Who will Replace Russian Gas Supplies to Europe?

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And once again - it is the Chinese traders who provide information on deals, on oil. And at the moment, all the oil that additionally poured from Russia to China is bought by China (as China ordered Russia), in the region of $40 per barrel. Whether you like it or not, this is the reality

I did a little bit of research on the real reasons behind this and couldn't find anything. This could explain the reasons for the Chinese/Indian support for the Russian invasion, but if Russia suffers such heavy losses, why should it continue the war? I do not imagine that its production capacity is capable of challenging market prices in this way at the same time, and I do not expect that the countries supporting it sell products to Russia at half their price .

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[DrBeer]

And once again - it is the Chinese traders who provide information on deals, on oil. And at the moment, all the oil that additionally poured from Russia to China is bought by China (as China ordered Russia), in the region of $40 per barrel. Whether you like it or not, this is the reality

I did a little bit of research on the real reasons behind this and couldn't find anything. This could explain the reasons for the Chinese/Indian support for the Russian invasion, but if Russia suffers such heavy losses, why should it continue the war? I do not imagine that its production capacity is capable of challenging market prices in this way at the same time, and I do not expect that the countries supporting it sell products to Russia at half their price .

Why should she continue the war? Because the king of Russia is an idiot maniac, and the population is obedient slaves - he can indulge in their lives as he wants! Putin and his gang have a lot of money, of course in dollars and euros, and of course in Western banks, and 100 million obedient slaves will execute, in the heat of propaganda, any idiotic ideas of their miserable Fuhrer Plus, you need to understand that Putin lives in "parallel reality", where Russia is the most powerful power, it has the most powerful army, everyone around is cowards, fascists and gays, stupid and uncultured, backward and depraved! And his divine mission is to teach this world to live "tightly", as in Russia, because the whole world is shit, and only Russia is a diamond among a heap of manure

What happens next is almost like in cosmology - if the Soviet Union "exploded" like an old weak star that burned all its resources, and fell apart "into a bunch of fragments", then Russia will collapse into a black dot like huge North Korea


And the fact that "friends of Russia" such as China and India will use them to the fullest is beyond any doubt! They will buy the resources of the Russian Federation for a penny, and sell their goods to them at full price. China and India are not idiots - to save a loser country at their own expense!

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And once again - it is the Chinese traders who provide information on deals, on oil. And at the moment, all the oil that additionally poured from Russia to China is bought by China (as China ordered Russia), in the region of $40 per barrel. Whether you like it or not, this is the reality

I did a little bit of research on the real reasons behind this and couldn't find anything. This could explain the reasons for the Chinese/Indian support for the Russian invasion, but if Russia suffers such heavy losses, why should it continue the war? I do not imagine that its production capacity is capable of challenging market prices in this way at the same time, and I do not expect that the countries supporting it sell products to Russia at half their price .

Why should she continue the war? Because the king of Russia is an idiot maniac, and the population is obedient slaves - he can indulge in their lives as he wants! Putin and his gang have a lot of money, of course in dollars and euros, and of course in Western banks, and 100 million obedient slaves will execute, in the heat of propaganda, any idiotic ideas of their miserable Fuhrer Plus, you need to understand that Putin lives in "parallel reality", where Russia is the most powerful power, it has the most powerful army, everyone around is cowards, fascists and gays, stupid and uncultured, backward and depraved! And his divine mission is to teach this world to live "tightly", as in Russia, because the whole world is shit, and only Russia is a diamond among a heap of manure

What happens next is almost like in cosmology - if the Soviet Union "exploded" like an old weak star that burned all its resources, and fell apart "into a bunch of fragments", then Russia will collapse into a black dot like huge North Korea


And the fact that "friends of Russia" such as China and India will use them to the fullest is beyond any doubt! They will buy the resources of the Russian Federation for a penny, and sell their goods to them at full price. China and India are not idiots - to save a loser country at their own expense!

From this perspective, all wars are absurd, and thus we cancel all those historical narratives about states' strategies and intelligence interests.
Your talk seems logical to a large extent, but it is really difficult for me to accept that a giant authority like Russia, with its arms extended to protect its interests in all parts of the world, takes decisions based on whims and not from an objective study of reality.
And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe. But when I read information about it selling oil for half its price, I really feel that something is missing from my analysis and that things may be much deeper.

[DrBeer]

From this perspective, all wars are absurd, and thus we cancel all those historical narratives about states' strategies and intelligence interests.
Your talk seems logical to a large extent, but it is really difficult for me to accept that a giant authority like Russia, with its arms extended to protect its interests in all parts of the world, takes decisions based on whims and not from an objective study of reality.
And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe. But when I read information about it selling oil for half its price, I really feel that something is missing from my analysis and that things may be much deeper.

Absolutely agree with your assumption. When I tell people who do not live in Russia and Ukraine what Russia is doing, they tell me - "hey guy, stop it! It can't be like that! They're not complete idiots!".
.... But then I turn on Russian channels to them, show documentary footage .. And they sit, with frozen bewilderment on their faces, and say "no ... well, it shouldn't be like that ... This is nonsense! ... But so it is!... How can this be?"

Believe me - what seems abnormal to a normal person is the norm in Russia


"And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe." - on this occasion, I say very simple, logical, and, importantly, easily verifiable information: before Russia's terrorist attack on Ukraine, Ukraine had NO PLANS TO JOIN NATO! There was only a desire to switch to new, progressive standards of building an army according to the Western model, instead of the morally, technically and ideologically outdated concept of building an army according to the "Soviet".

It is also easy to prove the lies of other Russian propaganda narratives, just double-check them, and soon you will understand what is actually being built on a LIE!

[sovie]

From this perspective, all wars are absurd, and thus we cancel all those historical narratives about states' strategies and intelligence interests.
Your talk seems logical to a large extent, but it is really difficult for me to accept that a giant authority like Russia, with its arms extended to protect its interests in all parts of the world, takes decisions based on whims and not from an objective study of reality.
And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe. But when I read information about it selling oil for half its price, I really feel that something is missing from my analysis and that things may be much deeper.

Absolutely agree with your assumption. When I tell people who do not live in Russia and Ukraine what Russia is doing, they tell me - "hey guy, stop it! It can't be like that! They're not complete idiots!".
.... But then I turn on Russian channels to them, show documentary footage .. And they sit, with frozen bewilderment on their faces, and say "no ... well, it shouldn't be like that ... This is nonsense! ... But so it is!... How can this be?"

Believe me - what seems abnormal to a normal person is the norm in Russia


"And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe." - on this occasion, I say very simple, logical, and, importantly, easily verifiable information: before Russia's terrorist attack on Ukraine, Ukraine had NO PLANS TO JOIN NATO! There was only a desire to switch to new, progressive standards of building an army according to the Western model, instead of the morally, technically and ideologically outdated concept of building an army according to the "Soviet".

It is also easy to prove the lies of other Russian propaganda narratives, just double-check them, and soon you will understand what is actually being built on a LIE!

WE have gone through enough after this Ukraine and Russia war.
The inflation and the regime change and trouble all over the world is really now unbearable.

[be.open]

From this perspective, all wars are absurd, and thus we cancel all those historical narratives about states' strategies and intelligence interests.
Your talk seems logical to a large extent, but it is really difficult for me to accept that a giant authority like Russia, with its arms extended to protect its interests in all parts of the world, takes decisions based on whims and not from an objective study of reality.
And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe. But when I read information about it selling oil for half its price, I really feel that something is missing from my analysis and that things may be much deeper.

Absolutely agree with your assumption. When I tell people who do not live in Russia and Ukraine what Russia is doing, they tell me - "hey guy, stop it! It can't be like that! They're not complete idiots!".
.... But then I turn on Russian channels to them, show documentary footage .. And they sit, with frozen bewilderment on their faces, and say "no ... well, it shouldn't be like that ... This is nonsense! ... But so it is!... How can this be?"

Believe me - what seems abnormal to a normal person is the norm in Russia


"And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe." - on this occasion, I say very simple, logical, and, importantly, easily verifiable information: before Russia's terrorist attack on Ukraine, Ukraine had NO PLANS TO JOIN NATO! There was only a desire to switch to new, progressive standards of building an army according to the Western model, instead of the morally, technically and ideologically outdated concept of building an army according to the "Soviet".

It is also easy to prove the lies of other Russian propaganda narratives, just double-check them, and soon you will understand what is actually being built on a LIE!

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Plans for Ukraine's accession to NATO are enshrined in the Constitution of Ukraine.

[DOH!]

And the fact that "friends of Russia" such as China and India will use them to the fullest is beyond any doubt! They will buy the resources of the Russian Federation for a penny, and sell their goods to them at full price. China and India are not idiots - to save a loser country at their own expense!

I agree with your well-founded prediction.  I think China and India will not supply any gas to Europe when they don't want to be in the middle of that wheel, their advantages are fully ready for choosing the more maximum option, they  also understands that Russia cannot touch a decaying order and become a black mark on the map.  Another option is that Africa is open but it is unlikely that they can increase production to supply gas to Europe

[Argoo]

Gas becomes a Russian political force to make Europe unable to do much, Russia understands that to make a gas pipeline it takes a large cost and a long time, even very difficult to find gas reserves because global gas consumption continues to increase.

The big is seen from a distance. I would like to look at the situation with Russian oil and gas supplies at least in two or three years. When the countries of Europe will almost completely abandon these energy sources from Russia and how this will affect Russia itself. Russia spent a long time and expensively building Nord Stream 2 in order to bypass Ukraine in their transportation if the opportunity arises. Now this is an empty expense. But the main thing is that Europe FOREVER refuses Russian oil and gas and Russia will lose the possibility of eternal pressure and blackmail of European countries. These are big problems, first of all, for Russia itself. Europe will find where to buy them and how to replace them. Moreover, they set a course for their gradual replacement with alternative energy sources even before the war unleashed by Russia in Ukraine. But Russia cannot stop oil and gas production, and their reduction will lead to big losses for Russia itself. Therefore, Russia will definitely lose here in the future ...

[Sithara007]

The big is seen from a distance. I would like to look at the situation with Russian oil and gas supplies at least in two or three years. When the countries of Europe will almost completely abandon these energy sources from Russia and how this will affect Russia itself. Russia spent a long time and expensively building Nord Stream 2 in order to bypass Ukraine in their transportation if the opportunity arises. Now this is an empty expense. But the main thing is that Europe FOREVER refuses Russian oil and gas and Russia will lose the possibility of eternal pressure and blackmail of European countries. These are big problems, first of all, for Russia itself. Europe will find where to buy them and how to replace them. Moreover, they set a course for their gradual replacement with alternative energy sources even before the war unleashed by Russia in Ukraine. But Russia cannot stop oil and gas production, and their reduction will lead to big losses for Russia itself. Therefore, Russia will definitely lose here in the future ...

Just wishful thinking from you. Nord Stream 2 cost Gazprom around €9.5 billion. Russia earns more than double that amount every month from their energy exports. And by the time EU is able to fully remove their dependence on Russia, the latter will also be able to diversify their supplies. Power of Siberia 2 pipeline is expected to get completed by 2030. It will carry 50 billion cubic meters of Russian gas to China. And this is in addition to the existing Power of Siberia 1 pipeline, which is having a capacity of 38 billion cubic meters.

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...Nord Stream 2 cost Gazprom around €9.5 billion...

Of which exactly half was paid by the European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper and Wintershall. Nord Stream-2 is not a Russian project, but a joint Russian-European project with equal financial participation.

[DrBeer]

While Russian propaganda is spoiling the brains of its listeners, the EU is taking concrete steps to say "Russia goodbye" in the near future

"....The European Union is facing the risk of a further shutdown of gas supplies from Russia due to the Kremlin weaponizing gas exports, with almost half of our member states already affected by supply cuts. Taking action now could reduce both the risk, and the cost to Europe in the event of further or complete disruption, strengthening Europe's energy resilience.
So today the Commission is proposing a new legislative instrument and a European Gas Demand Reduction Plan to cut Europe's gas consumption by 15% until next spring. All consumers, governments, households, public building owners, electricity providers and industry can and should take steps to save gas. The Commission will also accelerate work on supply diversification, including joint gas purchases, to enhance the EU's ability to find alternative sources of gas supplies.
The Commission proposes a new Council Regulation on coordinated measures to reduce demand for gas based on Article 122 of the Treaty. The new Regulation will set a target for all Member States to reduce gas demand by 15% between 1 August 2022 and 31 March 2023. The new Regulation will also give the Commission the opportunity to announce, after consultation with the Member States, a "Union Warning ". on the security of supply by introducing a mandatory reduction in demand for gas for all Member States."

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_4608

[be.open]

While Russian propaganda is spoiling the brains of its listeners, the EU is taking concrete steps to say "Russia goodbye" in the near future

"....The European Union is facing the risk of a further shutdown of gas supplies from Russia due to the Kremlin weaponizing gas exports, with almost half of our member states already affected by supply cuts. Taking action now could reduce both the risk, and the cost to Europe in the event of further or complete disruption, strengthening Europe's energy resilience.
So today the Commission is proposing a new legislative instrument and a European Gas Demand Reduction Plan to cut Europe's gas consumption by 15% until next spring. All consumers, governments, households, public building owners, electricity providers and industry can and should take steps to save gas. The Commission will also accelerate work on supply diversification, including joint gas purchases, to enhance the EU's ability to find alternative sources of gas supplies.
The Commission proposes a new Council Regulation on coordinated measures to reduce demand for gas based on Article 122 of the Treaty. The new Regulation will set a target for all Member States to reduce gas demand by 15% between 1 August 2022 and 31 March 2023. The new Regulation will also give the Commission the opportunity to announce, after consultation with the Member States, a "Union Warning ". on the security of supply by introducing a mandatory reduction in demand for gas for all Member States."

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_4608

Rather, the EU is taking concrete steps to collapse, because Portugal, Spain, Italy, Poland, Hungary and Greece have already announced their unwillingness to reduce gas consumption by 15% and protested the EU decision.

[DrBeer]

While Russian propaganda is spoiling the brains of its listeners, the EU is taking concrete steps to say "Russia goodbye" in the near future

"....The European Union is facing the risk of a further shutdown of gas supplies from Russia due to the Kremlin weaponizing gas exports, with almost half of our member states already affected by supply cuts. Taking action now could reduce both the risk, and the cost to Europe in the event of further or complete disruption, strengthening Europe's energy resilience.
So today the Commission is proposing a new legislative instrument and a European Gas Demand Reduction Plan to cut Europe's gas consumption by 15% until next spring. All consumers, governments, households, public building owners, electricity providers and industry can and should take steps to save gas. The Commission will also accelerate work on supply diversification, including joint gas purchases, to enhance the EU's ability to find alternative sources of gas supplies.
The Commission proposes a new Council Regulation on coordinated measures to reduce demand for gas based on Article 122 of the Treaty. The new Regulation will set a target for all Member States to reduce gas demand by 15% between 1 August 2022 and 31 March 2023. The new Regulation will also give the Commission the opportunity to announce, after consultation with the Member States, a "Union Warning ". on the security of supply by introducing a mandatory reduction in demand for gas for all Member States."

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_4608

Rather, the EU is taking concrete steps to collapse, because Portugal, Spain, Italy, Poland, Hungary and Greece have already announced their unwillingness to reduce gas consumption by 15% and protested the EU decision.

If you carefully study the problems, and do not suddenly draw gloomy forecasts for everyone out of habit, in order to fulfill propaganda goals, you will learn a lot of interesting things!
For example:
- Russian gas accounts for approximately 40% of EU gas consumption (according to the International Energy Agency).
- Portugal: gas in the country's energy system is approximately 25%. At the same time, approximately 15% of 100% of the purchased gas is of Russian origin, i.e. about 4% in the country's energy balance
- Spain: in fact, similar to Spain, about 5% of the country's energy balance is Russian gas.
- Italy: gas in the energy system of the country is 40%. At the same time, approximately 42% of 100% of the purchased gas is of Russian origin. But - the Italians can thank Berlusconi, an old ally of the Kremlin terrorist, it was he who allowed the Italian market to be so heavily monopolized. In short, hello Berlusconi
- Hungary: the Kremlin's longtime pet dog that will squeal against any move against Russia's interests.
- Greece: Approximately 35% of the total gas consumption is Russian. Not a big problem And in general, she is for those who give them money, today she can be against the EU and for Russia, tomorrow she will be for the EU and against Russia, and the day after tomorrow in general for China

And most importantly - if you read between the lines, you understand that a 15% reduction in consumption is aimed precisely at reducing purchases of Russian gas!

In total, from the countries cited to you, subject to slightly incomplete information (they will reduce the consumption of Russian gas in the first place), 2 countries do not care at all (give a link - who exactly is against it?)

1 country, Italy, like Germany, is a victim of betrayal of the interests of their country by the government, represented by Berlusconi. It will just be a good lesson for the Italians.

1 country - will always bark at what Russia pointed out

1 country will have to get used to other realities. But I think the EU will throw money again, and Greece will be very much in favor of the program to reduce gas consumption from Russia

A recommendation for you - in order not to look stupid and populist, study more deeply the topic that you decide to discuss!

[be.open]

If you carefully study the problems, and do not suddenly draw gloomy forecasts for everyone out of habit, in order to fulfill propaganda goals, you will learn a lot of interesting things!
For example:
- Russian gas accounts for approximately 40% of EU gas consumption (according to the International Energy Agency).
- Portugal: gas in the country's energy system is approximately 25%. At the same time, approximately 15% of 100% of the purchased gas is of Russian origin, i.e. about 4% in the country's energy balance
- Spain: in fact, similar to Spain, about 5% of the country's energy balance is Russian gas.
- Italy: gas in the energy system of the country is 40%. At the same time, approximately 42% of 100% of the purchased gas is of Russian origin. But - the Italians can thank Berlusconi, an old ally of the Kremlin terrorist, it was he who allowed the Italian market to be so heavily monopolized. In short, hello Berlusconi
- Hungary: the Kremlin's longtime pet dog that will squeal against any move against Russia's interests.
- Greece: Approximately 35% of the total gas consumption is Russian. Not a big problem And in general, she is for those who give them money, today she can be against the EU and for Russia, tomorrow she will be for the EU and against Russia, and the day after tomorrow in general for China

And most importantly - if you read between the lines, you understand that a 15% reduction in consumption is aimed precisely at reducing purchases of Russian gas!

In total, from the countries cited to you, subject to slightly incomplete information (they will reduce the consumption of Russian gas in the first place), 2 countries do not care at all (give a link - who exactly is against it?)

1 country, Italy, like Germany, is a victim of betrayal of the interests of their country by the government, represented by Berlusconi. It will just be a good lesson for the Italians.

1 country - will always bark at what Russia pointed out

1 country will have to get used to other realities. But I think the EU will throw money again, and Greece will be very much in favor of the program to reduce gas consumption from Russia

A recommendation for you - in order not to look stupid and populist, study more deeply the topic that you decide to discuss!

You have no idea how deep I know this issue. It is precisely in the heterogeneity of the dependence on Russian gas of different countries of the European Union that the problem of developing a single solution lies. And the more a heap of economic problems grows in Europe, the more difficult it is for the European Union to maintain a united front in anti-Russian sanctions. Germany is already openly sabotaging both sanctions and arms deliveries. And you can't just brush Germany aside because, as a donor, it supports and feeds half a dozen European dwarf countries. Attempts to fill the fire of problems with money, we have already seen what it leads to in the example of covid (but in fact it began much earlier, with the mortgage crisis in the US in 2008 - and Nakamoto created bitcoin with a clearly predictable emission model precisely in response to these events, thanks to which we can have that conversation here today). Now Europe and the whole world are reaping the fruits of those wrong decisions in the form of an unprecedented spike in inflation for developed countries. Even the ECB is already forced to start raising the key rate, and this directly means the end of the era of cheap money. Each percentage increase in the key rate for the US and the EU is a hundred billion dollars and euros of overhead costs in the form of interest on debt servicing.

[sovie]

Now Europe and the whole world are reaping the fruits of those wrong decisions in the form of an unprecedented spike in inflation for developed countries. Even the ECB is already forced to start raising the key rate, and this directly means the end of the era of cheap money. Each percentage increase in the key rate for the US and the EU is a hundred billion dollars and euros of overhead costs in the form of interest on debt servicing.

I believe no country will be able to manage the supply of oil and gas apart from Russia.
Every country will in EU will return back to Russia that is the only solution the other solutions will take time and a lot of money so lets get back to the Russia

[coupable]

I didn't find much to add after reading the previous comments, so I would like to point out an important point that may be missing from some. There have been attempts for more than a decade to abandon the flow of Russian gas to Europe for fear, for the main reason being to reduce the strength of Russia, which began to recover after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I began to notice this by trying to overthrow the regime in Syria to facilitate the laying of gas pipelines from the State of Qatar, and of course Russia stood by this by providing the Syrian regime with the necessary support, including military forces, weapons, money and all that was needed. When the countries failed to bring down Syria, they turned directly to Ukraine and put it in the mouth of the cannon to influence Russia. Who benefits? America, of course. Who is affected? European countries that follow Mama America.

[sovie]

I didn't find much to add after reading the previous comments, so I would like to point out an important point that may be missing from some. There have been attempts for more than a decade to abandon the flow of Russian gas to Europe for fear, for the main reason being to reduce the strength of Russia, which began to recover after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I began to notice this by trying to overthrow the regime in Syria to facilitate the laying of gas pipelines from the State of Qatar, and of course Russia stood by this by providing the Syrian regime with the necessary support, including military forces, weapons, money and all that was needed. When the countries failed to bring down Syria, they turned directly to Ukraine and put it in the mouth of the cannon to influence Russia. Who benefits? America, of course. Who is affected? European countries that follow Mama America.

Now Biden has gone to Saudia Arabia To ask for Oil. What a joke - they have been putting sanctions on Russia - destroyed the world's economy and now asking Saudia to give them oil.
So in the quest to destroy Russia and Afghanistan and Pakistan and Srilanka - the world is in trouble.

[Erumo]

Poor Saudi Arabia. If they dont give oil for free, then they should be ready that intelligence will find "nuclear weapons" or other thread, and open hands wide to welcome uncle Sam and democracy.

[bitgov]

Poor Saudi Arabia. If they dont give oil for free, then they should be ready that intelligence will find "nuclear weapons" or other thread, and open hands wide to welcome uncle Sam and democracy.

Biden is in trouble because Midterm elections are approaching . . and democrats are in more power.
The end of US - Afghan war was another set back to Biden administration - and this inflation and oil crisis is going to affect the midterm elections.

[pooya87]

I began to notice this by trying to overthrow the regime in Syria to facilitate the laying of gas pipelines from the State of Qatar, and of course Russia stood by this by providing the Syrian regime with the necessary support,

That pipeline was supposed to go from Northern Iraq (in control of separatists) to Turkey and then to Europe. Syria doesn't even come in. Even from Qatar it could go to Iraq then to Turkey then to Europe.
Syrian war was a lot more complicated game to destabilize the whole region and Russia wasn't even interested in this conflict for years. Iranians have been in that war from the start fighting against the US backed terrorists. After some time we convinced Russia to provide some air support to help speed up the process of getting rid of terrorists in Syria.