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April 25, 2022, 01:07:31 PM
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Wow. One man committed so many crimes! Whose hands are at war? Whose hands are committing crimes against the civilian population of Ukraine (as in Bucha and other settlements)? Was it all done by Putin alone? I am sure that when all this is over, the propagandists (who are now saying on TV around the clock that the Ukrainians are Nazis and that they must be destroyed) will say so. But adequate people understand that it's not just about Putin alone.

Add in his cronies and those who wants to benefit from this war. There's a lot involved behind the scenes and they just don't want to be where everyone else's attention is. The one to blame will always be Putin, because he's the face of the Russian government for a long time, but I'm sure that he's not alone when he began plotting for the invasion of Ukraine. I'm sure China and NoKor has their hands on deck too, with the support they've been giving Russia on everything except military might.

It's just sad that Russia's athletes are suffering from this war that is the result of the animosity between the West and Russia. Lots of wasted potentials and talents, as they will surely be singled out and isolated from world sporting events that should have been a platform for them to showcase what they can do to the sporting world.

Yes, it is very strange not to understand that crimes of this magnitude cannot be carried out without the direct participation of hundreds, thousands and even millions of people. And now, while the war is going on, there is no point in determining who is to blame and who is not - the state of Russia is isolated until the war is stopped and the most high-ranking criminals are put in jail. After that, it will be possible to move on to more detailed assessments of the actions of individuals.

I believe football game shouldn't be biased or place under ethnicity segmentation, one thing I know for sure is that football game bring people together from different parts of the globe under the atmosphere of sport and this challenges that is happening to Russia should be a consequence in which their president should bear responsible and not the citizens or it sport organizations, this can happen to any country but when it comes to sport, i see no reason why they should be excluded afterall they are not the perpetrators of the ongoing war.
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April 25, 2022, 01:15:27 PM
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I believe football game shouldn't be biased or place under ethnicity segmentation, one thing I know for sure is that football game bring people together from different parts of the globe under the atmosphere of sport and this challenges that is happening to Russia should be a consequence in which their president should bear responsible and not the citizens or it sport organizations, this can happen to any country but when it comes to sport, i see no reason why they should be excluded afterall they are not the perpetrators of the ongoing war.

This seems unfair to Russia.  They said FIFA and UEFA, political or governance issues are not brought into football.  Even if it's about humanity, why is Russian football being sanctioned?  while not for the state of Israel which invaded Palestine.  and the USA which occupied conflict countries.  I hate war and in the name of humanity, I denounce it.  what the Russians is doing is cruel and barbaric?  What is being done by the USA and Israel is not a noble act?  Why is only Russia is to blame? And why is there always justification for the state of Israel and the USA?

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April 25, 2022, 01:21:29 PM
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This seems unfair to Russia.  They said FIFA and UEFA, political or governance issues are not brought into football.  Even if it's about humanity, why is Russian football being sanctioned?  while not for the state of Israel which invaded Palestine.  and the USA which occupied conflict countries.  I hate war and in the name of humanity, I denounce it.  what the Russians is doing is cruel and barbaric?  What is being done by the USA and Israel is not a noble act?  Why is only Russia is to blame? And why is there always justification for the state of Israel and the USA?

Do you have any arguments besides whataboutism? Russian football is under sanctions because it is part of a criminal country. Maybe in peacetime there will be a more thorough division into those involved and those not involved, but at a time when there is a war, the measures taken are absolutely correct.

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April 25, 2022, 01:25:40 PM
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Football or sports it a tool for friendship and peace. The Olympics was established after the world war to promote peace and unity among nations. Banning Russia from FIFA competition is very wrong. A match between Ukraine and Russia can promote peace between this nations. The players would be seen hugging each other and exchanging jerseys which would be nice. Also FIFA should be an unbaised organization. Some other countries have even more worst things than Russia and they were not sanctioned.
 

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April 25, 2022, 08:06:56 PM
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Yes, it is very strange not to understand that crimes of this magnitude cannot be carried out without the direct participation of hundreds, thousands and even millions of people. And now, while the war is going on, there is no point in determining who is to blame and who is not - the state of Russia is isolated until the war is stopped and the most high-ranking criminals are put in jail. After that, it will be possible to move on to more detailed assessments of the actions of individuals.

I believe football game shouldn't be biased or place under ethnicity segmentation, one thing I know for sure is that football game bring people together from different parts of the globe under the atmosphere of sport and this challenges that is happening to Russia should be a consequence in which their president should bear responsible and not the citizens or it sport organizations, this can happen to any country but when it comes to sport, i see no reason why they should be excluded afterall they are not the perpetrators of the ongoing war.

If we use your logic, then absolutely all sanctions against Russia must be lifted - after all, people who suffer, including people who have nothing to do with what is happening, right? As a result, this will lead to the strengthening of Russia and an increase in victims (at least for me this is obvious). Are these your proposals, or have I misunderstood you and do you have some other way for Putin to bear responsibility and no one else?
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April 25, 2022, 08:23:50 PM
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Football or sports it a tool for friendship and peace. The Olympics was established after the world war to promote peace and unity among nations. Banning Russia from FIFA competition is very wrong. A match between Ukraine and Russia can promote peace between this nations. The players would be seen hugging each other and exchanging jerseys which would be nice. Also FIFA should be an unbaised organization. Some other countries have even more worst things than Russia and they were not sanctioned.
 

You are absolutely right, sport can also be a tool that can bring this countries together. Other sanctions giving to Russia is enough but I don't support the sport sanction,  I don't support any that will affect the innocent citezen of Russia.  They should face the sanctions directly to the government and not sport men.
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April 25, 2022, 11:15:13 PM
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You are absolutely right, sport can also be a tool that can bring this countries together. Other sanctions giving to Russia is enough but I don't support the sport sanction,  I don't support any that will affect the innocent citezen of Russia.  They should face the sanctions directly to the government and not sport men.
Although football is not the most popular sport in Russia (popular sports in Russia are hockey and boxing) these sanctions have a very hard impact on talented Russian athletes. based on my conscience, I also don't agree with this sanction and think it shouldn't be experienced by athletes because so far any sanctions imposed on russia have no impact on changing the war between russia and ukraine.

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April 25, 2022, 11:29:08 PM
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We don't know what is the reality happening within the country or it is the media that is making news out of these two countries. Came across a news in which it is mentioned that more than 65% of the people surveyed have stood in support of Putin.

So many Russians say they support the war in Ukraine.

We can't rely on the survey results, because it'll be based on small sample. If this is the representation of the entire population then it needs to be taken into consideration and analysed. Why such a big number is supporting the war which has been causing economic, and life destruction.

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April 26, 2022, 03:07:01 AM
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I do not agree with the suspension either, as it will surely affect people who are not to blame for the war and do not agree with it, both athletes and spectators. In addition to the fact that it may give rise to a feeling of grievance.

We don't know what is the reality happening within the country or it is the media that is making news out of these two countries. Came across a news in which it is mentioned that more than 65% of the people surveyed have stood in support of Putin.

So many Russians say they support the war in Ukraine.

We can't rely on the survey results, because it'll be based on small sample. If this is the representation of the entire population then it needs to be taken into consideration and analysed. Why such a big number is supporting the war which has been causing economic, and life destruction.

Yes, statistics, and more so as in this case, must be taken with a grain of salt. Although I certainly don't find it surprising that support for the war among citizens of Russia is higher than outside the country.

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April 26, 2022, 11:23:26 AM
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Sport should not have anything to do with regional, political or social issues, but it turns out that, like it or not, sport must be affected as well. This makes athletes or players from Russia subject to sanctions from the federation and makes it difficult for players to be able to return to compete with their teams. War makes everyone who is not related to the war be affected and get the same as those involved in the war.



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April 26, 2022, 07:47:25 PM
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We don't know what is the reality happening within the country or it is the media that is making news out of these two countries. Came across a news in which it is mentioned that more than 65% of the people surveyed have stood in support of Putin.

So many Russians say they support the war in Ukraine.

We can't rely on the survey results, because it'll be based on small sample. If this is the representation of the entire population then it needs to be taken into consideration and analysed. Why such a big number is supporting the war which has been causing economic, and life destruction.

In fact, any polls in a dictatorship have zero information content and value. I'm from Russia and we have a lot of laws under which you can go to jail for words or literally for a thought crime (when it seems to the police that you thought badly about something), so few people will honestly express their opinion in any poll. But the fact that many crimes are committed not by the hands of Putin, but by thousands and hundreds of thousands of performers is a fact.

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I do not agree with the suspension either, as it will surely affect people who are not to blame for the war and do not agree with it, both athletes and spectators. In addition to the fact that it may give rise to a feeling of grievance.

We don't know what is the reality happening within the country or it is the media that is making news out of these two countries. Came across a news in which it is mentioned that more than 65% of the people surveyed have stood in support of Putin.

So many Russians say they support the war in Ukraine.

We can't rely on the survey results, because it'll be based on small sample. If this is the representation of the entire population then it needs to be taken into consideration and analysed. Why such a big number is supporting the war which has been causing economic, and life destruction.

Yes, statistics, and more so as in this case, must be taken with a grain of salt. Although I certainly don't find it surprising that support for the war among citizens of Russia is higher than outside the country.

Unfortunately the leader of Russia decided to start the biggest war in Europe since WW2, so we're in rather unprecedented times and it may actually be right for such actions to take place. There is also a logistical angle to this that is easily overlooked - all flights out of Russia across European countries are currently banned, which would make it a nightmare for the athletes and supporting sports staff to effectively function. So even if these players were not banned outright, they would pretty much be indirectly banned because it would likely not be worth the long route in. The same goes for the financial and banking infrastructure that they use - funding will be heavily affected because Russia is so cut off after starting this war.

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April 26, 2022, 09:56:23 PM
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I do not agree with the suspension either, as it will surely affect people who are not to blame for the war and do not agree with it, both athletes and spectators. In addition to the fact that it may give rise to a feeling of grievance.

We don't know what is the reality happening within the country or it is the media that is making news out of these two countries. Came across a news in which it is mentioned that more than 65% of the people surveyed have stood in support of Putin.

So many Russians say they support the war in Ukraine.

We can't rely on the survey results, because it'll be based on small sample. If this is the representation of the entire population then it needs to be taken into consideration and analysed. Why such a big number is supporting the war which has been causing economic, and life destruction.

Yes, statistics, and more so as in this case, must be taken with a grain of salt. Although I certainly don't find it surprising that support for the war among citizens of Russia is higher than outside the country.

Unfortunately the leader of Russia decided to start the biggest war in Europe since WW2, so we're in rather unprecedented times and it may actually be right for such actions to take place. There is also a logistical angle to this that is easily overlooked - all flights out of Russia across European countries are currently banned, which would make it a nightmare for the athletes and supporting sports staff to effectively function. So even if these players were not banned outright, they would pretty much be indirectly banned because it would likely not be worth the long route in. The same goes for the financial and banking infrastructure that they use - funding will be heavily affected because Russia is so cut off after starting this war.
Lots of things had been affected and its true that even they arent directly the ones who had been banned but the services and other things correlated to Russian gov't or economy would really be having that kind of

problem and with that transportation alone then it would really bring up a big hassle for those people who are really needing to travel and since you are having that kind of nationality then its not surprising that there

might be some difference in terms of treatment or something like that.Bad impressions been applied generally which i could say that it isnt that ethical.

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April 26, 2022, 10:35:21 PM
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Sport should not have anything to do with regional, political or social issues, but it turns out that, like it or not, sport must be affected as well. This makes athletes or players from Russia subject to sanctions from the federation and makes it difficult for players to be able to return to compete with their teams. War makes everyone who is not related to the war be affected and get the same as those involved in the war.
Have except with Russia country only but when other countries like United State and Israel make invasion to other countries FIFA and UEFA have blind not care with suspend for both countries. How many countries destroy by United State almost ten years before from Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan but Sport community keep blind with invasion did by them, now when Russia have excepted and most faster giving suspend until they can't play on World Cup play off round.
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April 26, 2022, 11:21:14 PM
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We don't know what is the reality happening within the country or it is the media that is making news out of these two countries. Came across a news in which it is mentioned that more than 65% of the people surveyed have stood in support of Putin.

So many Russians say they support the war in Ukraine.

We can't rely on the survey results, because it'll be based on small sample. If this is the representation of the entire population then it needs to be taken into consideration and analysed. Why such a big number is supporting the war which has been causing economic, and life destruction.
AFAIK, the majority of the Russian citizens don't want to have war with Ukraine, and those that oppose the country's decision and stand against them, they're being jailed.
Hear it out from a Ukrainian that's been affected by the war and it's really sad that they are in that situation because they're in a defensive form while Russia keeps on attacking.

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April 26, 2022, 11:39:25 PM
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Sport should not have anything to do with regional, political or social issues,
I agree, this should be implemented in sports, including in Football.
The war is related to the government of the country, nothing to do with the society, including the athletes. Sports are for everyone, should be no racism and no limitation for joining any sports field. By suspending the Russian Athletes, we break the rules of everyone's right to join sports. I don't support Russia, I just want everyone to get their right in sports.

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Yes, it was because America seemed to control the two federations so when the United States invaded another country, it was like nothing. It is a concern for all of us to continue to monitor sports bodies such as FIFA and EUFA and advise them that what they are doing is not in the right place. Hopefully, the sporting events can run smoothly and players who have nothing to do with warfare can still play.

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Yes, that's correct. The sports body should have known that what they were doing was not right and was against the rules. But as we know, in sports organizations, there are always hidden political interests so people don't know what's really going on. I think it happens in all sports and has influenced decisions.



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April 27, 2022, 01:12:38 PM
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Sport should not have anything to do with regional, political or social issues, but it turns out that, like it or not, sport must be affected as well. This makes athletes or players from Russia subject to sanctions from the federation and makes it difficult for players to be able to return to compete with their teams. War makes everyone who is not related to the war be affected and get the same as those involved in the war.
Have except with Russia country only but when other countries like United State and Israel make invasion to other countries FIFA and UEFA have blind not care with suspend for both countries. How many countries destroy by United State almost ten years before from Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan but Sport community keep blind with invasion did by them, now when Russia have excepted and most faster giving suspend until they can't play on World Cup play off round.
The sanctions that are happening against Russia now seem to have shown us that if FIFA and UEFA have been in America hands all this time, so they will apply double standards to every country they like or not, in just a few days Russia conducts military operations in Ukraine but FIFA and UEFA moved very quickly to give Russia an ultimatum at that time, while on the other hand the crimes that have been committed by America and Israel it seems that FIFA and UEFA have turned a blind eye to these two countries, I even read news recently that the Israeli military was attacking Palestinians who were worshiping fasting in the month of Ramadan, but there is not a single warning made by FIFA and UEFA against Israel at this time  Cry .
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Football or sports it a tool for friendship and peace. The Olympics was established after the world war to promote peace and unity among nations. Banning Russia from FIFA competition is very wrong. A match between Ukraine and Russia can promote peace between this nations. The players would be seen hugging each other and exchanging jerseys which would be nice. Also FIFA should be an unbaised organization. Some other countries have even more worst things than Russia and they were not sanctioned.
 
A match between Ukraine and Russia will indeed promote greater peace accord between both countries but at the moment the global environment are angry at the way and manner this invasion has persisted for month now and still counting, but the fifa organization should also try to.look out for other form of peace arrangement for the two countries rather than banning Rusia outrightly.
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Football or sports it a tool for friendship and peace. The Olympics was established after the world war to promote peace and unity among nations. Banning Russia from FIFA competition is very wrong. A match between Ukraine and Russia can promote peace between this nations. The players would be seen hugging each other and exchanging jerseys which would be nice. Also FIFA should be an unbaised organization. Some other countries have even more worst things than Russia and they were not sanctioned.
 
A match between Ukraine and Russia will indeed promote greater peace accord between both countries but at the moment the global environment are angry at the way and manner this invasion has persisted for month now and still counting, but the fifa organization should also try to.look out for other form of peace arrangement for the two countries rather than banning Rusia outrightly.
They would go along with the herd which it isnt surprising.If they would go oppose then they might to face some problems or even criticisms but its not really bad to have some reconsideration and wont be ending up

on banning Russian Team just because of the war issues or crisis that we do have as of this moment but it seems that they wont really be showing off too with some sympathy and would tend to decide
and go along on what the majority is really been seeing as of this moment although it do looks not right but there's nothing we could do about it if the organization do made out such decision.

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