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March 08, 2022, 06:40:45 PM
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Ukraine did not start the war but they had the intention to do so. They were the ones who started piling up the military weapons near the border and they were backed by the united states. They thought that the united states will be there for any help when the war starts but that did not happen. Russians warned them to remove the military weapons near the border, they disagreed and putin had no option. I am not supporting russia or Ukraine but this could have been sorted out without a war , had united states didn't force ukraine.
Do you have any proof that suggests that the USA actually forced Ukraine to acquire military weapons? If not, this is a dumb statement. Ukraine clearly wanted to gain more power through NATO which is one of the primary reasons why Putin lost it.

At the end of the day, innocent Ukraine citizens and Russian citizens are the ones who suffer the most thanks to these power hungry politicians.

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March 08, 2022, 06:58:15 PM
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This war is highly political, if you study International diplomacy you will understand that there have already been uneven grounds and discussion, l have been ongoing before now e.g Russia warning Ukraine, I still remember when Russia make the first speech regarding they decision to attack Ukraine some months back but nobody takes it seriously until the invasion started. Failure from both countries to have a balance of power discussion led to tension between the two countries, Ukraine was looking up to NATO but failed to know that in the international community every body has their territory and alliances and this determines their involvement in any situation around members countries. Ukraine was not a member of NATO before the invasion so it will take time to follow processes to become a member before NATO can involve directly in the war. As it is there is no sign of that Membership happening any time soon



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March 08, 2022, 07:08:51 PM
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It seems to me that Putin lost not only Ukraine with his short-sighted policy, here he was just counting on a quick decision based on incorrect incoming data, however, he had what he wanted to believe, he should not have done it, at least for reasons of creating an impression about the state of his army, which everyone now saw.

As for the boycott of Russian gambling platforms, I think with my desire for isolation, a collective boycott may not be necessary, although it is possible that they will be included in the sanctions lists in the near future, or anyone can create a petition for a boycott of Russian gaming platforms.
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March 08, 2022, 07:13:41 PM
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We don't even know if their owner is participating or in favor for the war or just wants to live in peace.

If they are licensed gambling site, of course they are paying taxes and where do taxes go? To government and what will the government do with the tax? Use it for war and besides licensed or regulated gambling platforms has the highest taxes in the world if I am correct. So whether the owner is in favor of war or not it doesn't matter.
That's a little bit funny, if I understand what you mean you call for a boycott of the gambling site you are promoting in your signature and your avatar? But why don't you start by removing them yourself? It's contradictory. If you believe in the relevance of your speech, you will wear a signature supporting Ukraine instead.

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March 08, 2022, 08:54:01 PM
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This war is highly political,
That's a good one. All wars are political, sometimes with a degree of fundamentalism.

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Failure from both countries to have a balance of power discussion led to tension between the two countries,

What balance? There was no balance of power since Ukraine gave up nukes.

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Ukraine was looking up to NATO but failed to know that in the international community every body has their territory and alliances and this determines their involvement in any situation around members countries.

You talk like it's Ukraine's fault. Countries have the right to join any alliances they want.

I support all bans that are coming in Russia's direction. Maybe this will finally wake these people up.

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March 08, 2022, 09:26:39 PM
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Not just these two countries are affected by their war but we also affected due to delay of foods exported and imported in our different countries and like you said some prices will roll up like here in my country Philippines, gasoline and many daily needs was marked up, last 4 days and if this war will continued in a few months for sure many country will be affected.
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March 08, 2022, 09:33:46 PM
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Not just these two countries are affected by their war but we also affected due to delay of foods exported and imported in our different countries and like you said some prices will roll up like here in my country Philippines, gasoline and many daily needs was marked up, last 4 days and if this war will continued in a few months for sure many country will be affected.
Totally relevant on rising up prices because they are worlds  leading natural gas exporter and also oil exporter and producer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia

So it isnt surprising that this current war did really make out some effects and this would even gotten worse as this war would continue.

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March 08, 2022, 11:09:06 PM
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Not just these two countries are affected by their war but we also affected due to delay of foods exported and imported in our different countries and like you said some prices will roll up like here in my country Philippines, gasoline and many daily needs was marked up, last 4 days and if this war will continued in a few months for sure many country will be affected.
Totally relevant on rising up prices because they are worlds  leading natural gas exporter and also oil exporter and producer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia

So it isnt surprising that this current war did really make out some effects and this would even gotten worse as this war would continue.

Some times it cross on my mind on why such things create a huge effect on the economy while Middle east is also an option if we talk about oil supply, maybe there are global players play this and manipulate the current situation just to increase the price of the oil. Hopefully we can see the price of oil get back to normal after the war ends since this is really one of the biggest reason why the price of basic commodity rise up.

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March 08, 2022, 11:15:56 PM
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What choice do we have to somehow slow down the much dominant Russia on this war? If it means we have to boycott all Russian gambling platforms, then so be it to feel that there's always a consequences for any actions. I consider the war mostly as Putin's war and not Russia's war that's why to end this mess, put a pressure to Putin as a head of the state.

Generally, from what i see, here in the forum, there's only a few Russian-based gambling here so there's no impact or difference if we have to boycott or not those gambling platforms based on Russia since in the first place, we are not really used on betting on those.
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March 08, 2022, 11:59:46 PM
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What choice do we have to somehow slow down the much dominant Russia on this war? If it means we have to boycott all Russian gambling platforms, then so be it to feel that there's always a consequences for any actions. I consider the war mostly as Putin's war and not Russia's war that's why to end this mess, put a pressure to Putin as a head of the state.

Generally, from what i see, here in the forum, there's only a few Russian-based gambling here so there's no impact or difference if we have to boycott or not those gambling platforms based on Russia since in the first place, we are not really used on betting on those.
 

Indeed, its Putin against Ukraine and the world need an economic warfare to stop Putin. The sanctions have reduced the value of top Russian companies. The world is making a step to stop Putin but, its not enough. When countries stop buying oil from Russian Government the country will fill a huge downsize of their economy.

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March 09, 2022, 12:48:30 AM
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What choice do we have to somehow slow down the much dominant Russia on this war? If it means we have to boycott all Russian gambling platforms, then so be it to feel that there's always a consequences for any actions. I consider the war mostly as Putin's war and not Russia's war that's why to end this mess, put a pressure to Putin as a head of the state.

Generally, from what i see, here in the forum, there's only a few Russian-based gambling here so there's no impact or difference if we have to boycott or not those gambling platforms based on Russia since in the first place, we are not really used on betting on those.
 

Indeed, its Putin against Ukraine and the world need an economic warfare to stop Putin. The sanctions have reduced the value of top Russian companies. The world is making a step to stop Putin but, its not enough. When countries stop buying oil from Russian Government the country will fill a huge downsize of their economy.

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Everyone should do their part in making Putin and the Russian regime that the world is not taking this lightly, in fact, giant companies are making sacrifices in their revenues like what Mcdonald is doing right now

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the Chicago-based company said its restaurants in Russia and Ukraine contributed 9% of its annual revenue, or around $2 billion.
this is a huge amount of money that they are going to lose but their CEO stated they cannot ignore the needlesss human suffering, even if gambling has little effect at lwast the industry has a contribution.

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March 09, 2022, 01:29:00 AM
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What choice do we have to somehow slow down the much dominant Russia on this war? If it means we have to boycott all Russian gambling platforms, then so be it to feel that there's always a consequences for any actions. I consider the war mostly as Putin's war and not Russia's war that's why to end this mess, put a pressure to Putin as a head of the state.

Generally, from what i see, here in the forum, there's only a few Russian-based gambling here so there's no impact or difference if we have to boycott or not those gambling platforms based on Russia since in the first place, we are not really used on betting on those.
 

Indeed, its Putin against Ukraine and the world need an economic warfare to stop Putin. The sanctions have reduced the value of top Russian companies. The world is making a step to stop Putin but, its not enough. When countries stop buying oil from Russian Government the country will fill a huge downsize of their economy.

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Placing sanctions on Gambling sites in this forum will have little or no effect on the Russian online gaming niche.

Everyone should do their part in making Putin and the Russian regime that the world is not taking this lightly, in fact, giant companies are making sacrifices in their revenues like what Mcdonald is doing right now

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the Chicago-based company said its restaurants in Russia and Ukraine contributed 9% of its annual revenue, or around $2 billion.
this is a huge amount of money that they are going to lose but their CEO stated they cannot ignore the needlesss human suffering, even if gambling has little effect at lwast the industry has a contribution.

So it seems that businesses are themselves closing their terms with the Russians. Restaurants, Visa/Mastercard, Swift and lot of other companies are quitting their services in Russia. I wonder if there is any announcement by the gambling sites to stop there services for Russians. If the war continues and is prolonged, we may see gambling sites updating their term of services and adding Russia in their prohibited countries list.

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March 09, 2022, 04:20:02 AM
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So it seems that businesses are themselves closing their terms with the Russians. Restaurants, Visa/Mastercard, Swift and lot of other companies are quitting their services in Russia. I wonder if there is any announcement by the gambling sites to stop there services for Russians. If the war continues and is prolonged, we may see gambling sites updating their term of services and adding Russia in their prohibited countries list.
If it were a gambling site in Russia, maybe they would move their hosting from Russia to another country that wasn't involved in the war. But since the gambling sites are on the internet and are not located somewhere in Russia, they will be easier to move. Yes, it could be that the terms changed on that site because they didn't want to get into trouble.

But even though many businesses are shutting down in Russia, it looks like Russia can still survive because they still have resources at their disposal. Maybe this will create disturbances in other things that can happen considering that Russia has some resources sent to other countries such as oil and so on.



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But even though many businesses are shutting down in Russia, it looks like Russia can still survive because they still have resources at their disposal. Maybe this will create disturbances in other things that can happen considering that Russia has some resources sent to other countries such as oil and so on.
Since Russia is a huge country with a huge amount of resources, I think Russians can normally live for years and decades in complete isolation from the rest of the world.  Even if the isolation is greater than that of North Korea.  And even if they switch to the offline segment of the Internet. 
The Soviet Union once lived quietly in isolation.  The truth is not complete.  Do not invent some kind of disaster such as famine.  This will not happen because they will introduce a mobilization economy and everything will turn out fine for the Russians. 
Well, maybe the Russians won’t have electric cars, which the world doesn’t need at all and is environmentally more harmful than gasoline
because of the electrolyte in the batteries.   Smiley

Sorry for offtopic. 
And the boycott of Russian sites is nonsense that no one needs.

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March 09, 2022, 07:38:15 AM
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We don't even know if their owner is participating or in favor for the war or just wants to live in peace.

If they are licensed gambling site, of course they are paying taxes and where do taxes go? To government and what will the government do with the tax? Use it for war and besides licensed or regulated gambling platforms has the highest taxes in the world if I am correct. So whether the owner is in favor of war or not it doesn't matter.
I`m enough lazy to search for proves, but as i remember - the most part of licensed gambling site have their licenses in different countries like Panama or Trinidad and Tobago. So the profit goes to the owner and taxes go somewhere, but not to Russia.
I think noone matters about such a boycott. If i`d be an owner and suffer from such boycott - i just can block all accounts and steal these money. So will it be useful for someone?

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March 09, 2022, 09:59:16 AM
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I`m enough lazy to search for proves, but as i remember - the most part of licensed gambling site have their licenses in different countries like Panama or Trinidad and Tobago. So the profit goes to the owner and taxes go somewhere, but not to Russia.
I think noone matters about such a boycott. If i`d be an owner and suffer from such boycott - i just can block all accounts and steal these money. So will it be useful for someone?

But I think if they are operating in the Russia they still need to pay taxes. The boycott was not that big of a deal honestly and I don't think there will be a huge effect in their business and I think blocking all the accounts and stealing money would be good in their end especially if they are a reputable gambling company.

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March 09, 2022, 10:48:34 AM
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I`m enough lazy to search for proves, but as i remember - the most part of licensed gambling site have their licenses in different countries like Panama or Trinidad and Tobago. So the profit goes to the owner and taxes go somewhere, but not to Russia.
I think noone matters about such a boycott. If i`d be an owner and suffer from such boycott - i just can block all accounts and steal these money. So will it be useful for someone?

But I think if they are operating in the Russia they still need to pay taxes. The boycott was not that big of a deal honestly and I don't think there will be a huge effect in their business and I think blocking all the accounts and stealing money would be good in their end especially if they are a reputable gambling company.
Cryptocurrencies in Russian in a strange situation. The owners of casinos, even if they operate in Russia have no profit and no taxes in cryptocurrencies, until they convert it into fiat money.
If they losing business anyway - it does not matter what will be with their reputation. There is an Ukrainian cashback service LetyShops - they steals money from russian accounts. I don`t want to say is it good or bad decision but the same can do others, in our situation - casinos.

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March 09, 2022, 12:17:50 PM
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An article released earlier this week stating that Swiss Banks in Russia are being advice to close every accounts that is own by Russian citizen, with this move of the EU, this will definitely take a lot of toll in the Russian economy. I've read an article stating that Russia is utilizing its cryptocurrency capability, if the cryptocurrency community have taken sides with Ukraine, this will surely take down half of the Russian Economy. There is also a news where the U.S has stopped the exportation of Russian Oil in their port. Russian economy is now experiencing a serious downfall.

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An article released earlier this week stating that Swiss Banks in Russia are being advice to close every accounts that is own by Russian citizen, with this move of the EU, this will definitely take a lot of toll in the Russian economy. I've read an article stating that Russia is utilizing its cryptocurrency capability, if the cryptocurrency community have taken sides with Ukraine, this will surely take down half of the Russian Economy. There is also a news where the U.S has stopped the exportation of Russian Oil in their port. Russian economy is now experiencing a serious downfall.

Even I have read that US has stopped trading Oil and other commodities from Russia. It will create a major impact on Russia's economical growth.
But I doubt that Russia is planning to use cryptocurrencies because from what I read the Russian banks are still against cryptocurrencies.
Their stance on cryptocurrency is still to ban the usage of all coins.

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So it seems that businesses are themselves closing their terms with the Russians. Restaurants, Visa/Mastercard, Swift and lot of other companies are quitting their services in Russia. I wonder if there is any announcement by the gambling sites to stop there services for Russians. If the war continues and is prolonged, we may see gambling sites updating their term of services and adding Russia in their prohibited countries list.
If it were a gambling site in Russia, maybe they would move their hosting from Russia to another country that wasn't involved in the war. But since the gambling sites are on the internet and are not located somewhere in Russia, they will be easier to move. Yes, it could be that the terms changed on that site because they didn't want to get into trouble.

But even though many businesses are shutting down in Russia, it looks like Russia can still survive because they still have resources at their disposal. Maybe this will create disturbances in other things that can happen considering that Russia has some resources sent to other countries such as oil and so on.

Exactly my sentiment. If you wanted to really sanction online gambling platforms everywhere on the internet, you would need to sanction all online gambling coming out of countries where the russians could possibly relocate all their servers. And even then whats to say there arent more ways to relocate? What if they just used a third party for their relocation of servers or a third party to act as heads of gambling companies... What does this mean? It means sanctioning oil or gas coming out of Russia is possible, as it is something physical. But its not possible for online services.

People are getting too crazy about sanctioning. Its all a hype now.

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