Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

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Ok, Argentina with just 3 billion in oil reserves total, shipped across the ocean on tankers will be able to provide cheaper oil to Europe than Russia with 80 billion in oil reserves directly via a pipelines. And will surely make EU competitive again against China receiving it's oil from Russia via pipeline. We all totally believe this latest uplifting news from your local ministry of good feelings, right?
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LOL, you are the tyoe of troll farm worker that knows just enough to think he knows everything.

Learn what is "proven reserves", the difference with probable reserves, the cost of shipping, the capacity of oil piping into China, where the consuption areas are in China, then go read it again and come back here to discuss.

Venezuela seem to be now a supplier of oil for the US BTW - and there will be EU companies there too. As said, Europe will find its oil. Where will Ruzzia find the dead, their friends in Syria, Venezuela and even likely soon in Iran...

You speak of loosing, it is so funny.

Keep cherrypicking news, you have not done a serious analysis in 3 years.

Oh, funny. As Russia bombs Ukrainian modernisms away, all you can do is talk like it isn't happening that way. Can you please send the Ukraine people some oil and gas so that they won't freeze this Winter? Ask Starmer to send some. Lol.

[BADecker]

Things can change, of course. But it looks like Kiev and other parts of Ukraine will need to build themselves wood fires in barrels, just to survive the loss of electricity, and maybe oil as fuel. Russia is doing this to Kiev as a method to stop Ukraine terrorists who are messing with Russia.

If the people of Ukraine would show Russia where these Ukrainian terrorists were located, Russia could focus. Since Ukraine can't or won't, Russia has no choice but to attack anywhere in Ukraine.

Meanwhile, Zelensky travels the world claiming to be out there on a mission to drum up funds for Ukraine. Obviously, it isn't working very well. But Z is safe, not being in Ukraine.


Dark Kiev


https://ronpaulinstitute.org/dark-kiev/
Kiev had already been on scheduled blackouts where groups of consumers received for example four hours of electricity to then be cutoff for eight hours. That scheduling has ended. The blackout has become permanent.

Over several weeks Russian attacks had isolated the electricity supply in Kiev from other parts of the country. It then attacked generating stations within the city. There is now less than 10% of electricity supply available than the city would normally use. Public lighting has been shut down as much as possible. Factories have closed down. Schools and Universities are on prolonged holidays. Many shops have closed as running their private generators is costing more money than they can make while open.

The electricity generation stations were also supplying hot water for long-distance heating. Several hundred of Soviet era high-rises in Kiev, each of them with hundreds of apartments, have neither heat nor power. The temperature in Ukraine has been below zero degree C for several days. Many of the buildings had not drained their water systems. The radiators and water supply lines have frozen and burst open. Those high rises are now uninhabitable. Experts estimate that up to nine month repair time, and a lot of money, will be needed to fix each of them. There are about 150,000 people affected by this.

Kiev is not the only city in trouble. Odessa is likewise shut down. People are protesting in the streets. Dnipro has similar problems. Today an attack hit Kharkiv and disable one of the last combined heat and electricity station within the city. Sumy and Zaparochia also reported blackouts.

Currently a wave of arctic air is flowing into Ukraine with night temperatures expected to go down to minus 30° centigrade.

The government of Ukraine says that it is expecting a new Russian wave of attacks. This, it says, will likely take out transformer station that make up Ukraine's long distance 750 kilovolt electricity network which is fed by nuclear power stations. The stations are not endangered but they would have to lower their output or shut down as there will be no-one connected to them to receive the electricity they generate.

Large electric energy systems are very complex. To restart a system once it broke down requires a lot of coordination and planning. Any mistake will immediately lead to new breakdowns and damaged equipment. The systems in Kiev are now in a state where it could take weeks without new Russian attacks to get the it up and running again.

Ukraine had been warned that any attack on Russian infrastructure would be responded to in kind. But it continued to attack Russian cities which led to deaths and serious problems in Belgograd and elsewhere.

For three years Russia had mostly refrained from attacking Ukrainian infrastructure. Electricity and heat supply operated at peace time levels. Only during the last year did attacks increase. In March 2025  President Trump announced a 30 day infrastructure ceasefire. Russia committed to it. Ukraine didn't.

In November 2015 Ukraine blew up transmission pylons that supplied Crimea. 75% of its populations were left without electricity. A brewery in Lviv celebrated that by creating a dark beer named 'Crimea by night'.
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[DaRude]

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Ok, Argentina with just 3 billion in oil reserves total, shipped across the ocean on tankers will be able to provide cheaper oil to Europe than Russia with 80 billion in oil reserves directly via a pipelines. And will surely make EU competitive again against China receiving it's oil from Russia via pipeline. We all totally believe this latest uplifting news from your local ministry of good feelings, right?
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LOL, you are the tyoe of troll farm worker that knows just enough to think he knows everything.

Learn what is "proven reserves", the difference with probable reserves, the cost of shipping, the capacity of oil piping into China, where the consuption areas are in China, then go read it again and come back here to discuss.

Venezuela seem to be now a supplier of oil for the US BTW - and there will be EU companies there too. As said, Europe will find its oil. Where will Ruzzia find the dead, their friends in Syria, Venezuela and even likely soon in Iran...

You speak of loosing, it is so funny.

Keep cherrypicking news, you have not done a serious analysis in 3 years.

I'd rather base my analysis on proven reserves, if you want to day dream about probable stuff you're welcome to do so. Laying pipelines obviously has greater initial costs, but it lowers costs over shipping via tankers in the longer run. Capacity is just a function of demand.

Venezuela is more believable than Argentina, but so far there was no regime change there. Sure, US is stealing oil from there now, but the country needs that revenue to prevent it from collapsing into chaos and destabilizing neighboring countries, so not sure how long they can keep that up.

Are you trying to allude that Russia has bigger problems with manpower than Ukraine? That's just laughable at this point!

You cannot even set the terms or define what winning and losing means for Ukraine. You're the one constantly cherry picking about some next wunderwaffe, yet another imminent death of Putin or the next sure financial crisis in Russia. It's been 4 years now, non of the things you talked about came true, but factually Ukraine just continues to retreat, loose people everyday, and now majority in Kyiv are without heat and power. Objectively Ukraine is in a worse position today than it was a year ago, and much more worse off than 2, and 3yrs ago, and you just keep on yapping. Yet, i'm the one cherry picking, right?

[montaga]

The native population has enough of the occupier. Lots of June 26 Crimean Tatar flags. Peace only achievable if Crimea to Crimea's
https://x.com/i/status/2013964924238918027

[DaRude]

No power, -18C and Russian attacks — Kyiv faces ‘catastrophe’

He advised residents to “leave if they can” as emergency crews scrambled to restore power to a snow-coated Kyiv.

Temperatures have fallen as low as ­minus 18C during a cold snap projected to last at least two more weeks. This month 600,000 people have already fled the capital, home to more than 3 million, Klitschko said.
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Some homes are so cold the residents cannot use the lavatory because the water has frozen in the bowl, and icicles have formed from condensation on the window sill.
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President Zelensky said last week that key western-supplied air defence systems had run out of ammunition due to reduced support from allies, ­allowing the Russians to overwhelm defences with a combination of massed missiles and drones. Large swathes of Kharkiv and Odesa were also without heating and electricity on Tuesday after the Russians targeted their energy infrastructure too.

In the capital, Zelensky has sought to blame Klitschko for the city’s prolonged outages, saying it was less prepared than Kharkiv, the country’s second largest city, which is 12 miles from the Russian border.
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Speaking from ­Kyiv’s city hall, where staff have been barred from the lavatories because there was no running water, he said Zelensky had refused his requests for a meeting to discuss the crisis, ­although electricity generation and air defence is the central government’s responsibility.
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“But my first question is to Zelensky, especially after all these corruption scandals. We have five or six situation rooms for preparing for a Russian attack. We have for the last four years a military administration in the city connected with the president and the largest municipal budget in the country. And I’m sitting here in the cold.”

Klitschko pointed to his office’s provision of heated tents and train carriages as evidence of efforts to prepare Kyiv’s citizens for the worst.

Capital of 3m lost 600k residents in one month, and the mayor urges others to leave too, all while "air defence systems had run out of ammunition". "Ghost of Kyiv" means something different now! UK urgently needs to come up with some uplifting news about another superhero, wunderwaffe, another Putin clone dying, or how Russia is totally about to financially collapse any minute now! Need to somehow send more Ukrainian souls to the front lines without Ukrainians getting taurus, air defence, tomahawks, power or heat in order to stretch this out and keep it going for few more weeks!

[BADecker]

Russians are having the fun time of their life. Now if the people of Ukraine could only pick up life. I mean, this is what Russians live for. They are used to it.

Shocking Scenes in Russia: Apartment Buildings Buried Under Massive Snowfall! - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-zV_29d-Yjw

But, instead, Ukrainians and NATO simply can't take it, and try to hide underground.

Dozens of Ukrainian and NATO Officers met a GRISLY end in an Underground Facility in 'VINNYTSIA' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzZxydxUgo

and

Hundreds of Thousands Flee Kyiv After Russia’s Brutal Strikes — Kyiv Left Without Heat and Power - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWhhgDyNjg

[montaga]

General Winter will always favor the defender staying in the shelter not run around in the open.

Meantime more trouble with another ally not Venezuela, Iran or Syria, no China this time. Cuba in critical condition.
Apparently some of  Xi Jinping’s guards have been wounded or killed, some generals (Zhang Youxia and Liu Zhenli) detained and up to 3,000 military personnel.
Bad economic situation forces another power struggle.

[CryptoCrookz]

Russians are having the fun time of their life. Now if the people of Ukraine could only pick up life. I mean, this is what Russians live for. They are used to it.

Shocking Scenes in Russia: Apartment Buildings Buried Under Massive Snowfall! - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-zV_29d-Yjw

But, instead, Ukrainians and NATO simply can't take it, and try to hide underground.

Dozens of Ukrainian and NATO Officers met a GRISLY end in an Underground Facility in 'VINNYTSIA' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzZxydxUgo

and

Hundreds of Thousands Flee Kyiv After Russia’s Brutal Strikes — Kyiv Left Without Heat and Power - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWhhgDyNjg

I though no one was dumb enough to believe in that particular strain of ruzzki propaganda, but here we are.

[BADecker]

Russians are having the fun time of their life. Now if the people of Ukraine could only pick up life. I mean, this is what Russians live for. They are used to it.

Shocking Scenes in Russia: Apartment Buildings Buried Under Massive Snowfall! - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-zV_29d-Yjw

But, instead, Ukrainians and NATO simply can't take it, and try to hide underground.

Dozens of Ukrainian and NATO Officers met a GRISLY end in an Underground Facility in 'VINNYTSIA' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzZxydxUgo

and

Hundreds of Thousands Flee Kyiv After Russia’s Brutal Strikes — Kyiv Left Without Heat and Power - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWhhgDyNjg

I though no one was dumb enough to believe in that particular strain of ruzzki propaganda, but here we are.

I thought nobody was dumb enough to believe that the EU and NATO were really going to support Ukraine, but here we are.

Things could change, of course. But Musk is moving out of Europe, and taking X and Starlink with him... in 5 days from now... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5572675.0. Europe was weak enough before. Now they have to find their own communications. They might be able to do it, but it won't be easy.

Maybe Amazon's 'Starlink', whatever it is called, can take up the slack in Europe. But when? Lol.

[DaRude]

US links security guarantees for Ukraine to peace deal ceding territory

The Trump administration has indicated to Ukraine that US security guarantees are contingent on Kyiv first agreeing a peace deal that would likely involve ceding the Donbas region to Russia, according to eight people familiar with talks.
Washington has also suggested it would promise Ukraine more weaponry to bolster its peacetime army if — as the price of peace with Russia — it agreed to withdraw its forces from the parts of the eastern region it controls, two of the people said.
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But Washington is now signalling the US security commitments depend on reaching an accommodation with Russia. Ukrainian and European officials described the US stance as an attempt to strong-arm Kyiv into making painful territorial concessions Moscow has demanded in any deal.
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A senior Ukrainian official said it was increasingly unclear whether the US would commit. “They stop each time the security guarantees can be signed,” the official said.
Following Trump’s meeting with Zelenskyy in Washington last month, US officials said the offer of American security guarantees “will not be on the table forever”, without elaborating.
Ukraine wants to confirm the US security guarantees before it gives up any land. The US, however, believes Kyiv must give up the Donbas for the war to end and is doing little to pressure Russian leader Vladimir Putin to abandon one of his most hardline — and persistent — demands, the people said.

So this was totally worth it for Ukraine, now they just need to somehow sell it as a victory and this can end.

[BADecker]

The funny thing is that Russia wants only two things, really:
1. Their people (in what is called Ukraine) to not be hurt by the Ukrainian (EU) government any longer;
2. Their land back... the Black Sea Corridor, their land, which they have largely taken back already.

Ukrainian people generally wouldn't care one way or the other, since both governments and peoples are very similar.

The two problems are:
1. The EU leaders want war, on behalf of Western bankers;
2. Zelensky is getting paid by the EU to keep the war going.

Simple as that!

[montaga]

The situation at current is such that Ukraine gains about 15 m² meter (160 sq ft) of territory per day,  at a expense of 1000 soldiers.
How long can Putin afford to sell 1000 life's daily? On top of it the Russian economy gets destroyed faster as the front line.
Size of Ukraine 603550 m² (603550/15=110 years and 40 150 000 sold souls)

[BADecker]

The situation at current is such that Ukraine gains about 15 m² meter (160 sq ft) of territory per day,  at a expense of 1000 soldiers.
How long can Putin afford to sell 1000 life's daily? On top of it the Russian economy gets destroyed faster as the front line.
Size of Ukraine 603550 m² (603550/15=110 years and 40 150 000 sold souls)

As long as he and his military are taking out 6 to 10 times as many Ukrainians in that same day. Ukraine, being a smaller country, will lose all its people long before Russia.

Maybe all these talkers who are in favor of the EU warmongers should move to Ukraine, just to keep Ukraine's population up. After all, Chinese are moving into Siberia to keep Russia's population up.





EDIT: Are you forgetting that Ukraine had the whole Black Sea Corridor 4 years ago, and that they don't have much of it any longer?

[BADecker]

Russia has cut off Odessa from the rest of Ukraine, at the same time that they have basically cut of Kiev energy.

Seems that Putin is ready to do a short-term cease fire if Zelensky agrees to it, too.

[Uhwuchukwu53]

The situation at current is such that Ukraine gains about 15 m² meter (160 sq ft) of territory per day,  at a expense of 1000 soldiers.
How long can Putin afford to sell 1000 life's daily? On top of it the Russian economy gets destroyed faster as the front line.
Size of Ukraine 603550 m² (603550/15=110 years and 40 150 000 sold souls)

War is a dangerous thing it can never be the best to resolve conflict and most time can't be easy to conquer as the people may predict it. Seen that Russia is yet to get all they wanted in Ukraine and the war have taken over two years now is something to doubt even if Russian succeed in the war it's not as easy as they wanted it though they are making progress because certain target has been achieved but the loss of life and other economics resources can't be regained easily, looking at what is happening the Ukraine president is not ready to surrender no matter the pressure before him, which means both side will continue to loose both economically and human life.

[BADecker]

The situation at current is such that Ukraine gains about 15 m² meter (160 sq ft) of territory per day,  at a expense of 1000 soldiers.
How long can Putin afford to sell 1000 life's daily? On top of it the Russian economy gets destroyed faster as the front line.
Size of Ukraine 603550 m² (603550/15=110 years and 40 150 000 sold souls)

War is a dangerous thing it can never be the best to resolve conflict and most time can't be easy to conquer as the people may predict it. Seen that Russia is yet to get all they wanted in Ukraine and the war have taken over two years now is something to doubt even if Russian succeed in the war it's not as easy as they wanted it though they are making progress because certain target has been achieved but the loss of life and other economics resources can't be regained easily, looking at what is happening the Ukraine president is not ready to surrender no matter the pressure before him, which means both side will continue to loose both economically and human life.

If Zelensky will not stop, Putin will not stop.
Then, all of Ukraine will become part of Russia.
But Z will continue from elsewhere, to terrorize Russia, using EU funds.
Then Putin will conquer all of Europe to stop the terrorizing.
It will be Europe's own fault, because the people won't stop the warmongers.
If the people can't stop their own leaders, how will they stop Russia?
Europe is even making enemies out of the US in some ways.

All Russia wanted to do was trade with the world. Putin even asked George W. Bush to  be allowed into NATO. But Bush snubbed him.

Search on these things and you will find that Russia is not the aggressive enemy that we have been told. But we are making them our enemy, by believing the warmonger lies of a few wealthy bank controllers who are trying to take over the world (WEF).

[DaRude]

The situation at current is such that Ukraine gains about 15 m² meter (160 sq ft) of territory per day,  at a expense of 1000 soldiers.
How long can Putin afford to sell 1000 life's daily? On top of it the Russian economy gets destroyed faster as the front line.
Size of Ukraine 603550 m² (603550/15=110 years and 40 150 000 sold souls)

War is a dangerous thing it can never be the best to resolve conflict and most time can't be easy to conquer as the people may predict it. Seen that Russia is yet to get all they wanted in Ukraine and the war have taken over two years now is something to doubt even if Russian succeed in the war it's not as easy as they wanted it though they are making progress because certain target has been achieved but the loss of life and other economics resources can't be regained easily, looking at what is happening the Ukraine president is not ready to surrender no matter the pressure before him, which means both side will continue to loose both economically and human life.

That's called escalations. Can politician's unwillingness to negotiate ever be a negative thing? Or whatever he does is good until the last Ukrainian?

[Taricoins]

The situation at current is such that Ukraine gains about 15 m² meter (160 sq ft) of territory per day,  at a expense of 1000 soldiers.
How long can Putin afford to sell 1000 life's daily? On top of it the Russian economy gets destroyed faster as the front line.
Size of Ukraine 603550 m² (603550/15=110 years and 40 150 000 sold souls)

War is a dangerous thing it can never be the best to resolve conflict and most time can't be easy to conquer as the people may predict it. Seen that Russia is yet to get all they wanted in Ukraine and the war have taken over two years now is something to doubt even if Russian succeed in the war it's not as easy as they wanted it though they are making progress because certain target has been achieved but the loss of life and other economics resources can't be regained easily, looking at what is happening the Ukraine president is not ready to surrender no matter the pressure before him, which means both side will continue to loose both economically and human life.

That's called escalations. Can politician's unwillingness to negotiate ever be a negative thing? Or whatever he does is good until the last Ukrainian?

The world is just so messed up because if there is no body out in place to caution the actions of a particular president trying to invade another country space then cases like this will be seen often and it is very much in play. It's just a matter of time till we get to see world war 3 unfold and it will be a war of nuclear weapons.

[pliego]

I am surprised there haven't been any threads opened about this yet.

In recent months, Russia has massed hundreds of thousands of troops and other military equipment on the Russia-Ukraine border. It is well known that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of its county, however Russian dictator, President Putin, has claimed that the troop mass is part of a training exercise.

The US and NATO allies are sending military equipment to Ukraine to help repeal an attack, and there is some talk about possibly sending troops to the region.

Update 2/18/22:
It appears there may have been some kind of false flag operation in Dumbas, Ukraine, an area controlled by a separatist group, today, possibly involving an alleged bombing of the car belonging to the leader of the separatist group. It is possible this is part of some kind of false flag operation to create a pretext for an invasion.

President Biden today said he believes Putin has made the decision to invade and will start an invasion in the coming days.

Update 2/21/22:
It appears an invasion has begun

Update 2/23/22:
It appears there are some kind of bombings in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine

tough one to be fair there are two side you have to see this from as two countries are effected from the current situation. from Ukraine side this was an unprovoked invasion one that they never wanted and most probably never thought would happen in these days. on the other side Russia saw the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO as a massive problem. we have to remember the history of how Ukraine was historically apart or Russia. so they saw their opportunity and took it which to be fair any country would of taken given the opportunity.

[BADecker]

I am surprised there haven't been any threads opened about this yet.

In recent months, Russia has massed hundreds of thousands of troops and other military equipment on the Russia-Ukraine border. It is well known that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of its county, however Russian dictator, President Putin, has claimed that the troop mass is part of a training exercise.

The US and NATO allies are sending military equipment to Ukraine to help repeal an attack, and there is some talk about possibly sending troops to the region.

Update 2/18/22:
It appears there may have been some kind of false flag operation in Dumbas, Ukraine, an area controlled by a separatist group, today, possibly involving an alleged bombing of the car belonging to the leader of the separatist group. It is possible this is part of some kind of false flag operation to create a pretext for an invasion.

President Biden today said he believes Putin has made the decision to invade and will start an invasion in the coming days.

Update 2/21/22:
It appears an invasion has begun

Update 2/23/22:
It appears there are some kind of bombings in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine

tough one to be fair there are two side you have to see this from as two countries are effected from the current situation. from Ukraine side this was an unprovoked invasion one that they never wanted and most probably never thought would happen in these days. on the other side Russia saw the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO as a massive problem. we have to remember the history of how Ukraine was historically apart or Russia. so they saw their opportunity and took it which to be fair any country would of taken given the opportunity.

The point that needs clarification is, which Ukrainian citizens wanted the war and which didn't.

The Ukrainians who live in the lands that Russia took (and is still taking) were mostly of Russian ancestry. They are the ones who even called to Russia for help against the Kiev government that was killing them and destroying their property.

True, Russia had other reasons for their 'invasion' besides helping 'their' people in Ukraine. But Russia has never acted indiscriminately against the people, except for those who were fighting them directly. After all, the Black Sea Corridor was (as you said) Russian land for ages before Ukraine got (stole) it.