick shot in the head or some beautiful palace in Siberia for the old guy.

It is pointless to make a pissing contest of this - things are what they are.

But as of today I see Putin's Ruzzia advancing... towards Moscow, after loosing the initiative in the iron belt. Also, I have the feeling that the US is about to short the US in the mid-terms, at least partially.

Again, Z is not the result of a coup. He is inconvenient to you and the other Kremlin trolls around. Too bad. And again, a country that is at war for several years is not about some abstract foreign intervention, it is just unrealistic.

As far as Europe, it has never been about leaders. It can be run by nearly any idiot and still be ok. The reason is that the people in all those countries did learn from the 2nd world war that it is better not war each other. Ruzzia did not get it, so here we are.

-Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country for a piece of paper and Ruzzia seems unable to take it.
=And what will you say once Zelenskiy does give up Donbas?
-If Z capitulates...it means that the situation has radically changed... who knows,
  I will say whatever i say and in all outcomes i'm either right or i'm right. True virtue huh

September 14, 2026-AfD leader vows to end German support for Ukraine if elected
Britain’s national debt tops £3tn
Well, maybe France will send extra money to Ukraine...oh right the fires.
US keeps Trump (right) and turns congress left, but Europe turns right. Looks like it's the finances that'll dry up for Ukraine before Ukrainian leaders manage to run out of Ukrainians. Not the worst possible outcome for Ukraine

No, Z was not the result of the coup. Nuland put Turchynov and Yatsenyuk in charge of Ukraine after the coup. Everything considered, i think Kremlin is pretty satisfied with Z. He managed to align US and Russia together, bleed EU dry and turn it right, what more could Russians ask for in a UA president? Think another suck up to Trump akin of EU clowns, would've been much worse for Russia.

There was no reason for Russia to have a war with Ukraine in 2013. Everything was totally fine, same people living in harmony more so then many other bordering nations. Then Ukrainian leaders decided to accept US cookies and NATO, and here we are
December 23, 2014-Ukraine Votes To Abandon Neutrality, Set Sights On NATO total mystery why Russia wouldn't like this, right?

I have not forecasted an outcome, so I cannot be right, nor wrong. You have, so you can be wrong or right and in any of those cases you will still be irrelevant to reality.

What I am saying is that ending the war would require, TODAY, conceding at least the Donbas or removing Putin - which is faster and much more civilized.

If the Kremlin is ok with Z, it has a very peculiar way of showing it - all that "denazification" thing, to a president whose grandparent was killed by the Reich.

Ruzzia had a war in Ukraine. The only difference is that it was undeclared.

Speaking of which... is this still a especial military operation? I would not want you to go to jail ... you know, saying "war" and all that...

"Ukraine will not surrender the most fortified areas of the country"..."I have not forecasted an outcome, so I cannot be right, nor wrong."
huh? English much? Saying something will not happen is a forecast by definition!

You mean just like all you posts about Russians supposedly committing largest sabotage on Europe by blowing up the NordStreams?

...The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing,..Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.

the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response.

German prosecutors allege the saboteurs conceived the plot "Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky has always maintained that Ukraine had "nothing to do with [the Nord Stream blasts]", although in their indictment German prosecutors allege the saboteurs conceived the plot "acting by order of Ukrainian state agencies".

Ready to man up and admit that you were wrong, at least on Nordstream? Or just keep parroting lies how Russia blew up it's own pipelines and how you can never be wrong?

Edit:
As far as "president whose grandparent was killed by the Reich"

“Among Holocaust historians, the consensus is that the OUN and . . . the UPA were responsible for the deaths of thousands of Jews and up to 100,000 Poles during the war.”
On May 26, under Decree No. 440/2026 by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the Special Operations Forces' South Separate Special Operations Center was awarded an honorary title in honor of the UPA Heroes.
OOoops, way to make grandparents proud  

I am re-reading and I do not see anything factually wrong.  Oh... ok, I am wrong ... it was not his grandparent killed by the III Reich, it was 3 of his grand-grandparents that were killed by the Nazis. His grandparent apparently served in the Red Army. I do not know enough about the Red Army... were those Nazis according to you? I am confused about who you consider what.

I do know that you often miss many of the nuances of English, what I am not sure is if you do it on purpose or by stupidity. Hanlon's Razor points to stupidity, so I'll explain:

-  "No doubt Ruzzia blew up XYZ" is not "points to most likely Ruzzian's Orcs blew up XYZ". The second one is "probability" the first certainty.

- A report for a German institution saying "Ruzzia did it" or "Ukraine did it" does not automatically make it true... And given that Germany is still providing all short of help to Ukraine's war effort, it seems that Germany does not even believe Germany or cares much less than you about it.

- In English, as far as I know, "will not" does not mean "will never". It is used many times to expresses probability, which is by definition all you can say about the future. If you want to express certain outcomes you say "must" or "shall" or "no doubt will".  However if the Donbas is handed over by Z or by any other president it will LIKELY result in another war.

I am sure you care a lot about you being "right" about an operation that is fully deniable and classified or how "cookies" are the reason why there is a war but I will leave you to your own thoughts there, it is just boring.

 I am now looking into how Crimea has lost apparently all electric power, how Rosneff has decided not to repair refineries (since they are immediately attacked after), how 3 missiles destroyed a weapons factory in Moscow oblast and how the gains of a year of advances by "Ruzzia" have been countered in a couple of months...

I mean, this clearly points to the LIKELYHOOD of Putin slipping on a banana peel while near a window increasing this year.

No, the Red Army had many religions/nationalities in different ranks, in fact Red Army was founded by Leon Trotsky who was Jewish. The Red Army were the ones that paid with millions of their lives to stop the Nazis and their collaborators, so that jews like Zelenskiy's grandparents could survive, prosper, and reproduce. It's the UPA (you know, the ones Zelenskiy calls heroes and likes to honor) and Nazis that are really hard to distinguish, both worked side by side and just loved to kill Jews, Poles, and Soviets.

You contradicted yourself. "will not" without time qualifier implies anytime in the future. If by definition all you can say about the future is the probability, then "will never" by that same definition is also statement of probability, just like "will not". e.g. "You will not admit your mistakes" would be a false statement if you did admit your mistake anytime in the future. "Must" and "shall" express requirement but say nothing about the outcome. "You must/shall not lie" in no way guarantees that you won't lie again.

But you cared enough to make many posts alluding that Russia was responsible for blowing up the Nordstream, but now oddly seemed to have lost interest? Are you saying that now you don't even care that the second Ukrainian Volodymyr Zhuravliov that Poland refused to extradite to Germany claiming that the suspect allegedly acted on behalf of Kyiv, meaning "only the Ukrainian state can bear responsibility for this act." has now been caught again and Croatia approves Ukrainian Nord Stream suspect’s extradition to Germany despite Polish refusal I wonder why the sudden loss of interest? But surely you're staying consistent and still believe that blowing up the Nordstream pipelines was international terrorism, right?

[Branko]

Peer reviewed scientific article from Finland university suggests 300 000 KIA Russians, and more
than 2 million KIA Ukrainians:

https://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/195520/Russia%20Seminar%20publication%202026_web.pdf?sequence=5&isAllowed=y

Also, discussion about it and how propaganda from UK media made people like paxmao think its the other way around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-4uxfwPpI

[montaga]

Remember oil refineries are more important than people.
The Donald asking Zelensky to stop hurting Russia's refineries and did not ask Putin to bomb Ukraine's residential buildings.

The 40 (41) free nations post Russia What is your favorite?
https://www.freenationsrf.org/en (fork from Garry Kasparov's https://www.forumfreerussia.org/en/)
https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/643133d0a50b9cfafe462cbb/671ada24ba17e2457aec53d2_Map_EN_hdx.jpg

[paxmao]

Remember oil refineries are more important than people.
The Donald asking Zelensky to stop hurting Russia's refineries and did not ask Putin to bomb Ukraine's residential buildings.

The 40 (41) free nations post Russia What is your favorite?
https://www.freenationsrf.org/en (fork from Garry Kasparov's https://www.forumfreerussia.org/en/)
https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/643133d0a50b9cfafe462cbb/671ada24ba17e2457aec53d2_Map_EN_hdx.jpg

Which makes little sense anyway, since the cause of oil product prices increase is, among other things, the US-Iran war.

I think that people in US do not know nor care why prices are high, they just know they eat more rice and less meat. US may short the US shortly.

[...]

But you cared enough to make many posts alluding that Russia was responsible for blowing up the Nordstream, but now oddly seemed to have lost interest? Are you saying that now you don't even care that the second Ukrainian Volodymyr Zhuravliov that Poland refused to extradite to Germany claiming that the suspect allegedly acted on behalf of Kyiv, meaning "only the Ukrainian state can bear responsibility for this act." has now been caught again and Croatia approves Ukrainian Nord Stream suspect’s extradition to Germany despite Polish refusal I wonder why the sudden loss of interest? But surely you're staying consistent and still believe that blowing up the Nordstream pipelines was international terrorism, right?

Yes, I have lost interest. Is not mysteriously, it is because you have bored me to death by repeating over and over and ignoring any argument - and there are many - that contradict your version. There is a point in which we agree to disagree. This point for example -> .  <-

However I remain very interested in knowing how Ukraine is managing to strike facilities more than 2000 km into Ruzzia and how this makes the theory of "everything is normal" in Ruzzia more and more untenable. Like Crimea, untenable because that actually matters for the future of this war.

[BADecker]

Remember oil refineries are more important than people.
The Donald asking Zelensky to stop hurting Russia's refineries and did not ask Putin to bomb Ukraine's residential buildings.

The 40 (41) free nations post Russia What is your favorite?
https://www.freenationsrf.org/en (fork from Garry Kasparov's https://www.forumfreerussia.org/en/)
https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/643133d0a50b9cfafe462cbb/671ada24ba17e2457aec53d2_Map_EN_hdx.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/GfrXhLft/Untitled.png

Which makes little sense anyway, since the cause of oil product prices increase is, among other things, the US-Iran war.

I think that people in US do not know nor care why prices are high, they just know they eat more rice and less meat. US may short the US shortly.

[...]

But you cared enough to make many posts alluding that Russia was responsible for blowing up the Nordstream, but now oddly seemed to have lost interest? Are you saying that now you don't even care that the second Ukrainian Volodymyr Zhuravliov that Poland refused to extradite to Germany claiming that the suspect allegedly acted on behalf of Kyiv, meaning "only the Ukrainian state can bear responsibility for this act." has now been caught again and Croatia approves Ukrainian Nord Stream suspect’s extradition to Germany despite Polish refusal I wonder why the sudden loss of interest? But surely you're staying consistent and still believe that blowing up the Nordstream pipelines was international terrorism, right?

Yes, I have lost interest. Is not mysteriously, it is because you have bored me to death by repeating over and over and ignoring any argument - and there are many - that contradict your version. There is a point in which we agree to disagree. This point for example -> .  <-

However I remain very interested in knowing how Ukraine is managing to strike facilities more than 2000 km into Ruzzia and how this makes the theory of "everything is normal" in Ruzzia more and more untenable. Like Crimea, untenable because that actually matters for the future of this war.

Russian oil is on its way to the US right now. However, the Trump administration has not changed its mind against Russia, except in the oil sanctions, because we need oil.

Don't blame you for losing interest. Even people in sports lose interest when their team gets destroyed like Ukraine is being destroyed by Russia right now.

Ukraine has essentially no strength of its own left. All it has is the little bit that the West can offer, and the media that makes them look/sound good. The West can offer no more because it doesn't have any, and because its people are against their warmonger leaders. Ukraine proves its weakness by not being able to take back the Black Sea Corridor from Russia.

EDIT: Regarding Starlink and why Musk slowed it down in Ukraine.


"May You Burn In Hell": Musk Clarifies Why Starlink Speed Limits Were Throttled In Ukraine


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/musk-admits-spacex-throttled-starlink-ukraine-because-kiev-violated-terms-service
The admission came after President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said access to Starlink and Starshield had been restored to its earlier speeds.

Musk replied "Correct" on X and wrote that "Using Starlink, a civilian commercial service, for offensive drone strikes to kill people has never been allowed, nor should it be," adding that Starshield, "a different system, is controlled by the US government. What they decide to do is up to them." The rest of the post, as AP quotes it: "Ukraine military violated Starlink terms of service and used it for offensive drone strikes to kill people. That loophole was closed last week."

Neither Musk's post nor Hegseth's reference to terms of service names a specific violation. The Defense Secretary said Tuesday that terms of service "ultimately need to be complied" with, but gave no detail, Stars and Stripes reported. Ukrainian officials said the speed limit arrived without warning, and Zelenskyy said terminals in EU countries worked at speeds above 112 mph, which suggested the cutoff was not a technical failure.

Musk further pointed to Ukraine's own leader for proof of Ukraine's broken terms of service.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy confirmed the strike use to reporters in Brussels.

"We also use Starlink for mid-range strikes against enemy military targets in our temporarily occupied territories," Zelenskyy wrote on X.

His forces stay off the network for operations inside Russia.

Musk defended his company's wartime record.

SpaceX "has done more to defend Ukraine than any private company on Earth BY FAR," Musk wrote on X.

The Ukrainian front line would collapse the moment Starlink went dark, according to his post.

"I have nothing but UTTER CONTEMPT for the virtue-signaling evil warmongers who push for endless slaughter and offer no realistic solution to the conflict," Musk wrote.

"May you burn in hell."

Musk's account also sits awkwardly with what he said on Oct. 14. He then wrote that "Starshield systems are owned and controlled by the US government" and that any limits on speed or use "are decided by the US military and ultimately POTUS," Straight Arrow News reported. On Saturday he claimed credit for closing the Starlink "loophole" while still insisting that Starshield, the military-grade system behind Ukraine's drone operations, answers to the U.S. government, AP said.
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[montaga]

Moscow in deep desperation as dealing with Trumpistan's real estate "diplomats" (Witcoff is a private entity) archives nothing. Told you so long time ago.
Ukraine is not some shady Manhattan  property deal to bully your way through.

Yuri Ushakov: (Putin aid, senior diplomat)

“Well, you understand, even earlier there was an impression after Anchorage, too, that the American administration could dictate something like that and force Kyiv to fulfill it. But so far this hasn't quite worked out, because it's not enough to talk only with Kyiv; one needs to talk with the whole of Europe, which fully supports Kyiv, and perhaps Europe's position here is of a key character.”

3 days or 24 hours, dependent on your favorite deep state pupped, it takes for this operation to end, yo ...
You have to remember ​Ukrainians are not fighting for Zelensky, they fight to save grandpas homestead.

Proton's chip fab in Orel (military electronics plant) heavy damaged.