FIFA and UEFA has suspended Russian Football teams.

[mv1986]

All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.

All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions.

A perverse plan to be honest. I think few people know people like Roman Abramovich or Alisher Usmanov, they owned partially or completely such unknown clubs as Chelsea, Arsenal, Monaco. This is not counting a couple more English clubs, a league below.
Of course before no one in England or in the europe knew where they got the money from, how they got it, who gave it to them. They just came up and took all money, all billions from oil.
And then suddenly everyone "saw the light" at once. Before that, it was probably not visible all this. It is not visible how the oligarchs bought superyachts in Europe and huge mansions on the coast of Nice. But of course ordinary fans should suffer, whose football was an outlet, but now they have been deprived of it. Oligarchs now travel quietly in Europe. I didn't hear that any of them were badly hurt.  When everything settles down, Chelsea and other teams will buy again.

The reasoning of the UEFA and FIFA is different than you think and I must say when I read their statement it made sense to me:

They are saying that Ukraine's can't participate in sports activities right now because they have no administration and no practicing anymore because of the Russian war. None of the Ukraine sportsmen and women is to blame for the war, but they are the one's who can't participate in any competition. It would then be wrong to allow Russians to participate while their country invades another country: It is not against Russians, it is for justice between the Russians and the Ukrainians. There is some more background to that and I get their point. Also keep in mind that Russia is still be dealing with sanctions because of doping and so on. I think it is time to really take a stand against Russian practices in general. Russian sportsmen and women in the future should refuse to participate in illegal practices. I know probably everyone does, but Russia took it way beyond any acceptable limit (if there is something like an acceptable limit at all....)

Well, for example, should the United States of America be excluded from competitions for Iraq and Afghanistan, for example? The national teams of those countries could not participate competitively either because their country was razed to the ground. Although most of the athletes are from those countries were not terrorists and did not support any terrorist organizations. Or the ban can only apply to certain countries and, for example, the United States, it should not apply for some reason?
Therefore, FIFA must be completely consistent and exclude all countries that organize wars. Otherwise, it becomes clear that FIFA is just a tool in the hands of politicians and nothing more.

I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.

[Johnyz]

I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.

USA cause a lot of war in the past years, and they didn’t even suffer any suspension or any sanctions maybe because many countries are afraid of them or they just made a lot of allies that can support them from a war. I just can’t get the reason why a sporting events are getting into action with regards to war, as far as I know the athletes are not the reason why the war started. Well, this is already happening and maybe we can expect more of this if some countries also started with a war, sanctions is another form of economic war most probably.

[Gozie51]

I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.

USA cause a lot of war in the past years, and they didn’t even suffer any suspension or any sanctions maybe because many countries are afraid of them or they just made a lot of allies that can support them from a war. I just can’t get the reason why a sporting events are getting into action with regards to war, as far as I know the athletes are not the reason why the war started. Well, this is already happening and maybe we can expect more of this if some countries also started with a war, sanctions is another form of economic war most probably.

Maybe FIFA is looking at exceptional cases or it is just a new idealogy that has come to their mind. The case of US and Iraq, I guess it had a cause which was the 9/11 bumping of world trade center, pentagon and other misses of attacks (like the white house). So I believe US traced their suspect there or something which I may not know the exact information for that but if that was so, I guess US could be justified if they went searching but then maybe FIFA is looking the whole thing from different perspective.

[Sithara007]

Maybe FIFA is looking at exceptional cases or it is just a new idealogy that has come to their mind. The case of US and Iraq, I guess it had a cause which was the 9/11 bumping of world trade center, pentagon and other misses of attacks (like the white house). So I believe US traced their suspect there or something which I may not know the exact information for that but if that was so, I guess US could be justified if they went searching but then maybe FIFA is looking the whole thing from different perspective.

You are nuts, if you believe that the 9/11 attacks had anything to do with Iraq. The Ba'ath regimes of Saddam Hussain in Iraq and Assad in Syria were secular, and they managed to keep Islamists out of power for many decades. The American invasion tried to overthrow these regimes and install Islamists in power. They were successful in Iraq, but failed in Syria. And the 9/11 attacks were planned and executed by the Taliban, an outfit that was created and trained by the Americans themselves to fight against the USSR in Afghanistan.

[Marvell1]

Maybe FIFA is looking at exceptional cases or it is just a new idealogy that has come to their mind. The case of US and Iraq, I guess it had a cause which was the 9/11 bumping of world trade center, pentagon and other misses of attacks (like the white house). So I believe US traced their suspect there or something which I may not know the exact information for that but if that was so, I guess US could be justified if they went searching but then maybe FIFA is looking the whole thing from different perspective.

It's not a consideration, it's football that has been politically tampered with. The US is the country that has caused the most conflicts since World War II, but it does not appear to be blamed by the United Nations or other nations.
The act of not allowing Russia to participate in the World Cup is an evil political act of the US and Nato governments.
Football is considered a sport regardless of color, race and equality, but America is polluting the purity of the sport.

[hahay]

But it seems that a move like this has no real effect for Russia itself, because even though many teams have been suspended and also many of them have received other policies such as account freezing that befell Roman Abramovich. In fact Russia is still on the offensive, not even a serious response from their president with what happened with the suspended team and other things too. Meanwhile, the suspension will be relaxed or released after the war subsides or ends, if there is no point of peace then of course it will be very worrying because it is very possible that the war will get wider.

[mindrust]

Maybe FIFA is looking at exceptional cases or it is just a new idealogy that has come to their mind. The case of US and Iraq, I guess it had a cause which was the 9/11 bumping of world trade center, pentagon and other misses of attacks (like the white house). So I believe US traced their suspect there or something which I may not know the exact information for that but if that was so, I guess US could be justified if they went searching but then maybe FIFA is looking the whole thing from different perspective.

You are nuts, if you believe that the 9/11 attacks had anything to do with Iraq. The Ba'ath regimes of Saddam Hussain in Iraq and Assad in Syria were secular, and they managed to keep Islamists out of power for many decades. The American invasion tried to overthrow these regimes and install Islamists in power. They were successful in Iraq, but failed in Syria. And the 9/11 attacks were planned and executed by the Taliban, an outfit that was created and trained by the Americans themselves to fight against the USSR in Afghanistan.

That's why lots of people hate the US nowadays. When you overthrow the legitimate secular rulers of a state and bring islamist terrorists instead, lots of smart people won't like this and remember it for the rest of their lives. The US couldn't do this shit in Syria and I am grateful to Putin for standing against it. If Russia wasn't there, Syria was another Moslem Brotherhood state now.

[galambo]

I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.

FIFA and UEFA had made mistakes many times not just once. Iraq was invaded and nothing happened, same for Afghanistan and Libya. But this time since an ally of USA and west was invaded we are seeing sanctions and protest against Russia. The world has dual face, one of weak and other for powerful.

Ask Russia and they will tell you why they attack ukarine, for them reason may be bigger then 9/11.

[Gosgosking]

I wouldn't blame Russia footballers or athletic for all this  things that are happening,  it is not their fault and they nothing about it FIFA would have bear with them knowing that every blame and fault is from the Russia president,  innocent citizens should not be hold responsible for the action of Russia president.

[mv1986]

I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.

FIFA and UEFA had made mistakes many times not just once. Iraq was invaded and nothing happened, same for Afghanistan and Libya. But this time since an ally of USA and west was invaded we are seeing sanctions and protest against Russia. The world has dual face, one of weak and other for powerful.

Ask Russia and they will tell you why they attack ukarine, for them reason may be bigger then 9/11.

Again, I am not saying that the UEFA and FIFA didn't make mistakes in the past. My question to you is: should they rather correct those mistakes in the future or should they keep making mistakes for everyone because they did it for the USA in the past? If we follow that logic we'll be going back to Stone Age. If X kills a member of family Y, family Y MUST kill one member of family X. No other options can be considered. Sounds smart.

[Polkeins]

I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.

FIFA and UEFA had made mistakes many times not just once. Iraq was invaded and nothing happened, same for Afghanistan and Libya. But this time since an ally of USA and west was invaded we are seeing sanctions and protest against Russia. The world has dual face, one of weak and other for powerful.

Ask Russia and they will tell you why they attack ukarine, for them reason may be bigger then 9/11.

Again, I am not saying that the UEFA and FIFA didn't make mistakes in the past. My question to you is: should they rather correct those mistakes in the future or should they keep making mistakes for everyone because they did it for the USA in the past? If we follow that logic we'll be going back to Stone Age. If X kills a member of family Y, family Y MUST kill one member of family X. No other options can be considered. Sounds smart.

The question here is rather not about the future and the past, whether the United States should be excluded in the future, but that double standards rule in the world - when nothing happens to the "strong" countries, and weak countries receive sanctions, and most often for giving back.
It is clear that now they will say that Russia attacked Ukraine and this is justified, but what about Saudi Arabia, which attacked Yemen, and Israel, which is fighting in the Gaza Strip.
Fifa turns a blind eye to this because they are all under the protection of the United States and a lot of money is involved there.
Therefore, it would be fair for Fifa not to interfere in politics at all, or to exclude ANYONE who starts a war \ special operation and attacks another country, regardless of his motives.

[bittraffic]

I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.

FIFA and UEFA had made mistakes many times not just once. Iraq was invaded and nothing happened, same for Afghanistan and Libya. But this time since an ally of USA and west was invaded we are seeing sanctions and protest against Russia. The world has dual face, one of weak and other for powerful.

Ask Russia and they will tell you why they attack ukarine, for them reason may be bigger then 9/11.

Again, I am not saying that the UEFA and FIFA didn't make mistakes in the past. My question to you is: should they rather correct those mistakes in the future or should they keep making mistakes for everyone because they did it for the USA in the past? If we follow that logic we'll be going back to Stone Age. If X kills a member of family Y, family Y MUST kill one member of family X. No other options can be considered. Sounds smart.

Nothing can be corrected in the past but they could change the future. It's surprising that we don't talk about why there was the need to occupy Ukraine in the first place but after finding out so many US-funded biological laboratories in Ukraine, I think it's justified for them as much as 9/11. Russians however prevented the version of 9/11 in their country.

But the sports organizations seem to have found themselves in predicament because of world politics which sanctioning the athletes is much easier to do than finding a fair judgment.

[Ondekinecakabilirim]

Bad decision for everyone. I don't think football clubs have anything to do with politics. Sports and politics are different categories. Therefore, I think it is a wrong idea to ban football clubs from tournaments due to political imposition. Because you cannot punish the right person with this prohibition. The Russian Government has faced dozens of economic sanctions. But they did not give up on their decision. Why should they take this sanction seriously? Sanctioning football clubs does not punish the right person. I think the decision is wrong.

[og kush420]

If you want my answer with emotions, my answer will be good decision. Because Russia stands on war was not changed yet.Most of us not get out from the corona impact and Corona news. What made Russian to fight and kill the people of Ukraine. Only the International idea person can give a clear explanation for this. After corona, many country was recovering only now, but this war news was unacceptable to many country peoples.

Very right - we were not out of Corona War and yet to see another war. Heard on my local news channel that Three Nato leader, Polish, Czech and Salvocien had travelled to KYIV to attend talks. The global reaction can show to the world that war is not much appreciated in the modern time. I wish the same kind of reaction would have been shown earlier when innocent muslim were killed in many islamic states - this would not have happen.

[wxa7115]

^ I dont know if this has already been posted it here but it is a bit scary and I am worried when President Putin says this.
( "Don’t you dare enter military affairs, stick to football. Russia will play at Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup or there will be no World Cup to talk about.”)
https://twitter.com/babra_williams/status/1500072304478408704
There is a lot of Tweet on Twitter and I will not drop more links here just research your own. How does anyone think on this is FIFA will continue because of what Putin said?

Those comments have received a lot of publicity but other than a world war I do not see how the world cup can be stopped, in all honestly I am surprised that Putin took the time to comment on the issue, after all when we consider the resistance that he is facing at Ukraine or the huge economic sanctions that Russia received, being disqualified from the UEFA playoffs seems like something small on comparison.

Still I would not worry about something like this, it is true the Russian army is strong but at the same time Ukraine is showing the world they are not as fearsome as we thought.

[KTChampions]

Bad decision for everyone. I don't think football clubs have anything to do with politics. Sports and politics are different categories. Therefore, I think it is a wrong idea to ban football clubs from tournaments due to political imposition. Because you cannot punish the right person with this prohibition. The Russian Government has faced dozens of economic sanctions. But they did not give up on their decision. Why should they take this sanction seriously? Sanctioning football clubs does not punish the right person. I think the decision is wrong.

This is the right decision. You perceive it as a tool to influence politics and say that this tool does not work. Yes it is. But it shouldn't work because it's not a tool in this case. It is a simple moral act to cut all ties with the killer and aggressor. You can't go to war with a bandit in the morning and innocently play poker or football with him (or his best friend in robbery and murder) later in the evening. Distance from criminals in all areas is the right and traditional decision.

[Sithara007]

Anyone heard about the news on Chelsea owner (Roman Abramovich)? In this case, I am going to support the decision from UEFA and FIFA. They have removed the oligarch from the ownership and prohibited the sale of his share. I have also heard that the British government is considering to sell assets of oligarchs including Abramovich and use the proceedings for charity. In the long term, this will benefit the ordinary Russians as well. Corrupt oligarchs will be afraid to move their money out of Russia as a result of this.

[Ondekinecakabilirim]

Bad decision for everyone. I don't think football clubs have anything to do with politics. Sports and politics are different categories. Therefore, I think it is a wrong idea to ban football clubs from tournaments due to political imposition. Because you cannot punish the right person with this prohibition. The Russian Government has faced dozens of economic sanctions. But they did not give up on their decision. Why should they take this sanction seriously? Sanctioning football clubs does not punish the right person. I think the decision is wrong.

This is the right decision. You perceive it as a tool to influence politics and say that this tool does not work. Yes it is. But it shouldn't work because it's not a tool in this case. It is a simple moral act to cut all ties with the killer and aggressor. You can't go to war with a bandit in the morning and innocently play poker or football with him (or his best friend in robbery and murder) later in the evening. Distance from criminals in all areas is the right and traditional decision.

Putin made the wrong and bad decision. Even most Russian citizens say this decision is wrong. Even those who voted for him. In this case, I don't think it's right to blame everyone. You cannot close all bakeries because the murder was committed with a bread knife. I don't think it's fair to punish people who had nothing to do with the murder. I respect your views. I wish the war to end. Thank you.

[KTChampions]

This is the right decision. You perceive it as a tool to influence politics and say that this tool does not work. Yes it is. But it shouldn't work because it's not a tool in this case. It is a simple moral act to cut all ties with the killer and aggressor. You can't go to war with a bandit in the morning and innocently play poker or football with him (or his best friend in robbery and murder) later in the evening. Distance from criminals in all areas is the right and traditional decision.

Putin made the wrong and bad decision. Even most Russian citizens say this decision is wrong. Even those who voted for him. In this case, I don't think it's right to blame everyone. You cannot close all bakeries because the murder was committed with a bread knife. I don't think it's fair to punish people who had nothing to do with the murder. I respect your views. I wish the war to end. Thank you.

I am from Russia and believe me, I also suffered from various bans, but I understand their meaning. No matter how much we want universal justice, bombs, for example, in Berlin on the 45th fell on both fascists and anti-fascists. Every decision backfires even on "innocent" parties, such is life. I respect your views too, thank you.

[Silberman]

Anyone heard about the news on Chelsea owner (Roman Abramovich)? In this case, I am going to support the decision from UEFA and FIFA. They have removed the oligarch from the ownership and prohibited the sale of his share. I have also heard that the British government is considering to sell assets of oligarchs including Abramovich and use the proceedings for charity. In the long term, this will benefit the ordinary Russians as well. Corrupt oligarchs will be afraid to move their money out of Russia as a result of this.

I think we all understand what they are trying to do but at least in principle I cannot agree with that, after all I am part of this market and I believe on the principles behind bitcoin which allows you to be your own bank and doesn't allow for any third party to steal your money or your property with a few clicks as part of how the system is designed, so while I think it is fair to suspend some athletes or teams from international competitions this is just plain stealing.