Would you support a collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms?

[carlfebz2]

^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389189.0. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.

But according to the link that you have posted, wasn't it only for March 11 ?
Will Russia be connecting to the global internet again on March 12 ?
What are they going to achieve by cutting off from the global internet just for 24 hours ?

Why they do cut off itself off from the internet? It is because of "continous cyberattacks"
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/russia-may-cut-off-internet-cyberattacks-b2031793.html

But as mentioned on the link that they have no plans to disconnect the internet from the inside.
Too much on being paranoid about boycotting on why people do really have this kind of reaction towards things.If they would consider out on cutting it off
then i cant think that much unto its huge effect in overall.

[retreat]

^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389189.0. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.

China has done this before (closed off to the outside world) so this is nothing new. In addition, VPN and the Tor network have also contributed greatly to citizens whose countries have closed themselves off from the outside internet, for example China and North Korea. boycotting a gambling platform originating from russia is not a wise act imo.

[FatFork]

China has done this before (closed off to the outside world) so this is nothing new. In addition, VPN and the Tor network have also contributed greatly to citizens whose countries have closed themselves off from the outside internet, for example China and North Korea. boycotting a gambling platform originating from russia is not a wise act imo.

It's not as simple as you think. Disconnecting from the global Internet and creating its own separate internet is possible if Russia decides to do so. Despite the fact that VPNs and TOR have been used to gain access to censored sources before, a properly implemented set of controls could effectively prevent their use in the future. Russia already experimented with disconnecting from the Internet in 2019. ^[source]

As a result, refraining from using any financial services from the territory of Russia makes perfect sense, especially in light of recent events. Who would want their money stuck on the other side of the great Russian digital wall?

[Marvelman]

I mean that there are men in this casinos that are paid for reading the board. If they see that a lot of gamblers decided to boycott - the decision to stop withdraw and steal deposits looks logical. If you decided to boycott - firstly withdraw your money.

Wait a minute. What exactly do you think "a boycott" means?

Do you think they are registered in Russia? No, they pay taxes to Panama, Bahamas, Cyprus, etc.

There are many multinational companies owned by Russian oligarchs whose assets are being frozen around the world.

If you really want to boycott Russia - don`t use or minimize using of gas and petrol.

Are you implying that all oil and gas comes from Russia?

If you really want to help Ukraine - don`t gamble but send you money to the Ukraine, host refugees from Ukraine.

In fact, I can do both. I have already donated, and I am organizing a humanitarian action locally in cooperation with the Red Cross. Refugees have not yet reached my country yet, but once they do, I will be happy to offer them all the help I can.

[qwertyup23]

Should be a good initiative as a form of peaceful rally.

However, Putin won't likely feel the negative effect of it. Prior to the start of the invasion, Putin already anticipates that some boycott or any related thing might happen on the process not just in gambling platforms but for the other sectors, businesses, industries etc. as well. He surely knows about it and the consequences their country will face once he push on that war which he actually did.

Russia might not feel the impact of it on their economy for a short-run but it should be if the on-going invasion won't be stopped for long.

Like what I previously mentioned, this movement is not about letting Putin realize the impact of his decisions but to unify forum members that there exists such movement against Russia. It is more on the fact that there are people who are willing to support Ukraine in this war. We all know that by boycotting Russian gambling websites, it will be very minuscule to such effect but having a designated number of people who support such movement will impact the thing as a whole.

Again, such war is very unnecessary and unfortunate. The least thing that we can do is to support Ukrainians on this war and hope that everything will be solved in the end.

[tabas]

Not sure if the root of the war is about politics but what I heard before is about country related stuff, I think Russia got angry because it wasn't included, something like that but whatever reason it is, they are only doing what they can to punish Russians.

Yes, it's all about politics. A war always being triggered due to politics and the division starts from the disagreement of both ends. The Russia is angry because of Ukraine's decision to join EU and NATO. But there's the latest news that Ukraine won't be pursuing its desire to join NATO anymore. But they've signed and requested to be part of EU and I think that's still another factor why Russia is angry because these two countries are like brothers but not anymore now.

[pawanjain]

^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389189.0. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.

But according to the link that you have posted, wasn't it only for March 11 ?
Will Russia be connecting to the global internet again on March 12 ?
What are they going to achieve by cutting off from the global internet just for 24 hours ?

Why they do cut off itself off from the internet? It is because of "continous cyberattacks"
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/russia-may-cut-off-internet-cyberattacks-b2031793.html

But as mentioned on the link that they have no plans to disconnect the internet from the inside.
Too much on being paranoid about boycotting on why people do really have this kind of reaction towards things.If they would consider out on cutting it off
then i cant think that much unto its huge effect in overall.

If it is because of the cyber attacks then the question arises until when will Russia decide to cut off the internet to the outer world.
The cyber attacks can start as soon as when they start the connection to the global internet again.
I guess it will be a while before all the dust settles. The recent events are really devastating.

[mak013]

I mean that there are men in this casinos that are paid for reading the board. If they see that a lot of gamblers decided to boycott - the decision to stop withdraw and steal deposits looks logical. If you decided to boycott - firstly withdraw your money.

Wait a minute. What exactly do you think "a boycott" means?

Don`t use these platforms.

Do you think they are registered in Russia? No, they pay taxes to Panama, Bahamas, Cyprus, etc.

There are many multinational companies owned by Russian oligarchs whose assets are being frozen around the world.

The casinos which you want to boycott are in this list? This casinos based in Russia?

If you really want to boycott Russia - don`t use or minimize using of gas and petrol.

Are you implying that all oil and gas comes from Russia?

Do you can use non-Russian oil and gas, or, probably, you can detect it before buying?

If you really want to help Ukraine - don`t gamble but send you money to the Ukraine, host refugees from Ukraine.

In fact, I can do both. I have already donated, and I am organizing a humanitarian action locally in cooperation with the Red Cross. Refugees have not yet reached my country yet, but once they do, I will be happy to offer them all the help I can.

It`s good that you do both. But before in this thread i saw an idea like "if i win i can donate more".

[stepwilli]

Not sure if the root of the war is about politics but what I heard before is about country related stuff, I think Russia got angry because it wasn't included, something like that but whatever reason it is, they are only doing what they can to punish Russians.

Yes, it's all about politics. A war always being triggered due to politics and the division starts from the disagreement of both ends. The Russia is angry because of Ukraine's decision to join EU and NATO. But there's the latest news that Ukraine won't be pursuing its desire to join NATO anymore. But they've signed and requested to be part of EU and I think that's still another factor why Russia is angry because these two countries are like brothers but not anymore now.

I feel like no matter what, Russia should have tried and solve the dispute with talks and maybe threats. But actually attacking a country and the way they're doing, cannot be approved at all. I wasn't even aware what their dispute was but after reading some articles I got to know the real dispute was Ukraine's desire to join NATO. For anyone who doesn't know why NATO is a problem, basically if any country joins NATO then if attacked by anyone, all the NATO members will attack that country together and Russia obviously close to Ukraine don't want that threat.

As far as boycotting websites or services, I don't think it helps the cause at all, if not make the situation worst.

[perla]

It seems strongly that Putin does not care at all about all the sanctions imposed, and just continues with his actions and warfare. That in turn could have the effect that Europe thinks they should impose even stricter sanctions on Russia, where is this going? I also see it happening in the long run that all Russian athletes are no longer allowed to exercise outdoors. And the next stage would be Russian workers, who work in enough countries in Europe anyway. Where is the border? It is especially unfortunate because those athletes can do nothing about it and are often also against Putin's regime.

[tabas]

Not sure if the root of the war is about politics but what I heard before is about country related stuff, I think Russia got angry because it wasn't included, something like that but whatever reason it is, they are only doing what they can to punish Russians.

Yes, it's all about politics. A war always being triggered due to politics and the division starts from the disagreement of both ends. The Russia is angry because of Ukraine's decision to join EU and NATO. But there's the latest news that Ukraine won't be pursuing its desire to join NATO anymore. But they've signed and requested to be part of EU and I think that's still another factor why Russia is angry because these two countries are like brothers but not anymore now.

I feel like no matter what, Russia should have tried and solve the dispute with talks and maybe threats. But actually attacking a country and the way they're doing, cannot be approved at all. I wasn't even aware what their dispute was but after reading some articles I got to know the real dispute was Ukraine's desire to join NATO. For anyone who doesn't know why NATO is a problem, basically if any country joins NATO then if attacked by anyone, all the NATO members will attack that country together and Russia obviously close to Ukraine don't want that threat.

As far as boycotting websites or services, I don't think it helps the cause at all, if not make the situation worst.

Putin doesn't care about all of those. Even there are threats, sanctions, and rewards for him to be taken, he doesn't care. He's the kind of leader that will push whatever he liked. From what I've read at first when the war has started, everyone is saying that you should start to learn about their history.
But even if we understand their history, we don't like the attacks and we condemn the invasion because no one wants to be in a war, and no one wants to be a casualty during a war.

[Marvelman]

Putin doesn't care about all of those. Even there are threats, sanctions, and rewards for him to be taken, he doesn't care. He's the kind of leader that will push whatever he liked. From what I've read at first when the war has started, everyone is saying that you should start to learn about their history.
But even if we understand their history, we don't like the attacks and we condemn the invasion because no one wants to be in a war, and no one wants to be a casualty during a war.

Yes. These things aren't important to Putin. The west doesn't understand Putin's Ukraine obsession. He is after the land, he is after the wealth, he is after power. He sees it as a soviet-era trend. There is a return to Soviet-era thinking, and it is about territory, wealth and power. Putin is at the center of the story, and this small group of people around him. They are basically the last remnant of Soviet elites. People like these sincerely believe that the West is hostile, who sincerely believe that the West denies Russia its rightful place in the world.

Can sanctions and boycotts stop Putin and end Russia's war in Ukraine? I would say that is unlikely. Just think about the Olympic boycott of Russia. That was a symbolic gesture, even though there was a weak economic impact. But don't forget that it is a huge signal. It may not be enough to win over Putin, but in terms of Russia's international reputation it played an important role.

This doesn't mean that sanctions will be the only way to resolve the crisis. But it is a powerful symbolic signal, and Russians can't ignore it. In the event that Putin leaves the scene, the sanctions and boycotts will disappear. That's my way of thinking.

[virasog]

Putin doesn't care about all of those. Even there are threats, sanctions, and rewards for him to be taken, he doesn't care. He's the kind of leader that will push whatever he liked. From what I've read at first when the war has started, everyone is saying that you should start to learn about their history.
But even if we understand their history, we don't like the attacks and we condemn the invasion because no one wants to be in a war, and no one wants to be a casualty during a war.

Yes. These things aren't important to Putin. The west doesn't understand Putin's Ukraine obsession. He is after the land, he is after the wealth, he is after power. He sees it as a soviet-era trend. There is a return to Soviet-era thinking, and it is about territory, wealth and power. Putin is at the center of the story, and this small group of people around him. They are basically the last remnant of Soviet elites. People like these sincerely believe that the West is hostile, who sincerely believe that the West denies Russia its rightful place in the world.

Can sanctions and boycotts stop Putin and end Russia's war in Ukraine? I would say that is unlikely. Just think about the Olympic boycott of Russia. That was a symbolic gesture, even though there was a weak economic impact. But don't forget that it is a huge signal. It may not be enough to win over Putin, but in terms of Russia's international reputation it played an important role.

This doesn't mean that sanctions will be the only way to resolve the crisis. But it is a powerful symbolic signal, and Russians can't ignore it. In the event that Putin leaves the scene, the sanctions and boycotts will disappear. That's my way of thinking.

It is very unlikely that Putin will leave the scene. He will lead the Russian till his death.
My question is more reasonable if this war between Ukraine and Russia comes to an end, will the sanctions on Russia be lifted? Even with Putin in power, will bodies like Olympic and FIFA allow Russians to participate?
I don't hear or know any gambling platform that puts sanctions on Russians. Is there any?

[acroman08]

It is very unlikely that Putin will leave the scene. He will lead the Russian till his death.
My question is more reasonable if this war between Ukraine and Russia comes to an end, will the sanctions on Russia be lifted?

if the war ever ended NATO or the west will take this opportunity to take advantage of the situation and ask for something in return if they are going to lift the sanction that has been put on Russia. not sure what they'll ask but I am certain that they will ask for something.

Even with Putin in power, will bodies like Olympic and FIFA allow Russians to participate?

if the sanctions have been lifted I don't see any reason why sports bodies would continue to prohibit Russian athletes to participate, unless the prohibition has nothing to do with the sanctions.

I don't hear or know any gambling platform that puts sanctions on Russians. Is there any?

I don't know about any bitcoin casinos. but I did a little google search and it seems that PokerStars suspended their operation in Russia and froze Costumer's funds from Russia

https://pokerfuse.com/news/industry/217307-pokerstars-exits-russia-freezes-customer-funds/

[swogerino]

Putin doesn't care about all of those. Even there are threats, sanctions, and rewards for him to be taken, he doesn't care. He's the kind of leader that will push whatever he liked. From what I've read at first when the war has started, everyone is saying that you should start to learn about their history.
But even if we understand their history, we don't like the attacks and we condemn the invasion because no one wants to be in a war, and no one wants to be a casualty during a war.

Yes. These things aren't important to Putin. The west doesn't understand Putin's Ukraine obsession. He is after the land, he is after the wealth, he is after power. He sees it as a soviet-era trend. There is a return to Soviet-era thinking, and it is about territory, wealth and power. Putin is at the center of the story, and this small group of people around him. They are basically the last remnant of Soviet elites. People like these sincerely believe that the West is hostile, who sincerely believe that the West denies Russia its rightful place in the world.

Can sanctions and boycotts stop Putin and end Russia's war in Ukraine? I would say that is unlikely. Just think about the Olympic boycott of Russia. That was a symbolic gesture, even though there was a weak economic impact. But don't forget that it is a huge signal. It may not be enough to win over Putin, but in terms of Russia's international reputation it played an important role.

This doesn't mean that sanctions will be the only way to resolve the crisis. But it is a powerful symbolic signal, and Russians can't ignore it. In the event that Putin leaves the scene, the sanctions and boycotts will disappear. That's my way of thinking.

It is very unlikely that Putin will leave the scene. He will lead the Russian till his death.
My question is more reasonable if this war between Ukraine and Russia comes to an end, will the sanctions on Russia be lifted? Even with Putin in power, will bodies like Olympic and FIFA allow Russians to participate?
I don't hear or know any gambling platform that puts sanctions on Russians. Is there any?

Absolutely not.The sanctions will go on for much longer,the world will not forget that easily what Putin and Russia did as we cannot blame one single man for such big scale invasion of a free sovereign country.It is backed by most of the Russian population,surely they are lied day and night by the Kremlin propaganda but in the end if they wanted another source of news I am sure there are many alternatives in our time technology backed like the Internet and a VPN which can tell you the truth and not just a distort reality like Kremlin does.

[Flexystar]

There is no point for this boycott at all. The money is going in and out of casino for the civilian use or whose gambling it. This money is not black money which is operative for the military actions. Only businesses that are in relation with the War should be boycotted from the Russia. For example, international trades with them to show them long term bad effect on the Russian economy.

What casino has to do with the future of Russia? The money is getting gambled in the Russia and being utilised inside itself. That won’t make much difference to it.

[tabas]

Putin doesn't care about all of those. Even there are threats, sanctions, and rewards for him to be taken, he doesn't care. He's the kind of leader that will push whatever he liked. From what I've read at first when the war has started, everyone is saying that you should start to learn about their history.
But even if we understand their history, we don't like the attacks and we condemn the invasion because no one wants to be in a war, and no one wants to be a casualty during a war.

Yes. These things aren't important to Putin. The west doesn't understand Putin's Ukraine obsession. He is after the land, he is after the wealth, he is after power. He sees it as a soviet-era trend. There is a return to Soviet-era thinking, and it is about territory, wealth and power. Putin is at the center of the story, and this small group of people around him. They are basically the last remnant of Soviet elites. People like these sincerely believe that the West is hostile, who sincerely believe that the West denies Russia its rightful place in the world.

Can sanctions and boycotts stop Putin and end Russia's war in Ukraine? I would say that is unlikely. Just think about the Olympic boycott of Russia. That was a symbolic gesture, even though there was a weak economic impact. But don't forget that it is a huge signal. It may not be enough to win over Putin, but in terms of Russia's international reputation it played an important role.

This doesn't mean that sanctions will be the only way to resolve the crisis. But it is a powerful symbolic signal, and Russians can't ignore it. In the event that Putin leaves the scene, the sanctions and boycotts will disappear. That's my way of thinking.

That's the only way that the sanctions will be gone and that is when Putin has stopped or gone. Otherwise, the war is going to continue and on the side of Ukraine, its allies will continue to fund them and help them in other means that they can. Like sending arms and money but when it comes to the point that they've sent troops and armies from other nations, we'll get to see how Putin is going to react on it and for sure that'll be the world war 3.

[mdzahed134]

Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.

If we plan to boycott everything out of Russia, then it'll surely make some impact on Russia's economy. Same time we need to think, afterall these are all businesses owned by Russians. Only a small population of Russians are into making war whereas the majority are against the war and are protesting against the government. So, what we do could affect everyone for the mistake from a small group.

Not some impact, in Russian economy has started to have a much worse effect as inflation is their biggest problem now i think, because of a few major sanctions by biden administration. Most of the civilian people will suffer because of this war, So they stand against it. I see a lot of russian gambling sites, but i don't see a popular sites from Russia without 1xbet & 1xbit though both of these already scam.

[michellee]

I disagree - the super power keeps on imposing there power shows on the weak countries and there is no stopping till date. They know they are the lawmakers and lawbreakers. Whatever they like, they are free to do anything to anyone. They can call one nation/ group terrorists and they make friends with them when the deem fit. I second those who think Putin is carefree of the sanctions.

We know that Russia is not a weak country. Maybe that's why Putin doesn't really care about the sanctions he's already received from other countries. It seems that Putin is very confident in all the power he has and it really is. We know that supplies from Russia contribute to the world and if it were to be stopped, there is a possibility that the supplies will disrupt. And this is why Putin doesn't give much thought to the impact of the sanctions imposed on him. Other countries that need supplies from Putin will try to save money until it's all over and we don't know when the war will end.

[swogerino]

I disagree - the super power keeps on imposing there power shows on the weak countries and there is no stopping till date. They know they are the lawmakers and lawbreakers. Whatever they like, they are free to do anything to anyone. They can call one nation/ group terrorists and they make friends with them when the deem fit. I second those who think Putin is carefree of the sanctions.

We know that Russia is not a weak country. Maybe that's why Putin doesn't really care about the sanctions he's already received from other countries. It seems that Putin is very confident in all the power he has and it really is. We know that supplies from Russia contribute to the world and if it were to be stopped, there is a possibility that the supplies will disrupt. And this is why Putin doesn't give much thought to the impact of the sanctions imposed on him. Other countries that need supplies from Putin will try to save money until it's all over and we don't know when the war will end.

He is thinking that he has a lot of wheat and corn to export and together with Ukraine they stand for 34% of all the world trade for such goods.He also wants to get the South of Ukraine because there is a lot of lithium there to power the batteries of electric cars beside having all the wheat and corn which are basic goods.He thinks that if he manages to invade Ukraine and make Ukraine part of Russia he will be even more powerful than he already is.It is not as they say he has a dream of bringing back USSR rather for me he wants to become an economic super power because so far Russia may be a great country but with a really poor economy.Average salary of a teacher is like 250-300 EUR in 2020 as latest indicator which is pathetic for any European country standard.