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All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.
All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions.
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March 10, 2022, 05:31:13 PM |
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All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.
All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions. A perverse plan to be honest. I think few people know people like Roman Abramovich or Alisher Usmanov, they owned partially or completely such unknown clubs as Chelsea, Arsenal, Monaco. This is not counting a couple more English clubs, a league below. Of course before no one in England or in the europe knew where they got the money from, how they got it, who gave it to them. They just came up and took all money, all billions from oil. And then suddenly everyone "saw the light" at once. Before that, it was probably not visible all this. It is not visible how the oligarchs bought superyachts in Europe and huge mansions on the coast of Nice. But of course ordinary fans should suffer, whose football was an outlet, but now they have been deprived of it. Oligarchs now travel quietly in Europe. I didn't hear that any of them were badly hurt. When everything settles down, Chelsea and other teams will buy again.
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March 10, 2022, 05:40:45 PM |
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^ I dont know if this has already been posted it here but it is a bit scary and I am worried when President Putin says this. ( "Don’t you dare enter military affairs, stick to football. Russia will play at Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup or there will be no World Cup to talk about.”) https://twitter.com/babra_williams/status/1500072304478408704There is a lot of Tweet on Twitter and I will not drop more links here just research your own. How does anyone think on this is FIFA will continue because of what Putin said? If you do see most of the replies it was been talking about being fake news which in all sanctions that Russia is facing on then i dont see that Putin would really put up some emphasis just on sport industry alone and would really give out those kind of threats which turns out to be that dictatorial which somehow not surprising but i wont really be seeing for it to be childish for him to make out such step. If this was true then that would surely put up some doubts on totally making out such decision on the entire organization.
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That made sense, other than considering it as a sole sanction. This should also be something to consider, because this will cause an unexpected chaos that'll broaden the tension between 2 countries. This war has affected so many lives particularly for the both Russia and Ukraine.
Russian bettors also gets affected as their favourite team won't be able to continue playing. So that means they'll need to opt to a different team, which might be less comfortable to put a bet for them.
To this day I have not heard of the effects of the sanctions imposed in the field of sports. Russia is still convinced of its aggression and war. I don't think it's a good strategic move from FIFA, because Russia also has a league played by outsiders. The Russians must have thought far about the doubt, so it seems they didn't pay much attention to that. Financially, they may be able to stand on their own. So they think the threat to state security is far more important than anything else.
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March 10, 2022, 06:01:33 PM |
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There wasn't much FIFA could do about it, because that was the choice of Russia's opponents to not play against them and it was out of FIFA's control to force anyone to play in such circumstances, otherwise there wouldn't be any competition at all and only Russia would remain active on the world cup qualifiers, with every other national teams lefting it meanwhile. I feel sorry for russian players who are against this invasion and would like to represent their country on the world cup with the same strength and vitality they did in 2018, but were unfortunatelly prejudiced by the actions of their national leader.
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March 10, 2022, 09:37:37 PM |
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I feel sorry for russian players who are against this invasion and would like to represent their country on the world cup with the same strength and vitality they did in 2018, but were unfortunatelly prejudiced by the actions of their national leader.
I used to feel sorry in the beginning but after seeing people who support the war on social media and write Z on their cars I no longer do. Russians are being brainwashed and they even say that they're planning to endure this like they always do. They will never rebel, they blame the West. It's a tragedy for both countries but Russians are to blame for everything that is going on. I'm actually happy they were disqualified, especially after the following: The behavior of an unhealthy person was very well demonstrated by Marina Ulyankina, coach of the Russian national gymnastics team. She commented on the sanctions on the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes in competitions. Instead of influencing her regime, the coach resorted to intimidation. This time she turned to Japan. We must remind Watanabe – Hiroshima and Nagasaki, – Ulyankina wrote on social networks. Morinari Watanabe is a Japanese businessman who is the president of the International Gymnastics Federation. https://thetimeshub.in/we-must-remind-watanabe-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-the-russian-coach-scares-japan-with-nuclear-weapons
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March 11, 2022, 12:04:45 AM |
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I feel sorry for russian players who are against this invasion and would like to represent their country on the world cup with the same strength and vitality they did in 2018, but were unfortunatelly prejudiced by the actions of their national leader.
I used to feel sorry in the beginning but after seeing people who support the war on social media and write Z on their cars I no longer do. Russians are being brainwashed and they even say that they're planning to endure this like they always do. They will never rebel, they blame the West. It's a tragedy for both countries but Russians are to blame for everything that is going on. I'm actually happy they were disqualified, especially after the following: The behavior of an unhealthy person was very well demonstrated by Marina Ulyankina, coach of the Russian national gymnastics team. She commented on the sanctions on the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes in competitions. Instead of influencing her regime, the coach resorted to intimidation. This time she turned to Japan. We must remind Watanabe – Hiroshima and Nagasaki, – Ulyankina wrote on social networks. Morinari Watanabe is a Japanese businessman who is the president of the International Gymnastics Federation. https://thetimeshub.in/we-must-remind-watanabe-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-the-russian-coach-scares-japan-with-nuclear-weaponsI don't know what to think about it, because russian captured prisioners said they didn't even know they were going to invade Ukraine, neither their families, while others said they received the information the country was dominated by fascists. So there are lots of lies and misinformation going on in Russia and people there don't have access to the media like people from another countries (I'm not sure if it is due to ignorance or if free media and free access to internet is restricted there). But regards the statement of the national gymnastics team's coach, it is shameful and disgusting, however it is expected people in command positions like this will act this way, because they will praise and endorse their leader's opinions and positions maximum as possible to earn points with the high command... Every countries have this type of scum people. On the other hand, I'm not sure if the rest of the population agree with these threats and the bully style of Putin and his lacays towards another sovereight nations. What do you think?
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There wasn't much FIFA could do about it, because that was the choice of Russia's opponents to not play against them and it was out of FIFA's control to force anyone to play in such circumstances, otherwise there wouldn't be any competition at all and only Russia would remain active on the world cup qualifiers, with every other national teams lefting it meanwhile. I feel sorry for russian players who are against this invasion and would like to represent their country on the world cup with the same strength and vitality they did in 2018, but were unfortunatelly prejudiced by the actions of their national leader.
The first decision from FIFA was fair to both the sides. Initially they asked Russian team to play under the banner of the Russian Football Association and shifted the matches from Russia to a neutral country. Then due to pressure from the US and the NATO bloc, the FIFA modified their initial decision and imposed a blanket ban on Russia and Belarus. Will their decision impact the ongoing war in anyway? I don't think so. It will just make Putin more determined to carry on with his invasion. In the end FIFA will witness football losing popularity to other sports in the Eurasian bloc.
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The country that started this war is Russia. Of course, there would be sanctions in some way, but I don't think football teams played a role in this. I think they could have continued the tournament. However, if there were teams with statements that could defend the war, they could have been eliminated. I have a lot of Russian friends who do not approve of Putin's war decision.
That is the disadvantage of war it favours no one and it affects everything within the country in one way or the other, reason why Russia case is very critical is because many countries are not in support of them that is why they are been given sanctions that will not only affect the president but good citizens of Russia.
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Yesterday was the Europa League matches for passing to 1/4, but unfortunately the match Leipzig - Spartak Moscow was cancelled due to the disqualification of Spartak due to the total ban of everything Russian. I can no longer remember the last time Spartak got past the group stages. But it turns out that it didn't work out this time either.
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March 11, 2022, 11:14:59 AM |
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the continuation of the last 16 of the Europa League has just finished the first leg, but an interesting event occurred in the RB leipzig match which was supposed to be against Spartak Moscow but the match could not take place because Russia and Spartak Moscow were fined by UEFA so they could not participate in the Europe League event, then it is certain that RB leipzig advances automatically to the next round of course this raises pros and cons considering UEFA took the decision to disqualify Spartak Moscow and Russia in various football events under the auspices of UEFA and FIFA
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March 11, 2022, 01:19:34 PM |
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All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.
All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions. A perverse plan to be honest. I think few people know people like Roman Abramovich or Alisher Usmanov, they owned partially or completely such unknown clubs as Chelsea, Arsenal, Monaco. This is not counting a couple more English clubs, a league below. Of course before no one in England or in the europe knew where they got the money from, how they got it, who gave it to them. They just came up and took all money, all billions from oil. And then suddenly everyone "saw the light" at once. Before that, it was probably not visible all this. It is not visible how the oligarchs bought superyachts in Europe and huge mansions on the coast of Nice. But of course ordinary fans should suffer, whose football was an outlet, but now they have been deprived of it. Oligarchs now travel quietly in Europe. I didn't hear that any of them were badly hurt. When everything settles down, Chelsea and other teams will buy again. The reasoning of the UEFA and FIFA is different than you think and I must say when I read their statement it made sense to me: They are saying that Ukraine's can't participate in sports activities right now because they have no administration and no practicing anymore because of the Russian war. None of the Ukraine sportsmen and women is to blame for the war, but they are the one's who can't participate in any competition. It would then be wrong to allow Russians to participate while their country invades another country: It is not against Russians, it is for justice between the Russians and the Ukrainians. There is some more background to that and I get their point. Also keep in mind that Russia is still be dealing with sanctions because of doping and so on. I think it is time to really take a stand against Russian practices in general. Russian sportsmen and women in the future should refuse to participate in illegal practices. I know probably everyone does, but Russia took it way beyond any acceptable limit (if there is something like an acceptable limit at all....)
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All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.
All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions. A perverse plan to be honest. I think few people know people like Roman Abramovich or Alisher Usmanov, they owned partially or completely such unknown clubs as Chelsea, Arsenal, Monaco. This is not counting a couple more English clubs, a league below. Of course before no one in England or in the europe knew where they got the money from, how they got it, who gave it to them. They just came up and took all money, all billions from oil. And then suddenly everyone "saw the light" at once. Before that, it was probably not visible all this. It is not visible how the oligarchs bought superyachts in Europe and huge mansions on the coast of Nice. But of course ordinary fans should suffer, whose football was an outlet, but now they have been deprived of it. Oligarchs now travel quietly in Europe. I didn't hear that any of them were badly hurt. When everything settles down, Chelsea and other teams will buy again. The reasoning of the UEFA and FIFA is different than you think and I must say when I read their statement it made sense to me: They are saying that Ukraine's can't participate in sports activities right now because they have no administration and no practicing anymore because of the Russian war. None of the Ukraine sportsmen and women is to blame for the war, but they are the one's who can't participate in any competition. It would then be wrong to allow Russians to participate while their country invades another country: It is not against Russians, it is for justice between the Russians and the Ukrainians. There is some more background to that and I get their point. Also keep in mind that Russia is still be dealing with sanctions because of doping and so on. I think it is time to really take a stand against Russian practices in general. Russian sportsmen and women in the future should refuse to participate in illegal practices. I know probably everyone does, but Russia took it way beyond any acceptable limit (if there is something like an acceptable limit at all....) Well, for example, should the United States of America be excluded from competitions for Iraq and Afghanistan, for example? The national teams of those countries could not participate competitively either because their country was razed to the ground. Although most of the athletes are from those countries were not terrorists and did not support any terrorist organizations. Or the ban can only apply to certain countries and, for example, the United States, it should not apply for some reason? Therefore, FIFA must be completely consistent and exclude all countries that organize wars. Otherwise, it becomes clear that FIFA is just a tool in the hands of politicians and nothing more.
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the continuation of the last 16 of the Europa League has just finished the first leg, but an interesting event occurred in the RB leipzig match which was supposed to be against Spartak Moscow but the match could not take place because Russia and Spartak Moscow were fined by UEFA so they could not participate in the Europe League event, then it is certain that RB leipzig advances automatically to the next round of course this raises pros and cons considering UEFA took the decision to disqualify Spartak Moscow and Russia in various football events under the auspices of UEFA and FIFA
I think passing over to the next stage by the German club, Leipzig is the natural thing to happen because the Russia has been banned for invasion of Ukraine and so all her clubs will also get affected. It is a form of walk over for the club against the opponents until all the Russian clubs will go out from the competitions they are involved in. This is unfortunate and it is affecting club owners also like Abrahimovic.
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the continuation of the last 16 of the Europa League has just finished the first leg, but an interesting event occurred in the RB leipzig match which was supposed to be against Spartak Moscow but the match could not take place because Russia and Spartak Moscow were fined by UEFA so they could not participate in the Europe League event, then it is certain that RB leipzig advances automatically to the next round of course this raises pros and cons considering UEFA took the decision to disqualify Spartak Moscow and Russia in various football events under the auspices of UEFA and FIFA
I think passing over to the next stage by the German club, Leipzig is the natural thing to happen because the Russia has been banned for invasion of Ukraine and so all her clubs will also get affected. It is a form of walk over for the club against the opponents until all the Russian clubs will go out from the competitions they are involved in. This is unfortunate and it is affecting club owners also like Abrahimovic. it is not very clear why "Naturally"? Spartak is a private club sponsored by a private team whose shares were sold on foreign exchanges. What did Spartak have to do with the events in Ukraine? The situation with the national team is "clear", it is a national team that is sponsored by the state, but why suspend a club sponsored by a private team. In addition, Spartak does not often enter the playoffs of the Europa League, in order to also suspend him along with everyone else.
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the continuation of the last 16 of the Europa League has just finished the first leg, but an interesting event occurred in the RB leipzig match which was supposed to be against Spartak Moscow but the match could not take place because Russia and Spartak Moscow were fined by UEFA so they could not participate in the Europe League event, then it is certain that RB leipzig advances automatically to the next round of course this raises pros and cons considering UEFA took the decision to disqualify Spartak Moscow and Russia in various football events under the auspices of UEFA and FIFA
I personally never agree if UEFA/FIFA impose sanctions on clubs from Russia, because so far the club has no interest at all with political issues, in fact with the sanctions UEFA have made blunders against what they have been campaigning so far " If sports cannot be mixed up with politics", besides if UEFA/FIFA has clearly shown us that they have rules that are double standards against countries that have previously attacked or invaded in the middle east so far.
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it is not very clear why "Naturally"? Spartak is a private club sponsored by a private team whose shares were sold on foreign exchanges. What did Spartak have to do with the events in Ukraine? The situation with the national team is "clear", it is a national team that is sponsored by the state, but why suspend a club sponsored by a private team. In addition, Spartak does not often enter the playoffs of the Europa League, in order to also suspend him along with everyone else.
Well I'm just explaining what I think is the possible situation to that. I'm not a party to what is happening but analysis on the effect of the sanctions on Russia is what the fact is. The sanction is targetted on the Russian empire if I can cover it that way. So it doesn't look into who owns the club but under which country that the club is operating. Spartak is in Russia, under the Russia league so I think that may be a reason.
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March 12, 2022, 05:35:34 PM |
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FIFA does not like government interfering in sports, and that is why FIFA does not think twice banning any country whose politicians try to mess up sporting activities. But why is FIFA now interfering in governance and politics of countries? Russia deserves all the sanctions it has received and nobody disagrees with that. What people are not happy with is why FIFA choose to speak out in this case while it overlooked other cases of countries attacking other weak ones around them. We know Europe and FIFA are trying to put fear in Putin by sanctioning Russia to see if he slows down by the sanctions.
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March 12, 2022, 05:52:27 PM |
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FIFA does not like government interfering in sports, and that is why FIFA does not think twice banning any country whose politicians try to mess up sporting activities. But why is FIFA now interfering in governance and politics of countries? Russia deserves all the sanctions it has received and nobody disagrees with that. What people are not happy with is why FIFA choose to speak out in this case while it overlooked other cases of countries attacking other weak ones around them. We know Europe and FIFA are trying to put fear in Putin by sanctioning Russia to see if he slows down by the sanctions.
The situation in Russia and Ukraine is more complicated compared to others that can be mentioned and in this case Russia got more than far above half of countries of the world against them which got them many sanction. This is a life matter that the world feels Russia is arrogantly usurping power against Ukraine. And which countries make up FIFA mostly ?
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March 12, 2022, 06:39:51 PM |
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FIFA does not like government interfering in sports, and that is why FIFA does not think twice banning any country whose politicians try to mess up sporting activities. But why is FIFA now interfering in governance and politics of countries? Russia deserves all the sanctions it has received and nobody disagrees with that. What people are not happy with is why FIFA choose to speak out in this case while it overlooked other cases of countries attacking other weak ones around them. We know Europe and FIFA are trying to put fear in Putin by sanctioning Russia to see if he slows down by the sanctions.
Such strict sanctions that are imposed every new day, they are connected with the fact that all this happening in Europe and affects the interests of Europe. If all this had happened in Africa, in the Middle East, it would have been all the same and the teams would have played and no one would have been banned. Did someone ban Saudi Arabia for the war in Yemen, the United States for the war in Iraq? Europe has finally decided to play seriously, without jokes, so the punishments fall on everyone indiscriminately. It doesn't matter if you're guilty or not.
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