Wheat War I is going to be World War III

[bitgov]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

I don't believe this will happen anytime sooner. Most countries have enough wheat supplies. Also I have seen in news - Putin announced he has enough wheat to supply to the countries who would be needing it.
Russia is unstoppable.

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[cabron]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

I don't believe this will happen anytime sooner. Most countries have enough wheat supplies. Also I have seen in news - Putin announced he has enough wheat to supply to the countries who would be needing it.
Russia is unstoppable.

Russia can be stopped. Its not like its just the people in EU and US can think better. China doesn't create war but where are they now, they are the ones where bank go for bailout and US takes loan from them to give to Ukraine.

Putin is also a reasonable man, things just just need a mutual relationship.
As long as Zelensky is open to negotiate. He only have to listen to himself and not to EU and the West that pushes them get into this war. They don't even profit from this. Zelensky just have to use the alternative route before its too late. He doesn't have to wait when all are hungry and cold that his private soldiers will decide to shoot him to end this war.

[bitgov]

Putin is also a reasonable man, things just just need a mutual relationship.
As long as Zelensky is open to negotiate. He only have to listen to himself and not to EU and the West that pushes them get into this war. They don't even profit from this. Zelensky just have to use the alternative route before its too late. He doesn't have to wait when all are hungry and cold that his private soldiers will decide to shoot him to end this war.

I live in a place which is an agricultural land. But due to inflation the farmers are very very upset on what is going on. The prices of fertilizers and urea are at the fire.
My brother who is farmer too was crying the other - how is he going to take care of the next crops. I don't know where is the world heading too.

[pooya87]

I live in a place which is an agricultural land. But due to inflation the farmers are very very upset on what is going on. The prices of fertilizers and urea are at the fire.
My brother who is farmer too was crying the other - how is he going to take care of the next crops. I don't know where is the world heading too.

I wish you also included where you live so that we could have a better understanding of how things are going in different countries.

In any case I've seen this issue mainly in countries that are plagued with a disease called capitalism. The "capitalist" would for example buy the farm and farmer and their products in long term contracts. There are cases where the farmers have to work their assess off for 10 years and hand over their products to the "salve master" at the same fixed price for 10 years regardless of inflation. That crushes the farmer.
The government can not get involved in it either because if they did the whole system falls apart. But this threatens food security.

In other places without capitalism (or little of it) things are different. The government can get involved and help guarantee food security, not to mention that farmers are mostly also owners of their own land and products.
For example in Iran farmers receive a lot of help at times like this, for example they could receive fertilizers at very cheap prices so that their final product doesn't need to go up in price. Sometimes they have a guarantee of purchase at a high price (even higher than market price). This is why food prices (like bread) haven't technically gone up except in some cases (like rice) they only had a small rise.

[galambo]

I wish you also included where you live so that we could have a better understanding of how things are going in different countries.

In any case I've seen this issue mainly in countries that are plagued with a disease called capitalism. The "capitalist" would for example buy the farm and farmer and their products in long term contracts. There are cases where the farmers have to work their assess off for 10 years and hand over their products to the "salve master" at the same fixed price for 10 years regardless of inflation. That crushes the farmer.
The government can not get involved in it either because if they did the whole system falls apart. But this threatens food security.

In other places without capitalism (or little of it) things are different. The government can get involved and help guarantee food security, not to mention that farmers are mostly also owners of their own land and products.
For example in Iran farmers receive a lot of help at times like this, for example they could receive fertilizers at very cheap prices so that their final product doesn't need to go up in price. Sometimes they have a guarantee of purchase at a high price (even higher than market price). This is why food prices (like bread) haven't technically gone up except in some cases (like rice) they only had a small rise.

Iran has take full advantage of there rich reserves of oil and gas in maintaining national integrity. Those countries that are run on western model of economy or IMF program faced problem in such situations. Iran is isolated by USA and west but still its surprising to see how this country is prospering and standing on its feet.

[Ozero]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

I don't believe this will happen anytime sooner. Most countries have enough wheat supplies. Also I have seen in news - Putin announced he has enough wheat to supply to the countries who would be needing it.
Russia is unstoppable.

Russia can be stopped. Its not like its just the people in EU and US can think better. China doesn't create war but where are they now, they are the ones where bank go for bailout and US takes loan from them to give to Ukraine.

Putin is also a reasonable man, things just just need a mutual relationship.
As long as Zelensky is open to negotiate. He only have to listen to himself and not to EU and the West that pushes them get into this war. They don't even profit from this. Zelensky just have to use the alternative route before its too late. He doesn't have to wait when all are hungry and cold that his private soldiers will decide to shoot him to end this war.

If Putin would be reasonable, he would not attack Ukraine. This war will kill him and Russia as a whole. In any case, it will no longer be a superstate, as previously thought. Putin leads Russia to isolation from the outside world, the fall of the economy, poverty, crime and unemployment.
The President of Ukraine Zelensky just listens very little to Europe and the United States and often criticizes their actions if they take wrong steps from his point of view or show indecision and inaction.

What "alternative route" do you propose to take for Zelensky? Surrender and capitulate? Have you seen how Russian soldiers behave in the occupied territory in Ukraine? They rob, kill and rape civilians, destroy houses and any civilian infrastructure. And then surrender to the mercy of these bastards? Now the population of Ukraine is categorically against any peace agreements with the Putin regime. Ukrainians win even where the enemy's superiority is fivefold in manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia will suffer a military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, the world is now on the verge of very big changes.

[galambo]

Putin would be reasonable, he would not attack Ukraine. This war will kill him and Russia as a whole. In any case, it will no longer be a superstate, as previously thought. Putin leads Russia to isolation from the outside world, the fall of the economy, poverty, crime and unemployment.
The President of Ukraine Zelensky just listens very little to Europe and the United States and often criticizes their actions if they take wrong steps from his point of view or show indecision and inaction.

What "alternative route" do you propose to take for Zelensky? Surrender and capitulate? Have you seen how Russian soldiers behave in the occupied territory in Ukraine? They rob, kill and rape civilians, destroy houses and any civilian infrastructure. And then surrender to the mercy of these bastards? Now the population of Ukraine is categorically against any peace agreements with the Putin regime. Ukrainians win even where the enemy's superiority is fivefold in manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia will suffer a military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, the world is now on the verge of very big changes.

The real issue is where are usa and Europe on whose backing Zelensky fingured Russia. Since its Ukarine, media is saying that Russia is killing innocent people and bla bla but same media and white people were silent when usa and Europe were busy doing human rights violation in Afghanistan, Iraq and rest of the countries. Dual standards

[bustabitsboy]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

I don't believe this will happen anytime sooner. Most countries have enough wheat supplies. Also I have seen in news - Putin announced he has enough wheat to supply to the countries who would be needing it.
Russia is unstoppable.

Russia can be stopped. Its not like its just the people in EU and US can think better. China doesn't create war but where are they now, they are the ones where bank go for bailout and US takes loan from them to give to Ukraine.

Putin is also a reasonable man, things just just need a mutual relationship.
As long as Zelensky is open to negotiate. He only have to listen to himself and not to EU and the West that pushes them get into this war. They don't even profit from this. Zelensky just have to use the alternative route before its too late. He doesn't have to wait when all are hungry and cold that his private soldiers will decide to shoot him to end this war.

If Putin would be reasonable, he would not attack Ukraine. This war will kill him and Russia as a whole. In any case, it will no longer be a superstate, as previously thought. Putin leads Russia to isolation from the outside world, the fall of the economy, poverty, crime and unemployment.
The President of Ukraine Zelensky just listens very little to Europe and the United States and often criticizes their actions if they take wrong steps from his point of view or show indecision and inaction.

What "alternative route" do you propose to take for Zelensky? Surrender and capitulate? Have you seen how Russian soldiers behave in the occupied territory in Ukraine? They rob, kill and rape civilians, destroy houses and any civilian infrastructure. And then surrender to the mercy of these bastards? Now the population of Ukraine is categorically against any peace agreements with the Putin regime. Ukrainians win even where the enemy's superiority is fivefold in manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia will suffer a military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, the world is now on the verge of very big changes.

Does President Zelensky listen to NATO little? That's funny! Yes, he did not offer a single solution on his own! I think he humiliates all the people of Ukraine when he walks and asks for everything! How can Ukraine be called an independent country if it has nothing! What kind of victory can we talk about if the army surrenders entire cities! How can it be?

[newdevices]

Putin would be reasonable, he would not attack Ukraine. This war will kill him and Russia as a whole. In any case, it will no longer be a superstate, as previously thought. Putin leads Russia to isolation from the outside world, the fall of the economy, poverty, crime and unemployment.
The President of Ukraine Zelensky just listens very little to Europe and the United States and often criticizes their actions if they take wrong steps from his point of view or show indecision and inaction.

What "alternative route" do you propose to take for Zelensky? Surrender and capitulate? Have you seen how Russian soldiers behave in the occupied territory in Ukraine? They rob, kill and rape civilians, destroy houses and any civilian infrastructure. And then surrender to the mercy of these bastards? Now the population of Ukraine is categorically against any peace agreements with the Putin regime. Ukrainians win even where the enemy's superiority is fivefold in manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia will suffer a military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, the world is now on the verge of very big changes.

The real issue is where are usa and Europe on whose backing Zelensky fingured Russia. Since its Ukarine, media is saying that Russia is killing innocent people and bla bla but same media and white people were silent when usa and Europe were busy doing human rights violation in Afghanistan, Iraq and rest of the countries. Dual standards

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,
double standards are so annoying and should be humanity above all else,
what is clear is that the reality is like that and it will be difficult to change that

[pooya87]

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,

I wish the censored Western media hadn't brought it up at all instead of what they did which was praising it as something legitimate. For example the Economist called the criminal invasion of Iraq "waging of peace"! Here is a funny comparison between the titles this magazine used to describe invasion of Iraq (left) and Ukraine (right):


Another funny thing was the recent George W Bush's gaffe where he referred to his invasion of Iraq as "wholly unjustified and brutal invasion". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEg6Ht2pNH0

[DrBeer]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

Well, of course - Hitler was a "glorious fellow", what are tens of millions of dead, thousands of destroyed cities!? ... More important ... More important for us ... Yes, anything but that! I want to wish you that war never comes to your country, you are the face of a wild neighbor of an aggressor-sadist, and you really have no more problems than talking about the theory of climate change. I am sure you do not understand and have not seen what WAR is!

[DrBeer]

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,

I wish the censored Western media hadn't brought it up at all instead of what they did which was praising it as something legitimate. For example the Economist called the criminal invasion of Iraq "waging of peace"! Here is a funny comparison between the titles this magazine used to describe invasion of Iraq (left) and Ukraine (right):


Another funny thing was the recent George W Bush's gaffe where he referred to his invasion of Iraq as "wholly unjustified and brutal invasion". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEg6Ht2pNH0

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

PS Let me inform you in advance - the reason for the "peacekeeping mission" in Iraq is absolutely unacceptable to me, under the pretext of mass production of weapons of mass destruction prohibited by international conventions.
Although looking at international institutions, I understand that they are empty shells, created solely for ... the use of budgets.

[galambo]

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,
double standards are so annoying and should be humanity above all else,
what is clear is that the reality is like that and it will be difficult to change that

In 5th generation warfare media has very high role. They can make your mind to take an act as legitimate even if its unlawful, take example of recent usa invasion in last 2 decades. If you don't watch news channel for month or two, you will feel better.

[pooya87]

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

You should know better since Ukraine was collaborating with Nazi Germany during WWII in Schutzmannschaft, German military and in running concentration camps. Maybe that was also a "peacekeeping mission" like Iraq?

[romero121]

The food crisis all around Europe and other parts of the world are continuing. By the same time governments are helping neighbouring countries in need. India have promised of sending 50k metric tonnes of wheat to Afghanistan. Shipments have been taking place through Pakistan reaching Afghanistan. India and Afghanistan have strong cultural and historical relationship. Same as this shipment of rice and medicines have been send to Sri Lanka. So, this is the time where countries are helping each other and no more war out of food crisis.

[Argoo]

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

You should know better since Ukraine was collaborating with Nazi Germany during WWII in Schutzmannschaft, German military and in running concentration camps. Maybe that was also a "peacekeeping mission" like Iraq?

You either do not understand a little, or deliberately twist the history of Ukraine.
Let's go through this story for a bit. First of all, it should be noted that after the revolution in Russia in 1917, the Bolsheviks forcibly annexed Ukraine to the USSR, killing both the flower of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and the defenders of the idea of ​​an independent Ukraine.

As a result of the famine and genocide by the USSR, before World War II, Stalin killed millions more Ukrainians. Therefore, many in Ukraine perceived the outbreak of war with Nazi Germany as a chance to free themselves from the oppression of the USSR. Most Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, but some Ukrainians in western Ukraine formed the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) to create an independent Ukraine. At first they fought against the Soviet government in alliance with Germany, and when they saw what atrocities the Nazis were doing in Ukraine, they began to fight against the Nazis on two fronts.

The war came to Ukraine in March 1939. It began in Transcarpathia, when Hungarian troops, allies of the Nazis, broke into the territory of Carpathian Ukraine. It was the first battle with the Nazis in Europe. Between 2,000 and 6,500 people who came to the defense of Ukrainian statehood died - even before the start of World War II.

From September 1939 to June 1941, the Soviet authorities deported 1.17–1.25 million (according to various estimates) residents of the territories newly annexed to the USSR in Western Ukraine. Millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army and the armies of the allies, about a hundred thousand fought for their own independence as part of the OUN-UPA.
OUN members fought against the communists and Nazis and did not abandon the idea of ​​uniting the inhabitants of the West and the East, the South and the North around the idea of ​​Ukraine's independence.

Fronts marched across the Ukrainian land: first from west to east, then from east to west, destroying everything in its path. During this war, 700 cities and 28 thousand other settlements were destroyed in Ukraine, 1.8 million rural houses were destroyed.

Only the irretrievable human losses of Ukraine in the Second World War in the fight against fascism amount to more than 10 million people. This number does not include servicemen from Ukraine who died from September 1, 1939 to June 22, 1941 on the Soviet-Polish and Soviet-Finnish fronts, the dead soldiers of the UPA, as well as Soviet partisans. Therefore, the Ukrainians paid dearly in this war.

In 1946, the Soviet government again staged an artificial famine in Ukraine, taking advantage of the dry season that year.

Ukraine was able to proclaim its independence only in 1991, simultaneously with the collapse of the USSR. First of all, it is independence from Russia, which became the successor of the former USSR. But, as we see, imperial Russia still does not give up its attempts to enslave Ukraine in the current war.

[Minecache]

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,
double standards are so annoying and should be humanity above all else,
what is clear is that the reality is like that and it will be difficult to change that

In 5th generation warfare media has very high role. They can make your mind to take an act as legitimate even if its unlawful, take example of recent usa invasion in last 2 decades. If you don't watch news channel for month or two, you will feel better.

In an age of technology, the media can be viewed as a weapon to distort the truth. We should be wary of the information that we receive from the media, and read and listen to information from both sides rather than just one side.

I have not seen any official articles of the US and EU about the crimes of the US and Europe against the countries of the Middle East, instead of them calling it war, aggression, they call it saving the world from crime. LAUGH!

[DrBeer]

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

You should know better since Ukraine was collaborating with Nazi Germany during WWII in Schutzmannschaft, German military and in running concentration camps. Maybe that was also a "peacekeeping mission" like Iraq?

wow, now you've made it really, really funny! ))
This is told to me by a man whose relatives throughout the whole country collaborated with Nazi Germany since the mid-30s of the last century. Together they destroyed European countries, their peoples enslaved by the red plague. They held military parades together, with their Nazi brothers. And then almost 1.5 million Russians, faithfully, served in the Wehrmacht for a long time, killed their fellow citizens, and the flag of the Vlasov Nazis now proudly flies over the Kremlin

I will simply give here a list of military formations, Russians who served Nazism and Hitler. If someone does not know who actually fought on the side of Nazi Germany, below is a list of Russian troops who fought on the side of Hitler, which can be easily verified in archives and open sources. And now their heirs are trying to pass off as truth, a propaganda lie, to divert attention from their real history:
-ROA
-RONA
-KONR
-29th SS Volunteer Infantry Division "RONA" (1st Russian)
-30th SS Volunteer Infantry Division (2nd Russian)
- Division "Russland"
-Russian Corps
- Cossack Stan
-15th SS Cossack Cavalry Corps
-Combat Union of Russian Nationalists
-1st Russian National SS Brigade "Druzhina"
600th Russian division of the Wehrmacht
581st Field Gendarmerie Battalion
Guards of the Russian FasZist Party
Corps of the Russian Monarchist Party
Russen (Russia) - news and propaganda agency (now - Russian Today  )

.... and many others, who eventually gave the Wehrmacht about 1.5 million soldiers, officers and even generals!

[bakasabo]

More and more countries are being involved into wheat conflict. Now it is Turkey, as Ukraine says Russian ship carrying Ukrainian grain detained by Turkey. This is either fake or propaganda (but the sources, CNBC has a good reputation), or soon relationship between Russia and Turkey will be shaken.

I will put down question of this wheat origin, I am more interested in what will happen to this wheat. Can it be simply held, as I expect this ship to be under arrest or investigation for a long period, or this wheat will be spoiled in the end. When there are short of wheat in the world, loosing supply is a big no or failure.

[Argoo]

More and more countries are being involved into wheat conflict. Now it is Turkey, as Ukraine says Russian ship carrying Ukrainian grain detained by Turkey. This is either fake or propaganda (but the sources, CNBC has a good reputation), or soon relationship between Russia and Turkey will be shaken.

I will put down question of this wheat origin, I am more interested in what will happen to this wheat. Can it be simply held, as I expect this ship to be under arrest or investigation for a long period, or this wheat will be spoiled in the end. When there are short of wheat in the world, loosing supply is a big no or failure.

This is really true information, which in Ukraine is distributed through official channels. According to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Turkish customs detained the cargo ship "Zhibek Zholy" with grain, which was taken out of the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk seized by Russia.

The ship belongs to the Kazakh company KTZ Express Shipping, but since October 2021 it has been chartered by the Russian company Green Line LLC. On June 28, the ship "Zhibek Joli" loaded 7,000 tons of wheat in the occupied Ukrainian Berdyansk, from where it left for the Turkish port of Karasu.

According to Bodnar, Ambassador of Ukraine to Turkey, the fate of the ship will be decided at a meeting of investigators on Monday. He expressed hope that the ship would be arrested. So it won't stay there for long.

Ukraine and Western states have repeatedly accused Russia of stealing Ukrainian grain and blocking Ukrainian ports, which hinders food supplies in the world.

On June 23, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu promised that his country would not accept stolen Ukrainian grain.