Wheat War I is going to be World War III

[pooya87]

The global food situation is worsening every second and in a month or two could lead to mass unrest followed by regimes suppressing the violence and eventually a wider war between countries stealing each other's food supplies to ease their domestic unrest, something similar but worse than what we saw during the first months of pandemic where Europeans countries were stealing from each other to ease their own crisis.

Let's take a quick look at a series of events:
1. Russia and Ukraine are two big producers, Russia invades and production is ceased in Ukraine.
2. Russia is sanctioned to put economic pressure on them so their exports to 99% of the world is completely stopped
3. Other producers like India follow this trend and stop their exports
4. Price of food soars as scarcity is now a serious threat
5. Other countries are embracing for the crisis by trying desperately to increase their own production but fertilizer exports are also ceased so the domestic production has also decreased significantly in most countries.
6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.
7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

The real question is how would each country handle this crisis. And at what scale is the conflicts going to break?

In West Asia we are producing most of our needs already but the pressure is still felt here. The biggest problem we are facing is the neighbors. The borders are already being tightened as we speak to handle immigration and prevent illegal exports that are basically stealing food!

Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.
US doesn't seem to be doing well either as they are currently trying to rob Ukraine and transfer all their wheat supply to reduce the crisis US itself is facing through the western border while Russia is still busy in the east and south and the world isn't looking.

This is starting to feel like WWII already when the Allies invaded India for example and how Churchil stole their food and starved more than 3 million Indians to death. The difference however is that the option to invade East to survive their European War aka WWII is no longer there for the West, so my guess would be a lot of conflict between different countries in Europe if the food crisis worsens, NATO falling apart and eventual mass migration towards East.

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[Moneyprism]

The real question is how would each country handle this crisis. And at what scale is the conflicts going to break?

in my own country, now the government is intensively financing MSMEs and also farmers to be independent and grow various plants well ... even now the government is also deploying graduates who have just graduated to assist farmers in developing their agriculture.. with this decision made by the government, we have succeeded in making our country's supply chain less affected by inflation and the global food crisis

[davis196]

7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

What?I don't know about France telling Ukraine to give up defending.This is probably fake news.
The food prices around the globe will definitely increase a lot,but I think that you are exaggerating a little bit.
Ukraine actually exports a part of it's own wheat production.The wheat is being transported to the Romanian port of Konstanza,where it will be transported by sea to the west.Perhaps a part of the Ukrainian wheat has been stolen by the Russians,but they have to sell it to countries in the Middle East(or China and India).Russia also needs more income from exporting goods,so the Russians have to sell their own wheat production.
I don't expect global starvation, but food will become more and more expensive for sure.

[pooya87]

What?I don't know about France telling Ukraine to give up defending.This is probably fake news.

You can argue about the reasons behind the suggestion but not the news itself since it is direct quotes from Ukraine's president Zelensky, unless you think the comedian is lying.
He claims that French President Emmanuel Macron has been pressuring him to yield a lot of territories to Russia.
I believe this is the origin of the news:
https://www.uawire.org/zelensky-macron-suggested-to-make-concessions-on-ukraine-s-sovereignty-to-help-putin-save-face#

I think that you are exaggerating a little bit.

Not a little bit, I'm theorizing the worse case scenario while wishing something a lot less happens to our world.

I don't expect global starvation, but food will become more and more expensive for sure.

One reason why I mentioned the worse case scenario and global starvation is that production everywhere is decreased due to a much lower supply of fertilizers which is something I haven't seen any analysts out there even consider! You see farmers need fertilizers so that the soil can handle more production and more frequent production. Otherwise the soil won't have enough nutrition in it to help the crops grow.
So we have a combination of decreased imports, decreased domestic production and at the same time we have an increased consumption. This sounds a lot like a recipe for disaster.

[Mometaskers]

I did saw the news about India stating they'd stop exporting their wheat. It's not really just Europe that is going to be affected by this. A large portion of North Africa and Middle East import their wheat. One of the reasons Egypt is angry about the Renaissance Dam is the reduced flow while it fill up is going to affect whatever wheat yield they are currently producing, and they are already importing a large portion of what they consume.

I was about to say I'm not as worried being a rice eater then I remembered China is basically strangling continental Southeast Asia's water supply and that would affect their rice production. Water war.

So we have a combination of decreased imports, decreased domestic production and at the same time we have an increased consumption. This sounds a lot like a recipe for disaster.

Due to intermittent fasting, I've somehow reduced my meals to x2 a day and I believe I can bring it down to x1 if need be. The problem is not everyone is just going to consciously reduce consumption and by the time they do, it's likely coz there's already a shortage and they were forced into it.

[be.open]

It's amazing, Russia accounts for only 2% of world GDP, but it seems that this is the very necessary two percent that you can eat, pour into the gas tank of a car or heat a house with them in winter. And everything else is just numbers on the stock exchange.

[mm2543363580]

I did saw the news about India stating they'd stop exporting their wheat. It's not really just Europe that is going to be affected by this. A large portion of North Africa and Middle East import their wheat. One of the reasons Egypt is angry about the Renaissance Dam is the reduced flow while it fill up is going to affect whatever wheat yield they are currently producing, and they are already importing a large portion of what they consume.

I was about to say I'm not as worried being a rice eater then I remembered China is basically strangling continental Southeast Asia's water supply and that would affect their rice production. Water war.

So we have a combination of decreased imports, decreased domestic production and at the same time we have an increased consumption. This sounds a lot like a recipe for disaster.

Due to intermittent fasting, I've somehow reduced my meals to x2 a day and I believe I can bring it down to x1 if need be. The problem is not everyone is just going to consciously reduce consumption and by the time they do, it's likely coz there's already a shortage and they were forced into it.

that is why I have mentioned earlier that world can not shut its door to the Russia - Mainly due to oil and 2ndly due to wheat.
This war is going to have lasting affact on the economy. And Russia will rise again no matter what!

[avikz]

Alongside China and India, US is also a mass producer of wheat and many other food grains. Whatever is happening in Europe, is a pre-planned series of events formulated by White house and Pentagon. I wouldn't be surprised, if UK is also a part of this conspiracy or not but they are also very likely to be a part of it.

Otherwise, there's no reason why US will force countries like Ukraine and Finland to join NATO. It would give them uninterrupted access to Russian border. That's what Russia is protesting and trying to protect their border from US invasion.  The UK and US imposed sanctions on them and look who are the most affected countries - european countries. US is all fine here!

If you don't understand the gameplan yet, you are living in fool's paradise.

[Vaskiy]

In a month's time the stand of India on wheat export have changed completely upside down. India made the first statement louder and the second one in a much quite way. Publicity without proper understanding is the reason for such moves. The entire world is in short, and India being the second largest producer of wheat could've handled the situation better. Because, there is more and more flaws in buying from the farmers and proper way of warehousing.

[be.open]

In a month's time the stand of India on wheat export have changed completely upside down. India made the first statement louder and the second one in a much quite way. Publicity without proper understanding is the reason for such moves. The entire world is in short, and India being the second largest producer of wheat could've handled the situation better. Because, there is more and more flaws in buying from the farmers and proper way of warehousing.

India can be understood, now it is the most numerous country in the world and it should first of all think about its own food security. It is unlikely that this decision was dictated by foreign policy motives; rather, it was influenced by the abnormal heat in March. In France, the situation with the climate is also unfavorable, there has been no rain for two months.

[Zilon]

The issue of food scarcity is solely because in this era farmers are few. Every one wants a clean job only a few are willing to go dirty for their cents. If mechanised farming gets high sponsorship by government agricultural banks I think many might consider farming as an occupation. Also If nations close down their boarders on importation of food may be the famine that smells close might be alleviated

[24Kt]

The issue of food scarcity is solely because in this era farmers are few. Every one wants a clean job only a few are willing to go dirty for their cents. If mechanised farming gets high sponsorship by government agricultural banks I think many might consider farming as an occupation. Also If nations close down their boarders on importation of food may be the famine that smells close might be alleviated

Considering that we have large part of agricultural land, it means, we won't go hungry if there will be farmers that will cultivate it. You are right, a lot are now looking for like office job or other easier jobs. Because being a farmer, takes hard work all day long under the heat of the sun. We can't expect new generations to follow this kind of lifestyle. But I do agree, the more machines in the farm, much better not only for the yield but less tedious jobs for the farmers. And it may possibly encourage them to stay in the farming business.

[Oceat]

This feels like going to WWIII if not stop immediately and world leaders should decide fast before it's too late for their people to suffer more in starvation not in war. I see where this is going if it will continue then neighboring countries whose solely relying on imported goods might get affected that much. It seems like a domino effect and soon will be felt by other countries and the answer to the solution is if world leaders would decide what to do to stop the crisis which is getting worse day by day.

[cabron]

In a month's time the stand of India on wheat export have changed completely upside down. India made the first statement louder and the second one in a much quite way. Publicity without proper understanding is the reason for such moves. The entire world is in short, and India being the second largest producer of wheat could've handled the situation better. Because, there is more and more flaws in buying from the farmers and proper way of warehousing.

India has its own problem. They're the 2nd largest population. Its only logical to save their own people from hunger than sending wheat somewhere. 

So little time left to grow crops before people will rally together out of hunger but maybe putting up an irrigation to the barren lands will work even for sweet potatoes just to survive this scarcity.  Wheat is just the most basic food for most countries.

[Hydrogen]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.)

As an american I suspect europe's food sustainability mirrors their solar energy viability. Many have pointed out how solar power isn't the best option for europe due to lack of sunlight. This trend could apply as well to europe's agricultural industry, which could lack the sunlight necessary to produce good volumes of food per hectare.

This is starting to feel like WWII already when the Allies invaded India for example and how Churchil stole their food and starved more than 3 million Indians to death. The difference however is that the option to invade East to survive their European War aka WWII is no longer there for the West, so my guess would be a lot of conflict between different countries in Europe if the food crisis worsens, NATO falling apart and eventual mass migration towards East.

One key thing to consider is bluefin tuna has been on the endangered species list for many consecutive years.

With overfishing, ocean pollution and acidification on the rise. There is a chance staple food products people rely on for survival could be hunted into extinction.

The amount of arable land (agriculture) in the world decreases every year. Along with worsening drought conditions and unstable weather patterns.

We could eventually face a perfect storm of worst case scenarios that is the stuff of nightmares.

The zombie apocalypse may be cancelled. The greatest threat to humanity may be our mismanagement of wildlife and resources.

[South Park]

It's amazing, Russia accounts for only 2% of world GDP, but it seems that this is the very necessary two percent that you can eat, pour into the gas tank of a car or heat a house with them in winter. And everything else is just numbers on the stock exchange.

It makes sense, a bullet can kill a person by damaging less than 1% of their body, the rest of the body is still fine and yet there is nothing that can be done to save that person, so it makes sense that a country that may not seem to hold too much power economically could produce such effects as long what they produce is critical, also I would not be surprised if Russia is at the top of the countries with the most drinking water, which will be a point of contention during this century.

[Zlantann]

I think this is a wakeup call to nations that have large and fertile lands for farming but yet depend on imports to feed their nations. Due to the discovery of oil and gas most countries abandoned agriculture and focused on the development of the oil and gas sector. Now most of them are suffering from inflation due to increase in the prices of food commodities. And this would become worst if there are no more grains to import. They are now adopting the fire brigade approach which include promoting agricultural education and investing in small and medium scale farming.

Although not attainable, it is also a lesson to the world that peaceful resolution of differences is the best instead of war. War has multidimensional and international negative consequences. No matter how far your country is from warring nations, it would definitely feel the negative impact of the war.

[Ozero]

7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

What?I don't know about France telling Ukraine to give up defending.This is probably fake news.
The food prices around the globe will definitely increase a lot,but I think that you are exaggerating a little bit.
Ukraine actually exports a part of it's own wheat production.The wheat is being transported to the Romanian port of Konstanza,where it will be transported by sea to the west.Perhaps a part of the Ukrainian wheat has been stolen by the Russians,but they have to sell it to countries in the Middle East(or China and India).Russia also needs more income from exporting goods,so the Russians have to sell their own wheat production.
I don't expect global starvation, but food will become more and more expensive for sure.

French President Macron suggested that Zelensky cede some part of his territories to Russia in this war in order to "save the face of Putin", who is clearly suffering a military defeat in Ukraine. To this, Zelensky replied that he was not even going to discuss the issues of ceding the territory of Ukraine and its sovereignty. The office of the President of Ukraine added that if Macron wants to make Putin a winner in the war, let him give up his territories.
 
With regard to food shortages, this issue is already being discussed at the highest levels. Russia is blocking shipping in the Black Sea and, first of all, the seaports of Ukraine. This does not allow Ukraine to export wheat and other agricultural products, which have already accumulated in the ports alone 4.5 million tons. The UN has already expressed fear of a famine that could begin in Africa. Therefore, they offered Russia to ease sanctions on the export of potash fertilizers in exchange for unblocking the ports of Ukraine. If Russia does not agree, then the US Sixth Fleet, which is now in the Mediterranean, is ready to enter the Black Sea to ensure the safety of navigation in this region. In this case, the likelihood of a Third World War increases, but no one is afraid of Russia anymore, since it has shown its military weakness and has already lost at least a third of its army in Ukraine.

[stompix]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.

Of course, you're wrong!

The EU is one the world's biggest food, cereals, and wheat exporter in the world, and also in the top biggest producers of all three of them.
They actually produce that much even wannabe regional powers are importing food from Europe.

the top EU agri-food products exported to Iran were wheat (€230 m) and cereals other than wheat and rice (€130 m);

That's why there are food riots in Iran and price increases of 300% overnight while in Europe all the shelves are full.

So this is wheat production:

* As mentioned, the EU's production of 126,658,950 tons would rank 2nd if it were a single country.

This is cereal production:
The EU produced 286.5 million tonnes of cereals in 2020., which puts Europe in fourth place but it completely outclases both India and China in per capita production.

And of course at the top when it comes to actual food exports,  with 6 of the biggest food exporters being from Europe. Just because in usual rankings pf production European countries don't make the top 5 is because the production is split between many of them with different crops for each one.

So now that we've covered wheat and cereals your other concerns, sunflower oil, again 5 countries from Europe in the biggest exporters,  and live stock feed, with 8 countries out of top 10 being again European.

Btw, speaking of crisis food riots, people getting shot in the streets, and the internet being closed down, why didn't you mention the 50 cents per day in food stamps the Iranian government is giving to the 80 million facing poverty and famine?
https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-bread-costs-skyrocket-unrest/31838051.html

Mohammad-Reza Mortazavi, the head of Iran's Flour Producers Association, said on May 2 that the country was more reliant than ever on foreign grain, and would have to import more than 20 million tons of grain in 2022. With Ukrainian grain exports hampered due to the war and the reported theft of Ukrainian grain stocks, Mortazavi said that Iran could not expect the rising price of agricultural commodities to fall, and would increasingly turn to "Russia or the Baltic states, and even [Western] Europe" for supplies.
https://observers.france24.com/en/middle-east/20220513-they-re-imposing-famine-on-us-protests-spread-among-iranians-faced-with-soaring-food-prices

So no, Europe has no food problem whatsoever, the only things we might be concerned about are bananas and coffee so we might have to get a cafe latte instead of an expresso. But of course, Russian and Iranian propaganda will tell you everything is the opposite, they know better.

[pooya87]

A large portion of North Africa and Middle East import their wheat.

West Asia or Middle East as you call it is already having problem with scarcity, why do you think we tightened our borders, they were stealing flour and selling it over the border for a whopping 10x profit! That forced the government to increase the flour price by a lot then give people the cash difference in their bank accounts.

But the difference with Europe and the reason why I focused on it is because the countries in West Asia that are facing the problems (Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon,...) are all used to these problems. Their countries are already torn apart by decades long wars and food was already scarce. Europeans on the other hand have not experienced this and aren't expecting it.

US is all fine here!

I wouldn't say "fine" considering the inflation has been rising a lot in US ever since the conflict. Not to mention the money they are spending in Ukraine publicly and privately and through weapons donation has to come from somewhere.

If Russia does not agree, then the US Sixth Fleet, which is now in the Mediterranean, is ready to enter the Black Sea to ensure the safety of navigation in this region.

I seriously doubt that. US strategy over the past ~50 years ever since Vietnam defeat was to not get involved in conflicts as much as possible and only fight by arming proxies, separatists and extremists, specially if they are facing an actual adversary.
On top of that with the deplorable living situations that US marines have on the seas that has led to numerous suicides I don't think they are even combat ready.

[DrBeer]

Please add 8 more points to the general list of problems - Russia is actively stealing grain from Ukrainian storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories. This will make the picture more complete.
It is also worth adding that Russia will most likely ... export this grain, passing it off as its own! In Russia, the domestic market still uses mostly low-quality grain, and usually mixed with feed grain. And the currency is paid for quality grain. It looks like it's time to impose an embargo on Russian grain as well. the scale of Russian theft from Ukraine is global! The southern regions of Ukraine have always been very fertile.

[yawars20]

There is no denying that world is effected by these two countries conflicts but still not this much as you prostrating it. Because there is always a conflict between different nation either they are from European side or from eastern countries the war always continues. The bitter thing is  that hypocritic media is overly covering it as a biggest conflict and creating a mess for everyone although there are bigger issue out there and many countries already loss millions of peoples but they didn't cover it like this.
you only pointed few countries and prostrating this matter as WORLD crisis is a fool act. The world has too many other problem yet to solve and this matter is not even close.

[fiulpro]

When we are talking about the problems that the world is facing because of the war between Russia and Ukraine we can take a pause and examine the threats Russia made recently about Finland joining NATO in the future suggesting a nuclear war soon. The world will crumble if that happens and the only thing left would be good produce rightly which would only prevail in countries which are tropical and have extensive farming like India but that would be so sudden that most of them might not even have a chance to stop exports and focus internally and that is exactly why China is preparing for the worst.

[amishmanish]

Food wars were common before advent of fertilizers. During world war 2 Britishers diverted the food grains produced in India to supply their troops in war. This led to famine in Bengal and death of three million people.  The cot of rice rose by 8 times and the response of winston churchill was summarized by his famous statement if famine is there “Why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?”.

[goldkingcoiner]

I am really confused as to how exactly this is going to lead to a wheat war? I really do not see wheat as the only food source available to humans and I am sure that all countries grow their own wheat in addition to buying wheat off other countries. In fact, the only reason we buy wheat from other countries is because it is more cost effective to buy from poorer countries rather than grow your own.

I think people should stop the panic because all this BS FUD is only serving one purpose, which is to spike the price of wheat artifically. Thus only benefiting the stock market traders.

People are such dumb sheep, its almost laughable if it wasn't so sad.

[laredo7mm]

Your post reminds me of the current situation in my country. Oil prices in hear spike 3X within a month. Other food prices also spike a little bit but it is not bad like a European country. It seems the impact of the war is spreading all over the world. Many economists in my country warn about a massive food crisis in the coming days.

When we are talking about the problems that the world is facing because of the war between Russia and Ukraine we can take a pause and examine the threats Russia made recently about Finland joining NATO in the future suggesting a nuclear war soon. The world will crumble if that happens and the only thing left would be good produce rightly which would only prevail in countries which are tropical and have extensive farming like India but that would be so sudden that most of them might not even have a chance to stop exports and focus internally and that is exactly why China is preparing for the worst.

Yes, i have heard the news too. Russia deployed the Iskander missile system on the border of Finland whose range is around 500KM. We know Putin's threat is not a child's words. His warning could treat as his course of action. I really hope the war will not break out in Finland though the chance is very high.

[salad daging]

The issue of food scarcity is solely because in this era farmers are few. Every one wants a clean job only a few are willing to go dirty for their cents. If mechanised farming gets high sponsorship by government agricultural banks I think many might consider farming as an occupation. Also If nations close down their boarders on importation of food may be the famine that smells close might be alleviated

This is true because, regardless of anything, now there are very few farmers and sometimes out of it all just old people without any generation and indeed only a few people are tempted by agriculture.
in this case in my country in the past few years most of them were farmers but nowadays it is very rare especially for young people who still want other jobs that are more suitable and not dirty.

But if things like this continue then it is not impossible that this will become a split considering that food is getting more difficult and on the other hand the need for food is increasing.

[Sithara007]

It is like a double whammy. Russia is having a bumper crop, but they can't export some of it as a result of sanctions and embargoes. Ukraine is one of the top producers, and the less said about them, that better. And another major producer (India) has banned wheat exports for this year. Now at the receiving end we have the major wheat importers. On top we have Indonesia, and then there are countries such as China, Turkey, Egypt and Algeria. China and Indonesia may continue with imports from Russia, but the other countries are in a tricky position.

[Fortify]

The global food situation is worsening every second and in a month or two could lead to mass unrest followed by regimes suppressing the violence and eventually a wider war between countries stealing each other's food supplies to ease their domestic unrest, something similar but worse than what we saw during the first months of pandemic where Europeans countries were stealing from each other to ease their own crisis.

It seems that you have a favorable bias towards Russia underlying your whole post, yet Russia is the one that started this global food crisis because of the totally unnecessary war with Ukraine - it began the biggest war that Europe has seen since WW2 simply because the free Ukrainian people were fed up of being controlled by one of Putin's useless puppets. Unfortunately it is all the poorest in the world who will be worst effected by this and the richest countries of the world will likely suffer the least. It seems that even India is restricting their exports and this sort of trade protectionism is bad for the world. The sooner the war in Ukraine stops, the sooner we can get back to normal peace and cheaper food.

[Gyfts]

Fertilizer is also a big issue. From my understanding, ammonium nitrates and urea are produced/exported from Russian and natural gas is an intermediate in the production of fertilizers which is under limited supply as well. The food supply is low and the cost of growing food is increasing. The luxury most residents in first worlds have is that their government is able to afford to make deals in order to secure food for its citizens, albeit at an elevated price from what's normal (better than nothing). The famine usually effects those already impoverished.

[Sithara007]

Fertilizer is also a big issue. From my understanding, ammonium nitrates and urea are produced/exported from Russian and natural gas is an intermediate in the production of fertilizers which is under limited supply as well. The food supply is low and the cost of growing food is increasing. The luxury most residents in first worlds have is that their government is able to afford to make deals in order to secure food for its citizens, albeit at an elevated price from what's normal (better than nothing). The famine usually effects those already impoverished.

It is not just the nitrate (NH₄NO₃) fertilizer. Russia and Belarus together account for more than one-fourth of the global supply of Potash fertilizer and as a result of the embargoes the price has gone up exponentially. And regarding the nitrate fertilizer, natural gas is one of the key ingredients and many of the manufacturers in Europe and the rest of the world are forced to suspend their operations (as a result of sky high natural gas prices). As a result of the limited supply, we can expect that the cereal production will go down around the world in another 6 months time. And given the fact that cereal prices are already at record highs, it may put a lot of pressure on the grain importing countries.

[be.open]

It is like a double whammy. Russia is having a bumper crop, but they can't export some of it as a result of sanctions and embargoes. Ukraine is one of the top producers, and the less said about them, that better. And another major producer (India) has banned wheat exports for this year. Now at the receiving end we have the major wheat importers. On top we have Indonesia, and then there are countries such as China, Turkey, Egypt and Algeria. China and Indonesia may continue with imports from Russia, but the other countries are in a tricky position.

Russia has a ban on wheat exports until the end of June 2022.

[pooya87]

Please add 8 more points to the general list of problems - Russia is actively stealing grain from Ukrainian storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories.

That's part of the first point, whenever one country invades another they usually steal their resources too. For example as we speak US is stealing more than 80% of Syrian oil.

There is no denying that world is effected by these two countries conflicts but still not this much as you prostrating it. Because there is always a conflict between different nation either they are from European side or from eastern countries the war always continues. The bitter thing is  that hypocritic media is overly covering it as a biggest conflict and creating a mess for everyone although there are bigger issue out there and many countries already loss millions of peoples but they didn't cover it like this.
you only pointed few countries and prostrating this matter as WORLD crisis is a fool act. The world has too many other problem yet to solve and this matter is not even close.

You are absolutely correct about other wars but the difference is the involvement. For example when the bloodthirsty Western coalition invaded Afghanistan and killed innocent people their countries weren't involved and wasn't affected, just their troops. In Ukraine they are all involved, they are sending covert troops, they are sending billions of dollars worth of equipment to Ukraine, their imports and exports are directly affected,...
For example this war has cost US at least $60 billion so far which is about two times higher than their cost when they invaded Afghanistan ($7 trillion in 20 years, that's 29 billion a month).

I am really confused as to how exactly this is going to lead to a wheat war? I really do not see wheat as the only food source available to humans

Well it is not just wheat, it is basic food stuff. Have you noticed that cooking oil is also scarce and/or has much higher price? That's because the supply of other products are also lower.
Have you noticed meat prices have also gone up and in some countries they are saying they soon have to put their livestock down because they can't provide their food? That's another case which would also affect dairy products too.
What else is left? Fruits and vegetables. That's covered by the scarcity of fertilizers.

As I said before, we are not yet at crisis levels but things are escalating towards that and with mismanagement we could face crisis very soon.

but they can't export some of it as a result of sanctions and embargoes.

What sanctions and embargoes? As long as they are paying Russia in Ruble to import their oil and gas and other things, there is no sanctions and embargoes. That means if Russia is not selling food to the same countries (in EU) that are buying their energy, they are doing it on purpose.

It seems that you have a favorable bias towards Russia underlying your whole post, yet Russia is the one that started this global food crisis because of the totally unnecessary war with Ukraine

I have no bias towards the country that caused one of the biggest starvation in my country's history during WWII. We were neutral in that war.
We are discussing the effects of the war on global food security not the war itself or whether or not it was necessary. We could discuss that in another topic if you like!

[be.open]

I am really confused as to how exactly this is going to lead to a wheat war? I really do not see wheat as the only food source available to humans

Well it is not just wheat, it is basic food stuff.

You are right, wheat is not only bread and spaghetti, first of all it is the basis of the forage base for animal husbandry (chickens, pork, beef).

[Mometaskers]

A large portion of North Africa and Middle East import their wheat.

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But the difference with Europe and the reason why I focused on it is because the countries in West Asia that are facing the problems (Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon,...) are all used to these problems. Their countries are already torn apart by decades long wars and food was already scarce. Europeans on the other hand have not experienced this and aren't expecting it.

Makes me wonder if the civil unrest in Europe would be as bad as if it happened in those countries you mentioned. My impression is that Europeans have become too docile for that.

[Lucius]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.

That is true, the EU of almost 500 million people imports a lot of food and is far from meeting its needs with its own production. Unfortunately, this is the result of a policy that has been pursued for decades, and which is yet to show its negative consequences, although some say we can see it today. Everything is still good as long as the product is on the shelves regardless of the price, but when people start arguing over who will get the last liter of oil and a bag of flour, then real riots will break out.

This is starting to feel like WWII already when the Allies invaded India for example and how Churchil stole their food and starved more than 3 million Indians to death. The difference however is that the option to invade East to survive their European War aka WWII is no longer there for the West, so my guess would be a lot of conflict between different countries in Europe if the food crisis worsens, NATO falling apart and eventual mass migration towards East.

At this point, I would not go so far as to talk about direct food conflicts within the EU, nor that NATO will fall apart. There is food on the market, and those who are willing to pay the highest price will get it - the EU is certainly at the top of those who have the means to provide enough food for their inhabitants. On the other hand, NATO is expanding even more and getting stronger with the accession of Sweden and Finland - and with the Russian invasion, no one thinks of leaving such a military alliance that guarantees security.

I am more concerned about countries that were heavily dependent on cheap grains from Ukraine and Russia, and now find themselves in a very difficult situation that means only one thing, great hunger, and mass protests.

[hugeblack]

In my corunty, the weather is hot and the desert is extended, so I think that we import a large part of our food products, mainly wheat, and it seems that its prices will not decrease in the short term.

The good side is that most of our countries are linked to agricultural contracts (leased agricultural areas) in both Brazil and Australia, so I think that we will not face a problem unless environmental problems such as drought and forest fires increase, but the occurrence of a world war, especially on Australia, will have a direct impact on us.

As for the rest of the countries of the year, I do not think that we will face a problem this year, as all governments expect a crisis, but its extension for several years will cause a problem.

[BOAEDAN]

Wheat war will be the third world war, most likely if European countries will definitely be a big problem, because wheat is their staple food, if the war can't be stopped it will definitely be a disaster for all countries, even though my country does not make wheat as a source of food. staple food but the impact of the war weighed heavily on us, all basic commodities went up, unemployment increased and our economy was very weak.

[pooya87]

On the other hand, NATO is expanding even more and getting stronger with the accession of Sweden and Finland - and with the Russian invasion, no one thinks of leaving such a military alliance that guarantees security.

I can't agree with you here because we've seen that alliances don't mean much in real world when personal interests are involved. NATO is good as long as they are all threatened not just one of them. In other words I strongly believe that the moment Finland joins NATO, Russia will invade and NATO won't do anything about that either.
Remember that even though Ukraine was not part of EU or NATO they had given them all kinds of promise for protection. That is why Ukraine let them enter in first place. Neither NATO nor US did anything for Ukraine apart from sending some low tier weapons and praying for them from afar!

but the occurrence of a world war, especially on Australia, will have a direct impact on us.

I'd be more worried about China, their expansion into Solomon Islands and the recent war simulation where they blew up a mock up of the most strategic Taiwan port looks like they are also gearing up for invasion. If US fools Australia to get involved in that conflict (through AUKUS Alliance) those islands are going to be a thorn in their side.

[stompix]

That is true, the EU of almost 500 million people imports a lot of food and is far from meeting its needs with its own production. Unfortunately, this is the result of a policy that has been pursued for decades, and which is yet to show its negative consequences, although some say we can see it today. Everything is still good as long as the product is on the shelves regardless of the price, but when people start arguing over who will get the last liter of oil and a bag of flour, then real riots will break out.

Bruh, what? The EU is the net exporter of food, seriously, where do you get this idea?
Let's assume you have ignored by previous post and the links in it, what does the EU import in such quantities, coffee, bananas, and macadamia nuts?

Top wheat importers:
https://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=wheat&graph=imports
Scanning for European countries....27   United Kingdom, 66   Switzerland   500   ....
Top wheat importers:
Scanning for European countries
https://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=wheat&graph=exports
2   EU-27   36,000    lol? Lol?
Chicken meat exports?
3   EU-27   1,800   
Beef?
6   EU-27   685   
Pig meat? And don't you dare touch this subject!!! 
1   EU-27   4,750   

So what do we import so much?  Oh, the famous sunflower oil, which..is not that much used in Europe actually, because well, Italians and with their diet, nordic and central with fat cooking, and the rest with rapeseed oil, which again!! we export a ton of it!

On the other hand, NATO is expanding even more and getting stronger with the accession of Sweden and Finland - and with the Russian invasion, no one thinks of leaving such a military alliance that guarantees security.

That's true Putin has managed to unite the whole of Europe better than ever.
The army has become so scared of the warmongers pushing them to dos stupid things that finally, Kremlin has given the green light to Khodarenok to come in prime time on Russian state TV and tell them Russia can't fight another war,  telling again and again, each day things they don't want to hear

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1523036461595242498
https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

Those were two shows one week apart, just thinking that not only he didn't commit suicide by shooting himself 100 times in the back with three different weapons but he came back, pushed in the show by the higher and he simply doesn't give a fuck it's clear what's happening.
The writing is on the wall, we have accomplished our mission despite this not being our original mission and we have done so despite fighting the entire world, so we will just retreat behind our borders since that's what patriotism means, defending the country.  This is Hitler 2.0, we have successfully retreated back to defend the fatherland! 

It is not just the nitrate (NH₄NO₃) fertilizer. Russia and Belarus together account for more than one-fourth of the global supply of Potash fertilizer and as a result of the embargoes the price has gone up exponentially.

And ignoring the fact that Canada and Germany make 1/3 of that production and while Germany and Spain produce 7% of it, Europe only needs to feed 1/20 of the world.

[Cryptock]

Wheat war will be the third world war, most likely if European countries will definitely be a big problem, because wheat is their staple food, if the war can't be stopped it will definitely be a disaster for all countries, even though my country does not make wheat as a source of food. staple food but the impact of the war weighed heavily on us, all basic commodities went up, unemployment increased and our economy was very weak.

There is so much suffering and misery in the world, Heart aches all the time seeing people dying of malnutrition.
The bans and sanction on Russia will go long way. Russia is one of the largest wheat producing county and it would not be an easy task cutting ties with Russia.

[pooya87]

Russia is one of the largest wheat producing county and it would not be an easy task cutting ties with Russia.

It is not just Russia though, it is also Ukraine and all the others that are putting fuel in the fire like India that recently banned exports and I recently learned that Indonesia had banned their Palm oil exports (which they may change these days) which caused the prices to soar and to the point that cooking oil was nowhere to be found in some countries such as Germany.

[Zlantann]

It is very disheartening that Russia is now using starvation as a weapon of war. I am not surprise because they used the same food blockage in Syria and many of opposition strongholds starved to death. The capturing of the Port of Odesa and other key ports was a calculated and planned war strategy to starve the world of agricultural products thereby forcing the West and it's partners to review sanctions imposed on them. This blockade has stopped almost a hundred foreign vessels shipping agricultural produce through the Black Sea from sailing. One of the greatest challenge NATO and its allies is facing is that Russian still has strong sympathisers that are willing to be used as instruments to make these Russian strategies work perfectly.

[be.open]

It is very disheartening that Russia is now using starvation as a weapon of war. I am not surprise because they used the same food blockage in Syria and many of opposition strongholds starved to death. The capturing of the Port of Odesa and other key ports was a calculated and planned war strategy to starve the world of agricultural products thereby forcing the West and it's partners to review sanctions imposed on them. This blockade has stopped almost a hundred foreign vessels shipping agricultural produce through the Black Sea from sailing. One of the greatest challenge NATO and its allies is facing is that Russian still has strong sympathisers that are willing to be used as instruments to make these Russian strategies work perfectly.

Ukraine mined the exits from the port, fearing a Russian landing on Odessa. And now Russia is to blame for the fact that Ukraine cannot export 20 million tons of grain to Europe, which will cause famine in Ukraine itself, because this year's sowing campaign is actually disrupted. Logically.

[Lucius]

Bruh, what? The EU is the net exporter of food, seriously, where do you get this idea?
Let's assume you have ignored by previous post and the links in it, what does the EU import in such quantities, coffee, bananas, and macadamia nuts?

It seems that I misjudged the situation when it comes to certain products, all because more or less everything is imported in my country - milk, beans, beef and pork, potatoes... Somehow it seems to me that despite the rather large agricultural areas that are poorly cultivated or not cultivated at all, without imports we would be in a rather difficult situation. When a country loses 400 000 inhabitants in 10 years and has an anti-national policy led by former communists and their children who hate the country in which they live, then it is no wonder that we are so dependent on imports.

That's true Putin has managed to unite the whole of Europe better than ever.
The army has become so scared of the warmongers pushing them to dos stupid things that finally, Kremlin has given the green light to Khodarenok to come in prime time on Russian state TV and tell them Russia can't fight another war,  telling again and again, each day things they don't want to hear

It seems to be exactly as you describe, but I wonder if the Russians were not aware that their moves would result in just such a development? Many parallels can be drawn between the war that began in 1991 when Serbia invaded Croatia, occupied 1/3 of the country and killed thousands of innocent civilians - while the siege of Mariupol lasted almost identically to the siege of Vukovar. After all, the Serbs were defeated militarily and politically, although they realized a plan to expand their territory by gaining 49% of the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina that they want to annex to Serbia.

I think the goal of the war was to destroy Ukraine in terms of infrastructure and economics and to increase the occupied territories in the east - while the attack on Kyiv and northern Ukraine was just a smokescreen and a distraction of Ukrainian forces.

[so98nn]

Wow, so much is going all over the world. The fact that India stopped exporting is not because of any insider job/decision, it's merely step back to keep up the internal food scarcity from worsening. If India keeps exporting then they have nothing to loose but gain more in the IMF and make the Rupee stronger. However, many of them think it's because of Russia-India relationship which is making them to go this route. Its entirely wrong. Situation in India is poor in terms of weather. The whole nation is suffering from all time high heat until now and some regions are surprisingly hit by worst monsoon ever!

The problem is, every region and local farmer knows the weather cycle as they keep farming every year. Since couple of years weather has changed so many cycles that the crop which is suitable this month is either getting too much water, too much sunlight or too much cold (spreaded across nation) and thus crop production is failing a lot.

Lemons, Onions, Grapes, Mangoes everything is so costly here, common man thinks twice before buying them! The mother nature has taken the rope in their hands now and who knows how bad this is gonna be.

I dont think there is any finger on India as of now. Every nation will always think about their own peeps before making any move towards other nation. Off course, if it's gonna be WWIII then India is much more organised as compared to previous wars and had learnt million lessons and is prepared for the same.

[stompix]

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It seems that I misjudged the situation when it comes to certain products, all because more or less everything is imported in my country - milk, beans, beef and pork, potatoes... Somehow it seems to me that despite the rather large agricultural areas that are poorly cultivated or not cultivated at all, without imports we would be in a rather difficult situation. When a country loses 400 000 inhabitants in 10 years and has an anti-national policy led by former communists and their children who hate the country in which they live, then it is no wonder that we are so dependent on imports.

Happened with everyone in the former Warsaw pact, and it will change in a few years for the better and better.
It was the same around here, from Prague to Budapest to Warsaw, everyone was saying no more anything is produced, then it took a  few years and look, we're exporting things everywhere, Poland is even trying to play in the big guys league when it comes to food exports, of course, France is a beast of its own but the others can be reached. Even Romania is showing signs of starting again to produce more things, both they and Bulgaria have this problem with infrastructure and store manufacturing so they export raw and get finished products but it will get there.

Speaking strictly about Croatia I must admit, I have no clue what type of land and what is being cultivated in all that former Yugoslav block, all my knowledge about agriculture has been confined north of the Danube, so it might be that you lack the land to produce wheat or maize or whatever. From my few trips there I picture it more like some olive oil whine country, more like Italy or Spain.

But bottom line, no, no fucking way Europe can't feed itself!

It seems to be exactly as you describe, but I wonder if the Russians were not aware that their moves would result in just such a development? Many parallels can be drawn between the war that began in 1991 when Serbia invaded Croatia, occupied 1/3 of the country and killed thousands of innocent civilians - while the siege of Mariupol lasted almost identically to the siege of Vukovar.

It's exactly the same, a population that was at a center of a union suddenly saw the others don't want them anymore, the Serbs ruling Yugoslavia, the Russians ruling the Soviet Union. And when their former co-nationals don't want them anymore they forget the "brotherly" love and start butchering them like savages. And now they don't understand why everyone around them hates them.

[Synchronice]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.

Germany is the second-largest food exporter in the world (The beating heart of the European continent ❤)
The United Kingdom is the third-largest food exporter in the world (North-west of the European continent)
France is the sixth-largest food exporter in the world (The western edge of Europe)
The Netherlands is the seventh-largest food exporter in the world (located in western Europe)
Belgium is the ninth-largest food exporter in the world (located in the west of Europe)
Italy is the tenth-largest food exporter in the world (located in southern Europe)



Confirmed: No risk of food shortages in the EU

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

[goaldigger]

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

The number still looking good for EU, and yes they will not starve to death as they still have trading partners. The real affected here is the 3rd world country or the developing country and we already feeling it. We imports most of our goods and the price started to rise already. If there’s a war trade between those countries, tendency our the value of basic commodities will increase and this is why some countries started to limit their export already.

[Johnyz]

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

The number still looking good for EU, and yes they will not starve to death as they still have trading partners. The real affected here is the 3rd world country or the developing country and we already feeling it. We imports most of our goods and the price started to rise already. If there’s a war trade between those countries, tendency our the value of basic commodities will increase and this is why some countries started to limit their export already.

They are still facing bigger problems, we cannot deny it even before the war started between Russia and Ukraine, there’s already a trade war in some countries and maybe if this continues, EU countries will also face that problem. Small countries are the usual received of those bad economies, they are highly affected by this. Hoping that Russia won’t invade Finland as well now that they joined the NATO because if its happen, this could be a huge war again and this trade war will be more worst.

[crzy]

Russia is one of the largest wheat producing county and it would not be an easy task cutting ties with Russia.

It is not just Russia though, it is also Ukraine and all the others that are putting fuel in the fire like India that recently banned exports and I recently learned that Indonesia had banned their Palm oil exports (which they may change these days) which caused the prices to soar and to the point that cooking oil was nowhere to be found in some countries such as Germany.

These two big countries produce one of the basic necessities and I can say that we are all affected by this. Though, there are some countries who export the same thing, maybe its their chance to maximize their production and claim the spot if being the top exporter. This war caused a lot of problems already, hope they can finally end this one but I heard the news recently about US giving Ukraine a billions if aid money, they are still supporting this war as usual.

[pooya87]

I think the goal of the war was to destroy Ukraine in terms of infrastructure and economics and to increase the occupied territories in the east - while the attack on Kyiv and northern Ukraine was just a smokescreen and a distraction of Ukrainian forces.

That's right. The attacks from north were part of the quick incapacitation strategy where (despite what the Western propaganda says) they didn't want to occupy Kyiv although (despite what the Russian propaganda says) they weren't expecting this much resistance either. In this strategy they had very key targets such as the Ukraine Air Force, their radars and air defenses, and most importantly their biological weapons labs that were build with the US help. Even Chernobyl (located in Northern Ukraine) was a target to make sure the intelligence was right and there weren't any nukes there.
Now Ukraine is forced into Guerrilla Warfare while Russia cuts off the possibility of NATO ever having access to the very strategic Sea of Azov and significantly reduces access to the Black Sea.

Germany is the second-largest food exporter in the world (The beating heart of the European continent ❤)
The United Kingdom is the third-largest food exporter in the world (North-west of the European continent)
France is the sixth-largest food exporter in the world (The western edge of Europe)
The Netherlands is the seventh-largest food exporter in the world (located in western Europe)
Belgium is the ninth-largest food exporter in the world (located in the west of Europe)
Italy is the tenth-largest food exporter in the world (located in southern Europe)

Thanks for the info but can you also explain where does the scarcity and the soaring prices come from in parts of EU that I heard about. For example my friends in Germany told me they haven't been able to find cooking oil, flour and some other stuff for about a month. Or UK is talking about a cost of living crisis and the fact that 1.5 million people entered absolute poverty level this year. Italy seems very import-reliant too when it comes to animal feed and general food production, for example farmers are reporting that they have to shut down business if the country can not provide them with what they need to grow crops or feed their livestock.

Could you also tell me where does EU get their fertilizers and animal feed from?

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

I don't think there is going to be that much issue in most of Western Asia mainly because when the Russian exports to the West stops, they have to replace their customers with someone else. They can't just keep accumulating grains, etc. The exports have already increased to Asia too.

I can't comment on Africa though since I don't have that much information.

[stompix]

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

Wasn't that clear from the start? It's damn basic economics and some here still don't understand that everything has a price and everyone has purchasing power. It was obvious that if a food crisis hits the ones that spend 90% of their income on food will be hit harder than the ones spending 20% or 30%, it's clear that the guy making 2000 euros a month will afford gas even when it's an at 3 euros per liter while the one making 200$ will not!

It's completely disappointing seeing this, especially on bitcointalk, where we clearly have the bitcoin price as reference, PPP means nothing here, it doesn't matter that rent is 20$ in Dakka and 2000$ in New York, one bitcoin is still $30 000 for both of them, and food is also traded, oil is also international traded, the one with more money will afford to buy more, just like with BTC.Basics!

Thanks for the info but can you also explain where does the scarcity and the soaring prices come from in parts of EU that I heard about. For example my friends in Germany told me they haven't been able to find cooking oil, flour and some other stuff for about a month.

Tell them to try and enter a store for a change:
https://www.kaufland.de/oele/
https://www.kaufland.de/mehl/

Or stop listening to propaganda for a change! Or get a clue when your friends are poking fun at you!
Or, since I'm a nazi lower American propagandist and obviously this is a fake nazi Ukrainian site and not the biggest store in Germany you can always ask the guys in the German sub if the shelves are empty, so you could finally stop with the fake news once for all.
Infinite possibilities that end with oil available everywhere.

Could you also tell me where does EU get their fertilizers and animal feed from?

You're not going to like the answer, but Europe exports animal feed! Just one click away!
https://oec.world/en/profile/hs/animal-food

I don't think there is going to be that much issue in most of Western Asia mainly because when the Russian exports to the West stops, they have to replace their customers with someone else.

You can't "stop" or redirect something that was never there!
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/wheat/reporter/rus?redirect=true

[Sithara007]

Ukraine mined the exits from the port, fearing a Russian landing on Odessa. And now Russia is to blame for the fact that Ukraine cannot export 20 million tons of grain to Europe, which will cause famine in Ukraine itself, because this year's sowing campaign is actually disrupted. Logically.

In the long term, Ukraine needs to find alternative route for their wheat exports, because by the time the war ends they will be a landlocked country. Once the Donbass offensive is over, the Russian Armed Forces will direct their offensive towards Kharkiv-Dnipropetrovsk and Mykolayiv-Odessa. So the sooner they adjust with the reality of not being able to use the port of Odessa, that much better. And let's not forget the fact that the most productive wheat producing regions in Ukraine are located in the South and the East (most of which is under Russian control now).

[be.open]

Ukraine mined the exits from the port, fearing a Russian landing on Odessa. And now Russia is to blame for the fact that Ukraine cannot export 20 million tons of grain to Europe, which will cause famine in Ukraine itself, because this year's sowing campaign is actually disrupted. Logically.

In the long term, Ukraine needs to find alternative route for their wheat exports, because by the time the war ends they will be a landlocked country. Once the Donbass offensive is over, the Russian Armed Forces will direct their offensive towards Kharkiv-Dnipropetrovsk and Mykolayiv-Odessa. So the sooner they adjust with the reality of not being able to use the port of Odessa, that much better. And let's not forget the fact that the most productive wheat producing regions in Ukraine are located in the South and the East (most of which is under Russian control now).

During the disputes over Odessa, approximately 1.1 million tons of grain were transported from Ukraine to Romania by rail and road. This is the maximum that can be taken out by land in the current conditions.

[Lucius]

Happened with everyone in the former Warsaw pact, and it will change in a few years for the better and better.
It was the same around here, from Prague to Budapest to Warsaw, everyone was saying no more anything is produced, then it took a  few years and look, we're exporting things everywhere...

You did not take into account the population when it comes to Poland, Bulgaria or Romania compared to Croatia, which now has about 3.8 million inhabitants (400 000 less than 10 years ago). The problem is that there is no one to produce food, and the biggest landowners in the continental part of the country, believe it or not, are Russians. They got the land on the basis of a loan they gave to the largest Croatian company Konzum, which went bankrupt, and then the most valuable parts were divided between local and foreign vultures.

Speaking strictly about Croatia I must admit, I have no clue what type of land and what is being cultivated in all that former Yugoslav block, all my knowledge about agriculture has been confined north of the Danube, so it might be that you lack the land to produce wheat or maize or whatever. From my few trips there I picture it more like some olive oil whine country, more like Italy or Spain.

There is also the continental part of Croatia which is a large fertile lowland where grain, barley, corn, sunflower, and oilseed rape are grown with the potential to feed 20 million people - but it is the part of the country from which most people have emigrated. Quite another story is the Adriatic coast, they are developing because of tourism, and because of that they live much better than the rest of the country. The only problem they have is that they are missing as many as 30 000 workers this year.

It's exactly the same, a population that was at a center of a union suddenly saw the others don't want them anymore, the Serbs ruling Yugoslavia, the Russians ruling the Soviet Union. And when their former co-nationals don't want them anymore they forget the "brotherly" love and start butchering them like savages. And now they don't understand why everyone around them hates them.

30 years after the war, they still deny aggression, mass crimes, concentration camps, the fact that they killed over 400 children - and they are getting closer to joining the EU every day. Because of all this, I think that in the end Russia will profit from everything and that in some 20-30 years no one will talk about war and crimes - except of course the Ukrainians.

[Synchronice]

Germany is the second-largest food exporter in the world (The beating heart of the European continent ❤)
The United Kingdom is the third-largest food exporter in the world (North-west of the European continent)
France is the sixth-largest food exporter in the world (The western edge of Europe)
The Netherlands is the seventh-largest food exporter in the world (located in western Europe)
Belgium is the ninth-largest food exporter in the world (located in the west of Europe)
Italy is the tenth-largest food exporter in the world (located in southern Europe)

Thanks for the info but can you also explain where does the scarcity and the soaring prices come from in parts of EU that I heard about. For example my friends in Germany told me they haven't been able to find cooking oil, flour and some other stuff for about a month. Or UK is talking about a cost of living crisis and the fact that 1.5 million people entered absolute poverty level this year. Italy seems very import-reliant too when it comes to animal feed and general food production, for example farmers are reporting that they have to shut down business if the country can not provide them with what they need to grow crops or feed their livestock.

Could you also tell me where does EU get their fertilizers and animal feed from?

I live in Berlin and I'm not facing agricultural problems. I don't use flour, and stuff that contains high glycemic index carbohydrates and unhealthy fats since I'm into bodybuilding (for cooking I only use extra virgin olive oil). I mostly visit Edeka, Rewe, Lidl and Aldi. I can confirm that there was no food shortage in these supermarkets, every shelf was full.
You can check yourself at Aldi online store - Click here
Visit Amazon.de, put a random german address and type Weizenmehl in the search bar.
Oils are in stock too and their prices are damn affordable for anyone. In general, food prices are very affordable in Germany and prices aren't going to soar much. Even if that happens, food will still be affordable for the average citizens if the salaries stay the same.

Here is another good statistics from statista:
Leading fertilizer importing countries worldwide in 2020, based on value
Leading fertilizer exporting countries worldwide in 2020, based on value

The main exporters of Russia's fertilizers are Brazil, Estonia, India, China and the United States. Source ¹

You should also check Food Security index. All the top 6 countries are European countries. In general, EAA countries lead in the chart and Russia is 23rd on the list.

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Here is another good statistics from statista:
Leading fertilizer importing countries worldwide in 2020, based on value
Leading fertilizer exporting countries worldwide in 2020, based on value

The main exporters of Russia's fertilizers are Brazil, Estonia, India, China and the United States. Source ¹

You should also check Food Security index. All the top 6 countries are European countries. In general, EAA countries lead in the chart and Russia is 23rd on the list.

They took Russia very easy - thinking Russia is Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Syria.
But Russia is powerful. They are going to fight back. No matter what and the world will understand that cutting off ties with Russia is not an easy thing.

[pooya87]

@Synchronice thanks for your input again but sorry I have a hard time believing you when people I know in real life are saying it and also many different media outlets like businessinsider (published on May 9, 2022) are also talking about the same shortage.
Or maybe that is all propaganda?!

German restaurants also are struggling with higher cooking-oil prices. In April, the famous pub Gaffel am Dom in Cologne said it would take french fries off its menu due to a sunflower-oil shortage.

A spokeswoman for McDonald's Germany said the company will reduce the amount of sunflower oil in the oil blend it uses for frying. The company told Insider in March that McDonald's customers can still get fries "in the usual quality."

Meanwhile, bottles of sunflower oil have been out of stock for weeks in German supermarkets.

[Synchronice]

@Synchronice thanks for your input again but sorry I have a hard time believing you when people I know in real life are saying it and also many different media outlets like businessinsider (published on May 9, 2022) are also talking about the same shortage.
Or maybe that is all propaganda?!

German restaurants also are struggling with higher cooking-oil prices. In April, the famous pub Gaffel am Dom in Cologne said it would take french fries off its menu due to a sunflower-oil shortage.

A spokeswoman for McDonald's Germany said the company will reduce the amount of sunflower oil in the oil blend it uses for frying. The company told Insider in March that McDonald's customers can still get fries "in the usual quality."

Meanwhile, bottles of sunflower oil have been out of stock for weeks in German supermarkets.

You are welcome but in all seriousness, I'll visit some supermarkets not only in my area but in other boroughs, I'll probably visit Düsseldorf too.

Now, don't believe, just check:
1. Visit Amazon.de
2. Click on deliver to and put 57614 in ZIP Code (Disclaimer: This is random zip code from google and works).
3. In search bar, type: Sonnenblumenöl (This means sunflower oil) and just check yourself whether it's in-stock or out of stock.

[Vaskiy]

@Synchronice thanks for your input again but sorry I have a hard time believing you when people I know in real life are saying it and also many different media outlets like businessinsider (published on May 9, 2022) are also talking about the same shortage.
Or maybe that is all propaganda?!

German restaurants also are struggling with higher cooking-oil prices. In April, the famous pub Gaffel am Dom in Cologne said it would take french fries off its menu due to a sunflower-oil shortage.

A spokeswoman for McDonald's Germany said the company will reduce the amount of sunflower oil in the oil blend it uses for frying. The company told Insider in March that McDonald's customers can still get fries "in the usual quality."

Meanwhile, bottles of sunflower oil have been out of stock for weeks in German supermarkets.

You are welcome but in all seriousness, I'll visit some supermarkets not only in my area but in other boroughs, I'll probably visit Düsseldorf too.

Now, don't believe, just check:
1. Visit Amazon.de
2. Click on deliver to and put 57614 in ZIP Code (Disclaimer: This is random zip code from google and works).
3. In search bar, type: Sonnenblumenöl (This means sunflower oil) and just check yourself whether it's in-stock or out of stock.

What you say is different from what is being discussed. What OP tried to brief is about a particular store's situation. If Amazon shows out of stock, then it'll affect its business. These stores will consume directly from the producer. Russia and Ukraine contributing the major need of wheat to the world into war is the major reason for ongoing food shortage. Hope this will be solved.

[Sithara007]

During the disputes over Odessa, approximately 1.1 million tons of grain were transported from Ukraine to Romania by rail and road. This is the maximum that can be taken out by land in the current conditions.

Not sure whether it is possible anymore. The railway track runs through the Dniester estuary, and a crucial bridge (Zatoka) was destroyed last week as a result of missile strikes. Ukraine was using this track to transport weapons provided by NATO nations and as a result Russia decided to take it offline. And as a result the wheat can't be transported from Odessa to Romania using this preferred route. Other routes (both rail and road) exists, but I am not sure whether they can handle this much capacity. And railway system all across Ukraine is in a pathetic state as a result of missile strikes. 

[mm2543363580]

During the disputes over Odessa, approximately 1.1 million tons of grain were transported from Ukraine to Romania by rail and road. This is the maximum that can be taken out by land in the current conditions.

Not sure whether it is possible anymore. The railway track runs through the Dniester estuary, and a crucial bridge (Zatoka) was destroyed last week as a result of missile strikes. Ukraine was using this track to transport weapons provided by NATO nations and as a result Russia decided to take it offline. And as a result the wheat can't be transported from Odessa to Romania using this preferred route. Other routes (both rail and road) exists, but I am not sure whether they can handle this much capacity. And railway system all across Ukraine is in a pathetic state as a result of missile strikes. 

Heard that Russian forces are confiscating the food and utensils of Ukrainian so they die of hunger and cold.
This is curel - the damage done is already very big. There is a need for mercy and forgiveness so that life comes back.

[nur rochid]

During the disputes over Odessa, approximately 1.1 million tons of grain were transported from Ukraine to Romania by rail and road. This is the maximum that can be taken out by land in the current conditions.

Not sure whether it is possible anymore. The railway track runs through the Dniester estuary, and a crucial bridge (Zatoka) was destroyed last week as a result of missile strikes. Ukraine was using this track to transport weapons provided by NATO nations and as a result Russia decided to take it offline. And as a result the wheat can't be transported from Odessa to Romania using this preferred route. Other routes (both rail and road) exists, but I am not sure whether they can handle this much capacity. And railway system all across Ukraine is in a pathetic state as a result of missile strikes. 

Heard that Russian forces are confiscating the food and utensils of Ukrainian so they die of hunger and cold.
This is curel - the damage done is already very big. There is a need for mercy and forgiveness so that life comes back.

but it seems that on the other hand the western countries when I see the news will provide tank assistance and war equipment to ukraine. from this it looks like the war will continue, and it is possible that it will spread, but hopefully not. And of course the route that Russia destroys I think is not only for the mobilization of food, so cutting off access can weaken the power of Ukraine.

[South Park]

During the disputes over Odessa, approximately 1.1 million tons of grain were transported from Ukraine to Romania by rail and road. This is the maximum that can be taken out by land in the current conditions.

Not sure whether it is possible anymore. The railway track runs through the Dniester estuary, and a crucial bridge (Zatoka) was destroyed last week as a result of missile strikes. Ukraine was using this track to transport weapons provided by NATO nations and as a result Russia decided to take it offline. And as a result the wheat can't be transported from Odessa to Romania using this preferred route. Other routes (both rail and road) exists, but I am not sure whether they can handle this much capacity. And railway system all across Ukraine is in a pathetic state as a result of missile strikes.  

Heard that Russian forces are confiscating the food and utensils of Ukrainian so they die of hunger and cold.
This is curel - the damage done is already very big. There is a need for mercy and forgiveness so that life comes back.

While the US and other governments are worried about chemical weapons the truth is that something as simple as stealing the food and the water from the Ukrainians can have an even bigger effect than those weapons, we must not forget that the war also started when it was still winter at Ukraine so I would not be surprised if a lot of people froze to death as they lost their homes and the clothes necessary to protect themselves from the elements, so while we would like for the war to be over already it does not seems as if it is going to end as soon as we may like it.

[cabron]

During the disputes over Odessa, approximately 1.1 million tons of grain were transported from Ukraine to Romania by rail and road. This is the maximum that can be taken out by land in the current conditions.

Not sure whether it is possible anymore. The railway track runs through the Dniester estuary, and a crucial bridge (Zatoka) was destroyed last week as a result of missile strikes. Ukraine was using this track to transport weapons provided by NATO nations and as a result Russia decided to take it offline. And as a result the wheat can't be transported from Odessa to Romania using this preferred route. Other routes (both rail and road) exists, but I am not sure whether they can handle this much capacity. And railway system all across Ukraine is in a pathetic state as a result of missile strikes.  

Heard that Russian forces are confiscating the food and utensils of Ukrainian so they die of hunger and cold.
This is curel - the damage done is already very big. There is a need for mercy and forgiveness so that life comes back.

While the US and other governments are worried about chemical weapons the truth is that something as simple as stealing the food and the water from the Ukrainians can have an even bigger effect than those weapons, we must not forget that the war also started when it was still winter at Ukraine so I would not be surprised if a lot of people froze to death as they lost their homes and the clothes necessary to protect themselves from the elements, so while we would like for the war to be over already it does not seems as if it is going to end as soon as we may like it.

In fact war is going worse along with food shortage as US had hurriedly passed a bill for $40B for Ukraine weapons. And western media still portraying that Ukraine is winning?

Wake up because countries that relies heavily on food exports will also be forced to buy wheat from Russia for rubles as well if they intend to ask rubles once again. Its like the sanctions backfired to all countries and sooner when they come to realize, siding towards Russia will be more of a survival. Its just so wrong so wrong to poke a bear when in reality we need them more. 

[Lubcub62]

several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective. Recently I also saw a post that explains about saving farm costs by using and making independent organic fertilizers. so in my country food needs are always fulfilled because we do not rely on imports. although the government in my country is less active in fostering farmers. but farmers prove that they can even without the help of the government though. and now the government is starting to support and see the potential of the farmers.
my country is a fertile country.

However, I understand that in a country with infertile soil, food shortages will inevitably occur, especially if the country is used to importing food needs from abroad. then it can be a big problem if the import is stopped. This condition can lead to internal conflict. and will eventually widen into a bigger conflict if alternative solutions are not sought and found. it is not impossible if left unchecked will lead to war.

[Sithara007]

Heard that Russian forces are confiscating the food and utensils of Ukrainian so they die of hunger and cold.
This is curel - the damage done is already very big. There is a need for mercy and forgiveness so that life comes back.

It is just propaganda. The Russians are not confiscating agricultural produce and equipment in Ukraine. Not even the Ukrainians have made these allegations. And let's not forget the fact that Ukraine is a grain surplus country. They are among the top-5 exporters of wheat in the world and currently there is no food shortage across that country. The only issue is that some 10 to 15 million tons of grain that is earmarked for exports is currently stuck inside Ukraine. The port of Odessa is out of action and the railway system is not in working condition. Until the war ends soon, these stocks will remain stuck inside Ukraine.

[DrBeer]

Heard that Russian forces are confiscating the food and utensils of Ukrainian so they die of hunger and cold.
This is curel - the damage done is already very big. There is a need for mercy and forgiveness so that life comes back.

It is just propaganda. The Russians are not confiscating agricultural produce and equipment in Ukraine. Not even the Ukrainians have made these allegations. And let's not forget the fact that Ukraine is a grain surplus country. They are among the top-5 exporters of wheat in the world and currently there is no food shortage across that country. The only issue is that some 10 to 15 million tons of grain that is earmarked for exports is currently stuck inside Ukraine. The port of Odessa is out of action and the railway system is not in working condition. Until the war ends soon, these stocks will remain stuck inside Ukraine.

I inform you:
1. Russian terrorist troops, having seized cities and towns in the south of Ukraine, loot not only against civilians, but also steal and export massively wheat from storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories. This is a proven and documented fact!
2. Russia deliberately blocks the seaports of Ukraine, thereby stopping the shipment of grain to European and other buyers.
3. Russian terrorist troops massively steal agricultural equipment from agricultural companies located in the temporarily occupied territory. This fact has also been recorded. But here high technology has played a cruel joke on the technologically backward Russians. One example is the John Deere agricultural equipment, after it was overtaken by the aggressor to one of the regions of the country, was blocked and stopped working, which greatly surprised thieves who were backward in development and modern technologies!
Threat to the topic I will add another documentary, comedy story about the occupiers In Ukraine, backward terrorists massively steal from the houses of Ukrainians not only household appliances and things, but also plumbing. Washing machines and toilet bowls are in special demand among the inhabitants of the "great country". Yes, yes, do not be surprised - they steal toilets! But the funny thing is that when they bring washing machines to their place of residence and connect them, most of them do not work! And now the funniest thing - do you know why most looters do not have washing machines at home? I answer - because they do not have an ordinary water pipe in their houses that meets the requirements and standards, namely, water is supplied with an unacceptably low pressure that is not sufficient for the operation of a washing machine ... This is how greatness looks in Russian

[Sithara007]

^^^ Not surprised with reports of looting. Looking at the Russian casualty figures published by BBC Russia, I could see that the regions with maximum number of deaths were poor minority dominated ones such as Buryatia, Tuva, Ossetia and Dagestan. Hardly any deaths were reported from Moscow (where 15% of the Russians live) and St. Petersburg. Living standards in Asian republics such as Buryatia are abysmally low when compared to European conditions. And this is what Russia get after 3 decades of looting of natural resources by the oligarchs.

[Sir Legend]

The increasing need for food makes many countries have to do everything to meet the food needs of the country, I think this is the fault of many countries because most of them focus on industry and leave agriculture, when there is a stock problem, the wheat producing country will increase significantly, making the country feel difficult with the increase, maybe this is the beginning of world war 3.

[jostorres]

I inform you:
1. Russian terrorist troops, having seized cities and towns in the south of Ukraine, loot not only against civilians, but also steal and export massively wheat from storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories. This is a proven and documented fact!
2. Russia deliberately blocks the seaports of Ukraine, thereby stopping the shipment of grain to European and other buyers.
3. Russian terrorist troops massively steal agricultural equipment from agricultural companies located in the temporarily occupied territory. This fact has also been recorded. But here high technology has played a cruel joke on the technologically backward Russians. One example is the John Deere agricultural equipment, after it was overtaken by the aggressor to one of the regions of the country, was blocked and stopped working, which greatly surprised thieves who were backward in development and modern technologies!
Threat to the topic I will add another documentary, comedy story about the occupiers In Ukraine, backward terrorists massively steal from the houses of Ukrainians not only household appliances and things, but also plumbing. Washing machines and toilet bowls are in special demand among the inhabitants of the "great country". Yes, yes, do not be surprised - they steal toilets! But the funny thing is that when they bring washing machines to their place of residence and connect them, most of them do not work! And now the funniest thing - do you know why most looters do not have washing machines at home? I answer - because they do not have an ordinary water pipe in their houses that meets the requirements and standards, namely, water is supplied with an unacceptably low pressure that is not sufficient for the operation of a washing machine ... This is how greatness looks in Russian

Leave him be as it is; mate, this guy believes that in a world where Russia attacked and murdered thousands of civilians who had nothing against Russia but they are just too good to steal food. We all know that anyone who is willing to kill an innocent person and enjoys it, will not be stopping at stealing food, you and me both know this. He is a Russian supporter, either Russian or just an ideological lover, and they will go at lengths to make it look like Russia is doing something they have to, even though they dislike doing it.

In a world where Putin is hated by EVERYONE but Russia lovers, even some Russians hate him, so it is not really that much of a shock to have people come to defend the most disgusting things.

[Cryptock]

I inform you:
1. Russian terrorist troops, having seized cities and towns in the south of Ukraine, loot not only against civilians, but also steal and export massively wheat from storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories. This is a proven and documented fact!
2. Russia deliberately blocks the seaports of Ukraine, thereby stopping the shipment of grain to European and other buyers.
3. Russian terrorist troops massively steal agricultural equipment from agricultural companies located in the temporarily occupied territory. This fact has also been recorded. But here high technology has played a cruel joke on the technologically backward Russians. One example is the John Deere agricultural equipment, after it was overtaken by the aggressor to one of the regions of the country, was blocked and stopped working, which greatly surprised thieves who were backward in development and modern technologies!
Threat to the topic I will add another documentary, comedy story about the occupiers In Ukraine, backward terrorists massively steal from the houses of Ukrainians not only household appliances and things, but also plumbing. Washing machines and toilet bowls are in special demand among the inhabitants of the "great country". Yes, yes, do not be surprised - they steal toilets! But the funny thing is that when they bring washing machines to their place of residence and connect them, most of them do not work! And now the funniest thing - do you know why most looters do not have washing machines at home? I answer - because they do not have an ordinary water pipe in their houses that meets the requirements and standards, namely, water is supplied with an unacceptably low pressure that is not sufficient for the operation of a washing machine ... This is how greatness looks in Russian

Leave him be as it is; mate, this guy believes that in a world where Russia attacked and murdered thousands of civilians who had nothing against Russia but they are just too good to steal food. We all know that anyone who is willing to kill an innocent person and enjoys it, will not be stopping at stealing food, you and me both know this. He is a Russian supporter, either Russian or just an ideological lover, and they will go at lengths to make it look like Russia is doing something they have to, even though they dislike doing it.

In a world where Putin is hated by EVERYONE but Russia lovers, even some Russians hate him, so it is not really that much of a shock to have people come to defend the most disgusting things.

Yes - I heard the same from a Ukrainin friends - she mentioned they take along their pans and food. Maybe they want them to starve and die day by day.
If this is so this is very sad and cruel . Russia has done so much damage to the Ukraine and also to the world. Time to think

[Lucius]

several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plants.

As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.

[Cryptock]

several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plant
As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.

People in our country make compost with leaves and vegetable and fruits peel too.
This only needs a little effort and the results are amazing. Some people have great minds. They take care of the environment and they waste less stuff and use biodegradable items. Hence do good to the environment!

[virasisog]

several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plants.

As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.

If people will only have the eagerness to explore new things just to fill in the gaps or lack of supply in a country things will be quite easy to solve. We only have to be efficient and creative so we could contribute something during times of crisis. We could make alternatives to survive. If there's a lack of supply of wheat then we could switch to rice or corn. This wheat crisis couldn't get worse if people will only be wise.

[MMA]

several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plants.

As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.

If people will only have the eagerness to explore new things just to fill in the gaps or lack of supply in a country things will be quite easy to solve. We only have to be efficient and creative so we could contribute something during times of crisis. We could make alternatives to survive. If there's a lack of supply of wheat then we could switch to rice or corn. This wheat crisis couldn't get worse if people will only be wise.

The most important is to simplify our levies. we need to reduce the useless activities from our life. it is not only important for economy but also can improve our health. As we can see the the people living in villages have good health and even have very limited expences because  of the way they spend their livies.

[STT]

I dont know we have to be so specific to just wheat, I agree its an important market but my overall take is commodities are booming in this decade and probably beyond that.   The reasons are fairly clear, we have a large amount of the world population outside of the west emerging from multiple decades of decline namely China and India.  If the world has a requirement for growth in commodities because those two countries are becoming more developed not purely agrarian then the production of food will become more important.
   I think agriculture and fertilizer production are two of those commodities, Russia doesnt have to invade another country but Ukraine is a natural competitor to them and with valuable assets such as their ports on the black sea.   Without transport via shipping Ukraine will require the alternative of 1 million truck loads to sell their grain, thats the scenario at present where Russia just retains their current captured land.     Its a war about money and power over assets yet again, the rest is an excuse for killing.

People in our country make compost with leaves and vegetable and fruits peel too.
This only needs a little effort and the results are amazing. Some people have great minds. They take care of the environment and they waste less stuff and use biodegradable items. Hence do good to the environment!

Food waste is recycled in quite a few countries now, it is a waste not to of course.  Any rubbish dump can become explosive for reasons related to that as gas naturally occurs from decomposition and accumulates until ignited.  I think India that happened recently, waste management is respected quite a few places now but still great improvements do need to be made.    Part of the commodity cycle is higher prices incentivizing the investment into recycling goods to be reused also

[Sithara007]

People in our country make compost with leaves and vegetable and fruits peel too.
This only needs a little effort and the results are amazing. Some people have great minds. They take care of the environment and they waste less stuff and use biodegradable items. Hence do good to the environment!

A few years back, Sri Lanka tried to replace chemical fertilizer completely with organic fertilizer. They banned chemical fertilizer such as Potash, Phosphate and Urea and asked the farmers to rely on organic fertilizer such as compost. But this experiment failed pathetically and the agricultural output collapsed. This was one of the reason why Sri Lanka is facing an economic meltdown right now. Things such as green energy and organic fertilizer sounds good on paper, but when you try to put in to practice on a massive scale, it seldom works.

[judaspriest]

several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plants.

As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.

If people will only have the eagerness to explore new things just to fill in the gaps or lack of supply in a country things will be quite easy to solve. We only have to be efficient and creative so we could contribute something during times of crisis. We could make alternatives to survive. If there's a lack of supply of wheat then we could switch to rice or corn. This wheat crisis couldn't get worse if people will only be wise.

The most important is to simplify our levies. we need to reduce the useless activities from our life. it is not only important for economy but also can improve our health. As we can see the the people living in villages have good health and even have very limited expences because  of the way they spend their livies.

Perhaps more precisely, we should save money by reducing expenses related to expenses that are not too important,
if you compare life in the city and in the village, I think it's really different, both for the necessities of life and so on,
but apart from that living frugally is very important and maybe we can practice little by little

[Cryptock]

Perhaps more precisely, we should save money by reducing expenses related to expenses that are not too important,
if you compare life in the city and in the village, I think it's really different, both for the necessities of life and so on,
but apart from that living frugally is very important and maybe we can practice little by little

Inflation plaguing the entire world. Ripples through India, UK, BD, Turkey, US and Europe.
The food and oil crisis will be unbearable for the average human. People are in trouble and there is no end to this suffering.

[Sithara007]

Inflation plaguing the entire world. Ripples through India, UK, BD, Turkey, US and Europe.
The food and oil crisis will be unbearable for the average human. People are in trouble and there is no end to this suffering.

It is much worse than what they are telling us. Inflation rate is measured at 10%-12% at the most. But the prices of food commodities have gone up by anywhere from 50% to 150%. The price of fuel (diesel, LPG.etc) has gone up by more than 100%. For lower middle class and poor population, the impact of inflation is much worse because the commodities which they use have gone up by a level which is much higher than the inflation rate. And in certain countries such as Turkey and Pakistan, the situation is even worse due to the devaluation of the national currency.

[pooya87]

Italian Foreign Minister recently commented on a global "food war" that is near by due to the shortage caused by the conflict over in Ukraine. I just don't know why he twisted it toward Africa whereas his own country has set a record high inflation rate while food prices are soaring due to decreased supply and increasing production costs.

It's like instead of getting off their fannies and solving the problem he is trying to say "just because Africa could be worse we should be thankful that we are being f***ed less".

[Rikafip]

I just don't know why he twisted it toward Africa whereas his own country has set a record high inflation rate while food prices are soaring due to decreased supply and increasing production costs.

Maybe because chances of Italy going into civil war/coup is much lower compared to African countries and its logical to assume that poorer and more unstable countries are hit harder? And no, inflation rate in Italy is not at the all time high, it was much worse in 70s. No matter how shitty situation is in Europe, its immensely worse in Africa. And no, I am not saying that we should be thankful that we are getting fucked less in this situation and be happy with it, but imho no need for this doom & gloom attitude.

It's like instead of getting off their fannies and solving the problem he is trying to say "just because Africa could be worse we should be thankful that we are being f***ed less".

Italy and other European countries can't solve shit.

[NotATether]

I mean come on, this is just like COVID-19 but with exports instead of people.

And didn't we get through that last event fairly well?

3. Other producers like India follow this trend and stop their exports

The question is why? There's no good reason for 3rd countries to jump on this bandwagon of export seccession just because of a conflict between two others.

6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.

Well, smart move from them. Now China becomes the world's biggest food exporter after the end of the invasion.

7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

Not surprising as France themselves capitulated to German armed terror during WWII so I get the feeling that they are quite defeatist.

The real question is how would each country handle this crisis. And at what scale is the conflicts going to break?

International conflict will only happen if countries "stealing" food from each other do it officially and at an extreme scale which is very unlikely to happen as there are thankfully no mad dogs in the hot seat who'd do something like that [think e.g. Hitler], Putin himself strikes me more as a Stalin and would only invade countries for Russia's own benefit [remember the Balkans over 80 years ago].

So if it's just armed uprising, the most you get are coups, insurrections, and possibly civil war if the armed forces fail to sufficiently quash the revolts.

[be.open]

6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.

Well, smart move from them. Now China becomes the world's biggest food exporter after the end of the invasion.

China has been actively buying up long-term storage products on the world market for a couple of years now and has accumulated significant stocks. Although there are rumors that China is preparing for the worst-case scenario in order to avoid starvation during the nuclear winter and survive 1-2 years without a new crop. But it is not exactly.

[NotATether]

Although there are rumors that China is preparing for the worst-case scenario in order to avoid starvation during the nuclear winter and survive 1-2 years without a new crop. But it is not exactly.

Good lord, nuclear winter? What have you guys been reading?

How many times already have journalists and the press been fanning the flames of a nuclear war (of course, without any geopolitical backing for such a crisis) over the years?

Off the top of my head, I can count at least five (5) proclaimations to global nuclear war that people have been saying would happen since a decade or so ago, and we have yet to realize a single one of them. And this isn't even counting the food shortage.

2008 - Iran, Georga (2)
2014 - Crimea (1)
2017 - Nuclear Deal falls apart with Iran (1)
Feb 2022 - Ukraine proper (1)

The reality is that no sane person or organization would consent to another world war [not even Russia] and if we were anywhere seriously close to it, you'd be hearing A LOT of appeals from world leaders to "do something to avoid the war" (as in 80 years ago. Even the pope was issuing an appeal like that).

[be.open]

Although there are rumors that China is preparing for the worst-case scenario in order to avoid starvation during the nuclear winter and survive 1-2 years without a new crop. But it is not exactly.

Good lord, nuclear winter? What have you guys been reading?

How many times already have journalists and the press been fanning the flames of a nuclear war (of course, without any geopolitical backing for such a crisis) over the years?

Off the top of my head, I can count at least five (5) proclaimations to global nuclear war that people have been saying would happen since a decade or so ago, and we have yet to realize a single one of them. And this isn't even counting the food shortage.

2008 - Iran, Georga (2)
2014 - Crimea (1)
2017 - Nuclear Deal falls apart with Iran (1)
Feb 2022 - Ukraine proper (1)

The reality is that no sane person or organization would consent to another world war [not even Russia] and if we were anywhere seriously close to it, you'd be hearing A LOT of appeals from world leaders to "do something to avoid the war" (as in 80 years ago. Even the pope was issuing an appeal like that).

Since the Caribbean Crisis, the world has been dominated by the stereotype that there will be no winners in a nuclear war, and therefore nuclear weapons are only a deterrent, like a loaded gun that hangs on the wall but will never fire. Today, however, it is useful to reconsider many old stereotypes for their relevance, because the nuclear club has expanded noticeably and now includes countries like North Korea, for which the truths of half a century ago are not a sufficiently weighty authority. Russia has also changed military doctrine since then, and now Russia can use nuclear weapons not only in response to a direct nuclear strike on its territory, but also in response to any sufficiently serious existential threat against itself. Therefore, I would not completely discount this scenario as having zero probability.

[pooya87]

The question is why? There's no good reason for 3rd countries to jump on this bandwagon of export seccession just because of a conflict between two others.

Two simple reasons: politics and money.
- India for example tries to play the middle where it gets close to the West but has good relations with the East but the more this distance between the two blocs increases the more different countries are forced to choose a side. Right now it suites India best to play the Eastern block's game which means pressuring the West.
- And of course cutting exports means reduced supply and increased prices which is always good for producers since they make a lot more profit.

I mean come on, this is just like COVID-19 but with exports instead of people.
International conflict will only happen if countries "stealing" food from each other

Funny you should mention COVID alongside this since countries were stealing each other's supplies of toilet paper and hand sanitizers and face masks during the early pandemic times!

and therefore nuclear weapons are only a deterrent, like a loaded gun that hangs on the wall but will never fire.

It actually depends on the country. There are cases that such WMDs are completely useless.
For example Pakistan has nuclear weapons but nobody takes them seriously. US just toppled their government and over the past 2 decades has been invading their territories even bombed some places when they were occupying Afghanistan. Or Israel is a terrorist regime that has a lot of nuclear warheads and nobody gives a shit since the land they occupy is already surrounded by armed forces, so essentially they would have to detonate the warheads inside their silos due to the close proximity which is impossible!

[be.open]

and therefore nuclear weapons are only a deterrent, like a loaded gun that hangs on the wall but will never fire.

It actually depends on the country. There are cases that such WMDs are completely useless.
For example Pakistan has nuclear weapons but nobody takes them seriously. US just toppled their government and over the past 2 decades has been invading their territories even bombed some places when they were occupying Afghanistan. Or Israel is a terrorist regime that has a lot of nuclear warheads and nobody gives a shit since the land they occupy is already surrounded by armed forces, so essentially they would have to detonate the warheads inside their silos due to the close proximity which is impossible!

You are right, it depends on the country. I think Russia, by its actions in Ukraine, deserves to be taken seriously enough. The demonstration of combat use of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile at the beginning of the operation was quite impressive, the missile penetrated 60 meters of earth and several meters of reinforced concrete, and then exploded in an old Soviet bunker that was specially designed to withstand a direct hit from a nuclear missile. Nevertheless, the bunker was hit, albeit by a conventional non-nuclear warhead, and the missile defense systems worked after the target was hit. Russia has made very significant progress in offensive tactical and strategic nuclear weapons in recent years and the balance of power has now shifted in its favor. Hypersonic missiles Dagger, Zirkon and Sarmat with Avangard warheads allow Russia to unhinderedly launch a preventive nuclear strike anywhere on the planet, and its S-400 and S-500 missile defense systems give hope that this strike will go unpunished. In addition, Russia also has Poseidon unmanned underwater nuclear drones on combat duty, which are called the "Continent Killer". The US has squandered its technological lead by 20 years of chasing terrorists and now the world has a new sheriff.

[Cryptock]

You are right, it depends on the country. I think Russia, by its actions in Ukraine, deserves to be taken seriously enough. The demonstration of combat use of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile at the beginning of the operation was quite impressive, the missile penetrated 60 meters of earth and several meters of reinforced concrete, and then exploded in an old Soviet bunker that was specially designed to withstand a direct hit from a nuclear missile. Nevertheless, the bunker was hit, albeit by a conventional non-nuclear warhead, and the missile defense systems worked after the target was hit. Russia has made very significant progress in offensive tactical and strategic nuclear weapons in recent years and the balance of power has now shifted in its favor. Hypersonic missiles Dagger, Zirkon and Sarmat with Avangard warheads allow Russia to unhinderedly launch a preventive nuclear strike anywhere on the planet, and its S-400 and S-500 missile defense systems give hope that this strike will go unpunished. In addition, Russia also has Poseidon unmanned underwater nuclear drones on combat duty, which are called the "Continent Killer". The US has squandered its technological lead by 20 years of chasing terrorists and now the world has a new sheriff.

Has anything happened yet? The whole world turned against Russia and it didn't affect Russia. However - now EU is in trouble because of oil and gas.
The sections are not going to have a single effect on the Russia - but dont you think whoever has done boycott with Russia is now in troublesome condition

[be.open]

You are right, it depends on the country. I think Russia, by its actions in Ukraine, deserves to be taken seriously enough. The demonstration of combat use of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile at the beginning of the operation was quite impressive, the missile penetrated 60 meters of earth and several meters of reinforced concrete, and then exploded in an old Soviet bunker that was specially designed to withstand a direct hit from a nuclear missile. Nevertheless, the bunker was hit, albeit by a conventional non-nuclear warhead, and the missile defense systems worked after the target was hit. Russia has made very significant progress in offensive tactical and strategic nuclear weapons in recent years and the balance of power has now shifted in its favor. Hypersonic missiles Dagger, Zirkon and Sarmat with Avangard warheads allow Russia to unhinderedly launch a preventive nuclear strike anywhere on the planet, and its S-400 and S-500 missile defense systems give hope that this strike will go unpunished. In addition, Russia also has Poseidon unmanned underwater nuclear drones on combat duty, which are called the "Continent Killer". The US has squandered its technological lead by 20 years of chasing terrorists and now the world has a new sheriff.

Has anything happened yet? The whole world turned against Russia and it didn't affect Russia. However - now EU is in trouble because of oil and gas.
The sections are not going to have a single effect on the Russia - but dont you think whoever has done boycott with Russia is now in troublesome condition

I think the countries that imposed sanctions against Russia were counting on a completely different effect. Putin set a good example of political judo.

[Sithara007]

It actually depends on the country. There are cases that such WMDs are completely useless.
For example Pakistan has nuclear weapons but nobody takes them seriously. US just toppled their government and over the past 2 decades has been invading their territories even bombed some places when they were occupying Afghanistan. Or Israel is a terrorist regime that has a lot of nuclear warheads and nobody gives a shit since the land they occupy is already surrounded by armed forces, so essentially they would have to detonate the warheads inside their silos due to the close proximity which is impossible!

Having nuclear weapons alone is not enough. The country needs to have ICBMs, which can launch these nukes against the opponents. And I don't believe that Pakistan is having ICBMs that are strong enough to evade common air-defense systems such as the Patriot or the S-400. On the other hand, everyone is concerned about the DPRK, because they have proven that they have ICBMs that can reach the mainland United States. If they launch 10-15 missiles, there is a good chance that at least 2-3 would evade the air defense.

[pooya87]

to evade common air-defense systems such as the Patriot

I always laugh hard whenever I hear the name of this defense system. It is literary the most expensive and most useless thing that has ever been made. It couldn't even protect Saudi Aramco[1] or even US bases against primitive rockets and drones made by the poorest country in Middle East called Yemen
[1] I believe it cost them about $100 million to try and fail to shoot down half a dozen projectile. Some joked that the damage caused by the impact was lower...

because they have proven that they have ICBMs that can reach the mainland United States.

The keyword is "proven". NK has nothing to lose so they make these things public otherwise we too have hypersonic ICBMs but whenever a new missile is revealed we say it's range is 1500 KM

[Sithara007]

^^^ Agreed on the MIM-104 Patriot. It has proved to be completely useless. And this is exactly one of the reasons why führer Recep Tayyip Erdoğan went for the S-400 air defense system instead of the Patriot, despite all the threats and blackmail from the Americans. Even hardcore US allies such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE are considering the purchase of S-400, to protect their skies.

And now coming to the ICBMs, I don't know about the capabilities of Iranian missiles. As far as I know, the one with longest range is Sajjil-2, which can target locations as far away as 2,200 km. However, this one is more like a medium-range ballistic missile than an ICBM. I have heard about Shahab-6, but not much information is available.

[pakhitheboss]

It actually depends on the country. There are cases that such WMDs are completely useless.
For example Pakistan has nuclear weapons but nobody takes them seriously. US just toppled their government and over the past 2 decades has been invading their territories even bombed some places when they were occupying Afghanistan. Or Israel is a terrorist regime that has a lot of nuclear warheads and nobody gives a shit since the land they occupy is already surrounded by armed forces, so essentially they would have to detonate the warheads inside their silos due to the close proximity which is impossible!

Having nuclear weapons alone is not enough. The country needs to have ICBMs, which can launch these nukes against the opponents. And I don't believe that Pakistan is having ICBMs that are strong enough to evade common air-defense systems such as the Patriot or the S-400. On the other hand, everyone is concerned about the DPRK, because they have proven that they have ICBMs that can reach the mainland United States. If they launch 10-15 missiles, there is a good chance that at least 2-3 would evade the air defense.

Having nuclear weapons only helps in deterrence. Those countries that do not have can be easliy attacked just as Russia did with Ukrain. Missile defence system are just a waste of money. If 10 missiles are launched the chance of a best missile defence stopping it is only 90 percent. Therefore you need to have missile like the ICBM. DPKR is a rogue nation but they know if a missile hits any city of the USA then their country will cease to exist. The missile power show by DPKR is only an act of deterrence.

[pooya87]

And now coming to the ICBMs, I don't know about the capabilities of Iranian missiles. As far as I know, the one with longest range is Sajjil-2, which can target locations as far away as 2,200 km. However, this one is more like a medium-range ballistic missile than an ICBM. I have heard about Shahab-6, but not much information is available.

Of course there is no public information since as I said the official stance is a range below 2500 km and usually reported as 1450 lol. One hint is that the technology used to send satellites into orbit is pretty similar. Another hint is the size of some of these missiles and the fact that they exit atmosphere and finally the fact that military officials have hinted at the availability of them.
But we're going off-topic now

If 10 missiles are launched the chance of a best missile defence stopping it is only 90 percent.

FYI the success rate of a defense system depends on a lot of factors including missile speed, size, altitude, projectile path, ... and whether the system is overwhelmed or any kind of cyber warfare is used by the missile itself. The best case scenario is a success rate of below 10%.

[Ozero]

Russia has faced fierce military resistance to invade Ukraine and is unable to conquer it militarily. Therefore, Putin's criminal regime changed its original plans and began mass destruction of the civilian population in Ukraine, including women, children and the elderly, as well as bombing, shelling and destroying the civilian infrastructure in Ukraine by all possible means in order to suppress the ability to resist and cause fear among the people of Ukraine . With these actions, Russia caused completely different consequences both in Ukraine and in the international community. If before the large-scale invasion of Ukraine in February, everything Russian was treated fairly loyally in Ukraine, and even an influential pro-Russian party was actively working in its parliament, now even Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine have begun to treat Russians extremely negatively due to massive robberies, rapes and murders by Russians. soldiers of the Russian-speaking population, which they allegedly came to liberate and protect from incomprehensible "Nazis" who exist only in the heads of the Kremlin's politicians. After such atrocities on the part of the Russian occupiers, more than 80 percent of the people of Ukraine do not want to make any concessions to the aggressor and only want Russia's military defeat. Therefore, the Ukrainian government has stopped any negotiations with Russia for the time being.

One of the spheres of intimidation of Ukrainians is also the destruction or blockade of grain and other agricultural products, which caused tension in the world with food, since only in the seaports of Ukraine blocked by Russia there are more than 22 million tons of grain that cannot enter international markets. In order to solve the current food problem, which Russia has artificially created, you just need to curb the Russian aggressor.

I see that some here directly admire the political leadership of Russia, headed by its current emperor Putin, who single-handedly makes any decisions of a political and economic nature, as well as the military power of this state. I would like to see how they would admire if Russia attacked their country and tried to turn them into slaves in the 21st century, as Russian soldiers are trying to do with the people of Ukraine. The Putin government, like every occupier, will find only their own death in Ukraine.

[passwordnow]

I've just read on the news that there's someone who said that the food crisis is going to be the next pandemic alike situation. Well, it seems to be true and the news about food shortage is starting to go out and it seems that the majority is still not worrying and taking it seriously about this situation. Food shortage, oil crisis, covid's still there and much many more economic issues. There's also a Russian representative that I've just read the quote of that news that he said, there's no crisis that Russia is facing currently with regards to these issue.

[Kakmakr]

OP, I think the first "Food" war.... will start after the "Water" wars. We all know that food and animals cannot live without water, so once most water sources has been polluted and the weather changed .....rain will decrease and a water crisis will start.

One thing that I have learned over time is this.... People have a way to adapt to changing conditions. A lot of people have lived in the most desolate areas in the world, but I think the countries with the most dense populations are going to suffer the most. (China)

The solution : Look after Nature... and it will look after you!

[DrBeer]

and therefore nuclear weapons are only a deterrent, like a loaded gun that hangs on the wall but will never fire.

It actually depends on the country. There are cases that such WMDs are completely useless.
For example Pakistan has nuclear weapons but nobody takes them seriously. US just toppled their government and over the past 2 decades has been invading their territories even bombed some places when they were occupying Afghanistan. Or Israel is a terrorist regime that has a lot of nuclear warheads and nobody gives a shit since the land they occupy is already surrounded by armed forces, so essentially they would have to detonate the warheads inside their silos due to the close proximity which is impossible!

You are right, it depends on the country. I think Russia, by its actions in Ukraine, deserves to be taken seriously enough. The demonstration of combat use of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile at the beginning of the operation was quite impressive, the missile penetrated 60 meters of earth and several meters of reinforced concrete, and then exploded in an old Soviet bunker that was specially designed to withstand a direct hit from a nuclear missile. Nevertheless, the bunker was hit, albeit by a conventional non-nuclear warhead, and the missile defense systems worked after the target was hit. Russia has made very significant progress in offensive tactical and strategic nuclear weapons in recent years and the balance of power has now shifted in its favor. Hypersonic missiles Dagger, Zirkon and Sarmat with Avangard warheads allow Russia to unhinderedly launch a preventive nuclear strike anywhere on the planet, and its S-400 and S-500 missile defense systems give hope that this strike will go unpunished. In addition, Russia also has Poseidon unmanned underwater nuclear drones on combat duty, which are called the "Continent Killer". The US has squandered its technological lead by 20 years of chasing terrorists and now the world has a new sheriff.

Sounds very powerful. Just like in the brochure!
Ok, Ukraine, which does not have significant air defense, missed a certain number of Kinzhal missiles. Here no one disputes this fact.
But at the same time, the Ukrainian army, in many other situations, just showed the uselessness of Russian "unparalleled" ones (the funniest narrative from Russian media). The cruiser Moscow, Zmeinny Island, the "vaunted" electronic warfare and other advertised "fakes", especially the welded grilles on the towers of "tanks that have no analogue", "guaranteed to save from being hit by a javelin", all of them showed their effectiveness, which is very different from the declared one. Of course for the worse. But for some reason you "forget" about it, a sort of selective sclerosis. Engagement?

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Ok, Ukraine, which does not have significant air defense, missed a certain number of Kinzhal missiles. Here no one disputes this fact.

Even Biden had to admit that the Dagger is an ordinary missile, it's just almost impossible to intercept it. Do you know what this means in reality? That 80% of all NATO strategies and combat plans flew into the trash after the first successful combat use of the Dagger. And after that, NATO realized its incompetence and in every possible way avoids the escalation of the conflict, so as not to be drawn into it by its direct participation. And this is a relatively light rocket, in fact, the usual good old Iskander, which was hung under the plane and thus dispersed to hypersonic.

But at the same time, the Ukrainian army, in many other situations, just showed the uselessness of Russian "unparalleled" ones (the funniest narrative from Russian media). The cruiser Moscow, Zmeinny Island, the "vaunted" electronic warfare and other advertised "fakes", especially the welded grilles on the towers of "tanks that have no analogue", "guaranteed to save from being hit by a javelin", all of them showed their effectiveness, which is very different from the declared one. Of course for the worse. But for some reason you "forget" about it, a sort of selective sclerosis. Engagement?

Don't be fooled, the sinking of the Moskva is actually Ukraine's only significant and meaningful tactical success in this confrontation with Russia. Otherwise, Ukraine acts as a whipping boy. I pay tribute to the courage of Ukrainian soldiers, they show great fortitude, despite the absence of even the slightest chance of success. The forces are too unequal, Russia is in a different weight category.

[DrBeer]

Ok, Ukraine, which does not have significant air defense, missed a certain number of Kinzhal missiles. Here no one disputes this fact.

Even Biden had to admit that the Dagger is an ordinary missile, it's just almost impossible to intercept it. Do you know what this means in reality? That 80% of all NATO strategies and combat plans flew into the trash after the first successful combat use of the Dagger. And after that, NATO realized its incompetence and in every possible way avoids the escalation of the conflict, so as not to be drawn into it by its direct participation. And this is a relatively light rocket, in fact, the usual good old Iskander, which was hung under the plane and thus dispersed to hypersonic.

But at the same time, the Ukrainian army, in many other situations, just showed the uselessness of Russian "unparalleled" ones (the funniest narrative from Russian media). The cruiser Moscow, Zmeinny Island, the "vaunted" electronic warfare and other advertised "fakes", especially the welded grilles on the towers of "tanks that have no analogue", "guaranteed to save from being hit by a javelin", all of them showed their effectiveness, which is very different from the declared one. Of course for the worse. But for some reason you "forget" about it, a sort of selective sclerosis. Engagement?

Don't be fooled, the sinking of the Moskva is actually Ukraine's only significant and meaningful tactical success in this confrontation with Russia. Otherwise, Ukraine acts as a whipping boy. I pay tribute to the courage of Ukrainian soldiers, they show great fortitude, despite the absence of even the slightest chance of success. The forces are too unequal, Russia is in a different weight category.

Yes, Dagger, this is essentially an Iskander missile "tied" to the MIG-31. And the whole hypersonic characteristic, it appears due to the summation of the speed of the aircraft, and additional acceleration due to the "fall" from a great height. As for the impossibility of shooting down, I agree that the rather outdated air defense of Ukraine can hardly cope with this task, but I’m not sure that this will be a noticeable problem for NATO, don’t compare the technologies of the 21st century and the dispersed ancient wagon from the mountain, which they pass off as a Bugatti Veyron, just because that she rolls down the mountain faster than being towed by a horse
Oh yes ... I wonder how these missiles will be produced in the absence of Western high-tech components? Missile stocks are not eternal, and production will soon be completely paralyzed. "Import substitution"? Do not make me laugh ! For example, I personally observed the dismantling of the "unparalleled" Orlan-10 UAV (really a very primitive device) and the wreckage of another one, the name of which I do not know. So - if you throw out Western components from there, it will be absolutely not a functional glider for manual launch from the roof of the house

[be.open]

Yes, Dagger, this is essentially an Iskander missile "tied" to the MIG-31. And the whole hypersonic characteristic, it appears due to the summation of the speed of the aircraft, and additional acceleration due to the "fall" from a great height. As for the impossibility of shooting down, I agree that the rather outdated air defense of Ukraine can hardly cope with this task, but I’m not sure that this will be a noticeable problem for NATO, don’t compare the technologies of the 21st century and the dispersed ancient wagon from the mountain, which they pass off as a Bugatti Veyron, just because that she rolls down the mountain faster than being towed by a horse
Oh yes ... I wonder how these missiles will be produced in the absence of Western high-tech components? Missile stocks are not eternal, and production will soon be completely paralyzed. "Import substitution"? Do not make me laugh ! For example, I personally observed the dismantling of the "unparalleled" Orlan-10 UAV (really a very primitive device) and the wreckage of another one, the name of which I do not know. So - if you throw out Western components from there, it will be absolutely not a functional glider for manual launch from the roof of the house

For the Ukrainian missile defense system, even relatively slow Calibers are a problem. And the hypersonic Dagger is a big and so far insoluble problem for NATO missile defense in general and the United States in particular. To effectively intercept missiles, your anti-missile must fly at least twice as fast, and preferably four times. The dagger flies at a cruising speed of approximately Mach 5.5 and the US does not have (and is not expected to in the foreseeable future) missile defense missiles capable of flying twice as fast. Another problem with NATO and the Russian Dagger is that this missile, flying in a hot cloud of plasma, is capable of maneuvering, that is, it does not fly along a ballistic trajectory, which makes it practically invulnerable. And the main problem of the United States with the Russian Dagger is that the Americans are used to fighting, urging an aircraft carrier and then bombing from it. And where are all the American aircraft carriers now? They are 1500+ km from the nearest Russian Dagger, because Dagger (even without a nuclear warhead) is a born carrier killer.

That is why I said above that the first launch of the Dagger ruined most of the US plans. The Pentagon now does not know how to fight, there is no longer an effective military strategy. This is not an empty hatred in the style of "the Taliban with rifles drove the Yankees out of Afghanistan", this is a simple statement of facts and the current state of affairs.

[DrBeer]

Yes, Dagger, this is essentially an Iskander missile "tied" to the MIG-31. And the whole hypersonic characteristic, it appears due to the summation of the speed of the aircraft, and additional acceleration due to the "fall" from a great height. As for the impossibility of shooting down, I agree that the rather outdated air defense of Ukraine can hardly cope with this task, but I’m not sure that this will be a noticeable problem for NATO, don’t compare the technologies of the 21st century and the dispersed ancient wagon from the mountain, which they pass off as a Bugatti Veyron, just because that she rolls down the mountain faster than being towed by a horse
Oh yes ... I wonder how these missiles will be produced in the absence of Western high-tech components? Missile stocks are not eternal, and production will soon be completely paralyzed. "Import substitution"? Do not make me laugh ! For example, I personally observed the dismantling of the "unparalleled" Orlan-10 UAV (really a very primitive device) and the wreckage of another one, the name of which I do not know. So - if you throw out Western components from there, it will be absolutely not a functional glider for manual launch from the roof of the house

For the Ukrainian missile defense system, even relatively slow Calibers are a problem. And the hypersonic Dagger is a big and so far insoluble problem for NATO missile defense in general and the United States in particular. To effectively intercept missiles, your anti-missile must fly at least twice as fast, and preferably four times. The dagger flies at a cruising speed of approximately Mach 5.5 and the US does not have (and is not expected to in the foreseeable future) missile defense missiles capable of flying twice as fast. Another problem with NATO and the Russian Dagger is that this missile, flying in a hot cloud of plasma, is capable of maneuvering, that is, it does not fly along a ballistic trajectory, which makes it practically invulnerable. And the main problem of the United States with the Russian Dagger is that the Americans are used to fighting, urging an aircraft carrier and then bombing from it. And where are all the American aircraft carriers now? They are 1500+ km from the nearest Russian Dagger, because Dagger (even without a nuclear warhead) is a born carrier killer.

That is why I said above that the first launch of the Dagger ruined most of the US plans. The Pentagon now does not know how to fight, there is no longer an effective military strategy. This is not an empty hatred in the style of "the Taliban with rifles drove the Yankees out of Afghanistan", this is a simple statement of facts and the current state of affairs.

Statistics on Caliber used against Ukraine. Of the 100% launched, approximately 10-20% reach the targets. Part of the launched Calibers simply does not reach due to the fact that these are missiles "having no analogue" A noticeable part is shot down by Ukrainian air defense. I also saw it happen in person. At the same time, some of those Caliber who, surprisingly, were able to fly, get anywhere - into residential buildings, wastelands, beach toilets, as it was in Odessa. So Calibers are not a problem, no matter how much you would like the opposite.

Let's omit about aircraft carriers, tell me better - why are NATO ships (of various classes, including cruisers, destroyers) constantly present in the Mediterranean and Black Seas, and are they "not afraid of daggers"? And these are not only American, but also Italian, Greek, ....
I'm very interested to hear the "logical explanation"!

Oh yes - and more. It’s probably not news to you that the “Dagger” needs what to become a hypersonic missile? And here's what - "the missile must be dispersed by the MiG-31 carrier." Those. this "feature" works only with such a launch ("Iskander", which underlies the "Dagger" rocket itself is slow). The question is - what will happen if the enemy simply destroys the same MIG-31s ​​at the parking points, which, in the version adapted for the launch of the "Dagger", are literally one? It's complicated ? Not ! Especially when you consider some facts:
- MIG-31 in general, only 519 units were produced for the entire time.
- A dozen of them are now monuments.
- At present, a little more than 250 MiG-31 aircraft of various modifications remain in service and storage in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
- Combat radius: 720 km (at an altitude not very convenient for NATO air defense, i.e. at the maximum ceiling).
- The car itself is quite outdated (more than 25 years old) and very unreliable - even an official Russian source speaks of almost 45 lost aircraft due to various kinds of malfunctions.


And about the habits of fighting To fly at maximum height and bomb Aleppo in the Syrian way, which had no air defense - this is Russian heroism. But in Ukraine, for some reason, the "heroes" do not risk inflicting massive air strikes deep into the territory of Ukraine. Can you tell me why? I will answer ! Even weak Ukrainian air defense is a PROBLEM for the Russian Air Comic Forces!

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Statistics on Caliber used against Ukraine. Of the 100% launched, approximately 10-20% reach the targets. Part of the launched Calibers simply does not reach due to the fact that these are missiles "having no analogue" A noticeable part is shot down by Ukrainian air defense. I also saw it happen in person. At the same time, some of those Caliber who, surprisingly, were able to fly, get anywhere - into residential buildings, wastelands, beach toilets, as it was in Odessa. So Calibers are not a problem, no matter how much you would like the opposite.

I am glad that Russian Caliber is not a problem for Ukraine. Moreover, Russia ran out of them in early March due to sanctions (according to Ukrainian propaganda).

Let's omit about aircraft carriers, tell me better - why are NATO ships (of various classes, including cruisers, destroyers) constantly present in the Mediterranean and Black Seas, and are they "not afraid of daggers"? And these are not only American, but also Italian, Greek, ....
I'm very interested to hear the "logical explanation"!

If we omit about aircraft carriers, what will be left of the former military power of the United States? This is a very sensitive issue for Pentagon generals.

The "logical explanation" is simple, Russia is not at war with NATO now - this is only why.

Oh yes - and more. It’s probably not news to you that the “Dagger” needs what to become a hypersonic missile? And here's what - "the missile must be dispersed by the MiG-31 carrier." Those. this "feature" works only with such a launch ("Iskander", which underlies the "Dagger" rocket itself is slow). The question is - what will happen if the enemy simply destroys the same MIG-31s ​​at the parking points, which, in the version adapted for the launch of the "Dagger", are literally one? It's complicated ? Not ! Especially when you consider some facts:
- MIG-31 in general, only 519 units were produced for the entire time.
- A dozen of them are now monuments.
- At present, a little more than 250 MiG-31 aircraft of various modifications remain in service and storage in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
- Combat radius: 720 km (at an altitude not very convenient for NATO air defense, i.e. at the maximum ceiling).
- The car itself is quite outdated (more than 25 years old) and very unreliable - even an official Russian source speaks of almost 45 lost aircraft due to various kinds of malfunctions.

Good logic, but it has one significant flaw. In addition to the MiG-31K, Dagger missiles are also capable of carrying TU-22M3 aircraft.

And about the habits of fighting To fly at maximum height and bomb Aleppo in the Syrian way, which had no air defense - this is Russian heroism. But in Ukraine, for some reason, the "heroes" do not risk inflicting massive air strikes deep into the territory of Ukraine. Can you tell me why? I will answer ! Even weak Ukrainian air defense is a PROBLEM for the Russian Air Comic Forces!

Of course I can, in Ukraine, Russia does not carry out massive bombing strikes, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

[Cryptock]

Of course I can, in Ukraine, Russia does not carry out massive bombing strikes, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

Ukraine won the heart of almost the whole EU, and everyone turned against Russia.
Here I want to draw attention that there are so many countries in the other part of the world where the war has been going on since ages and there is no end to it. Those are also humans! Just an other dimensions.

[boltz]

There are rumors on the street that the best investment right now is along foods companies or fish companies that will burst in demands in the next coming months. Do I believe this ? Mostly yes. Why ? Because it's clearly and I can think all of us are feeling the inflation problem and the increasing in price on food , water and fruits...as the basket is no longer the same that was 5 months ago with products in valor of 50$. Now you pay almost 75 for the same basket you took 5 months ago. In the next 3 months , we might even pay double for the same amount...which is already insane as salaries remained the same.

This thread actually makes sense about food shortage and all of that so let's hope that everything will go back to normal and we won't see countries and people literally fighting over food rations ...no one wants to see that.

[amishmanish]

Future wars will be food wars and water wars this is just a start. There is a need to recognize and work on sustainable development and there is a need that we start growing our food on our terraces and indoors as well. To feed the increasing population of the world we need to innovate and make world a better place.

[DrBeer]

Statistics on Caliber used against Ukraine. Of the 100% launched, approximately 10-20% reach the targets. Part of the launched Calibers simply does not reach due to the fact that these are missiles "having no analogue" A noticeable part is shot down by Ukrainian air defense. I also saw it happen in person. At the same time, some of those Caliber who, surprisingly, were able to fly, get anywhere - into residential buildings, wastelands, beach toilets, as it was in Odessa. So Calibers are not a problem, no matter how much you would like the opposite.

I am glad that Russian Caliber is not a problem for Ukraine. Moreover, Russia ran out of them in early March due to sanctions (according to Ukrainian propaganda).

Let's omit about aircraft carriers, tell me better - why are NATO ships (of various classes, including cruisers, destroyers) constantly present in the Mediterranean and Black Seas, and are they "not afraid of daggers"? And these are not only American, but also Italian, Greek, ....
I'm very interested to hear the "logical explanation"!

If we omit about aircraft carriers, what will be left of the former military power of the United States? This is a very sensitive issue for Pentagon generals.

The "logical explanation" is simple, Russia is not at war with NATO now - this is only why.

Oh yes - and more. It’s probably not news to you that the “Dagger” needs what to become a hypersonic missile? And here's what - "the missile must be dispersed by the MiG-31 carrier." Those. this "feature" works only with such a launch ("Iskander", which underlies the "Dagger" rocket itself is slow). The question is - what will happen if the enemy simply destroys the same MIG-31s ​​at the parking points, which, in the version adapted for the launch of the "Dagger", are literally one? It's complicated ? Not ! Especially when you consider some facts:
- MIG-31 in general, only 519 units were produced for the entire time.
- A dozen of them are now monuments.
- At present, a little more than 250 MiG-31 aircraft of various modifications remain in service and storage in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
- Combat radius: 720 km (at an altitude not very convenient for NATO air defense, i.e. at the maximum ceiling).
- The car itself is quite outdated (more than 25 years old) and very unreliable - even an official Russian source speaks of almost 45 lost aircraft due to various kinds of malfunctions.

Good logic, but it has one significant flaw. In addition to the MiG-31K, Dagger missiles are also capable of carrying TU-22M3 aircraft.

And about the habits of fighting To fly at maximum height and bomb Aleppo in the Syrian way, which had no air defense - this is Russian heroism. But in Ukraine, for some reason, the "heroes" do not risk inflicting massive air strikes deep into the territory of Ukraine. Can you tell me why? I will answer ! Even weak Ukrainian air defense is a PROBLEM for the Russian Air Comic Forces!

Of course I can, in Ukraine, Russia does not carry out massive bombing strikes, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

1. Gauges are a problem, some of them still destroy the peaceful people of Ukraine, bringing death and devastation. But, and this is also Russia will answer
2. "If we omit about aircraft carriers, what will remain of the former military power of the United States? This is a very sensitive issue for the Pentagon generals." - you claimed that NATO is afraid to bring its ships closer to 1500 km I gave you an example of how many NATO ships are in the Black Sea, which are located a hundred miles from airfields with MIG-31 with Caliber. You AGAIN pretended not to understand the question? Don't do that - very conspicuous!
3. The "logical explanation" is simple, Russia is not at war with NATO now - that's the only reason. - YES And for some reason, the biomass of Russia is told that you are not killing civilians in Ukraine, but just ... you are at war with NATO You decide, or you will receive an article for "For insulting the feelings of those who believe in the nonsense of Putin and his company"
4. "Of course I can, Russia does not launch massive bombing strikes on Ukraine, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol." - at the beginning of the war they flew and bombed. So far, thanks to our friends, portable air defense systems have not appeared. Plus, the Ukrainian Air Force was activated (according to your propaganda, completely destroyed 5 times already ). It's just that Russia, as always, got scared to fight against those who can resist, this is a historical fact. Or can you name at least 1 war where Russia fought against an enemy of comparable strength? Surprise with an example!

[Ozero]

Of course I can, in Ukraine, Russia does not carry out massive bombing strikes, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

Ukraine won the heart of almost the whole EU, and everyone turned against Russia.
Here I want to draw attention that there are so many countries in the other part of the world where the war has been going on since ages and there is no end to it. Those are also humans! Just an other dimensions.

The war in Ukraine is very different from many wars that still periodically take place in different countries.
Firstly, this is the center of Europe, and the Russian attack was under a far-fetched pretext to seize the territory of a large neighboring state, genocide its population and forcibly annex its territory.
Secondly, the large scale of the war due to the large territory and large population of Ukraine, which is home to about 40 million people. Ukraine now has a front of 2,450 kilometers, of which 1,150 kilometers are active battles. Russia has already lost about 100,000 people killed and wounded, 1,434 tanks, 3,503 armored vehicles, 213 aircraft, 179 helicopters, 721 artillery systems, 229 multiple launch rocket systems, 97 air defense systems, 2,473 vehicles, 588 UAVs and other military equipment. Russia is very bogged down in this war and is already gathering people and obsolete military equipment from the most remote parts of its vast territory. But anyway, it continues to threaten all its new neighbors, namely Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which are members of NATO. Therefore, the Third World War is quite possible.

[pooya87]

The war in Ukraine is very different from many wars that still periodically take place in different countries.

From the aspect of
- War being atrocious
- Genocide
- An illegal invasion
- Innocent people dying
War in Ukraine is exactly the same as any other war that has happened or is happening elsewhere in the world like invasion of Iraq (which Ukraine also helped), Afghanistan (which Ukraine helped again!), Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Palestine, ...

From the aspect of Western media coverage you are right, it is a completely different war since the censored media is giving second by second coverage with each event put under a magnifying glass.

Firstly, this is the center of Europe,

It is more like the farthest place in Eastern Europe not center!

Therefore, the Third World War is quite possible.

A world war in the sense that the West is fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian is already going on but more than that is highly unlikely.

[be.open]

Of course I can, in Ukraine, Russia does not carry out massive bombing strikes, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

Ukraine won the heart of almost the whole EU, and everyone turned against Russia.
Here I want to draw attention that there are so many countries in the other part of the world where the war has been going on since ages and there is no end to it. Those are also humans! Just an other dimensions.

The war in Ukraine is very different from many wars that still periodically take place in different countries.
Firstly, this is the center of Europe, and the Russian attack was under a far-fetched pretext to seize the territory of a large neighboring state, genocide its population and forcibly annex its territory.
Secondly, the large scale of the war due to the large territory and large population of Ukraine, which is home to about 40 million people. Ukraine now has a front of 2,450 kilometers, of which 1,150 kilometers are active battles. Russia has already lost about 100,000 people killed and wounded, 1,434 tanks, 3,503 armored vehicles, 213 aircraft, 179 helicopters, 721 artillery systems, 229 multiple launch rocket systems, 97 air defense systems, 2,473 vehicles, 588 UAVs and other military equipment. Russia is very bogged down in this war and is already gathering people and obsolete military equipment from the most remote parts of its vast territory. But anyway, it continues to threaten all its new neighbors, namely Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which are members of NATO. Therefore, the Third World War is quite possible.

From my small town in the Urals, a special forces platoon has already left two times on a combat mission to Ukraine and returned after a planned rotation, loss of personnel 0%. You better watch your losses, terrifying figures are leaking from various sources that the irretrievable losses of Ukraine in killed and missing already exceed 200,000 soldiers.

2. "If we omit about aircraft carriers, what will remain of the former military power of the United States? This is a very sensitive issue for the Pentagon generals." - you claimed that NATO is afraid to bring its ships closer to 1500 km I gave you an example of how many NATO ships are in the Black Sea, which are located a hundred miles from airfields with MIG-31 with Caliber. You AGAIN pretended not to understand the question? Don't do that - very conspicuous!

Zero. There are no NATO warships in the Black Sea, with the exception of Turkish ones. Turkey strictly observes the Montreux Convention. I see that you do not understand the subject at all, so I will not analyze your propaganda nonsense in detail, especially since the economy branch is not the right place for this.

[DrBeer]

Of course I can, in Ukraine, Russia does not carry out massive bombing strikes, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

Ukraine won the heart of almost the whole EU, and everyone turned against Russia.
Here I want to draw attention that there are so many countries in the other part of the world where the war has been going on since ages and there is no end to it. Those are also humans! Just an other dimensions.

The war in Ukraine is very different from many wars that still periodically take place in different countries.
Firstly, this is the center of Europe, and the Russian attack was under a far-fetched pretext to seize the territory of a large neighboring state, genocide its population and forcibly annex its territory.
Secondly, the large scale of the war due to the large territory and large population of Ukraine, which is home to about 40 million people. Ukraine now has a front of 2,450 kilometers, of which 1,150 kilometers are active battles. Russia has already lost about 100,000 people killed and wounded, 1,434 tanks, 3,503 armored vehicles, 213 aircraft, 179 helicopters, 721 artillery systems, 229 multiple launch rocket systems, 97 air defense systems, 2,473 vehicles, 588 UAVs and other military equipment. Russia is very bogged down in this war and is already gathering people and obsolete military equipment from the most remote parts of its vast territory. But anyway, it continues to threaten all its new neighbors, namely Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which are members of NATO. Therefore, the Third World War is quite possible.

From my small town in the Urals, a special forces platoon has already left two times on a combat mission to Ukraine and returned after a planned rotation, loss of personnel 0%. You better watch your losses, terrifying figures are leaking from various sources that the irretrievable losses of Ukraine in killed and missing already exceed 200,000 soldiers.

2. "If we omit about aircraft carriers, what will remain of the former military power of the United States? This is a very sensitive issue for the Pentagon generals." - you claimed that NATO is afraid to bring its ships closer to 1500 km I gave you an example of how many NATO ships are in the Black Sea, which are located a hundred miles from airfields with MIG-31 with Caliber. You AGAIN pretended not to understand the question? Don't do that - very conspicuous!

Zero. There are no NATO warships in the Black Sea, with the exception of Turkish ones. Turkey strictly observes the Montreux Convention. I see that you do not understand the subject at all, so I will not analyze your propaganda nonsense in detail, especially since the economy branch is not the right place for this.

I already said - I love your humor ))) Although it smacks of propaganda, it's very funny, honestly! Keep going

[Pomogator]

Future wars will be food wars and water wars this is just a start. There is a need to recognize and work on sustainable development and there is a need that we start growing our food on our terraces and indoors as well. To feed the increasing population of the world we need to innovate and make world a better place.

I agree with you that you need to try to provide yourself with a minimum supply of food. Many do not have extra time for this activity, so it is easier for them to buy food. In the near future, many will reconsider their views on life in the direction of their small farm.

[Sithara007]

Future wars will be food wars and water wars this is just a start. There is a need to recognize and work on sustainable development and there is a need that we start growing our food on our terraces and indoors as well. To feed the increasing population of the world we need to innovate and make world a better place.

I agree with you that you need to try to provide yourself with a minimum supply of food. Many do not have extra time for this activity, so it is easier for them to buy food. In the near future, many will reconsider their views on life in the direction of their small farm.

Farming is a very effort intensive activity, and most of us don't have enough spare time for this. If you are working 6-7 hours per day, 5 days per week, then you may have some time to do terrace farming or organic farming. But in case you are in a job that requires working for 10-12 hours a day, 6 days per week, finding spare time for this activity is not very practical. I like the US model, where just around 1% to 2% of the total population is comprised of farmers. And the produce enough food materials not just for internal consumption, but for export to other countries as well. On a pro-rata basis, large-scale farming is much more productive when compared to small-scale.

[kaseygriffin]

Just as the most recent development I have seen in life is happening, which is where I see the cost of natural goods or foodstuffs increasing day by day, many people are still unable to generate an income to satisfy. current change. Some sources I find it amusing about what happened after the war between Russia and Ukraine. When the sanctions were in place, the countries that tried to isolate Russia were doing themselves more harm than good. while Russia, India, and China are the more unscrupulous beneficiaries. They embargo fuel and oil or gas from Russia but buy it through another form from India, and China is benefiting from the shipping deals, so the show from the top when deciding to determine whether economic sanctions bring good value or only cause inflation to increase and lead only to more suffering. If the bigotry situation from some parties is not resolved satisfactorily, food will be a major battleground.

[Kimonoe]

Future wars will be food wars and water wars this is just a start. There is a need to recognize and work on sustainable development and there is a need that we start growing our food on our terraces and indoors as well. To feed the increasing population of the world we need to innovate and make world a better place.

I agree with you that you need to try to provide yourself with a minimum supply of food. Many do not have extra time for this activity, so it is easier for them to buy food. In the near future, many will reconsider their views on life in the direction of their small farm.

Food security is a basic need that must be met to support human survival. So many countries are promoting food self-sufficiency to meet their own food needs. the development of agricultural technology is currently being developed to get more effective and efficient results, so as to get abundant results. especially in urban areas that lack land that can be used to produce agricultural products

[bakasabo]

Future wars will be food wars and water wars this is just a start. There is a need to recognize and work on sustainable development and there is a need that we start growing our food on our terraces and indoors as well. To feed the increasing population of the world we need to innovate and make world a better place.

I agree with you that you need to try to provide yourself with a minimum supply of food. Many do not have extra time for this activity, so it is easier for them to buy food. In the near future, many will reconsider their views on life in the direction of their small farm.

Not just easy, but still it is profitable for individual to buy food, then do farming. How long it takes to grow a tomato? Months. Add watering cost. In addition there are no guarantee that after months of routine watering you will have a tomato. And you can always (so far) go to a shop and buy a tomato. Instead of spending 10min 30 days in a row garden beds, you can spend those 5 hours doing freelance job and in the end go buy several kilograms of tomatoes and you will be left with some spare money.

[DrBeer]

Future wars will be food wars and water wars this is just a start. There is a need to recognize and work on sustainable development and there is a need that we start growing our food on our terraces and indoors as well. To feed the increasing population of the world we need to innovate and make world a better place.

I agree with you that you need to try to provide yourself with a minimum supply of food. Many do not have extra time for this activity, so it is easier for them to buy food. In the near future, many will reconsider their views on life in the direction of their small farm.

Small farm? My relatives are engaged in agriculture. Their land, their fields, their cows and other living creatures. I can tell you - I probably could not stand it! Getting up at 5 in the morning, going to bed at 12 at night, and working hard all day - few people agree to this. I think that you are talking about the inhabitants of cities. All that urban residents can afford is a small "garden" on the balcony or roof of the house, where in the summer they will grow the simplest and most unpretentious vegetables, and in absolutely small volumes. But you won't grow bread, you won't raise cows and you won't get milk to make cottage cheese, kefir, butter, you won't grow olives or sunflowers and you won't get their bottom butter for salad or cooking other dishes. This direction will not give "salvation". Well, or the residents of the city need to migrate to the villages, and there they are engaged in self-sufficiency by leading a farm

[Sithara007]

Small farm? My relatives are engaged in agriculture. Their land, their fields, their cows and other living creatures. I can tell you - I probably could not stand it! Getting up at 5 in the morning, going to bed at 12 at night, and working hard all day - few people agree to this. I think that you are talking about the inhabitants of cities. All that urban residents can afford is a small "garden" on the balcony or roof of the house, where in the summer they will grow the simplest and most unpretentious vegetables, and in absolutely small volumes. But you won't grow bread, you won't raise cows and you won't get milk to make cottage cheese, kefir, butter, you won't grow olives or sunflowers and you won't get their bottom butter for salad or cooking other dishes. This direction will not give "salvation". Well, or the residents of the city need to migrate to the villages, and there they are engaged in self-sufficiency by leading a farm

I can agree to this. Cows need to be milked quite early, like 5am or 5:30am. Unless the farm is quite large, that is stretching for thousands of hectares, there is no point in employing additional labor. All the labor requirements need to be met within the family of the farmer. And small scale farming can be one of the riskiest career options, because of the volatility in prices. For example, wheat is trading at $500 per tonne as of now. A few years ago, it was trading at $150 to $200 per tonne. The same can be said about several other agricultural commodities.

[DrBeer]

Just as the most recent development I have seen in life is happening, which is where I see the cost of natural goods or foodstuffs increasing day by day, many people are still unable to generate an income to satisfy. current change. Some sources I find it amusing about what happened after the war between Russia and Ukraine. When the sanctions were in place, the countries that tried to isolate Russia were doing themselves more harm than good. while Russia, India, and China are the more unscrupulous beneficiaries. They embargo fuel and oil or gas from Russia but buy it through another form from India, and China is benefiting from the shipping deals, so the show from the top when deciding to determine whether economic sanctions bring good value or only cause inflation to increase and lead only to more suffering. If the bigotry situation from some parties is not resolved satisfactorily, food will be a major battleground.

Sanctions have no purpose - to give a positive effect to the country that introduces them. Sanctions are a deterrent to the other side. And very often - sanctions are a "double-edged sword", the second end of sanctions always hits the participants in the implementation of sanctions. But it is necessary to stop the new brown plague, in the form of rashism! Even such a not very safe mechanism as sanctions. Otherwise, we will get the second year of 1939, and already hundreds of millions have been killed, and even more have lost everything, are starving, and no longer have any future. Look at this problem a little more globally ...

[Cling18]

Small farm? My relatives are engaged in agriculture. Their land, their fields, their cows and other living creatures. I can tell you - I probably could not stand it! Getting up at 5 in the morning, going to bed at 12 at night, and working hard all day - few people agree to this. I think that you are talking about the inhabitants of cities. All that urban residents can afford is a small "garden" on the balcony or roof of the house, where in the summer they will grow the simplest and most unpretentious vegetables, and in absolutely small volumes. But you won't grow bread, you won't raise cows and you won't get milk to make cottage cheese, kefir, butter, you won't grow olives or sunflowers and you won't get their bottom butter for salad or cooking other dishes. This direction will not give "salvation". Well, or the residents of the city need to migrate to the villages, and there they are engaged in self-sufficiency by leading a farm

I can agree to this. Cows need to be milked quite early, like 5am or 5:30am. Unless the farm is quite large, that is stretching for thousands of hectares, there is no point in employing additional labor. All the labor requirements need to be met within the family of the farmer. And small-scale farming can be one of the riskiest career options, because of the volatility in prices. For example, wheat is trading at $500 per tonne as of now. A few years ago, it was trading at $150 to $200 per tonne. The same can be said about several other agricultural commodities.

Farm life is restless and too tiring. You won't have enough rest unless you get sick due to overfatigue. You have to handle the plants and take care of the farm animals which will take you long hours of work. Some people might say that it's an easy job but it's actually one of the hardest jobs I know yet they receive low payments for their labor. They still can't live the life they want because the government isn't fair when it comes to paying them.

[bustabitsboy]

7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

What?I don't know about France telling Ukraine to give up defending.This is probably fake news.
The food prices around the globe will definitely increase a lot,but I think that you are exaggerating a little bit.
Ukraine actually exports a part of it's own wheat production.The wheat is being transported to the Romanian port of Konstanza,where it will be transported by sea to the west.Perhaps a part of the Ukrainian wheat has been stolen by the Russians,but they have to sell it to countries in the Middle East(or China and India).Russia also needs more income from exporting goods,so the Russians have to sell their own wheat production.
I don't expect global starvation, but food will become more and more expensive for sure.

Funny situation is obtained in European countries with the provision of assistance to Ukraine. Europe helps Ukraine get rid of wheat. And what will the Ukrainians themselves eat if most of their fields are not sown this year and there is no harvest? This situation will create hunger, which can cause them serious problems. Ukraine has income from pumping Russian gas through its territory. And it still brings her income. Perhaps this country will have some money to buy food for its people thanks to Russia.

[uneng]

I think food will be an issue for Europe only in case their enemies turn their lands infertile through bombing or chemical attacks and by invading allied countries which are weak militarily, but strong basic goods producers and exporters. Otherwise, automated machines and equipments, plus modern farming techniques can help the continent to be sustainable and independent.

About wheat in my country, specifically, it corresponds to one of the most imported goods, which costs about 2$ billion dollars for the country annually, representing about 44% of the total wheat supply. The other 56% are produced in the local territory. Indeed, it means a lot of dependency on imported wheat and a major crisis would be terrifying for the common citizens acquire this good, which I consider essential and indispensable in our daily meals.

[DrBeer]

Small farm? My relatives are engaged in agriculture. Their land, their fields, their cows and other living creatures. I can tell you - I probably could not stand it! Getting up at 5 in the morning, going to bed at 12 at night, and working hard all day - few people agree to this. I think that you are talking about the inhabitants of cities. All that urban residents can afford is a small "garden" on the balcony or roof of the house, where in the summer they will grow the simplest and most unpretentious vegetables, and in absolutely small volumes. But you won't grow bread, you won't raise cows and you won't get milk to make cottage cheese, kefir, butter, you won't grow olives or sunflowers and you won't get their bottom butter for salad or cooking other dishes. This direction will not give "salvation". Well, or the residents of the city need to migrate to the villages, and there they are engaged in self-sufficiency by leading a farm

I can agree to this. Cows need to be milked quite early, like 5am or 5:30am. Unless the farm is quite large, that is stretching for thousands of hectares, there is no point in employing additional labor. All the labor requirements need to be met within the family of the farmer. And small scale farming can be one of the riskiest career options, because of the volatility in prices. For example, wheat is trading at $500 per tonne as of now. A few years ago, it was trading at $150 to $200 per tonne. The same can be said about several other agricultural commodities.

Therefore, our choice is a couple of trays on the roof, with onions, spinach, lettuce and dill Minimum investment, extremely simple, and fresh herbs are always at hand.

And agriculture has always been very difficult. Small farm - everyone is busy from early morning until night. A large agricultural complex - huge investments are needed - machinery, seed, fertilizers, personnel ....

In a word - agriculture or farming becomes a savior only if there are no other options, you are ready with the whole family from dawn until late at night to work, work and work again ...

[Ozero]

7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

What?I don't know about France telling Ukraine to give up defending.This is probably fake news.
The food prices around the globe will definitely increase a lot,but I think that you are exaggerating a little bit.
Ukraine actually exports a part of it's own wheat production.The wheat is being transported to the Romanian port of Konstanza,where it will be transported by sea to the west.Perhaps a part of the Ukrainian wheat has been stolen by the Russians,but they have to sell it to countries in the Middle East(or China and India).Russia also needs more income from exporting goods,so the Russians have to sell their own wheat production.
I don't expect global starvation, but food will become more and more expensive for sure.

Funny situation is obtained in European countries with the provision of assistance to Ukraine. Europe helps Ukraine get rid of wheat. And what will the Ukrainians themselves eat if most of their fields are not sown this year and there is no harvest? This situation will create hunger, which can cause them serious problems. Ukraine has income from pumping Russian gas through its territory. And it still brings her income. Perhaps this country will have some money to buy food for its people thanks to Russia.

In Ukraine, about 90 percent of agricultural land has been sown this year compared to the previous year. The weather this year is normal, there will be a harvest in Ukraine. In the seaports of Ukraine, the Black Sea Fleet of Russia is now blocked about 22 million tons of grain, which Ukraine cannot supply to the world market. In addition, 39 ships belonging to 14 different states are also blocked by Russia in the ports of Ukraine. They cannot go to sea, because Russia has already fired on 9 ships of various states, one of them sank. Thus, Russia is now behaving in the Black Sea like a pirate who hunts robbery. At the same time, it is creating tensions with food and even the threat of starvation in some countries, trying to get some sanctions lifted from itself. This will not work in Russia.

Ukraine is now striving to completely break any ties with Russia, including trade ones. From July 1, Ukraine plans to introduce a visa regime with Russia. Now Ukraine, on the contrary, would be very happy to close the gas pipelines that transport gas from Russia to Europe so that Europe does not finance Russian aggression. This may very well be the case in the near future.

[bitgov]

Ukraine is now striving to completely break any ties with Russia, including trade ones. From July 1, Ukraine plans to introduce a visa regime with Russia. Now Ukraine, on the contrary, would be very happy to close the gas pipelines that transport gas from Russia to Europe so that Europe does not finance Russian aggression. This may very well be the case in the near future.

I believe Ukraine is already in so much trouble and doing so - they will end up in more crisis.
There is no alternative of oil and gas and that in so short time period - EU has also created so much trouble for themselves and for the other world by jumping in this whirlpool of trouble.

[Freeesta]

7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

What?I don't know about France telling Ukraine to give up defending.This is probably fake news.
The food prices around the globe will definitely increase a lot,but I think that you are exaggerating a little bit.
Ukraine actually exports a part of it's own wheat production.The wheat is being transported to the Romanian port of Konstanza,where it will be transported by sea to the west.Perhaps a part of the Ukrainian wheat has been stolen by the Russians,but they have to sell it to countries in the Middle East(or China and India).Russia also needs more income from exporting goods,so the Russians have to sell their own wheat production.
I don't expect global starvation, but food will become more and more expensive for sure.

Funny situation is obtained in European countries with the provision of assistance to Ukraine. Europe helps Ukraine get rid of wheat. And what will the Ukrainians themselves eat if most of their fields are not sown this year and there is no harvest? This situation will create hunger, which can cause them serious problems. Ukraine has income from pumping Russian gas through its territory. And it still brings her income. Perhaps this country will have some money to buy food for its people thanks to Russia.

In Ukraine, about 90 percent of agricultural land has been sown this year compared to the previous year. The weather this year is normal, there will be a harvest in Ukraine. In the seaports of Ukraine, the Black Sea Fleet of Russia is now blocked about 22 million tons of grain, which Ukraine cannot supply to the world market. In addition, 39 ships belonging to 14 different states are also blocked by Russia in the ports of Ukraine. They cannot go to sea, because Russia has already fired on 9 ships of various states, one of them sank. Thus, Russia is now behaving in the Black Sea like a pirate who hunts robbery. At the same time, it is creating tensions with food and even the threat of starvation in some countries, trying to get some sanctions lifted from itself. This will not work in Russia.

Ukraine is now striving to completely break any ties with Russia, including trade ones. From July 1, Ukraine plans to introduce a visa regime with Russia. Now Ukraine, on the contrary, would be very happy to close the gas pipelines that transport gas from Russia to Europe so that Europe does not finance Russian aggression. This may very well be the case in the near future.

I would not hope for these crops. Perhaps by the end of the summer only ashes will remain of them. There is a war on the territory of this country and there is no guarantee that the crop will be able to save. It is surprising that Ukraine sends its grain to other countries. It's too complicated for me to understand

[mm2543363580]

I would not hope for these crops. Perhaps by the end of the summer only ashes will remain of them. There is a war on the territory of this country and there is no guarantee that the crop will be able to save. It is surprising that Ukraine sends its grain to other countries. It's too complicated for me to understand

Everything will be fine. There will be no crisis. Hardly it happens that food crisis happen. Even of does. There are always help available and also there are already so much alternative available that people would make sure things won't get out of control.

[bakasabo]

Ukraine is now striving to completely break any ties with Russia, including trade ones. From July 1, Ukraine plans to introduce a visa regime with Russia. Now Ukraine, on the contrary, would be very happy to close the gas pipelines that transport gas from Russia to Europe so that Europe does not finance Russian aggression. This may very well be the case in the near future.

I think Europe wont be happy if Ukraine closes gas pipelines or will try to blackmail Europe with that. Imagine you are helping someone and he say "do more help or you will regret not doing it".

If we roll back to WWII, the territory of Ukraine was also occupied. Were there wheat war during that time, or Ukraine has become one of major wheat exporters only in recent decades? This is topic is already month old and I wonder of analytics has already confirmed or denied the theory of wheat war?

[sovie]

Ukraine is now striving to completely break any ties with Russia, including trade ones. From July 1, Ukraine plans to introduce a visa regime with Russia. Now Ukraine, on the contrary, would be very happy to close the gas pipelines that transport gas from Russia to Europe so that Europe does not finance Russian aggression. This may very well be the case in the near future.

I think Europe wont be happy if Ukraine closes gas pipelines or will try to blackmail Europe with that. Imagine you are helping someone and he say "do more help or you will regret not doing it".

If we roll back to WWII, the territory of Ukraine was also occupied. Were there wheat war during that time, or Ukraine has become one of major wheat exporters only in recent decades? This is topic is already month old and I wonder of analytics has already confirmed or denied the theory of wheat war?

In our culture there is a famous saying - if you do good to someone - save yourself from the person too. He might be dangerous too.
Every country is looking for their benefits from the war. It would be no surprise if they blackmail EU for the gas pipeline. I am sure this is going to happen.

[bustabitsboy]

Of course I can, in Ukraine, Russia does not carry out massive bombing strikes, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

Ukraine won the heart of almost the whole EU, and everyone turned against Russia.
Here I want to draw attention that there are so many countries in the other part of the world where the war has been going on since ages and there is no end to it. Those are also humans! Just an other dimensions.

The war in Ukraine is very different from many wars that still periodically take place in different countries.
Firstly, this is the center of Europe, and the Russian attack was under a far-fetched pretext to seize the territory of a large neighboring state, genocide its population and forcibly annex its territory.
Secondly, the large scale of the war due to the large territory and large population of Ukraine, which is home to about 40 million people. Ukraine now has a front of 2,450 kilometers, of which 1,150 kilometers are active battles. Russia has already lost about 100,000 people killed and wounded, 1,434 tanks, 3,503 armored vehicles, 213 aircraft, 179 helicopters, 721 artillery systems, 229 multiple launch rocket systems, 97 air defense systems, 2,473 vehicles, 588 UAVs and other military equipment. Russia is very bogged down in this war and is already gathering people and obsolete military equipment from the most remote parts of its vast territory. But anyway, it continues to threaten all its new neighbors, namely Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which are members of NATO. Therefore, the Third World War is quite possible.

I don't think there is a possible war between Russia and NATO in the near future. Most of the weapons were sent to Ukraine and became unusable or passed into the hands of the Russian army. Every day soldiers of the Ukrainian army throwing away  weapon and leave the battlefield. Army remained only in France, who will wage war from NATO?

[Inspiron14]

Ukraine is now striving to completely break any ties with Russia, including trade ones. From July 1, Ukraine plans to introduce a visa regime with Russia. Now Ukraine, on the contrary, would be very happy to close the gas pipelines that transport gas from Russia to Europe so that Europe does not finance Russian aggression. This may very well be the case in the near future.

I think Europe wont be happy if Ukraine closes gas pipelines or will try to blackmail Europe with that. Imagine you are helping someone and he say "do more help or you will regret not doing it".

If we roll back to WWII, the territory of Ukraine was also occupied. Were there wheat war during that time, or Ukraine has become one of major wheat exporters only in recent decades? This is topic is already month old and I wonder of analytics has already confirmed or denied the theory of wheat war?

In our culture there is a famous saying - if you do good to someone - save yourself from the person too. He might be dangerous too.
Every country is looking for their benefits from the war. It would be no surprise if they blackmail EU for the gas pipeline. I am sure this is going to happen.

Yes, basically it has become an open secret because when war will always have something to do with politics,
each country involved certainly has a goal and seeks to benefit from it as well.
so no need to be surprised because that's the truth

[sovie]

Yes, basically it has become an open secret because when war will always have something to do with politics,
each country involved certainly has a goal and seeks to benefit from it as well.
so no need to be surprised because that's the truth

On the other hand I believe the Russia Ukraine war has almost drag everyone in it. While the things would have possible solution through dialogues. They took the other channel and destroyed the world. The after affect of COVID are still there and now this war and this prediction of wheat war. God knows how the things will be resolved.

[goldkingcoiner]

Most of the weapons were sent to Ukraine and became unusable or passed into the hands of the Russian army.

Where did you hear that load of bullcrap? That is not even close to remotely true. Why would the weapons that were sent to Ukraine become unusable? You would think that if the Russians had the weapons then all the fighting would stop with Ukraine's surrender due to not being able to fight back?

Ukraine might not have a chance of winning the war without huge losses but the maps don't lie. Ukraine has become even more tough with all the weapon deliveries. So obviously the weapons are being used by Ukraine, quite successfully.

You should not spread half-baked rumors. They can do great harm.

[pooya87]

This is topic is already month old and I wonder of analytics has already confirmed or denied the theory of wheat war?

Wheat War is the worse case scenario that we are still heading towards. Right now the food prices are constantly increasing in Europe and different members of EU are reporting inflation rates that are highest in the past 4 decades!
Poverty is increasing too, for example 1.5 million families reached absolute poverty and became homeless in UK alone over the past months. This also increases social unrest which can be seen in the increased number of protests around EU.

If another economic shock is given to EU, like if China decided to arbitrarily shut down their ports again or oil prices soared again due to another conflict elsewhere in an oil rich region, things could escalate a lot faster and we see a big crisis in EU.

[bitgov]

This is topic is already month old and I wonder of analytics has already confirmed or denied the theory of wheat war?

Wheat War is the worse case scenario that we are still heading towards. Right now the food prices are constantly increasing in Europe and different members of EU are reporting inflation rates that are highest in the past 4 decades!
Poverty is increasing too, for example 1.5 million families reached absolute poverty and became homeless in UK alone over the past months. This also increases social unrest which can be seen in the increased number of protests around EU.

If another economic shock is given to EU, like if China decided to arbitrarily shut down their ports again or oil prices soared again due to another conflict elsewhere in an oil rich region, things could escalate a lot faster and we see a big crisis in EU.

We now live in the time where the food crisis is not possible. And my country is famous in the world for the charity and reaching to the people incase there is any support needed. I belong to the same community. I hope and pray this never happens. Amee.

[DrBeer]

Ukraine is now striving to completely break any ties with Russia, including trade ones. From July 1, Ukraine plans to introduce a visa regime with Russia. Now Ukraine, on the contrary, would be very happy to close the gas pipelines that transport gas from Russia to Europe so that Europe does not finance Russian aggression. This may very well be the case in the near future.

I think Europe wont be happy if Ukraine closes gas pipelines or will try to blackmail Europe with that. Imagine you are helping someone and he say "do more help or you will regret not doing it".

If we roll back to WWII, the territory of Ukraine was also occupied. Were there wheat war during that time, or Ukraine has become one of major wheat exporters only in recent decades? This is topic is already month old and I wonder of analytics has already confirmed or denied the theory of wheat war?

At the moment, only Russia, as an aggressor country and a terrorist country, makes such steps and statements. Do not confuse the righteous with the sinful!
Russia has already blocked gas supplies to the EU, Russia has already unilaterally changed the terms of gas supplies, Russia has already captured part of a foreign state, and in addition to looting by its soldiers, it is engaged in state-level looting. From the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine, Russia has already stolen and taken out - grain, metal, agricultural equipment ... And its soldiers also steal toilet bowls - this is a wonder for the inhabitants of Russia About the theft of used underwear - I am silent, this is the norm for Russians - they even our cast-offs are given to their wives

[STT]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

[bitgov]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

I don't believe this will happen anytime sooner. Most countries have enough wheat supplies. Also I have seen in news - Putin announced he has enough wheat to supply to the countries who would be needing it.
Russia is unstoppable.

[cabron]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

I don't believe this will happen anytime sooner. Most countries have enough wheat supplies. Also I have seen in news - Putin announced he has enough wheat to supply to the countries who would be needing it.
Russia is unstoppable.

Russia can be stopped. Its not like its just the people in EU and US can think better. China doesn't create war but where are they now, they are the ones where bank go for bailout and US takes loan from them to give to Ukraine.

Putin is also a reasonable man, things just just need a mutual relationship.
As long as Zelensky is open to negotiate. He only have to listen to himself and not to EU and the West that pushes them get into this war. They don't even profit from this. Zelensky just have to use the alternative route before its too late. He doesn't have to wait when all are hungry and cold that his private soldiers will decide to shoot him to end this war.

[bitgov]

Putin is also a reasonable man, things just just need a mutual relationship.
As long as Zelensky is open to negotiate. He only have to listen to himself and not to EU and the West that pushes them get into this war. They don't even profit from this. Zelensky just have to use the alternative route before its too late. He doesn't have to wait when all are hungry and cold that his private soldiers will decide to shoot him to end this war.

I live in a place which is an agricultural land. But due to inflation the farmers are very very upset on what is going on. The prices of fertilizers and urea are at the fire.
My brother who is farmer too was crying the other - how is he going to take care of the next crops. I don't know where is the world heading too.

[pooya87]

I live in a place which is an agricultural land. But due to inflation the farmers are very very upset on what is going on. The prices of fertilizers and urea are at the fire.
My brother who is farmer too was crying the other - how is he going to take care of the next crops. I don't know where is the world heading too.

I wish you also included where you live so that we could have a better understanding of how things are going in different countries.

In any case I've seen this issue mainly in countries that are plagued with a disease called capitalism. The "capitalist" would for example buy the farm and farmer and their products in long term contracts. There are cases where the farmers have to work their assess off for 10 years and hand over their products to the "salve master" at the same fixed price for 10 years regardless of inflation. That crushes the farmer.
The government can not get involved in it either because if they did the whole system falls apart. But this threatens food security.

In other places without capitalism (or little of it) things are different. The government can get involved and help guarantee food security, not to mention that farmers are mostly also owners of their own land and products.
For example in Iran farmers receive a lot of help at times like this, for example they could receive fertilizers at very cheap prices so that their final product doesn't need to go up in price. Sometimes they have a guarantee of purchase at a high price (even higher than market price). This is why food prices (like bread) haven't technically gone up except in some cases (like rice) they only had a small rise.

[galambo]

I wish you also included where you live so that we could have a better understanding of how things are going in different countries.

In any case I've seen this issue mainly in countries that are plagued with a disease called capitalism. The "capitalist" would for example buy the farm and farmer and their products in long term contracts. There are cases where the farmers have to work their assess off for 10 years and hand over their products to the "salve master" at the same fixed price for 10 years regardless of inflation. That crushes the farmer.
The government can not get involved in it either because if they did the whole system falls apart. But this threatens food security.

In other places without capitalism (or little of it) things are different. The government can get involved and help guarantee food security, not to mention that farmers are mostly also owners of their own land and products.
For example in Iran farmers receive a lot of help at times like this, for example they could receive fertilizers at very cheap prices so that their final product doesn't need to go up in price. Sometimes they have a guarantee of purchase at a high price (even higher than market price). This is why food prices (like bread) haven't technically gone up except in some cases (like rice) they only had a small rise.

Iran has take full advantage of there rich reserves of oil and gas in maintaining national integrity. Those countries that are run on western model of economy or IMF program faced problem in such situations. Iran is isolated by USA and west but still its surprising to see how this country is prospering and standing on its feet.

[Ozero]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

I don't believe this will happen anytime sooner. Most countries have enough wheat supplies. Also I have seen in news - Putin announced he has enough wheat to supply to the countries who would be needing it.
Russia is unstoppable.

Russia can be stopped. Its not like its just the people in EU and US can think better. China doesn't create war but where are they now, they are the ones where bank go for bailout and US takes loan from them to give to Ukraine.

Putin is also a reasonable man, things just just need a mutual relationship.
As long as Zelensky is open to negotiate. He only have to listen to himself and not to EU and the West that pushes them get into this war. They don't even profit from this. Zelensky just have to use the alternative route before its too late. He doesn't have to wait when all are hungry and cold that his private soldiers will decide to shoot him to end this war.

If Putin would be reasonable, he would not attack Ukraine. This war will kill him and Russia as a whole. In any case, it will no longer be a superstate, as previously thought. Putin leads Russia to isolation from the outside world, the fall of the economy, poverty, crime and unemployment.
The President of Ukraine Zelensky just listens very little to Europe and the United States and often criticizes their actions if they take wrong steps from his point of view or show indecision and inaction.

What "alternative route" do you propose to take for Zelensky? Surrender and capitulate? Have you seen how Russian soldiers behave in the occupied territory in Ukraine? They rob, kill and rape civilians, destroy houses and any civilian infrastructure. And then surrender to the mercy of these bastards? Now the population of Ukraine is categorically against any peace agreements with the Putin regime. Ukrainians win even where the enemy's superiority is fivefold in manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia will suffer a military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, the world is now on the verge of very big changes.

[galambo]

Putin would be reasonable, he would not attack Ukraine. This war will kill him and Russia as a whole. In any case, it will no longer be a superstate, as previously thought. Putin leads Russia to isolation from the outside world, the fall of the economy, poverty, crime and unemployment.
The President of Ukraine Zelensky just listens very little to Europe and the United States and often criticizes their actions if they take wrong steps from his point of view or show indecision and inaction.

What "alternative route" do you propose to take for Zelensky? Surrender and capitulate? Have you seen how Russian soldiers behave in the occupied territory in Ukraine? They rob, kill and rape civilians, destroy houses and any civilian infrastructure. And then surrender to the mercy of these bastards? Now the population of Ukraine is categorically against any peace agreements with the Putin regime. Ukrainians win even where the enemy's superiority is fivefold in manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia will suffer a military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, the world is now on the verge of very big changes.

The real issue is where are usa and Europe on whose backing Zelensky fingured Russia. Since its Ukarine, media is saying that Russia is killing innocent people and bla bla but same media and white people were silent when usa and Europe were busy doing human rights violation in Afghanistan, Iraq and rest of the countries. Dual standards

[bustabitsboy]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

I don't believe this will happen anytime sooner. Most countries have enough wheat supplies. Also I have seen in news - Putin announced he has enough wheat to supply to the countries who would be needing it.
Russia is unstoppable.

Russia can be stopped. Its not like its just the people in EU and US can think better. China doesn't create war but where are they now, they are the ones where bank go for bailout and US takes loan from them to give to Ukraine.

Putin is also a reasonable man, things just just need a mutual relationship.
As long as Zelensky is open to negotiate. He only have to listen to himself and not to EU and the West that pushes them get into this war. They don't even profit from this. Zelensky just have to use the alternative route before its too late. He doesn't have to wait when all are hungry and cold that his private soldiers will decide to shoot him to end this war.

If Putin would be reasonable, he would not attack Ukraine. This war will kill him and Russia as a whole. In any case, it will no longer be a superstate, as previously thought. Putin leads Russia to isolation from the outside world, the fall of the economy, poverty, crime and unemployment.
The President of Ukraine Zelensky just listens very little to Europe and the United States and often criticizes their actions if they take wrong steps from his point of view or show indecision and inaction.

What "alternative route" do you propose to take for Zelensky? Surrender and capitulate? Have you seen how Russian soldiers behave in the occupied territory in Ukraine? They rob, kill and rape civilians, destroy houses and any civilian infrastructure. And then surrender to the mercy of these bastards? Now the population of Ukraine is categorically against any peace agreements with the Putin regime. Ukrainians win even where the enemy's superiority is fivefold in manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia will suffer a military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, the world is now on the verge of very big changes.

Does President Zelensky listen to NATO little? That's funny! Yes, he did not offer a single solution on his own! I think he humiliates all the people of Ukraine when he walks and asks for everything! How can Ukraine be called an independent country if it has nothing! What kind of victory can we talk about if the army surrenders entire cities! How can it be?

[newdevices]

Putin would be reasonable, he would not attack Ukraine. This war will kill him and Russia as a whole. In any case, it will no longer be a superstate, as previously thought. Putin leads Russia to isolation from the outside world, the fall of the economy, poverty, crime and unemployment.
The President of Ukraine Zelensky just listens very little to Europe and the United States and often criticizes their actions if they take wrong steps from his point of view or show indecision and inaction.

What "alternative route" do you propose to take for Zelensky? Surrender and capitulate? Have you seen how Russian soldiers behave in the occupied territory in Ukraine? They rob, kill and rape civilians, destroy houses and any civilian infrastructure. And then surrender to the mercy of these bastards? Now the population of Ukraine is categorically against any peace agreements with the Putin regime. Ukrainians win even where the enemy's superiority is fivefold in manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia will suffer a military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, the world is now on the verge of very big changes.

The real issue is where are usa and Europe on whose backing Zelensky fingured Russia. Since its Ukarine, media is saying that Russia is killing innocent people and bla bla but same media and white people were silent when usa and Europe were busy doing human rights violation in Afghanistan, Iraq and rest of the countries. Dual standards

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,
double standards are so annoying and should be humanity above all else,
what is clear is that the reality is like that and it will be difficult to change that

[pooya87]

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,

I wish the censored Western media hadn't brought it up at all instead of what they did which was praising it as something legitimate. For example the Economist called the criminal invasion of Iraq "waging of peace"! Here is a funny comparison between the titles this magazine used to describe invasion of Iraq (left) and Ukraine (right):


Another funny thing was the recent George W Bush's gaffe where he referred to his invasion of Iraq as "wholly unjustified and brutal invasion". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEg6Ht2pNH0

[DrBeer]

Agriculture fertilizer in general is undervalued because of disruption from many factors not just this war.  There is greater world GDP growth, growing populations and development of economies away from an agrarian self sufficiency economicy in terms of food more supply will be needed from those with land capable of mass production.   Russia trying to bully a nearby country into its cartel influence for money making and power advantage is not out of character.    The bigger problem might be global warming or altering weather patterns, this will alter current food production and require new land to be found and enriched.

Well, of course - Hitler was a "glorious fellow", what are tens of millions of dead, thousands of destroyed cities!? ... More important ... More important for us ... Yes, anything but that! I want to wish you that war never comes to your country, you are the face of a wild neighbor of an aggressor-sadist, and you really have no more problems than talking about the theory of climate change. I am sure you do not understand and have not seen what WAR is!

[DrBeer]

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,

I wish the censored Western media hadn't brought it up at all instead of what they did which was praising it as something legitimate. For example the Economist called the criminal invasion of Iraq "waging of peace"! Here is a funny comparison between the titles this magazine used to describe invasion of Iraq (left) and Ukraine (right):


Another funny thing was the recent George W Bush's gaffe where he referred to his invasion of Iraq as "wholly unjustified and brutal invasion". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEg6Ht2pNH0

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

PS Let me inform you in advance - the reason for the "peacekeeping mission" in Iraq is absolutely unacceptable to me, under the pretext of mass production of weapons of mass destruction prohibited by international conventions.
Although looking at international institutions, I understand that they are empty shells, created solely for ... the use of budgets.

[galambo]

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,
double standards are so annoying and should be humanity above all else,
what is clear is that the reality is like that and it will be difficult to change that

In 5th generation warfare media has very high role. They can make your mind to take an act as legitimate even if its unlawful, take example of recent usa invasion in last 2 decades. If you don't watch news channel for month or two, you will feel better.

[pooya87]

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

You should know better since Ukraine was collaborating with Nazi Germany during WWII in Schutzmannschaft, German military and in running concentration camps. Maybe that was also a "peacekeeping mission" like Iraq?

[romero121]

The food crisis all around Europe and other parts of the world are continuing. By the same time governments are helping neighbouring countries in need. India have promised of sending 50k metric tonnes of wheat to Afghanistan. Shipments have been taking place through Pakistan reaching Afghanistan. India and Afghanistan have strong cultural and historical relationship. Same as this shipment of rice and medicines have been send to Sri Lanka. So, this is the time where countries are helping each other and no more war out of food crisis.

[Argoo]

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

You should know better since Ukraine was collaborating with Nazi Germany during WWII in Schutzmannschaft, German military and in running concentration camps. Maybe that was also a "peacekeeping mission" like Iraq?

You either do not understand a little, or deliberately twist the history of Ukraine.
Let's go through this story for a bit. First of all, it should be noted that after the revolution in Russia in 1917, the Bolsheviks forcibly annexed Ukraine to the USSR, killing both the flower of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and the defenders of the idea of ​​an independent Ukraine.

As a result of the famine and genocide by the USSR, before World War II, Stalin killed millions more Ukrainians. Therefore, many in Ukraine perceived the outbreak of war with Nazi Germany as a chance to free themselves from the oppression of the USSR. Most Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, but some Ukrainians in western Ukraine formed the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) to create an independent Ukraine. At first they fought against the Soviet government in alliance with Germany, and when they saw what atrocities the Nazis were doing in Ukraine, they began to fight against the Nazis on two fronts.

The war came to Ukraine in March 1939. It began in Transcarpathia, when Hungarian troops, allies of the Nazis, broke into the territory of Carpathian Ukraine. It was the first battle with the Nazis in Europe. Between 2,000 and 6,500 people who came to the defense of Ukrainian statehood died - even before the start of World War II.

From September 1939 to June 1941, the Soviet authorities deported 1.17–1.25 million (according to various estimates) residents of the territories newly annexed to the USSR in Western Ukraine. Millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army and the armies of the allies, about a hundred thousand fought for their own independence as part of the OUN-UPA.
OUN members fought against the communists and Nazis and did not abandon the idea of ​​uniting the inhabitants of the West and the East, the South and the North around the idea of ​​Ukraine's independence.

Fronts marched across the Ukrainian land: first from west to east, then from east to west, destroying everything in its path. During this war, 700 cities and 28 thousand other settlements were destroyed in Ukraine, 1.8 million rural houses were destroyed.

Only the irretrievable human losses of Ukraine in the Second World War in the fight against fascism amount to more than 10 million people. This number does not include servicemen from Ukraine who died from September 1, 1939 to June 22, 1941 on the Soviet-Polish and Soviet-Finnish fronts, the dead soldiers of the UPA, as well as Soviet partisans. Therefore, the Ukrainians paid dearly in this war.

In 1946, the Soviet government again staged an artificial famine in Ukraine, taking advantage of the dry season that year.

Ukraine was able to proclaim its independence only in 1991, simultaneously with the collapse of the USSR. First of all, it is independence from Russia, which became the successor of the former USSR. But, as we see, imperial Russia still does not give up its attempts to enslave Ukraine in the current war.

[Minecache]

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,
double standards are so annoying and should be humanity above all else,
what is clear is that the reality is like that and it will be difficult to change that

In 5th generation warfare media has very high role. They can make your mind to take an act as legitimate even if its unlawful, take example of recent usa invasion in last 2 decades. If you don't watch news channel for month or two, you will feel better.

In an age of technology, the media can be viewed as a weapon to distort the truth. We should be wary of the information that we receive from the media, and read and listen to information from both sides rather than just one side.

I have not seen any official articles of the US and EU about the crimes of the US and Europe against the countries of the Middle East, instead of them calling it war, aggression, they call it saving the world from crime. LAUGH!

[DrBeer]

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

You should know better since Ukraine was collaborating with Nazi Germany during WWII in Schutzmannschaft, German military and in running concentration camps. Maybe that was also a "peacekeeping mission" like Iraq?

wow, now you've made it really, really funny! ))
This is told to me by a man whose relatives throughout the whole country collaborated with Nazi Germany since the mid-30s of the last century. Together they destroyed European countries, their peoples enslaved by the red plague. They held military parades together, with their Nazi brothers. And then almost 1.5 million Russians, faithfully, served in the Wehrmacht for a long time, killed their fellow citizens, and the flag of the Vlasov Nazis now proudly flies over the Kremlin

I will simply give here a list of military formations, Russians who served Nazism and Hitler. If someone does not know who actually fought on the side of Nazi Germany, below is a list of Russian troops who fought on the side of Hitler, which can be easily verified in archives and open sources. And now their heirs are trying to pass off as truth, a propaganda lie, to divert attention from their real history:
-ROA
-RONA
-KONR
-29th SS Volunteer Infantry Division "RONA" (1st Russian)
-30th SS Volunteer Infantry Division (2nd Russian)
- Division "Russland"
-Russian Corps
- Cossack Stan
-15th SS Cossack Cavalry Corps
-Combat Union of Russian Nationalists
-1st Russian National SS Brigade "Druzhina"
600th Russian division of the Wehrmacht
581st Field Gendarmerie Battalion
Guards of the Russian FasZist Party
Corps of the Russian Monarchist Party
Russen (Russia) - news and propaganda agency (now - Russian Today  )

.... and many others, who eventually gave the Wehrmacht about 1.5 million soldiers, officers and even generals!

[bakasabo]

More and more countries are being involved into wheat conflict. Now it is Turkey, as Ukraine says Russian ship carrying Ukrainian grain detained by Turkey. This is either fake or propaganda (but the sources, CNBC has a good reputation), or soon relationship between Russia and Turkey will be shaken.

I will put down question of this wheat origin, I am more interested in what will happen to this wheat. Can it be simply held, as I expect this ship to be under arrest or investigation for a long period, or this wheat will be spoiled in the end. When there are short of wheat in the world, loosing supply is a big no or failure.

[Argoo]

More and more countries are being involved into wheat conflict. Now it is Turkey, as Ukraine says Russian ship carrying Ukrainian grain detained by Turkey. This is either fake or propaganda (but the sources, CNBC has a good reputation), or soon relationship between Russia and Turkey will be shaken.

I will put down question of this wheat origin, I am more interested in what will happen to this wheat. Can it be simply held, as I expect this ship to be under arrest or investigation for a long period, or this wheat will be spoiled in the end. When there are short of wheat in the world, loosing supply is a big no or failure.

This is really true information, which in Ukraine is distributed through official channels. According to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Turkish customs detained the cargo ship "Zhibek Zholy" with grain, which was taken out of the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk seized by Russia.

The ship belongs to the Kazakh company KTZ Express Shipping, but since October 2021 it has been chartered by the Russian company Green Line LLC. On June 28, the ship "Zhibek Joli" loaded 7,000 tons of wheat in the occupied Ukrainian Berdyansk, from where it left for the Turkish port of Karasu.

According to Bodnar, Ambassador of Ukraine to Turkey, the fate of the ship will be decided at a meeting of investigators on Monday. He expressed hope that the ship would be arrested. So it won't stay there for long.

Ukraine and Western states have repeatedly accused Russia of stealing Ukrainian grain and blocking Ukrainian ports, which hinders food supplies in the world.

On June 23, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu promised that his country would not accept stolen Ukrainian grain.

[pooya87]

More and more countries are being involved into wheat conflict. Now it is Turkey, as Ukraine says Russian ship carrying Ukrainian grain detained by Turkey. This is either fake or propaganda (but the sources, CNBC has a good reputation), or soon relationship between Russia and Turkey will be shaken.

I will put down question of this wheat origin, I am more interested in what will happen to this wheat. Can it be simply held, as I expect this ship to be under arrest or investigation for a long period, or this wheat will be spoiled in the end. When there are short of wheat in the world, loosing supply is a big no or failure.

Turkey has been playing a very dangerous game, not because of this news alone but because they are playing with and against both sides. In my opinion the fate of this single cargo ship is not important (although in the context of this topic it is), but the more important thing is the fate of the countries that play in the middle instead of clearly defining their side in a world that is no longer unipolar. We could see Turkey receive its response in Syria that they have been trying to invade and occupy (and failing) for some time now. That respond could be harsh.

It is not just Turkey either, there are a couple of others that are doing this like Ukraine that did this and Lithuania that is doing it these days.
On one hand Lithuania is increasing tensions with Russia by blocking shipments to Kaliningrad (a strategically important region for Russia that is separated from mainland by Baltic countries) and on the other hand they tell Russia they are sorry and were just "following orders"!!! Meanwhile nuclear missiles are being deployed in Belarus and Suwałki Gap could be taken in a couple of hours.

The worst part is that they are part of the same NATO that tells them that they are not going to send any help while speculating that when Russia attacks they'll take all these Baltic countries in less than 60 hours!

Washington should privately deliver a clear and tough message to Vilnius and other capitals throughout Europe, especially in the East: Inciting Moscow to strike would relieve the U.S. of any obligation to defend them, even if they are NATO members. It is vital for America and the rest of Europe to keep the dogs of war leashed if at all possible.

When I said in this board that NATO (and by extension European Union) is a useless alliance and some people laughed. I was being modest, NATO is not only a useless treaty but also a dangerous one to 90% of its members.
- First they force Lithuania to block Russian exports to Kaliningrad which Lithuania must obey.
- Second Russia threatens Lithuania for what they did.
- Third NATO tell Lithuania that they are increasing tensions and they won't be helped if they keep it up!

P.S. We now have a better understanding of why there are many anti-NATO protests in NATO countries like Spain.

[stompix]

For example in Iran farmers receive a lot of help at times like this, for example they could receive fertilizers at very cheap prices so that their final product doesn't need to go up in price. Sometimes they have a guarantee of purchase at a high price (even higher than market price). This is why food prices (like bread) haven't technically gone up except in some cases (like rice) they only had a small rise.

Interesting, indeed interesting..
What a success story if you were to believe what the propaganda tells you..

So, looking at what the Statistical Center of Iran says here:
https://www.amar.org.ir/english/SCI-News-Archive/ID/18460/consumer-price-index-in-the-month-of-khordad-of-the-year-1401

The point-to-point inflation rate of this month experienced a 13.2 percentage point increase in comparison with the previous month (Ordibehesht, the year 1401). The point-to-point inflation rate for the major groups of "food, beverages and tobacco" and "non-food items and services" were 81.6 percent with a 32.2 percentage point increase and 36.8 percent with a 2.8 percentage point increase, respectively.

there are two options left, either the Iranian government is lying in its statistics, or you're the one doing the lying.
But maybe, since the rial is doing a /100 or /1000, can't remember the zeros anymore,  against the dollar maybe a 80% increase in food price is the normal thing there, and locals call it a "small" rise.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

there are two options left, either the Iranian government is lying in its statistics, or you're the one doing the lying.
But maybe, since the rial is doing a /100 or /1000, can't remember the zeros anymore,  against the dollar maybe a 80% increase in food price is the normal thing there, and locals call it a "small" rise.

Iran is still in comfortable position despite ban from USA , thanks to Iran internal unity and rich oil reserves. Iran is self sufficient in producing food items and electricity. Its even importing these things to its neighbours. I am not sure about Iran statistics but still Iran is far better then many countries of its region.

[pooya87]

there are two options left, either the Iranian government is lying in its statistics, or you're the one doing the lying.
But maybe, since the rial is doing a /100 or /1000, can't remember the zeros anymore,  against the dollar maybe a 80% increase in food price is the normal thing there, and locals call it a "small" rise.

Iran is still in comfortable position despite ban from USA , thanks to Iran internal unity and rich oil reserves. Iran is self sufficient in producing food items and electricity. Its even importing these things to its neighbours. I am not sure about Iran statistics but still Iran is far better then many countries of its region.

I don't know why he thinks he knows my country better than I, good thing I have him on ignore ever since he supported an act of terror.

In any case since it was brought up I have to say that I'm not an economy expert to know how the hell they compute these numbers. Iran has inflation, sometimes high ones but it is nowhere near as high as those numbers report. For example I write every single cent I spend in an excel spreadsheet for money management, I just made some computations to see the amount of money I've spent in the past 5 years which should show the inflation to some extent:


There is a peak in 1399 because I made multiple big purchases (mostly expensive house appliances) but ignoring that the amount of money I spend annually is increasing by less than 10% and I haven't changed my spending habits in the past 5 years at all.

The last value belongs to this year (we are currently at the beginning of Tir, that is 4th month of the year) and the amount of money I've spent so far is almost the same as last year.

So why is the statistics showing higher inflation? If I had to guess it should be because they are ignoring the subsidy for the goods they use in their computation. For example the items in the basket they use includes things like cooking oil, flour (bread), white and red meat, eggs, dairy products, grains, fruits and vegetables, etc. Each of these have a multiplier based on their importance and the following items have the highest: Bread (no price change in the past couple of years). Cooking oil (price quadrupled). Eggs (price about doubled). Meat (price went up about 50%). The average of all of these becomes a high number.

But here is where the subsidy comes in and makes the difference. The items I explicitly named above had the highest rise and all received a subsidy from the government but it was paid to the producer and consumer bought it at low prices. For example if you looked at the price printed on the cooking oil bottle a month or two ago it used to be 14.9 T but today it is about 60 which is a 4x increase. But now the government is paying that subsidy to the consumer, in other words people are still technically buying that cooking oil bottle (and other goods with high price rises) at previous prices if not lower.

This is why I said price of food "didn't technically go up". If I'm not mistaken 80% of the population which is about 70 million are currently receiving the cash every month in their bank accounts. So on paper the inflation rate shows higher values for the past months that these changes are taking place (and of course because of actual inflation) but realistically inflation rate is a lot lower than the reported numbers.

This was done to prevent smuggling. Fun fact: the day after this change went live cooking oil was nowhere to be found in 4 of our neighbor countries since smuggling stopped abruptly!

[stompix]

I don't know why he thinks he knows my country better than I

This way of thinking hasn't stopped you from claiming things about every European country on the map despite never setting foot there..

In any case since it was brought up I have to say that I'm not an economy expert to know how the hell they compute these numbers. Iran has inflation, sometimes high ones but it is nowhere near as high as those numbers report. For example I write every single cent I spend in an excel spreadsheet for money management, I just made some computations to see the amount of money I've spent in the past 5 years which should show the inflation to some extent:

Yeah lol, let's believe the guys who
- claimed sunflower oil was nowhere to be found in Germany when stores were full
- the guy who claimed the bankrupt UK paid half a billion for two spies captured in Iran
- the guy who claimed that two rockets fired by Iran destroyed American equipment worth trillions
- the guy who claimed 6000 American soldiers died killed by Iran strikes
 the guy who claimed American weapons are shit despite the global superpower intergalactic army of Iran still flying F4 made in the US 60 years ago

And when presented with accurate data from his own government, then the data...is not that is this and it's not that because ...

Cooking oil (price quadrupled). Eggs (price about doubled). Meat (price went up about 50%). The average of all of these becomes a high number.

So the price went up but the subsidy that was just canceled is making those prices not going up...
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220619-inflation-subsidy-reform-hit-stomachs-in-isolated-iran

Yeah, have fun lying to yourself and dreaming Iran is a superpower, and the western civilization will collapse just because you got your green card denied..meanwhile, the reality is entirely different.

If I'm not mistaken 80% of the population which is about 70 million are currently receiving the cash every month in their bank accounts.

What a nice way to say that 80% of the population is facing starvation and the government is helping them with...10$ a month?

Yearly inflation in the US hits 8%
- the US will go bankrupt
Monthly inflation hits 13% in Iran
- the US will go bankrupt 

[DrBeer]

More and more countries are being involved into wheat conflict. Now it is Turkey, as Ukraine says Russian ship carrying Ukrainian grain detained by Turkey. This is either fake or propaganda (but the sources, CNBC has a good reputation), or soon relationship between Russia and Turkey will be shaken.

I will put down question of this wheat origin, I am more interested in what will happen to this wheat. Can it be simply held, as I expect this ship to be under arrest or investigation for a long period, or this wheat will be spoiled in the end. When there are short of wheat in the world, loosing supply is a big no or failure.

Turkey has been playing a very dangerous game, not because of this news alone but because they are playing with and against both sides. In my opinion the fate of this single cargo ship is not important (although in the context of this topic it is), but the more important thing is the fate of the countries that play in the middle instead of clearly defining their side in a world that is no longer unipolar. We could see Turkey receive its response in Syria that they have been trying to invade and occupy (and failing) for some time now. That respond could be harsh.

It is not just Turkey either, there are a couple of others that are doing this like Ukraine that did this and Lithuania that is doing it these days.
On one hand Lithuania is increasing tensions with Russia by blocking shipments to Kaliningrad (a strategically important region for Russia that is separated from mainland by Baltic countries) and on the other hand they tell Russia they are sorry and were just "following orders"!!! Meanwhile nuclear missiles are being deployed in Belarus and Suwałki Gap could be taken in a couple of hours.

The worst part is that they are part of the same NATO that tells them that they are not going to send any help while speculating that when Russia attacks they'll take all these Baltic countries in less than 60 hours!

Washington should privately deliver a clear and tough message to Vilnius and other capitals throughout Europe, especially in the East: Inciting Moscow to strike would relieve the U.S. of any obligation to defend them, even if they are NATO members. It is vital for America and the rest of Europe to keep the dogs of war leashed if at all possible.

When I said in this board that NATO (and by extension European Union) is a useless alliance and some people laughed. I was being modest, NATO is not only a useless treaty but also a dangerous one to 90% of its members.
- First they force Lithuania to block Russian exports to Kaliningrad which Lithuania must obey.
- Second Russia threatens Lithuania for what they did.
- Third NATO tell Lithuania that they are increasing tensions and they won't be helped if they keep it up!

P.S. We now have a better understanding of why there are many anti-NATO protests in NATO countries like Spain.

Oh, what are you talking about and fantasizing!? In Lithuania, it is just doing another, scheduled inspection of the railway tracks. Yes, it doesn't block anything. You just have to wait and be patient! And you have already fantasized about something incomprehensible! And what prevents "great Russia" from providing its territories by sea, by planes? Russia is the most powerful country and everyone envy her! How did the ruble get stronger? The dollar is already jealous! And the Americans too! Alaska will soon be taken away from the USA! Well, it's still great! Why are you so worried about some kind of NATO? They don’t even have analogues that have no weapons, a non-replaceable leader and the strongest currency, such as the ruble, in service?!
And the Lithuanians are slowly checking sleeper after sleeper

[bitgov]

Oh, what are you talking about and fantasizing!? In Lithuania, it is just doing another, scheduled inspection of the railway tracks. Yes, it doesn't block anything. You just have to wait and be patient! And you have already fantasized about something incomprehensible! And what prevents "great Russia" from providing its territories by sea, by planes? Russia is the most powerful country and everyone envy her! How did the ruble get stronger? The dollar is already jealous! And the Americans too! Alaska will soon be taken away from the USA! Well, it's still great! Why are you so worried about some kind of NATO? They don’t even have analogues that have no weapons, a non-replaceable leader and the strongest currency, such as the ruble, in service?!
And the Lithuanians are slowly checking sleeper after sleeper

I think this wheat war crisis is pure propaganda and nothing is going to happen any time sooner.
Most of the south Asian countries are agricultural countries. And having a less wheat is impossible thing. So I hope - lets for the time concentrate on achieving financial freedom.

[Wind_FURY]

Did anyone read the news about Sri Lanka? The country is currently in a state of anarchy, with its citizens protesting, and breaking inside the presidential residence. It started with a stupid government policy that they will stop importation of fertilizer in a bid to become the first country to be all organic in their agricultural sector. The result, FARMING YIELDS WENT DOWN 50%, causing a food shortage!

[Sithara007]

Did anyone read the news about Sri Lanka? The country is currently in a state of anarchy, with its citizens protesting, and breaking inside the presidential residence. It started with a stupid government policy that they will stop importation of fertilizer in a bid to become the first country to be all organic in their agricultural sector. The result, FARMING YIELDS WENT DOWN 50%, causing a food shortage!

That was one of the reasons. And it is a lesson for all those stupid tree huggers around the world. Protests are going on in the Netherlands right now, after the government introduced some similar step. Farmers are out of the roads protesting. And there is a good chance that the regime will be overthrown. These Green party guys are a curse to the world. In the name of environmental protection, they are just brining in more misery. What is the point in shutting down nuclear power plants, when nuclear energy is the most clean and cheap version of electricity that is available? And Green Party in Europe has been in the forefront to bring additional sanctions to Russia, which resulted in the cost of fertilizer going up by 3-4 times.

[Ebede]

there are two options left, either the Iranian government is lying in its statistics, or you're the one doing the lying.
But maybe, since the rial is doing a /100 or /1000, can't remember the zeros anymore,  against the dollar maybe a 80% increase in food price is the normal thing there, and locals call it a "small" rise.

Iran is still in comfortable position despite ban from USA , thanks to Iran internal unity and rich oil reserves. Iran is self sufficient in producing food items and electricity. Its even importing these things to its neighbours. I am not sure about Iran statistics but still Iran is far better then many countries of its region.

since i know of Iran it's a country that likes to fight in any form which i believe that they are not world powers. This country does Malta have economic Factor compared to others but what I know if you delete that the country comfort and demolish whatever thing they have but their statistics concerning a positive thing is not really recommended

[bakasabo]

This is amazing how everything is connected in the world. The Ukraine-Russian war causes more troubles outside contested territory, then inside. I think some countries are even feel pity that they took part in this war and now are involved into financial problems of whole world. They could have been sitting quietly at home, doing their own stuff. But now, as they have impose sanctions, they are hit with financial boomerang.

[bitgov]

This is amazing how everything is connected in the world. The Ukraine-Russian war causes more troubles outside contested territory, then inside. I think some countries are even feel pity that they took part in this war and now are involved into financial problems of whole world. They could have been sitting quietly at home, doing their own stuff. But now, as they have impose sanctions, they are hit with financial boomerang.

In all that war - the good take away is Russia is not stoppable. How they have started accepting Ruble for oil and gas trade is already a big game changer.
Russia have kept a tight control on their state bank and how they are bouncing back is exemplary also the way they have used their gold resources. They are going to fight back. Lesson learnt from this war is depend in your own resources.

[yhiaali3]

The real question is how each country will deal with this crisis. On what scale will conflicts erupt?

Unfortunately we are in a world like a jungle, the strong eat the weak and the big eat the small, this could be the answer to your question, it means that every country will deal with this crisis from the principle of narrow national interest first, every country will try to solve its problem at the expense of other countries, America for example It plans to destroy Russia in cooperation with NATO, but in fact it does not care about the suffering of Europe or the NATO countries as a result of the sanctions imposed on Russia, which led to the suffocation of Europe, while America is far from all this and is trying to exploit all parties to its advantage. European countries also may resort to concluding some understandings with Russia and sacrifice Ukraine, if necessary.
The struggle over food and natural resources may eventually lead the world to a third world war.

[stompix]

And this one is gold, I mean, even if you would have the meanest propaganda on your side you wouldn't be able to come up with stories like the reality in Russia. So after Europe was on the verge of collapse from lack of food and oil, the newly resurrected clone of McDonalds in Russia, has stopped serving french fries...

Directly from the source, rough google translation
https://vkusnoitochka.ru/articles/news/potato-temporarily-not-available/

In addition, it became impossible to import from markets that could become temporary suppliers of potatoes for enterprises in Russia.
According to our estimates, the major players in the market are facing similar difficulties, despite the fact that the standard of tubers used at Vkusno - i dot is higher than that of competitors. Potatoes will return to the menu of the network's enterprises in full at the beginning of the next harvest year, in the fall of 2022.

So till the next harvest, no more potatoes for you!!!

Meanwhile, in the other fortress resisting western imperialism, the galactic superpower of Iran:
https://www.radiofarda.com/a/expensive-iran-fruit/31911506.html

A member of the Board of Directors of the Beef Production and Distribution Union said on June 27 that the sale of veal meat has dropped by 20% in the past weeks. The head of the Federation of Food Industry had announced in early June that the sale of food industry products in the country would be halved.

Things are going so well that food products consumption will be halved since nobody afford them anymore. Of course, these guys are lying, who the hell are they, directors and heads of federations, we know by the above excel graph things are doing great:

The Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Association of Dairy Products Industries also announced in the middle of June, referring to the 80% increase in the price of dairy products last month, that the consumption of dairy products in households has decreased by 20%

Propaganda is nice till it starts hitting you, all those claiming the west will be ruined, cheering that Europeans will freeze to death, will starve because of sanctions, I wonder how next spring will look for you, once reality strikes.

[Sithara007]

Propaganda is nice till it starts hitting you, all those claiming the west will be ruined, cheering that Europeans will freeze to death, will starve because of sanctions, I wonder how next spring will look for you, once reality strikes.

Did anyone claimed that the Europeans will freeze to death if the Russian pipeline gas flows are halted? Only around one-third of Europe's gas comes from Russia, so there is no point in saying such things. That said, a number of European manufacturing units have already closed down as a result of gas shortages. BASF is Germany is one of the examples. The Europeans are not going to freeze to death, but they will have to deal with millions of unemployed citizens pretty soon, if this crisis continues for some time.

[cabron]

They're all trying to block each other's trade route now to starve each other. Turkey is really walking on a thin line.

Meanwhile leaders are quiting their post, one was assasinated peace be upon Shinzo Abe while Biden comes back begging for gas in Iran and considers lifting tarriff on Chinese trade. Desparation will come.

[pooya87]

Protests are going on in the Netherlands right now, after the government introduced some similar step. Farmers are out of the roads protesting. And there is a good chance that the regime will be overthrown.

I saw something on twitter yesterday about Dutch farmers bringing a tank to their protest! Granted some said it was fake news but it got my attention to the protests in Netherlands and police shooting them which was very real!

In any case there are dominoes that are falling one after the other, Sri Lanka, Netherlands, Germany, France, ... and how the British government just fell apart over night! They thought they could exit European Union before the Russians attacked so that they could save themselves from the effects of that conflict on their own economy while other EU nations burnt. Then after EU got weak enough, come back as the "Savior". They never expected addition of 1.5 million homeless in only 3 months this year according to the Guardian!
Little did they know, it all affected England too, specially due to all the Pounds they'd printed. They also didn't expect their ally, US, would stab them in the back which is surprising considering how many times they've been stabbed. I still laugh when I think about how the British Royal Navy warship was begging the US Aircraft Carrier group a few miles away for help to stop us from seizing their ship and the US marines shitting their pants said their whole navy would sink if they got involved

P.S. Apparently Scotland is now talking about independence too! Considering most of England's energy comes from there, that makes it very interesting.

[stompix]

Propaganda is nice till it starts hitting you, all those claiming the west will be ruined, cheering that Europeans will freeze to death, will starve because of sanctions, I wonder how next spring will look for you, once reality strikes.

Did anyone claimed that the Europeans will freeze to death if the Russian pipeline gas flows are halted? Only around one-third of Europe's gas comes from Russia, so there is no point in saying such things.

You should really go and have that checked up, it's not the first time you forget your own words, or it might be a split personality, but since I'm a nice guy let me remind you of all the funny stupid things you were saying around here

The underground gas storages are at all time low and in case Russia doesn't send gas to Germany, then half of the population will freeze to death by the end of this year.

Remember now how you claimed that 40 million germans will freeze to death if the gas is turned off?  
And since we're on the subject of forgotten things you have predicted, the barrel at 200 and Ukraine getting conquered in half in a few weeks in April, do you still get those?

Meanwhile, probably the records tourists in Spain and Greece which are expected to break by 20% the pre covid record are probably there to catch a bit of heat for the winter. And maybe so are the ones working too, with EU reaching record employment despite all the collapses in the industry...
Or maybe they are on the beach cheering for the first grain vessels leaving Ukraine now that Russia has been kicked out of Snake Island and they are too afraid to come near the shore after the Moskva lesson?

PS.
Seriously, get that checked up, swallowing propaganda all day will do terrible things to you, in a few years at this pace you're going to forget your name and you're going to call yourself Peter the Great..

[Sithara007]

^^^ Barrel at $200 is still possible, if the West moves ahead with their stupid plans for price cap on Russian oil. Too bad that India and China have told them to GTFO. And as far as employment is concerned, the true impact will take some time to be visible on ground. Industries will start to layoff employees once losses accumulate beyond a certain threshold. They haven't yet reached that stage.

And congratulations for driving away Russians from the Snake island. The last time I heard about it, the Ukrainians tried to plant their flag there. Retreated after 5 minutes, with dozens of casualties.

[pooya87]

Diesel price rise is the next problem that farmers have to deal with which would decrease production leading to shortage and even more increased prices. It's not just gas prices that go up specially in US that is currently averaging at $5.14 the Diesel price is soaring and has gone up 57% over the past couple of months.


This doesn't just affect crops, it affects livestock too which we can clearly see in the increase meat prices in the West.

P.S. Speaking of US what is going on with the series of fires in food industry facilities all over America? There has been over 100 of them in the past year and they are only increasing in numbers. It's not just that, there are increasing number of fires in energy industry facilities too! The most recent one was in Oklahoma (5 days ago) which was so big that caused a 1.74 magnitude earthquake.

[Sithara007]

^^^^ LOL.. the Americans should consider themselves lucky. $5.68 per gallon means just $1.50 per liter. The pump prices in countries such as Germany and Turkey are almost double that much. The United States produce most of the oil and gas which they consume and they are fortunate that they don't have a great number of Green Party tree-huggers in their country. If that was the case, then they will be dealing with prices of more than $10 per gallon. The best example is that of Norway. They are one of the largest gas/oil exporters. Still diesel costs around $9 per gallon there.

[DrBeer]

More and more countries are being involved into wheat conflict. Now it is Turkey, as Ukraine says Russian ship carrying Ukrainian grain detained by Turkey. This is either fake or propaganda (but the sources, CNBC has a good reputation), or soon relationship between Russia and Turkey will be shaken.

I will put down question of this wheat origin, I am more interested in what will happen to this wheat. Can it be simply held, as I expect this ship to be under arrest or investigation for a long period, or this wheat will be spoiled in the end. When there are short of wheat in the world, loosing supply is a big no or failure.

What do you think is fake? What is Russia stealing? So she does it all the time, and not only in Ukraine!
Regarding grain - from the territory temporarily occupied by terrorists of the regions of Ukraine, the terrorists (Russians) first exported grain and other agricultural products "quietly", hoping that this would not be noticed. After hundreds and thousands of photo and video materials appeared of how it was stolen, how it was loaded and on what vehicles, to which ports it was carried and on which ships it was loaded, the Russians decided not to hide the theft. Now they are absolutely openly discussing on the central TV channels how they will now dispose of the "extracted" resources! How lucky they are, how they will sell grain, or even give someone as a gift, because "they can afford it." The country is a terrorist, the country is a thief, what surprises you?

[stompix]

The best example is that of Norway. They are one of the largest gas/oil exporters. Still diesel costs around $9 per gallon there.

Yeah, the biggest moroons you can find in the universe those Norwegians.
Imagine that, taxing gasoline and putting the money in a welfare fund is what, the largest sovereign fund the world, and holding 60% of the funds all welfare and social funds in whole China do?
Cleary a stupid idea, imagine taxing gasoline so much and putting aside a measly $300 000 per citizen, that's peanuts, only 70 years of average working in India,  that must be the reason why India doesn't even have one. It's so damn stupid even Putin tried to copy it, of course with the efficiency of an S400 guarding an ammo depot against a himars strike.

It's so stupid that even a retarded would see the better choice was to subsidize gas like Venezuela did, every expert that freezes and unfreezes germans every single day of the 40 days of the month on this forum would agree it's a bad idea.
And look at the consequence,  Norway is up there on this list:
 https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/articles/85/
damn, it must be magic! Or it must be the work of somebody who knows how the economy works and what planning ahead means.

[Sithara007]

The best example is that of Norway. They are one of the largest gas/oil exporters. Still diesel costs around $9 per gallon there.

Yeah, the biggest moroons you can find in the universe those Norwegians.
Imagine that, taxing gasoline and putting the money in a welfare fund is what, the largest sovereign fund the world, and holding 60% of the funds all welfare and social funds in whole China do?
Cleary a stupid idea, imagine taxing gasoline so much and putting aside a measly $300 000 per citizen, that's peanuts, only 70 years of average working in India,  that must be the reason why India doesn't even have one. It's so damn stupid even Putin tried to copy it, of course with the efficiency of an S400 guarding an ammo depot against a himars strike.

It's so stupid that even a retarded would see the better choice was to subsidize gas like Venezuela did, every expert that freezes and unfreezes germans every single day of the 40 days of the month on this forum would agree it's a bad idea.
And look at the consequence,  Norway is up there on this list:
 https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/articles/85/
damn, it must be magic! Or it must be the work of somebody who knows how the economy works and what planning ahead means.

Well.. it is a stupid thing to do. Diesel without any taxes would be $4 per gallon. Taxing at a rate of 20% or 30% is still OK. Norway is taxing it at >100%. Norway is a small country of 5 million people. What they want to do with a trillion USD SWF, where majority of the assets are denominated in US Dollar? Effectively they are subsidizing the Americans, by strengthening their national currency. IMO, that money should be better spent, by giving it back to the people, or by using it for various infrastructure projects.

[stompix]

Well.. it is a stupid thing to do.

Yeah, of course, says the one who thought a month has 40 days, that Ukraine will be conquered in two weeks, and just yesterday that the oil price will still be able to go to 200$, knowing you you're right now probably crying that oil is getting cheap right?
The ones having a 1 trillion fund are stupid, their 6.3% annual return is also stupid, they should just have that money over to be spent instead of "strengthing" the us dollar, right? Oh, and they should probably ditch their 13 billion investment in Indian companies and they're 34 billion in Chinese companies, with the * that that money is on public tarded companies on their own stock exchange!

But I already know, germans will freeze to death, euros is going to collapse, the Europeans are stupid, and only the anonymous genius here on bitcointalk by his name Sithara007, is right. We should really put you in charge of some international fund, I'm sure in the multitude of offers you're receiving every day there must be at least one or two, right?

Btw, since this topic of doom and gloom has been opened:
- wheat prices have gone down -21.45%%
- oil prices are down -12.84%
- Eu cereals are going to increase to record high since 2014
- and the final nail in the coffin for some morons that thought the EU will not have any sunflower oil anymore

EU oilseed production is forecast at 32.1 million tonnes (+7.8% / 5-year average), including a record 11.1 million tonnes of sunflower seed, allowing to compensate for the loss of supplies from Ukraine.

, or about the same as Russia (23 million) and Ukraine combined  ( 12 million).

Must be really painful for some...but that's the nice thing reality does

[pooya87]

^^^^ LOL.. the Americans should consider themselves lucky. $5.68 per gallon means just $1.50 per liter. The pump prices in countries such as Germany and Turkey are almost double that much. The United States produce most of the oil and gas which they consume and they are fortunate that they don't have a great number of Green Party tree-huggers in their country. If that was the case, then they will be dealing with prices of more than $10 per gallon. The best example is that of Norway. They are one of the largest gas/oil exporters. Still diesel costs around $9 per gallon there.

Countries that are producing their own needs usually have lower prices, for example gas here is worth about $0.04 per liter but the price itself is not important the rise is. What the fuel price rise does is that it increases production cost for almost everything.
For example when diesel and gas prices rise, the farmer would have to spend more money to run their combines, tractors,... and the trucks that transport their goods to consumers would also have increased cost. That means food prices would go up a lot too.

This is partly why the inflation is still on the rise and both US and EU are reporting decades high rates. As Gentiloni, the European Commissioner for Economy, recently said the economy is weakening and the inflationary pressure still remains strong. Food prices, although the market calmed down a bit, are still 30% higher compared to last year, and are expected to rise more. This is while wages have not gone up nearly as much and unemployment is on the rise, this is despite the growth happening after the relaxation of containment measures.

[ChrisPop]

The situation is not looking good, I'll say that. Economic warfares and especially large ones like the one we are facing generally transform in full-blown military ones. I pray to God that doesn't happen, but realistically speaking the political relations between China, Russia, USA and Europe are very fragile right now. Nuclear attack defense precautions were aired on public TV in the United States - what clearer sign do we need?

When you add to this the economic recession and the possible future waves of COVID you can paint a really dire situation.

[bakasabo]

Countries that are producing their own needs usually have lower prices

To bad that does not work for my country. For example all produced food must meet unite euro standard. I know that our farmers that produce milk cant sell it directly on our market. They must import it to a country that has a "milk factory" ( I dont know a proper word for that). There milk is getting "cleaned", something got added into it, packaged and imported back to us. Such a stupid milk cycle that only increases its price. Our own milk cost for us more than it cost in foreign shops.

[DrBeer]

Diesel price rise is the next problem that farmers have to deal with which would decrease production leading to shortage and even more increased prices. It's not just gas prices that go up specially in US that is currently averaging at $5.14 the Diesel price is soaring and has gone up 57% over the past couple of months.

This doesn't just affect crops, it affects livestock too which we can clearly see in the increase meat prices in the West.

P.S. Speaking of US what is going on with the series of fires in food industry facilities all over America? There has been over 100 of them in the past year and they are only increasing in numbers. It's not just that, there are increasing number of fires in energy industry facilities too! The most recent one was in Oklahoma (5 days ago) which was so big that caused a 1.74 magnitude earthquake.

In the USSR, there was also a thick layer of science fiction writers who expected the collapse of the United States
That dollar should have ceased to have value. Then in the United States there was to be a revolution of the working class, envious, of course, of the USSR.
As the USSR faded, fantasies became crazier - for example, that the Yellowstone volcano should explode. And this is exactly what Vanga predicted! And this means that this event should happen any day, and the United States will definitely not
And then, the USSR suddenly began to squeal "oh! and who shit in our pants!? No, we didn’t shit ourselves, it was someone who shitted us in our underpants! These are all insidious Americans." After that, the USSR collapsed loudly. Of course, you have the right to fantasize about how American farmers will go bankrupt, it obviously warms your soul But it’s better to make sure that when Russia “gets up off its knees” again, someone throws at least a crust of bread when you once again beg everyone has handouts. Now Russia has become a world outcast country, to which no one will ever lend a helping hand ... And you worry about the farmers!

[bitgov]

The situation is not looking good, I'll say that. Economic warfares and especially large ones like the one we are facing generally transform in full-blown military ones. I pray to God that doesn't happen, but realistically speaking the political relations between China, Russia, USA and Europe are very fragile right now. Nuclear attack defense precautions were aired on public TV in the United States - what clearer sign do we need?

When you add to this the economic recession and the possible future waves of COVID you can paint a really dire situation.

I wonder - when the whole world was going through post COVID crisis why did Russia attack Ukraine.
There are people dying already in the whole world and they want to kill the people - and this inflation is killing us.

[edgycorner]

Good for people like me who got celiac   

[Ahli38]

Now I am starting to think further about the economic crisis that has hit almost all parts of the world. If we collect all the news from every country related to the current economic crisis, it seems that it is getting worse day by day. even the latest news from the IMF, related to inflation in the United States (US) has jumped to 9.1%. This figure is said to be the highest in 40 years. if conditions like this continue then world war III is in sight. because hunger is now starting to increase in some countries. food is the only thing that must be a priority at this time. wheat, rice and other staples will be an important thing that every country really has to think about. And for the EU, which is used to imports, the impact will be felt. because now each country will not focus too much on exporting because each country will focus on meeting the needs of its own country. When big countries with great powers are already squeezed with their limited food needs, it is not impossible that there will be invasions into several countries that have enough food for them to take.
lucky i'm in a country that doesn't depend on imported materials. because in my country food is easy to get because my country is one of the largest food producing countries. because the farmers here have started to get used to managing the land without fertilizer manufacturers. farmers have started to use organic fertilizers and make natural decomposers for fermentation that can be used to make fertilizers and feeds such as EM4 and POC.

[DrBeer]

A few words about oil.

1. Yesterday's news - Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, at the request of the United States, announced an increase in oil production to 13 million barrels per day (currently at 10 million). That is, the market will receive 3 million barrels more daily. Is it a lot or a little?
Let's calculate: The level of Russian oil supplies to the EU market is 2.4 million barrels (reference: According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), Russia exported 2.4 million barrels of oil per day to the EU in 2021 - this is slightly more than half of all exports). The total volume of daily sales is approximately 4.6 million barrels per day.
Answer: Saudi Arabia will replace 65% of ALL Russian oil, just by slightly raising production. Or 125% of the EU requirement. It is possible that part of the oil will also go to the United States, and farmers will be saved.

2. Iran. Southern Azadegan. Who does not know - a large oil field in Iran, separated from the Azadegan field in 2006. Recoverable oil reserves in Azadegan are 9 billion barrels (about 1.2 billion tons), or 1/8 of ALL RESERVES of Russian oil (mostly difficult to produce). Now the field is already producing oil and is actively developing.

By the way, the daily production of natural gas at the 11th phase of the South Pars field will be 14 million cubic meters!

At the same time, I do not exclude at all that such countries as Venezuela, Iran - can make a "deal with the investigation", or rather with the United States and in exchange for oil supplies to the US market (primarily Venezuela), and the EU (more likely Iran), and gain more loyalty and lift some sanctions....

What am I for?
1. Russian oil exports will irreversibly lose the European market. At what without harm to the EU but with huge losses for Russia.
2. Will the active development of production in Iran lead to increased price competition in the Chinese and Indian hydrocarbon markets? Why ? Because only they buy oil in huge volumes from rogue countries, and will use the situation exclusively for their own benefit, I understand perfectly well that these countries have no other buyers, and there are no dimensionless oil storage facilities, and conservation of production is even more expensive.
3. Countries dependent on Russia's "antics" in the hydrocarbon market will very quickly find adequate suppliers, and in the short term the problem will be solved.

[bitgov]

1. Russian oil exports will irreversibly lose the European market. At what without harm to the EU but with huge losses for Russia.
2. Will the active development of production in Iran lead to increased price competition in the Chinese and Indian hydrocarbon markets? Why ? Because only they buy oil in huge volumes from rogue countries, and will use the situation exclusively for their own benefit, I understand perfectly well that these countries have no other buyers, and there are no dimensionless oil storage facilities, and conservation of production is even more expensive.
3. Countries dependent on Russia's "antics" in the hydrocarbon market will very quickly find adequate suppliers, and in the short term the problem will be solved.

This is the whole propaganda. This is not going to happen
Some news show as if the world is going to collapse - and this will never happen. Be positive and everything will be okie.

[DrBeer]

1. Russian oil exports will irreversibly lose the European market. At what without harm to the EU but with huge losses for Russia.
2. Will the active development of production in Iran lead to increased price competition in the Chinese and Indian hydrocarbon markets? Why ? Because only they buy oil in huge volumes from rogue countries, and will use the situation exclusively for their own benefit, I understand perfectly well that these countries have no other buyers, and there are no dimensionless oil storage facilities, and conservation of production is even more expensive.
3. Countries dependent on Russia's "antics" in the hydrocarbon market will very quickly find adequate suppliers, and in the short term the problem will be solved.

This is the whole propaganda. This is not going to happen
Some news show as if the world is going to collapse - and this will never happen. Be positive and everything will be okie.

The problem, for those who do not believe in this prediction, is that there has already been an identical case in history. Moreover, which is very important - last time it was essentially the same Russia! History is cyclical, and Russia is trying to prove it to us with its experience
Moreover, the analogy is more than clear - from the sanctions applied to the USSR / RF, to the conduct of a sadistic terrorist war in the neighboring country of Afghanistan / Ukraine. Moreover, there are many other events that will simply lead to the fact that Russia will remain isolated from the main market, and become an appendage of China and let there be India. But on this "friendship" you will not raise the Russian economy, and even more so you will not save it. The problem is that China and India will squeeze out of Russia, for a penny, everything they need (oil / gas), and then they will be thrown out like an unnecessary bald, dystrophic kitten. China benefits and even needs economic relations with the West, on which it is highly dependent. China's export-oriented economy! And Russia is not a market, it is a raw material appendage. Who will China choose?

[pooya87]

In the USSR,

It's cute that you think I care about USSR or Russia for that matter

1. Yesterday's news - Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, at the request of the United States, announced an increase in oil production to 13 million barrels per day (currently at 10 million). That is, the market will receive 3 million barrels more daily. Is it a lot or a little?

First we have to see if they actually increase production that much and if Aramco is going to blow up again cutting the current production by another 50% dropping 10 million to 5!
By the way EU imports between 13 to 15 million barrels of oil per day.

2. Iran. Southern Azadegan. Who does not know - a large oil field in Iran, separated from the Azadegan field in 2006. Recoverable oil reserves in Azadegan are 9 billion barrels (about 1.2 billion tons), or 1/8 of ALL RESERVES of Russian oil (mostly difficult to produce). Now the field is already producing oil and is actively developing.

None of it will go to the West though.
Iran is selling some small amounts to the West which there is no plan to increase it in near term. For example we recently learned from the US senator that the US Navy, the same Navy that idiot called Trump threatened Iran with, has been running on Iranian fuel LOL.

By the way, the daily production of natural gas at the 11th phase of the South Pars field will be 14 million cubic meters!

Same with gas, none of it will go to the West.

At the same time, I do not exclude at all that such countries as Venezuela, Iran - can make a "deal with the investigation", or rather with the United States and in exchange for oil supplies to the US market (primarily Venezuela), and the EU (more likely Iran), and gain more loyalty and lift some sanctions....

Although when it comes to politics we can't talk in absolutes but this is not possible. You see the problem is that more than 60% of the world is under US sanctions one way or another. So at some point it is US that is under sanction by the majority of the world.

What you are also forgetting is that the current war is between East and West not between Russia and Ukraine.
In this face off, Iran is in the Eastern bloc and is becoming the center of all trades. In other words there hasn't been any need to export anything (more than what existed for years) to the "West".
South America is also a region that US has been losing for some time, almost all countries there are moving to Anti-US governments and most of them are playing with the Eastern bloc too. Fun fact: for the first time in history a foreign super power (Iran) is going to hold military drills close to US waters next month with Venezuela (bye bye Monroe Doctrine haha).

1. Russian oil exports will irreversibly lose the European market. At what without harm to the EU but with huge losses for Russia.

Russian economy is harmed and will be harmed but nowhere near as much as EU economy is and will be.
Remember the Iranian tanker that Greece seized and was later forced to give back? That is carrying Russian oil to Western Europe.
In other words EU will continue funding the Russian invasion.

2. Will the active development of production in Iran lead to increased price competition in the Chinese and Indian hydrocarbon markets?

No because there is an alliance between Iran and China which India also wants to be part of. Not to mention that the increased production is because of increased demand, all of which came from the East not the West since Iran is still under Western sanctions (or as I said West is under Iranian sanctions, yesterday alone 61 Americans were sanctioned by Iran).

I understand perfectly well that these countries have no other buyers,

Iran has been selling its energy to more than a hundred different countries including United States.

3. Countries dependent on Russia's "antics" in the hydrocarbon market will very quickly find adequate suppliers, and in the short term the problem will be solved.

It's been 5 moths bro, how much longer is "short term"?

[DrBeer]

1. Yesterday's news - Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, at the request of the United States, announced an increase in oil production to 13 million barrels per day (currently at 10 million). That is, the market will receive 3 million barrels more daily. Is it a lot or a little?

First we have to see if they actually increase production that much and if Aramco is going to blow up again cutting the current production by another 50% dropping 10 million to 5!
By the way EU imports between 13 to 15 million barrels of oil per day.

Look how interesting it turns out - you believe the idiotic propaganda from the Kremlin and take their statements as the only truth, but here "you still have to look" Do not measure everything in Russia - they systematically lie only in Russia! What you will soon see!

2. Iran. Southern Azadegan. Who does not know - a large oil field in Iran, separated from the Azadegan field in 2006. Recoverable oil reserves in Azadegan are 9 billion barrels (about 1.2 billion tons), or 1/8 of ALL RESERVES of Russian oil (mostly difficult to produce). Now the field is already producing oil and is actively developing.

None of it will go to the West though.
Iran is selling some small amounts to the West which there is no plan to increase it in near term. For example we recently learned from the US senator that the US Navy, the same Navy that idiot called Trump threatened Iran with, has been running on Iranian fuel LOL.

I absolutely agree that Iran will not sell everything to the West. I even wrote below - everything will go to the markets of China and India, where Iran will compete by dumping oil supplies. You don't need anything else

At the same time, I do not exclude at all that such countries as Venezuela, Iran - can make a "deal with the investigation", or rather with the United States and in exchange for oil supplies to the US market (primarily Venezuela), and the EU (more likely Iran), and gain more loyalty and lift some sanctions....

Although when it comes to politics we can't talk in absolutes but this is not possible. You see the problem is that more than 60% of the world is under US sanctions one way or another. So at some point it is US that is under sanction by the majority of the world.

What you are also forgetting is that the current war is between East and West not between Russia and Ukraine.
In this face off, Iran is in the Eastern bloc and is becoming the center of all trades. In other words there hasn't been any need to export anything (more than what existed for years) to the "West".
South America is also a region that US has been losing for some time, almost all countries there are moving to Anti-US governments and most of them are playing with the Eastern bloc too. Fun fact: for the first time in history a foreign super power (Iran) is going to hold military drills close to US waters next month with Venezuela (bye bye Monroe Doctrine haha).

About the fact that adamant Russia here is destroying the rotten West, I have been hearing this nonsense for the last 3-4 months ... Since the "great Russia" got into its stupid snout from the Ukrainians, and ran away with a screech from almost half of the occupied territories. I'm sure you noticed how the controversy of the Kremlin propagandists has changed. At first, they gathered heroically and easily to "denify" Ukraine, and after they got hit in the face, they suddenly began to fight with the West. The reason is simple - you can’t tell the Russian cattle, the consumer of propaganda, that they were actually fucked by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which, according to the very propaganda, should have surrendered and scattered in the first weeks! So I had to invent a new fairy tale for unicellular
In short, don't repeat this nonsense anymore, you look stupid, no offense

1. Russian oil exports will irreversibly lose the European market. At what without harm to the EU but with huge losses for Russia.

Russian economy is harmed and will be harmed but nowhere near as much as EU economy is and will be.
Remember the Iranian tanker that Greece seized and was later forced to give back? That is carrying Russian oil to Western Europe.
In other words EU will continue funding the Russian invasion.

I agree, guess!
For some time, due to the impossibility of a quick (months) change in supplies, or rather the ways of supplying gas and oil, the EU, namely Germany, France, most likely Italy and Hungary, will still continue to buy oil and gas in Russia. But this volume will constantly decrease. And in 2-3 years, this flow will dry up. That's right, it will be!

2. Will the active development of production in Iran lead to increased price competition in the Chinese and Indian hydrocarbon markets?

No because there is an alliance between Iran and China which India also wants to be part of. Not to mention that the increased production is because of increased demand, all of which came from the East not the West since Iran is still under Western sanctions (or as I said West is under Iranian sanctions, yesterday alone 61 Americans were sanctioned by Iran).

China, and most likely India, has no partners. The largest countries and economies of the region have only raw material appendages - the same Iran, the same Russia Tell me what is more profitable for China and India in economic relations - the EU and the US markets, which have an almost limitless size for sale and pay with strong currency, or impoverished, backward Russia with a resource economy? With whom will they really "be friends", and whom will they "use" for their own benefits?

3. Countries dependent on Russia's "antics" in the hydrocarbon market will very quickly find adequate suppliers, and in the short term the problem will be solved.

It's been 5 moths bro, how much longer is "short term"?

[/quote]
Don't worry bro - since the new year they are introducing an embargo on the purchase of Russian oil in the EU - we will continue at the end of the first quarter, do not forget to take the 1Q23 report for comparison with 1Q22 on the execution of the Russian budget in terms of oil revenues

[bitgov]

The problem, for those who do not believe in this prediction, is that there has already been an identical case in history. Moreover, which is very important - last time it was essentially the same Russia! History is cyclical, and Russia is trying to prove it to us with its experience
Moreover, the analogy is more than clear - from the sanctions applied to the USSR / RF, to the conduct of a sadistic terrorist war in the neighboring country of Afghanistan / Ukraine. Moreover, there are many other events that will simply lead to the fact that Russia will remain isolated from the main market, and become an appendage of China and let there be India. But on this "friendship" you will not raise the Russian economy, and even more so you will not save it. The problem is that China and India will squeeze out of Russia, for a penny, everything they need (oil / gas), and then they will be thrown out like an unnecessary bald, dystrophic kitten. China benefits and even needs economic relations with the West, on which it is highly dependent. China's export-oriented economy! And Russia is not a market, it is a raw material appendage. Who will China choose?

This Russian war after COVID  war has moved the world all together, But I am not sure about this wheat war.
This is a total propaganda and this will not happen any time sooner.

[pooya87]

Look how interesting it turns out - you believe the idiotic propaganda from the Kremlin and take their statements as the only truth, but here "you still have to look" Do not measure everything in Russia - they systematically lie only in Russia! What you will soon see!

Your insisting on repeating the same idiotic statement is so funny. For your information they said they may increase production to 13 million bpd by 2027 meaning in 5 years not tomorrow or this month or this year.
Not to mention that Saudis are already at war with Yemen and each time they break the cease fire and bomb cities, the Yemenis retaliate by targeting the Saudi infrastructure that includes their oil facilities.

So yeah, we have to wait and see how much of it they can actually fulfill.

I absolutely agree that Iran will not sell everything to the West. I even wrote below - everything will go to the markets of China and India, where Iran will compete by dumping oil supplies. You don't need anything else

Again it has been 5 months and prices have been rising not dumping.

About the fact that adamant Russia here is destroying the rotten West, I have been hearing this nonsense for the last 3-4 months

You've only been listening for the past 3-4 months since you are knee deep in propaganda, this war has been going on for at least 4 decades. It is also not Russia versus the West, it is East versus the West. In fact Russia is the last participant that used to be playing for the West. You seem to have forgotten that Putin once wanted to join NATO!!!

It is also not "destroying" the West, it weakens the West since it is the process of the world moving from a unipolar world to a multipolar world and that change comes with a lot of conflicts, Ukraine invasion is one of them.

the EU, namely Germany, France, most likely Italy and Hungary, will still continue to buy oil and gas in Russia. But this volume will constantly decrease. And in 2-3 years, this flow will dry up.

Let's come back to this in a couple of months when the temperature drops.

China, and most likely India, has no partners. The largest countries and economies of the region have only raw material appendages - the same Iran, the same Russia Tell me what is more profitable for China and India in economic relations - the EU and the US markets, which have an almost limitless size for sale and pay with strong currency, or impoverished, backward Russia with a resource economy? With whom will they really "be friends", and whom will they "use" for their own benefits?

Both, they can't have one without the other. In fact if you look at China's behavior in  the past decades you can clearly see that they want relations with everyone because they can't afford to choose only one side. For example they can't sell crap to EU if they don't have the Iranian energy. Not to mention that both EU and US markets are too fragile and unreliable to only depend on them, we can see how their economy is shrinking fast these days. And that's without the sanctions and trade wars that US keeps starting against China.

But China is still defined in the Eastern bloc and their policies are also defined in the Eastern bloc. If you look at BRICS and SCO you can see what I mean.

[Sithara007]

LOL.. the Saudis will increase their production to 13 million barrels per day by 2027. I really don't think that it is going to happen. They have around 1-2 million barrels per day of spare capacity, and that is not sufficient to increase their output by such an amount. And the Saudi crown price understands that Biden needs something from him, before the mid-term elections of November 2022. Once the elections are over, this announcement will be forgotten and the Saudis will stick to their earlier deal with Russia.

[edgycorner]

I think a sugar crisis is more imminent than wheat.
Brazil is switching to ethanol production from Sugar. Only India can fulfill the void left by Brazil, but India has already restricted sugar export to keep the domestic price low and so has other producers.

I am guessing poor African countries will perish more than others, followed by the middle east  

[inthelongrun]

I think the war is coming to an end within the next few months. Germany and other European countries are fearing shortages of gas supply this winter. I really think they are trying hard to persuade Zelensky and top Ukrainian officials to just give up Crimea and the rebel regions of Donbas and Luhansk in exchange for something like membership in the EU right away and committing billions of euros to rebuild its country. Russia needs to play its cards very well in the next few months if it wants to secure its primary objectives in Ukraine (e.g., Crimea, Donbas, Luhansk, and NATO ban on Ukraine). Russia needs to end this quickly before western Europe can find alternatives for their food, gas, and oil supplies. Food especially wheat maybe difficult to find and expensive nowadays but there will be some countries that can take advantage of this like Australia boosting its wheat supply. Oil and gas are everywhere, it only needs time to construct more ports and tunnels into Europe.

[bakasabo]

I think the war is coming to an end within the next few months. Germany and other European countries are fearing shortages of gas supply this winter. I really think they are trying hard to persuade Zelensky and top Ukrainian officials to just give up Crimea and the rebel regions of Donbas and Luhansk in exchange for something like membership in the EU right away and committing billions of euros to rebuild its country. Russia needs to play its cards very well in the next few months if it wants to secure its primary objectives in Ukraine (e.g., Crimea, Donbas, Luhansk, and NATO ban on Ukraine). Russia needs to end this quickly before western Europe can find alternatives for their food, gas, and oil supplies. Food especially wheat maybe difficult to find and expensive nowadays but there will be some countries that can take advantage of this like Australia boosting its wheat supply. Oil and gas are everywhere, it only needs time to construct more ports and tunnels into Europe.

That is stupid. Then why they were fighting since February ? They could have surrender, or give that land for free. I dont think this was is going to end soon. I expect the end or decrease of Ukraine support by other countries, but some countries will get profitable and unprofitable contracts for natural resources Russia export. Like war in Ukraine was just a reason to reconsider resources prices and other obligations, like this war was sort of an excuse to do something.

[Argoo]

I think the war is coming to an end within the next few months. Germany and other European countries are fearing shortages of gas supply this winter. I really think they are trying hard to persuade Zelensky and top Ukrainian officials to just give up Crimea and the rebel regions of Donbas and Luhansk in exchange for something like membership in the EU right away and committing billions of euros to rebuild its country. Russia needs to play its cards very well in the next few months if it wants to secure its primary objectives in Ukraine (e.g., Crimea, Donbas, Luhansk, and NATO ban on Ukraine). Russia needs to end this quickly before western Europe can find alternatives for their food, gas, and oil supplies. Food especially wheat maybe difficult to find and expensive nowadays but there will be some countries that can take advantage of this like Australia boosting its wheat supply. Oil and gas are everywhere, it only needs time to construct more ports and tunnels into Europe.

Recently, European countries have been looking for and successfully finding suppliers for their countries of oil and gas, so as not to buy them in Russia. These are Azerbaijan, USA, UAE, Egypt, Norway and other countries. There is really a lot of oil and gas in other countries besides Russia. Europe is now realizing what a mistake they made by becoming dependent on their supplies from Russia, and therefore they are looking for other options, even if they temporarily suffer losses.
In addition, Europe also understands that it is no longer possible to give in to Putin, otherwise, after Ukraine, they may already be subjected to military aggression. Therefore, although they are not quite friendly, they still strive to provide all possible military assistance to Ukraine in order to stop Putin with the hands of Ukrainians. At the cost of heavy losses, Ukraine succeeds, and Russia's military power is steadily approaching its collapse. No one is pressing Ukraine to make concessions to Putin's regime. These conclusions are incorrect.

[be.open]

I think the war is coming to an end within the next few months. Germany and other European countries are fearing shortages of gas supply this winter. I really think they are trying hard to persuade Zelensky and top Ukrainian officials to just give up Crimea and the rebel regions of Donbas and Luhansk in exchange for something like membership in the EU right away and committing billions of euros to rebuild its country. Russia needs to play its cards very well in the next few months if it wants to secure its primary objectives in Ukraine (e.g., Crimea, Donbas, Luhansk, and NATO ban on Ukraine). Russia needs to end this quickly before western Europe can find alternatives for their food, gas, and oil supplies. Food especially wheat maybe difficult to find and expensive nowadays but there will be some countries that can take advantage of this like Australia boosting its wheat supply. Oil and gas are everywhere, it only needs time to construct more ports and tunnels into Europe.

Recently, European countries have been looking for and successfully finding suppliers for their countries of oil and gas, so as not to buy them in Russia. These are Azerbaijan, USA, UAE, Egypt, Norway and other countries. There is really a lot of oil and gas in other countries besides Russia. Europe is now realizing what a mistake they made by becoming dependent on their supplies from Russia, and therefore they are looking for other options, even if they temporarily suffer losses.
In addition, Europe also understands that it is no longer possible to give in to Putin, otherwise, after Ukraine, they may already be subjected to military aggression. Therefore, although they are not quite friendly, they still strive to provide all possible military assistance to Ukraine in order to stop Putin with the hands of Ukrainians. At the cost of heavy losses, Ukraine succeeds, and Russia's military power is steadily approaching its collapse. No one is pressing Ukraine to make concessions to Putin's regime. These conclusions are incorrect.

Can you give specific examples of the success that Ukraine has achieved at the cost of heavy losses? Judging by the reports from the fronts, Ukraine is suffering one defeat after another, losing city after city, and every month plans for a decisive counteroffensive are postponed for an indefinite period.

A few words about oil.

1. Yesterday's news - Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, at the request of the United States, announced an increase in oil production to 13 million barrels per day (currently at 10 million). That is, the market will receive 3 million barrels more daily. Is it a lot or a little?
Let's calculate: The level of Russian oil supplies to the EU market is 2.4 million barrels (reference: According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), Russia exported 2.4 million barrels of oil per day to the EU in 2021 - this is slightly more than half of all exports). The total volume of daily sales is approximately 4.6 million barrels per day.
Answer: Saudi Arabia will replace 65% of ALL Russian oil, just by slightly raising production. Or 125% of the EU requirement. It is possible that part of the oil will also go to the United States, and farmers will be saved.

I already want to smoke that shit you smoke too.  

Saudi minister: we see lack of refining capacity in market, not lack of oil

Translation for wishful thinking: Saudi Arabia will adhere to the oil production schedule under the current OPEC + plan, while the crown prince promised Biden to increase capacity to 13 million barrels by 2027. In the language of diplomacy, this means politely sending a fuck so that the interlocutor has the taste of forest berries in his mouth.

[Sithara007]

That is stupid. Then why they were fighting since February ? They could have surrender, or give that land for free. I dont think this was is going to end soon. I expect the end or decrease of Ukraine support by other countries, but some countries will get profitable and unprofitable contracts for natural resources Russia export. Like war in Ukraine was just a reason to reconsider resources prices and other obligations, like this war was sort of an excuse to do something.

It is not stupid and going to the negotiation table will not be interpreted as surrender. Even with full NATO support, Ukraine has failed to halt advances by the Russian troops. Their regular army is all gone, and so are most of the neo-Nazi formations such as Azov and Aidar. Now the fighting is mostly being done by the reserve troops, who are suffering heavy casualties every day. What they need is an immediate ceasefire, so that further territorial and human losses can be prevented. If the fighting doesn't stop, Russia will simply conquer the entire South and East of Ukraine by the end of this year.

[bittraffic]

That is stupid. Then why they were fighting since February ? They could have surrender, or give that land for free. I dont think this was is going to end soon. I expect the end or decrease of Ukraine support by other countries, but some countries will get profitable and unprofitable contracts for natural resources Russia export. Like war in Ukraine was just a reason to reconsider resources prices and other obligations, like this war was sort of an excuse to do something.

It is not stupid and going to the negotiation table will not be interpreted as surrender. Even with full NATO support, Ukraine has failed to halt advances by the Russian troops. Their regular army is all gone, and so are most of the neo-Nazi formations such as Azov and Aidar. Now the fighting is mostly being done by the reserve troops, who are suffering heavy casualties every day. What they need is an immediate ceasefire, so that further territorial and human losses can be prevented. If the fighting doesn't stop, Russia will simply conquer the entire South and East of Ukraine by the end of this year.

That is if Zelenskyy surrenders, think about how we all supported Ukraine and then crash our country's economy because of our support to Ukraine and then all he does is surrender? He'd be branded all his life for that. Zelenskyy will not surrender but there were reports that his generals are going to usurp.

The hunger however will really make people crazy and will think of crazier ideas. The revolts may not be the result of inflation and lack of government's intervention to commodity prices but hunger will start making people steal food and money from the storage of the rich.

[Xampeuu]

That is stupid. Then why they were fighting since February ? They could have surrender, or give that land for free. I dont think this was is going to end soon. I expect the end or decrease of Ukraine support by other countries, but some countries will get profitable and unprofitable contracts for natural resources Russia export. Like war in Ukraine was just a reason to reconsider resources prices and other obligations, like this war was sort of an excuse to do something.

It is not stupid and going to the negotiation table will not be interpreted as surrender. Even with full NATO support, Ukraine has failed to halt advances by the Russian troops. Their regular army is all gone, and so are most of the neo-Nazi formations such as Azov and Aidar. Now the fighting is mostly being done by the reserve troops, who are suffering heavy casualties every day. What they need is an immediate ceasefire, so that further territorial and human losses can be prevented. If the fighting doesn't stop, Russia will simply conquer the entire South and East of Ukraine by the end of this year.

That is if Zelenskyy surrenders, think about how we all supported Ukraine and then crash our country's economy because of our support to Ukraine and then all he does is surrender? He'd be branded all his life for that. Zelenskyy will not surrender but there were reports that his generals are going to usurp.

The hunger however will really make people crazy and will think of crazier ideas. The revolts may not be the result of inflation and lack of government's intervention to commodity prices but hunger will start making people steal food and money from the storage of the rich.

The situation will worsen if the diplomatic route is not carried out immediately, this will not only have an impact on Ukraine but also destabilize the world. Of course, there is a goal to be achieved from the alibis of both parties. and unfortunately there must be victims from civil society who are actually the weakest. and it will be even more messy if the country supporting ukraine has energy difficulties because it depends a lot on russia, so this is not a simple chessboard

[Sithara007]

That is if Zelenskyy surrenders, think about how we all supported Ukraine and then crash our country's economy because of our support to Ukraine and then all he does is surrender? He'd be branded all his life for that. Zelenskyy will not surrender but there were reports that his generals are going to usurp.

The hunger however will really make people crazy and will think of crazier ideas. The revolts may not be the result of inflation and lack of government's intervention to commodity prices but hunger will start making people steal food and money from the storage of the rich.

Once again.. agreeing to a ceasefire is not a surrender. At this point, I don't see any benefit for Ukraine in continuing with the war. Ever day, they are suffering from around 200 military deaths. Some of the officials want to fight to the last Ukrainian, but is that the citizens really want? If a ceasefire is agreed at this point, then most probably Ukraine will be able to keep provinces such as Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Odessa and Mykolaiv. The longer this war lasts, the probability of territorial losses increase. Without the industrial heartland of East Ukraine, the survival of the country will be at risk in the long term.

[be.open]

That is if Zelenskyy surrenders, think about how we all supported Ukraine and then crash our country's economy because of our support to Ukraine and then all he does is surrender? He'd be branded all his life for that. Zelenskyy will not surrender but there were reports that his generals are going to usurp.

The hunger however will really make people crazy and will think of crazier ideas. The revolts may not be the result of inflation and lack of government's intervention to commodity prices but hunger will start making people steal food and money from the storage of the rich.

Once again.. agreeing to a ceasefire is not a surrender. At this point, I don't see any benefit for Ukraine in continuing with the war. Ever day, they are suffering from around 200 military deaths. Some of the officials want to fight to the last Ukrainian, but is that the citizens really want? If a ceasefire is agreed at this point, then most probably Ukraine will be able to keep provinces such as Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Odessa and Mykolaiv. The longer this war lasts, the probability of territorial losses increase. Without the industrial heartland of East Ukraine, the survival of the country will be at risk in the long term.

And what can Ukraine offer Russia in exchange for a ceasefire other than complete surrender? I do not think that a temporary truce will be of interest to Russia when its current military doctrine is showing its effectiveness. In addition, Odessa has a bill for the House of Trade Unions in 2014, and Ukraine will have to pay this bill in full.

[Argoo]

@be.open. By heavy losses on the part of Ukraine, I primarily meant the heavy losses of the civilian population and the destruction of civilian infrastructure, which the Russians are deliberately destroying in this war. Having failed to destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian invaders began to systematically destroy the civilian population, including the elderly, women and children, especially pro-Ukrainian ones, in order to simply intimidate the Ukrainians and break their will to resist. These are purely fascist methods ...

Now about the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. On February 24, Russia, without declaring war, attacked the northern, eastern and southern parts of Ukraine, including from Belarus, with the forces of eight of its most prepared armies for the attack, totaling up to 200,000 soldiers and officers. Moreover, all this army moved to Ukraine with endless columns of armored troops and other military special equipment. The calculation was for a quick, within 3-5 days, the capture of the main territory of Ukraine and a violent change of power in Ukraine. But a month later, Russian troops suffered a significant defeat in manpower and equipment and were forced to flee from the central and northern regions of Ukraine so as not to be completely defeated. Thus ended the first stage of this war, and this was the undoubted success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all Ukrainians.

After that, having received a good rebuff and realizing that they could not capture all of Ukraine, the Putin regime concentrated the main blow on the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine in order to first of all completely capture the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine and, if possible, build a land corridor not only to the occupied since 2014 Crimea, but also Transnistria. But Russia has not yet fulfilled these already limited goals. Now Ukraine has a front with a total length of 2,450 kilometers, and the "second army of the world" has lost almost all of its elite troops and the best military equipment in Ukraine. We can say that the Russian offensive has almost run out of steam. The shortage in Russia is felt both in manpower and in technology. Russia has already thrown almost all of its reserves into Ukraine, while exposing all its regions militarily, and they are being successfully crushed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russia removes from conservation and throws into Ukraine even the old T-62 tanks, which have been in service since the 50s of the last century, and is arming the new replenishment with Mosin rifles of the 1891 model.

During the five months of the war, Russia was unable to achieve any significant success at the front. Of the 25 regional centers of Ukraine, Russian troops only in the first days of a large-scale offensive were able to capture, with little or no resistance, only the regional center Kherson, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are going to liberate in the near future.

During this time, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russia lost 38,550 of its soldiers and officers alone in the dead. According to Russia itself, which is not made public, such losses amount to more than 54,000, and taking into account the wounded, this figure has already exceeded one hundred thousand people. At the same time, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 1,691 Russian tanks, 3,892 armored vehicles, 220 aircraft, 188 helicopters, 831 artillery systems, 249 MLRS, 113 air defense systems, 2,767 military vehicles, 693 UAVs, 15 ships and boats were destroyed.

And this is just the beginning. After receiving only a dozen HIMARS MLRS from the United States, over the past two weeks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have destroyed over 20 different Russian ammunition depots. Because of this, the Russian ammunition depots are removed from the front line by 90 km, which greatly complicates their delivery to the front line, which is why they experience significant difficulties and their offensive is almost bogged down.
Let's see what happens in another two or three months.

[be.open]

@be.open. By heavy losses on the part of Ukraine, I primarily meant the heavy losses of the civilian population and the destruction of civilian infrastructure, which the Russians are deliberately destroying in this war. Having failed to destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian invaders began to systematically destroy the civilian population, including the elderly, women and children, especially pro-Ukrainian ones, in order to simply intimidate the Ukrainians and break their will to resist. These are purely fascist methods ...

Now about the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. On February 24, Russia, without declaring war, attacked the northern, eastern and southern parts of Ukraine, including from Belarus, with the forces of eight of its most prepared armies for the attack, totaling up to 200,000 soldiers and officers. Moreover, all this army moved to Ukraine with endless columns of armored troops and other military special equipment. The calculation was for a quick, within 3-5 days, the capture of the main territory of Ukraine and a violent change of power in Ukraine. But a month later, Russian troops suffered a significant defeat in manpower and equipment and were forced to flee from the central and northern regions of Ukraine so as not to be completely defeated. Thus ended the first stage of this war, and this was the undoubted success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all Ukrainians.

Tell me, what is the source of this information about the hope of the Russians for a lightning blitzkrieg? I don't know of any statements from Russia that they expected to complete this operation in 3-5 days, maybe you can tell me? Or is this a common lie of Ukrainian propaganda?

At the end of April, Ukraine had a chance to end this armed conflict, when the negotiations in Istanbul turned out to be fruitful and common ground was found between the parties. Then Russia, as a gesture of goodwill, withdrew its troops from Kyiv and immediately received a provocation in Bucha.

After that, having received a good rebuff and realizing that they could not capture all of Ukraine, the Putin regime concentrated the main blow on the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine in order to first of all completely capture the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine and, if possible, build a land corridor not only to the occupied since 2014 Crimea, but also Transnistria. But Russia has not yet fulfilled these already limited goals. Now Ukraine has a front with a total length of 2,450 kilometers, and the "second army of the world" has lost almost all of its elite troops and the best military equipment in Ukraine. We can say that the Russian offensive has almost run out of steam. The shortage in Russia is felt both in manpower and in technology. Russia has already thrown almost all of its reserves into Ukraine, while exposing all its regions militarily, and they are being successfully crushed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russia removes from conservation and throws into Ukraine even the old T-62 tanks, which have been in service since the 50s of the last century, and is arming the new replenishment with Mosin rifles of the 1891 model.

During the five months of the war, Russia was unable to achieve any significant success at the front. Of the 25 regional centers of Ukraine, Russian troops only in the first days of a large-scale offensive were able to capture, with little or no resistance, only the regional center Kherson, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are going to liberate in the near future.

During this time, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russia lost 38,550 of its soldiers and officers alone in the dead. According to Russia itself, which is not made public, such losses amount to more than 54,000, and taking into account the wounded, this figure has already exceeded one hundred thousand people. At the same time, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 1,691 Russian tanks, 3,892 armored vehicles, 220 aircraft, 188 helicopters, 831 artillery systems, 249 MLRS, 113 air defense systems, 2,767 military vehicles, 693 UAVs, 15 ships and boats were destroyed.

And this is just the beginning. After receiving only a dozen HIMARS MLRS from the United States, over the past two weeks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have destroyed over 20 different Russian ammunition depots. Because of this, the Russian ammunition depots are removed from the front line by 90 km, which greatly complicates their delivery to the front line, which is why they experience significant difficulties and their offensive is almost bogged down.
Let's see what happens in another two or three months.

We can wait 2-3 years, time works for Russia. The problem for Ukraine is that its territorial losses after the breakdown of negotiations at the end of April will no longer be limited to the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Now Russia needs the entire south of Ukraine for a land corridor in Transnistria. Odessa is a Russian city. Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkiv and Kherson too. And you will have to learn to live in this new reality.

[DrBeer]

Look how interesting it turns out - you believe the idiotic propaganda from the Kremlin and take their statements as the only truth, but here "you still have to look" Do not measure everything in Russia - they systematically lie only in Russia! What you will soon see!

Your insisting on repeating the same idiotic statement is so funny. For your information they said they may increase production to 13 million bpd by 2027 meaning in 5 years not tomorrow or this month or this year.
Not to mention that Saudis are already at war with Yemen and each time they break the cease fire and bomb cities, the Yemenis retaliate by targeting the Saudi infrastructure that includes their oil facilities.

So yeah, we have to wait and see how much of it they can actually fulfill.
....

For pretending to be adequate, I bring the information:
- "Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed bin Salman agreed to increase production by about 4 million barrels per day - up to 13 million during a speech at the opening of the summit with Arab leaders," i.e. 1 million per year, starting in 2023. Converging? I continue

- "In a joint statement, Biden noted that Saudi Arabia has committed itself to maintaining the balance of the global oil market for stable economic growth. The kingdom will also increase oil production by 50% in July and August. This is expected to stabilize markets and prices. for oil." - you, as if adequate and not an idiot, understand what they are doing? July / August + 50% to current production - to form a reserve, most likely in the EU, in preparation for a ban on the supply of terrorist oil from January 2023. And then a systematic increase in production, with full compensation for the full need of the EU during the year. At the same time, you will soon find out that more oil will come to the EU market from ... Well, let it be a surprise for you .... September / October is not so long to wait already
But by mid-2023, it seems that Russia will pay extra to China and India to take their oil. Laugh "the smartest"

Yes, for the rest of your propaganda nonsense from this post, I just feel sorry for wasting time! Let your post remain just in history so that you can add up your portrait

[Sithara007]

For pretending to be adequate, I bring the information:
- "Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed bin Salman agreed to increase production by about 4 million barrels per day - up to 13 million during a speech at the opening of the summit with Arab leaders," i.e. 1 million per year, starting in 2023. Converging? I continue
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Your numbers doesn't make sense. Saudi Arabia currently produces around 11 million barrels of oil per day. They can add another 2 million at the most (which I doubt), but this is not enough to replace the 11 million barrels that Russia pump every day.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-07-20/saudi-arabia-reveals-oil-output-is-near-its-ceiling

The first part of his announcement was well known. In 2020, Riyadh instructed its state-owned oil giant Saudi Aramco to embark on a multiyear, multibillion-dollar program to boost its maximum production capacity to 13 million barrels by 2027, up from 12 million. The project is ongoing, with the first small additions coming online in 2024 followed by larger ones in the following three years.

The first additions (very small albeit) are being planned for 2024 and it is still 2 years away. Most of the net additions are being scheduled for 2025-27. To summarize, Biden returned from Saudi Arabia empty handed. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told him to GTFO.

[pooya87]

I am guessing poor African countries will perish more than others, followed by the middle east 

I hesitate to predict these things but I can tell you that there are good plans in motion to prevent the catastrophe in both West Asia (aka Middle east) and Africa, at least Northern part. One of the plans is Iran increasing its production, recently we received 1 million hectare of fertile land for agriculture in one of the best places for it in Venezuela. That alone is equal to between 16% to 20% of what Ukraine used to produce (3-4 ton).
There are other similar cases.

Considering the fact that the domestic needs are already met, this extra production would most probably be sold in West Asia and Africa.

No one is pressing Ukraine to make concessions to Putin's regime.

I can't say what is considered "pressing" but on multiple occasions different politicians have told Zelensky to give up territories to Russia without resistance to end the war. The biggest example I can think of is the French president Emmanuel Macron.

[Oluwa-btc]

I think a sugar crisis is more imminent than wheat.
Brazil is switching to ethanol production from Sugar. Only India can fulfill the void left by Brazil, but India has already restricted sugar export to keep the domestic price low and so has other producers.

I am guessing poor African countries will perish more than others, followed by the middle east  

Some part's of Africa will strive surely in turbulent times since they less producers of almost every fvckn stuff's they use and consumes.
Zimbabwe's a good place that produces  and grows its own food they are big farmers when it comes to Agriculture in general, I'm not sure if they import them fertilizers used for farming by the way. But they can improvise by generating its own manures artificially using dead matters ( dead animals and plants all together in a pit dugged far away from them farms if not even close )

Nigerians are also good farmers but lately everyone looking for quick funds and have dumped Agriculture for quick cash not knowing that in the next ten years humans will still eat food. Honestly, Agriculture is a good investment if the right things are done.
We have some pretty good farmers in the Western part of Nigeria and also a part in the South called (Uyo).

[DrBeer]

For pretending to be adequate, I bring the information:
- "Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed bin Salman agreed to increase production by about 4 million barrels per day - up to 13 million during a speech at the opening of the summit with Arab leaders," i.e. 1 million per year, starting in 2023. Converging? I continue
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Your numbers doesn't make sense. Saudi Arabia currently produces around 11 million barrels of oil per day. They can add another 2 million at the most (which I doubt), but this is not enough to replace the 11 million barrels that Russia pump every day.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-07-20/saudi-arabia-reveals-oil-output-is-near-its-ceiling

The first part of his announcement was well known. In 2020, Riyadh instructed its state-owned oil giant Saudi Aramco to embark on a multiyear, multibillion-dollar program to boost its maximum production capacity to 13 million barrels by 2027, up from 12 million. The project is ongoing, with the first small additions coming online in 2024 followed by larger ones in the following three years.

The first additions (very small albeit) are being planned for 2024 and it is still 2 years away. Most of the net additions are being scheduled for 2025-27. To summarize, Biden returned from Saudi Arabia empty handed. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told him to GTFO.

What touches me in the behavior of the victims of Russian propaganda is that even the original speech of the information carrier is "not true"! But the opinion of an "expert" built on propaganda stuffing is an undeniable truth ))

I will say this - if a person refuses reality and lives on far-fetched fakes - this is his personal problem. Also, his personal problem is cognitive dissonance, which he will sooner or later get, because. propaganda fakes will always be destroyed by reality. I look at such people with a smile - after all, sooner or later they have real problems, in real life, although in "pleasant soul" fakes everything should be fine

[Sithara007]

What touches me in the behavior of the victims of Russian propaganda is that even the original speech of the information carrier is "not true"! But the opinion of an "expert" built on propaganda stuffing is an undeniable truth ))

I will say this - if a person refuses reality and lives on far-fetched fakes - this is his personal problem. Also, his personal problem is cognitive dissonance, which he will sooner or later get, because. propaganda fakes will always be destroyed by reality. I look at such people with a smile - after all, sooner or later they have real problems, in real life, although in "pleasant soul" fakes everything should be fine

It is not propaganda, but common sense. Do you really want us to believe that Saudi Arabia will increase the production of it's main export commodity (crude oil), so that the market price will go down and finally result in less revenues for that country? Because of the sanctions, Saudi crude is now trading at a hefty premium to the Brent crude prices. Fortunately, the Europeans are picking up the bill, as most of the Asian buyers have shifted to crude from Russia, Iran and Iraq. You can check the prices here:

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#prices

[bittraffic]

What touches me in the behavior of the victims of Russian propaganda is that even the original speech of the information carrier is "not true"! But the opinion of an "expert" built on propaganda stuffing is an undeniable truth ))

I will say this - if a person refuses reality and lives on far-fetched fakes - this is his personal problem. Also, his personal problem is cognitive dissonance, which he will sooner or later get, because. propaganda fakes will always be destroyed by reality. I look at such people with a smile - after all, sooner or later they have real problems, in real life, although in "pleasant soul" fakes everything should be fine

It is not propaganda, but common sense. Do you really want us to believe that Saudi Arabia will increase the production of it's main export commodity (crude oil), so that the market price will go down and finally result in less revenues for that country? Because of the sanctions, Saudi crude is now trading at a hefty premium to the Brent crude prices. Fortunately, the Europeans are picking up the bill, as most of the Asian buyers have shifted to crude from Russia, Iran and Iraq. You can check the prices here:

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#prices

Saudi is a member of OPEC, literally a gas an oil cartel. There is nothing they would want but a higher price. Like any cartel in the world they would rather be hoarding something whether it be wheat, gas, oil or garlic to make more profit in the coming months.

In the news recently, Russia was trying to do the maintenance of the pipeline going to Germany, and rumor has it that they may not put it back again for whatever reason they may give. Of course, reason may be true or not but it will still be means like sanction as they were also sanctioned.
We're all losing here.

[Sithara007]

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In the news recently, Russia was trying to do the maintenance of the pipeline going to Germany, and rumor has it that they may not put it back again for whatever reason they may give. Of course, reason may be true or not but it will still be means like sanction as they were also sanctioned.
We're all losing here.

EU guys were getting paranoid for no concrete reason. Russia has resumed gas flows through Nord Stream. Similar to the case before 11th July, the pipeline will operate at 40% capacity, because Canada hasn't returned one of the turbines that was sent for repair. Now Russia is at a higher moral ground. Despite the sanctions being imposed on them by the EU, they are fulfilling their contract obligations. The US LNG exporters and Qatar is going to be bitterly disappointed, as they were dreaming of prices in the vicinity of $2,500 per thousand cubic meters.

[stompix]

The US LNG exporters and Qatar is going to be bitterly disappointed, as they were dreaming of prices in the vicinity of $2,500 per thousand cubic meters.

So this move where the gas gets cheaper is bad for the US and of course is bad for Europe too because, well reasons.....

I have to bow myself down to the god of all logic:
- Russia cuts the gas, the price goes over $2500, wait who uses cubic feet in European deliveries?  , so Europe is fucked
- Russia is not cutting the gas, gas goes down in price as deposits are getting full, and both Europe and the US, and Qatar are screwed.
- Russia is out of potatoes, Europe will die of hunger
- Russia can't afford to put airbags in their cars, European industry is collapsing

EU guys were getting paranoid for no concrete reason.Now Russia is at a higher moral ground.

Yeah, they have the moral high ground since February 18th when they were publishing pictures of their army retreating to their bases in Russia and calling the west paranoid over a possible invasion of Ukraine.

Russia will not cut the gas to Europe, they know this is their last card and if they lay it they have nothing.
Just like a blackmailer who threatens you, it will release something or it will bomb something unless you give him money, the moment he actually blows up the bomb he knows he won't be getting anything. Same with Russia, if it cuts the gas it's the end of it, there is nothing more to threaten the west and nobody will want to deal with them again because if they do cut it once who guarantees it won't happen again!

So your dream of half of the population of Germany freezing to death will not happen either!

[Sithara007]

^^^ LOL.. Russia doesn't need to cut the gas to Europe, if it want the Europeans to suffer. The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves. And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete. Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

[Argoo]

@be.open. It is a little strange that you need to prove something that is not disputed even now by the highest political and military leadership of Russia. In social networks, there is also a lot of evidence from the Russian army that before the invasion of Ukraine they were told that the people of Ukraine would meet them as liberators with flowers and that this "special operation" would take several days, and therefore they were provided with dry rations for three days . (True, these dry rations had an expired shelf life of several years). In addition, the military leadership of Russia did not worry about organizing the food for its troops during the seizure of Ukraine. Already when the Russian troops met a worthy rebuff from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and got bogged down in protracted battles in Ukraine, an order was issued for the invaders to provide themselves with food, that is, to rob shops and the population in Ukraine.

Russian intelligence was very wrong about the resistance of the Ukrainians because the Kremlin generously funded the subversive work in Ukraine. Only to one of the leaders of the opposition party in Ukraine, Medvedchuk, the Putin regime allocated about five billion dollars for the corresponding work on the unhindered occupation of Ukraine. This money was appropriated, and in return, cheerful reports were sent to Russia about the success of the work done. This was also the basis for Putin's subsequent decision to attack Ukraine.

And now Putin does not know how to end the war he unleashed, because he is suffering a military defeat in it. By the way, Russian troops did not capture Kyiv. They reached the suburbs of Kyiv, but soon they were defeated there and expelled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russia now explains the shameful escape from the central and northern regions of Ukraine as a gesture of goodwill. As well as the flight from the captured Zmeiny Island after the sinking of the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "Moskva" and several smaller ships and boats. It seems that the Kremlin will also explain the flight from all over Ukraine as a gesture of goodwill.

[be.open]

@be.open. It is a little strange that you need to prove something that is not disputed even now by the highest political and military leadership of Russia. In social networks, there is also a lot of evidence from the Russian army that before the invasion of Ukraine they were told that the people of Ukraine would meet them as liberators with flowers and that this "special operation" would take several days, and therefore they were provided with dry rations for three days . (True, these dry rations had an expired shelf life of several years). In addition, the military leadership of Russia did not worry about organizing the food for its troops during the seizure of Ukraine. Already when the Russian troops met a worthy rebuff from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and got bogged down in protracted battles in Ukraine, an order was issued for the invaders to provide themselves with food, that is, to rob shops and the population in Ukraine.

Russian intelligence was very wrong about the resistance of the Ukrainians because the Kremlin generously funded the subversive work in Ukraine. Only to one of the leaders of the opposition party in Ukraine, Medvedchuk, the Putin regime allocated about five billion dollars for the corresponding work on the unhindered occupation of Ukraine. This money was appropriated, and in return, cheerful reports were sent to Russia about the success of the work done. This was also the basis for Putin's subsequent decision to attack Ukraine.

And yet, can you provide such proof? Not in the form of fantasies of employees of the center of psychological operations from social networks, but in the form of official statements of any high-ranking officials from Russia?

And now Putin does not know how to end the war he unleashed, because he is suffering a military defeat in it. By the way, Russian troops did not capture Kyiv. They reached the suburbs of Kyiv, but soon they were defeated there and expelled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russia now explains the shameful escape from the central and northern regions of Ukraine as a gesture of goodwill. As well as the flight from the captured Zmeiny Island after the sinking of the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "Moskva" and several smaller ships and boats. It seems that the Kremlin will also explain the flight from all over Ukraine as a gesture of goodwill.

There will be no more goodwill gestures, Ukraine did not use its chance.

[STT]

It was never a good idea for Germany to rely on Russia for energy to this extent, current events emphasize that but it was true a year, a decade or twenty years ago that energy security is important to an economy and they simply acted poorly chasing prices.  Path of least resistance is often going to put a country down a drain, no special take on what is Russia doing now or next required to observe that  repeated effect.

the Saudis will increase their production to 13 million barrels per day by 2027

If prices remain elevated above 100 for many years it would be places like Venezuela or other challenging production that probably combats the highest prices from occurring.  Venezuela  has larger reserves of oil then Saudi Arabia but SA has the cheapest production where as we know Venezuela is another car crash government failed economy, I'd hope they can turn that around.  Similarly Nigeria, Libya or other challenging areas like parts of Canada would lead to higher production I would expect higher commodity prices promote  greater production for oil, wheat or anything but the short term shock effect especially where we had poor planning is unfortunate.


https://newsrnd.com/life/2022-07-21-turning-to-wheat--ukraine-and-russia-sign-the-agreement.HyIu9Xw3c.html

[be.open]

It was never a good idea for Germany to rely on Russia for energy to this extent, current events emphasize that but it was true a year, a decade or twenty years ago that energy security is important to an economy and they simply acted poorly chasing prices.  Path of least resistance is often going to put a country down a drain, no special take on what is Russia doing now or next required to observe that  repeated effect.

On the one hand, this is true, but on the other hand, this is what made Germany the leader and locomotive of the European Union. Also, do not forget that the European Union has very strong antitrust laws, including in terms of energy security. The heavy reliance on Russian energy supplies in Germany has been formed not so much by Russian efforts as by the efforts of the Green Party, which made an adventurous bet on renewable energy that did not work. According to the IMF, the complete rejection of Russian gas will cost Germany a loss of 4.8% of GDP (this is more than the estimate of the reduction in Russia's GDP from all Western sanctions).

However, we digress from the red thread of this topic. In the meantime, with the mediation of Turkey, the issue with the export of Ukrainian wheat seems to have been resolved. The talk was about a measly 20 million tons (Russia has already exported twice as much this year).

[stompix]

The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves.

Again with the predictions, master strategist?
Should I offer you for the third time a bet that what you predict as always will not happen?
Since you've posted this shit about 10000 times I guess it earned you enough to put a 0.1BTC where your mouth is, or as always you're all talk and no spine?

And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete.

Oh yeah, german manufacturing will be completely destroyed because the 2.2 trillion economies will have to pay 31 billion more on gas.
Out of which 15% goes to electricity that can be prepared and 30% goes to heating which is not doing any manufacturing at all.

Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy, their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

How long can an 18 trillion economy subsidize energy imports when all the exports of fossil fuel from Russia are worth 300 billion? Yeah, lol.
Again, you're just blabbing the same mantra about cheap products ignoring one fact!

European products have never been cheaper that the competition! Never!
People buy German machinery not because it's cheaper they buy it because the Germans are the only ones that make it in some cases and they buy it for the quality. Nobody buys a Mercedes because is cheap, nobody buys Siemens turbine ...lol, why do you think China imports so much from Germany?
The EU industry will collapse? Then you could say goodbye to chips as ASML is the only company in the world that builds lithography equipment for both Samsung and TSMC.

However, we digress from the red thread of this topic. In the meantime, with the mediation of Turkey, the issue with the export of Ukrainian wheat seems to have been resolved. The talk was about a measly 20 million tons (Russia has already exported stolen twice as much this year).

FTFY. You're welcome.

[pooya87]

^^^ LOL.. Russia doesn't need to cut the gas to Europe, if it want the Europeans to suffer. The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves. And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete. Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

It's not stupidity though; it's just that 95% of European regimes are caught up in a much bigger game. Their countries have been a pawn in that game ever since WWII. So for example England that doesn't rely on Russian energy like Germany does could force rules upon the union to ban such imports. Germany that is desperate for the energy is too weak and lacks independence to oppose it. If such rules were to be enforced on them, it'd their country that falls apart.

It's the repetition of what happened to Lithuania. Those who are sitting far away in safely forced Lithuania to increase tensions with Russia and Lithuania was too weak to oppose that decision apart from some statements in the media. After nukes were stationed in Belarus and assets moved in place to invade Lithuania or at least take the Suwałki Gap the decision had to be reversed or risk the Union falling apart!
(If this sounds very similar to what happened to Ukraine that's because it is.)

This is why some analysts believe that European Union could be coming to an end. Specially if it continues benefiting one or two countries while ruining the rest.

[DrBeer]

I already want to smoke that shit you smoke too.  

Translation for wishful thinking: Saudi Arabia will adhere to the oil production schedule under the current OPEC + plan, while the crown prince promised Biden to increase capacity to 13 million barrels by 2027. In the language of diplomacy, this means politely sending a fuck so that the interlocutor has the taste of forest berries in his mouth.

That is, you are tired of eating shit, decided to smoke it? No no no - until the end of your life, slurp it with a big spoon from a deep pan of Russian propaganda
You can translate texts however you like. Look for the most illogical logical conclusions. You can just out of habit invent and lie. There is only one problem - reality does not change from your lies! How could you not! Only your artificial false little world is changing, within the framework of Russia!
And there will be an increase in oil production. This is a classic spiral of history - at the last turn of history, the rotten USSR was easily and naturally sent to the next world. And sending a pathetic backward Russia after the USSR will not be a big deal

....
And what can Ukraine offer Russia in exchange for a ceasefire other than complete surrender? I do not think that a temporary truce will be of interest to Russia when its current military doctrine is showing its effectiveness. In addition, Odessa has a bill for the House of Trade Unions in 2014, and Ukraine will have to pay this bill in full.

Ukraine can give freedom to the peoples enslaved by Russia! Ukraine can enable Russia to forget its Nazi greatness and become, in a few decades, a more or less adequate country. Ukraine will allow Russia to return to its historical past - a gray Asian country on the outskirts of civilization
About Odessa - yes, for trying to bring peace to the Russians in Odessa, Russia will also pay in full, and even more Rashists will be sent to the next world. Just don’t start your propaganda fable about “crucified boys” and “raped grandmothers”, so beloved by all Russians

[bitgov]

^^^ LOL.. Russia doesn't need to cut the gas to Europe, if it want the Europeans to suffer. The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves. And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete. Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

Whatever it is - this game has put all the world in very difficult situation
The power game is horrible and results are more horrible - everywhere people seem to be in trouble - the covid war was not over and we came into another war and than another crisis and so on and so forth.

[bitgov]

Ukraine can give freedom to the peoples enslaved by Russia! Ukraine can enable Russia to forget its Nazi greatness and become, in a few decades, a more or less adequate country. Ukraine will allow Russia to return to its historical past - a gray Asian country on the outskirts of civilization
About Odessa - yes, for trying to bring peace to the Russians in Odessa, Russia will also pay in full, and even more Rashists will be sent to the next world. Just don’t start your propaganda fable about “crucified boys” and “raped grandmothers”, so beloved by all Russians

Now - Biden after creating all the mess has rushed to the Saudia for oil and gas supply. And Saudia did a good answer too.
I was saying in the forum that everyone wants ban on Russia - where Russia is not a weak country and they oil and gas. So now the whole European Union including the USA is in trouble.

[bboyz]

The grain crisis has been resolved for now. Turkey's mediation softened the atmosphere. A way of salvation has been opened for people who are in danger of a grain crisis. Also, normalization in grain prices started after this diplomatic initiative. I call it a good day for humanity.

https://youtu.be/JXjO_nohjCk

[pooya87]

The grain crisis has been resolved for now. Turkey's mediation softened the atmosphere. A way of salvation has been opened for people who are in danger of a grain crisis. Also, normalization in grain prices started after this diplomatic initiative. I call it a good day for humanity.

https://youtu.be/JXjO_nohjCk

I wouldn't jump into conclusion that everything is resolved just like that, specially since Erdogan was brought to Iran to be reprimanded and considering that he has lost everything in the new world order and he was threatening to destabilize Syria and Iraq a bone had to be thrown for him to bite on for the time being.

Nevertheless, this was a small positive news ~2 weeks ago.

[DrBeer]

Ukraine can give freedom to the peoples enslaved by Russia! Ukraine can enable Russia to forget its Nazi greatness and become, in a few decades, a more or less adequate country. Ukraine will allow Russia to return to its historical past - a gray Asian country on the outskirts of civilization
About Odessa - yes, for trying to bring peace to the Russians in Odessa, Russia will also pay in full, and even more Rashists will be sent to the next world. Just don’t start your propaganda fable about “crucified boys” and “raped grandmothers”, so beloved by all Russians

Now - Biden after creating all the mess has rushed to the Saudia for oil and gas supply. And Saudia did a good answer too.
I was saying in the forum that everyone wants ban on Russia - where Russia is not a weak country and they oil and gas. So now the whole European Union including the USA is in trouble.

I have to disappoint you You can treat Biden differently, but the result of his trip to Saudi Arabia has already yielded results. Yes, and I’ll disappoint you again - Iraq also INCREASED THE SUPPLY OF OIL TO EUROPE

"Saudi Arabia and Iraq increased oil exports to Europe
July 23, 2022, 01:26
Saudi Arabia and Iraq are increasing oil supplies to the European market, where buyers are gradually abandoning energy imports from Russia, Bloomberg reports, citing shipping tracking data.

Saudi Arabia is sending oil tankers to Egypt, where it will enter the Sumed pipeline, which connects the Ain Sokhna terminal, located on the Red Sea, with the Mediterranean port of Sidi Kerir. There, the oil is again loaded onto tankers and sent to buyers from Europe. In the first three weeks of July, more than 1 million barrels of oil per day flowed through the pipeline, which is twice the volume recorded for the same period in 2021, Bloomberg notes. Compared to the previous month, the volume of oil pumped through Sumed increased by about 200,000 barrels per day, TASS reports.

Iraq, unlike Saudi Arabia, supplies oil to the European market only by sea. In July, tankers sailing from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean through the Suez Canal carried about 1.2 million barrels of oil per day. Most of this oil was shipped in Iraq, according to Bloomberg. Thus, the total volume of oil supplies from the Middle East to Europe could grow to 2.2 million barrels per day, which is almost 90% more than in January 2022.
....."
https://vz.ru/news/2022/7/23/1168999.html


The funny thing is that the SA and Iraq will now FOREVER occupy this niche with good prices, and Russia has FOREVER lost this market and these volumes, and is now forced to either reduce oil production or continue to sell it for a penny to China and India, which simply have Russia as they want, because Russia has no more normal buyers

[bboyz]

The grain crisis has been resolved for now. Turkey's mediation softened the atmosphere. A way of salvation has been opened for people who are in danger of a grain crisis. Also, normalization in grain prices started after this diplomatic initiative. I call it a good day for humanity.

https://youtu.be/JXjO_nohjCk

I wouldn't jump into conclusion that everything is resolved just like that, specially since Erdogan was brought to Iran to be reprimanded and considering that he has lost everything in the new world order and he was threatening to destabilize Syria and Iraq a bone had to be thrown for him to bite on for the time being.

Nevertheless, this was a small positive news ~2 weeks ago.

There is no need to look for deep meanings under this beautiful step taken in the name of humanity.

Türkiye is a self-sufficient country in grain production. If Turkey wanted to, it could turn its back on this problem. But this behavior would not be good behavior for the rest of the world. Also, Türkiye is almost the only country that can have diplomatic relations with Russia and Ukraine at the same time. We need to be able to talk to solve problems. So, whatever the problem, we should not close the channels of dialogue. Also, Türkiye is the only country in the region to fight terrorist organizations such as YPG, PKK and DAESH at the same time. These organizations have harmed thousands of civilians. They are the common problem of humanity. Türkiye cares about security in the region and is making efforts for it. Ships that will act under the control of Türkiye will follow a safe route. Russia and Ukraine have no doubts about this. As a result, there would be no better mediator for this problem.

[DrBeer]

The grain crisis has been resolved for now. Turkey's mediation softened the atmosphere. A way of salvation has been opened for people who are in danger of a grain crisis. Also, normalization in grain prices started after this diplomatic initiative. I call it a good day for humanity.

https://youtu.be/JXjO_nohjCk

I wouldn't jump into conclusion that everything is resolved just like that, specially since Erdogan was brought to Iran to be reprimanded and considering that he has lost everything in the new world order and he was threatening to destabilize Syria and Iraq a bone had to be thrown for him to bite on for the time being.

Nevertheless, this was a small positive news ~2 weeks ago.

There is no need to look for deep meanings under this beautiful step taken in the name of humanity.

Türkiye is a self-sufficient country in grain production. If Turkey wanted to, it could turn its back on this problem. But this behavior would not be good behavior for the rest of the world. Also, Türkiye is almost the only country that can have diplomatic relations with Russia and Ukraine at the same time. We need to be able to talk to solve problems. So, whatever the problem, we should not close the channels of dialogue. Also, Türkiye is the only country in the region to fight terrorist organizations such as YPG, PKK and DAESH at the same time. These organizations have harmed thousands of civilians. They are the common problem of humanity. Türkiye cares about security in the region and is making efforts for it. Ships that will act under the control of Türkiye will follow a safe route. Russia and Ukraine have no doubts about this. As a result, there would be no better mediator for this problem.

Turkey has chosen a rather well-thought-out position, from the point of view of the interests of Turkey itself. And it’s hard for me to reproach them, for example, for not fully supporting the sanctions. Sometimes help is more powerful than sanctions, and for example, I am sincerely grateful to the people of Turkey that they supply us with such an excellent means of destroying international terrorists as Bayraktar UAVs and some other means of combating naZism/RashiZm.
But Turkey has a rather pragmatic basis for such a policy - the economic situation in the country is not the best, plus the risks of global regional confrontation are quite high. Therefore, Turkey is trying to maneuver, on the one hand, observing its interests, on the other hand, supporting Ukraine in the fight against terrorists

[Argoo]

The issue of food scarcity is solely because in this era farmers are few. Every one wants a clean job only a few are willing to go dirty for their cents. If mechanised farming gets high sponsorship by government agricultural banks I think many might consider farming as an occupation. Also If nations close down their boarders on importation of food may be the famine that smells close might be alleviated

First of all, it should be noted that an acute shortage of food on the world market arose only when Russia, having attacked Ukraine, also blocked civilian shipping in the Black Sea and blocked the seaports of Ukraine. At the same time, Russia began to fire at absolutely peaceful civilian ships under various flags of other states, thus damaging nine ships and sinking one ship. That is, Russia began to behave like a robber on land and like a pirate at sea.

The Kremlin agreed to remove the blocked 24 million tons of wheat and other Ukrainian grain from its ports when the problem was raised by world states, as well as the UN and then, in exchange for a partial lifting of sanctions on its grain. Having signed the corresponding agreement, Russia immediately violated it by firing high-precision missiles at a granary in the port of Odessa for 24 hours.

Taking into account the commission of mass military crimes of Russian troops in Ukraine, and the behavior of its Black Sea Fleet at sea, at the request of Ukraine, the US Congress spoke in favor of recognizing Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism.
Probably, the prospect of obtaining such a status frightened Putin, so yesterday the first ship with Ukrainian grain safely arrived at the port of Turkey. However, what Russia has already done is quite enough for it to receive the status of a state-terrorist and a state-an accomplice of terrorism.

[DrBeer]

^^^ LOL.. Russia doesn't need to cut the gas to Europe, if it want the Europeans to suffer. The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves. And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete. Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

Whatever it is - this game has put all the world in very difficult situation
The power game is horrible and results are more horrible - everywhere people seem to be in trouble - the covid war was not over and we came into another war and than another crisis and so on and so forth.

I agree, over the past couple of years, the world has gone through very difficult times. But a new war, if you do not destroy the source of aggression, will be guaranteed to kill people! They will be killed by the new brown plague that Russia has brought to the world. The last war claimed the lives of several hundred million people... Just the other day, the petty scum Medvedev, being in a state of habitual intoxication, said that Ukraine is not the last goal - then Georgia and Kazakhstan will be destroyed. The Federation Council of the Russian Federation demanded to carry out nuclear strikes in Europe. Capture at least Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. It seems to me that this is a much bigger and real evil and problem than the potential, but temporary reduction in the availability of food and reduced gas consumption.

[Hamza2424]

Thats much interesting now as after the financial crisis now there will be a Wheat crisis but dont be sad its human nature just imagine now first in ancient time our elder fight for the Land then for power and now for the food next its gonna be for the Water after that expect the unexpected for the Oxygen boom. We are dead guys. Its reality we create troubles for our self inventing a product for the solution of current problem creates a new problem future cycle goes on and we don't even realize it.

[DrBeer]

Can you give specific examples of the success that Ukraine has achieved at the cost of heavy losses? Judging by the reports from the fronts, Ukraine is suffering one defeat after another, losing city after city, and every month plans for a decisive counteroffensive are postponed for an indefinite period.

Excuse me - have you been blind for a long time? I'm seriously worried about you! In order not to notice, the liberation of 50% of the occupied territory, and from the "second most powerful army in the world"?

Or can he show how systematically, meter by meter, village by village, the territories of Ukraine in the south are being liberated?

In the east, do not expect any striking counterattacks from the APU, why? There are a lot of separatist traitors there, we will slowly but surely destroy them from far away, like in a shooting range. Together with warehouses and headquarters. The more they are destroyed, the less then they will have to be evicted to Muscovy

Just the other day, for example, quite interesting information came about, about the "cauldron", where they are burning and squealing, asking for a "green corridor", about 2000 fascists from Russia - a great example! I'm quite satisfied!
And soon more HIMARS will arrive, and the Nazis will burn even brighter

[be.open]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

[pooya87]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

"Two of the ships that have left ports in Ukraine ~are going to Turkey~ to England. ~ to Ireland. ~to Italy".
Does the Wheat war get any clearer than this? Even European countries started doing what China has been doing for months, they are gathering and storing as much food as they can, filling up their strategic storages.

"the freed shipments will mean more grain on the world market and consequently lower prices".
I wonder how the handful of countries hoarding food is going to decrease the price on the world market. Specially if they resell a tiny portion of those grains at a much higher price to other countries!

This reminded me of Churchill in WWII and how they stole the food from Indians and caused famine in India, then blamed them for wanting to eat!

[DrBeer]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

Does that really surprise you? ))
The UN, the Red Cross are such moral prostitutes who will squeal for money, any necessary topic - for example, about starving Africans, but not in order to feed them, but only in order to lift some sanctions from the hand of the feeding them Political prostitution, political corruption, dishonesty are the markers of today's world system. It needs to be rebuilt.
If a criminal is given the right to influence decisions and put pressure on international legislative bodies, then let's allow, for example, in simple courts, a person accused of a crime, to dismiss judges, to appoint their own?
Let's put it this way - I personally am not surprised, but I am sure this will be another argument for changing the paradigm of the work of international organizations.

By the way - "political prostitutes" from Amnesty International, with their fake report, have already led to the fact that ... they cease to exist
"Amnesty International will cease to exist because it took the side of evil
The Norwegian branch of Amnesty International left 80 of its members after the report on Ukraine, writes Vårt Land.
The Finnish branch of the human rights organization Amnesty International lost about 400 donors after publishing a report criticizing the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to their deployment in Ukrainian settlements.
Moral prostitution is a shameful occupation!

[WatChe]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

"Two of the ships that have left ports in Ukraine ~are going to Turkey~ to England. ~ to Ireland. ~to Italy".
Does the Wheat war get any clearer than this? Even European countries started doing what China has been doing for months, they are gathering and storing as much food as they can, filling up their strategic storages.

"the freed shipments will mean more grain on the world market and consequently lower prices".
I wonder how the handful of countries hoarding food is going to decrease the price on the world market. Specially if they resell a tiny portion of those grains at a much higher price to other countries!

This reminded me of Churchill in WWII and how they stole the food from Indians and caused famine in India, then blamed them for wanting to eat!

The famine in East Bengal (now Bangladesh) during world war 2 killed around 2 to 4 million people (as per Wikipedia). Actual figures may be more then that. Main reason was UK government hoarding the food supplies and deprived local people from food access. Bodies of people died due to starvation were found near food storages controlled by UK government.
Years have passed but the mentality hasn't changed. Countries you mentioned still prefer there own interest over others.

[stompix]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

From the same website, the same authors, but things you might have missed, just as the Russian artillery does
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/12/world/europe/un-ukraine-grain-africa.html

The first ship hired to carry Ukrainian grain directly to famine-stricken parts of the Horn of Africa since the Russian invasion halted food exports six months ago will arrive in Ukraine on Friday, U.N. officials said.
The U.N.-chartered bulk carrier, the Brave Commander, is expected to dock at the Yuzhny port in southern Ukraine, where it will be loaded with grain purchased by the U.N.’s World Food Program and distributed to “countries worst affected by the global food crisis,” said a spokesman for the program, Steve Taravella.

So far none of the 14 grain-laden vessels that have departed Ukraine are heading to countries facing food shortages. That is largely because they are carrying grain purchased under commercial contracts.

All the ships that are left now till now are the ships that were carrying grain purchased before the war even started, contracted already, now that there is enough capacity to accommodate ships that carry wheat that has been not yet sold, this is going to Africa.
So, stick your propaganda where it belongs!

As for Europe stockpiling wheat, this is just hilarious as Europe exports overall more wheat than Russia does:
https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2348664-frances-global-wheat-exports-to-surge-in-junenovember

French soft wheat exports to countries outside the EU surged in June ahead of a busy line-up for the first half of the new July-June marketing year, owing to a rebound in demand after exports fell short of government targets in 2021-22.
The top export market was Morocco, which took around 209,000t in June, while Algeria and Egypt took 89,000t and 77,000t, respectively, as north African buyers returned to French wheat following muted interest earlier in 2021-22.

And another thing:

French new-crop sales to Egypt reached 520Kt between 30 June – 4 July, surpassing the 265Kt France sold to Egypt during the entire 2021/22 season (stratégie grains). Further to that, it’s reported that Germany has already sold 1Mt of new-crop in advance to buyers in Africa and Iran (Reuters).

What a surprise, seems that after realizing they don't have bullets to shoot all the protesters begging for food in the streets Iran has switched its tactics and started buying food from whoever has it, and miraculously the exact notion in which the supermarkets were empty is keeping Iran from starving.

The famine in East Bengal (now Bangladesh) during world war 2 killed around 2 to 4 million people (as per Wikipedia). Actual figures may be more then that. Main reason was UK government hoarding the food supplies

So it was not the capture of Rangoon the fall of Burma by the Japanese and the sinking of 100 000 tons of food as well as a navy blockade, as the Wikipedia link you've quoted actually says, noted, another re-write of the history to show how bad europeans were.

[pooya87]

You think you have a pretty good understanding of the world then you read about the craziest things happening in the Wild West from eating celebrity [human] meat to eating insects! And they make fun of Chinese people for being crazy eating bats!
There may not be a Wheat War if the Europeans increase eating bugs as European Food Safety Authority is slowly approving more insects to be eaten by them and the companies are starting to commercialize it. lol.

https://www.tastingtable.com/916993/why-europeans-may-soon-begin-eating-more-insects/

[Sithara007]

There is hardly any impact on the market. Two years ago, wheat was trading at ~$200 per ton. Now the prices have spiked to $400-$500 per ton.

https://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=wheat&months=60

At the most I expect wheat to trade at ~$350 per ton for the remainder of the year, but that is still around 75% higher than the level we had two years ago. Major wheat importers are going to be in a fix (especially those in the middle-east and Maghreb). Here in India, the government has prohibited exports of wheat and therefore the domestic prices are much lower than what is in the international market.

[amishmanish]

I think wheat war is goin g to be the precursor of world war. We are facing shortages of different kinds, water, wheat, land and more. Most importantly we are facing shortage of good leaders

[DrBeer]

I think wheat war is goin g to be the precursor of world war. We are facing shortages of different kinds, water, wheat, land and more. Most importantly we are facing shortage of good leaders

For a world war, an aggressor country is needed. Now the aggressor is Russia, carrying cancer cells of the "Russian world" around the world.
But the problem in Russia is that, apart from being mean, stealthily, spoiling, and even more so only to the weaker, it can do nothing. Everything that she declared about her power turned out to be, at best, a fake, but in fact - a stupid, primitive lie. Therefore, Russia's time is numbered! It won't be in a week or a month, but soon enough we'll see the collapse of another "pathetic, bastard under-empire". And gas, oil and nuclear weapons will not help them, just as it did not help the USSR

[Argoo]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

To send grain and other agricultural products from the ports of Ukraine in accordance with the agreements on the provision of a corridor with the participation of Turkey and the UN, signed agreements are needed. The first vessels from Ukrainian ports went to the addresses of signed and confirmed contracts. Now 26 ships loaded with agricultural products have already left Ukrainian ports, and applications have already been submitted for loading 40 ships. In addition, the United States bought 150,000 tons of grain from Ukraine to provide food assistance to countries where the threat of famine loomed.
As far as I know, the first vessel with grain for Ethiopia chartered by the UN World Food Program - Brave Commander - departed on August 16 from the Yuzhny port in the Odessa region.

[STT]

Italy and all the others are able to grow their own grain.  The whole scheme is to increase supply I imagine, not exactly purely for free supplies in a completely obvious way.  I wouldn't jump entirely to a conspiracy type mindset on misdirection of supplies.   Ukraine wants and needs money, Im fairly close to zero surprise that most of the grain is going to the highest bidder for the produce as that is normal commerce.  That normal trade does help and is part of the plan to see the overall market from not accumulating into a famine situation for the poorest countries.

[pooya87]

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/food/1656338/Food-mouldy-foods-you-can-eat-safe-cheese-fruit-veg-storage-hacks

Under normal circumstances something like this would just go unnoticed but considering the global food war that has been going on for more than a year and how some European regimes have been struggling to secure their future food supplies, seeing such a news that's basically encourages people to eat mouldy food that should be thrown away is showing the seriousness of the next crisis (first one is energy crisis).

[Sithara007]

Italy and all the others are able to grow their own grain.  The whole scheme is to increase supply I imagine, not exactly purely for free supplies in a completely obvious way.  I wouldn't jump entirely to a conspiracy type mindset on misdirection of supplies.   Ukraine wants and needs money, Im fairly close to zero surprise that most of the grain is going to the highest bidder for the produce as that is normal commerce.  That normal trade does help and is part of the plan to see the overall market from not accumulating into a famine situation for the poorest countries.

Reminds me of the scenario we had with the COVID vaccines back in 2020-21. The richer nations were able to accumulate more vaccine supplies than they actually need, while the third world nations were sidelined. The grain deal between Ukraine and Russia was finalized claiming that most of the grain is needed to prevent famine in the Sub-Saharan Africa, Maghreb and Middle-East regions. But European agro-business firms are accumulating most of this grain, and I assume that they will re-export it at a premium to the third world nations.

[amishmanish]

If they don't have bread ask them to eat cake... These lines were the cause of French revolution..i don't know if world war 3 will happen, but yes hunger can make people rise and fight, or just perish. Hunger is there is African countries for long. Draughts are still common there. It is just that they don't have technology for war. They suffered.  But yes hunger can make people real savages.

[Ahli38]

The food crisis that occurred this time was actually not only due to a shortage of food supply but also caused by problems in terms of food affordability itself. and also the concentration of food production is a problem that triggers food speculation and this food speculation has an impact on rising world food prices.

The pandemic, war and extreme weather that occurred today are certainly the main triggers for this food crisis. but behind all that there is a game behind the rising world food prices. whether it's because there are countries that deliberately stock up food. or with anything else.

For countries that are used to food imports, the food crisis will definitely be felt. in contrast to countries that have implemented food policies that encourage farmers and communities to make independent production. such as breeders and farmers who have been able to escape from dependence on chemicals. by applying an organic fertilizer system and organic tillage.
make organic fertilizer with organic waste material through a fermentation process (using EM4). so that agricultural production remains stable even when imports of fertilizers from abroad are stopped.

but for some countries this food crisis has become a profitable thing. as for the country of Thailand which is the food industry will benefit from this situation as purchase orders increase amid increasing fears of this food crisis.

But again, what is worrying is that there will be countries that deliberately buy up food stocks so that the distribution of food supply will be disrupted. so there will be countries that remain in food crisis.

The next fear that has occurred is that some food-producing countries are starting to become stingy. because they have reasons to maintain food stability in their own country.
For example, wheat-producing countries that impose restrictions are Russia, India, Serbia, Egypt, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Kosovo.
of course not only for wheat but also for other food items such as sugar, beef and soybeans (similar) as well as fertilizers.

_{If this continues, it is not impossible to trigger a world war. because there will be a country that wants to control food in the midst of this crisis. and I think that now conflicts between countries have started to emerge. even though everything is wrapped like it's not about food. but the truth is surely everything is a matter of food and survival. and this Wheat War is what we fear. Small sparks can create large, widespread flames.}

[pooya87]

Draughts are still common there.

Everything about the world is starting to change. Even droughts, for example the European continent that was considered "green" is starting to be hit with drought while other regions that previously struggled are getting more rains and turning "green".
The world order is not the only thing that is changing these days...

If this continues, it is not impossible to trigger a world war.

Even if it doesn't trigger it, in any kind of large scale war food will be used as a weapon. For example all the food that China has amassed is not going to be consumed domestically, they will have to sell it at some point before it expires. If they start a war they could start using that as a bargaining chip like how Russia is using its gas these days.

[Sithara007]

The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.

[Eden Loomis]

6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.

I agree that the scarcity of food becomes more serious, leading a price to rocket. After reading the number 6, I assume that China will take an advantage to be more powerful, and control more developing countries because they have a large food supply.

[DrBeer]

"The greatest politician in the world, the greatest genius, with his second army of the world," began to squeal and demand negotiations with Ukraine. Through his bedside dog Peskov, he conveyed the following: Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky on how the "special operation" will be terminated and the observance not of conditions, but of Russia's interests.

...what a pitiful sight! ))

[KennyR]

The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.

Compared to the situation the world experienced few months back, right now it seems like there is good production of wheat to fulfill the present needs. Due to war it was much discussed about the food shortage to happen around the world. Somehow things have got better with time. Maybe the production from Russia and Ukraine reaching the global market will lower the price that have reached its peak.

[bestcoins1]

There are femine in one part of the world and there is flood in the other part of the world
There are two extrems and stilll we are throwing bombs to fight with the our country men.

In which country do you live that you still have to throw bombs to fight with the state? Because if the war continues, there will never be an increase in the price of cryptocurrency and it will be difficult for changes to occur in the market because worsening world conditions can also greatly affect the market. So make peace with the state and don't fight just to defend your ego or whatever is still possible to be resolved in a good way.

[pooya87]

Compared to the situation the world experienced few months back, right now it seems like there is good production of wheat to fulfill the present needs. Due to war it was much discussed about the food shortage to happen around the world. Somehow things have got better with time. Maybe the production from Russia and Ukraine reaching the global market will lower the price that have reached its peak.

I somewhat agree with you that the situation has gotten slightly better but not enough to eliminate our concerns. Keep in mind that some issues will take time to show their ugly heads. For example the fertilizer shortage I mentioned in OP will start showing its effects mostly during spring as farmers start having shorter yield.
Same with food shortage, almost all countries have strategic storages which would again take time to run out. Granted they've all been trying to fill it but I haven't seen major success yet.

[Obito]

The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.

Some Asian countries wouldn't be affected too much by it since rice is still available although they do have bread, I don't think that they're going to be hit big. Maybe this wheat shortage should be a wake up call for many countries to find alternative or maximize growing their own wheat because a collapse in global supply chain is disastrous.

[Oasisman]

The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.

Some Asian countries wouldn't be affected too much by it since rice is still available although they do have bread, I don't think that they're going to be hit big. Maybe this wheat shortage should be a wake up call for many countries to find alternative or maximize growing their own wheat because a collapse in global supply chain is disastrous.

Well, obviously Asia have like 90% of Rice production globally. So that's not gonna be a problem. The wheat shortage will make people realize that we should be paying more for the farmers and producers rather than the distributors. Hoarding became rampant these days especially after the pandemic. These shortage of foods will also makes us realize that we should not always focus on technological advancements but also agriculturally.
Governments should consider cultivating more lands to grow crops to feed not only their country but globally to increase it's GDP by exporting their goods.

[Majestic-milf]

The global food situation is worsening every second and in a month or two could lead to mass unrest followed by regimes suppressing the violence and eventually a wider war between countries stealing each other's food supplies to ease their domestic unrest, something similar but worse than what we saw during the first months of pandemic where Europeans countries were stealing from each other to ease their own crisis.

Let's take a quick look at a series of events:
1. Russia and Ukraine are two big producers, Russia invades and production is ceased in Ukraine.
2. Russia is sanctioned to put economic pressure on them so their exports to 99% of the world is completely stopped
3. Other producers like India follow this trend and stop their exports
4. Price of food soars as scarcity is now a serious threat
5. Other countries are embracing for the crisis by trying desperately to increase their own production but fertilizer exports are also ceased so the domestic production has also decreased significantly in most countries.
6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.
7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

The real question is how would each country handle this crisis. And at what scale is the conflicts going to break?

In West Asia we are producing most of our needs already but the pressure is still felt here. The biggest problem we are facing is the neighbors. The borders are already being tightened as we speak to handle immigration and prevent illegal exports that are basically stealing food!

Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.
US doesn't seem to be doing well either as they are currently trying to rob Ukraine and transfer all their wheat supply to reduce the crisis US itself is facing through the western border while Russia is still busy in the east and south and the world isn't looking.

This is starting to feel like WWII already when the Allies invaded India for example and how Churchil stole their food and starved more than 3 million Indians to death. The difference however is that the option to invade East to survive their European War aka WWII is no longer there for the West, so my guess would be a lot of conflict between different countries in Europe if the food crisis worsens, NATO falling apart and eventual mass migration towards East.

 The US can comfortably produce these products that they are pilfering from the Ukrainians and I'm tempted to assume it's because of this act of theirs that they have decided to covertly support with arms.

 The question I can't quite wrap my head on is why take from another country who are in a war and would use these as a means to strengthen themselves while in a fraught situation? Is it that by buying from them, you are helping financially or you are just not okay with taking from your own?

[blue_hurricanger]

Forget about wheat. The common food stamp for poor people, rice is under threat as two countries known for at top 5 rice export in volume, Vietnam #2 and Thailand #3 want to cooperate on raising the price of rice. With Pakistan #4 in rice export (in terms of volume) under heavy floods, loss of rice crops and even asking for food aid, the situation looks grim for countries that have huge imports of rice to meet the food need of their citizens.

[swogerino]

"The greatest politician in the world, the greatest genius, with his second army of the world," began to squeal and demand negotiations with Ukraine. Through his bedside dog Peskov, he conveyed the following: Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky on how the "special operation" will be terminated and the observance not of conditions, but of Russia's interests.

...what a pitiful sight! ))

So finally even he the "the greatest politician in the world" is starting to realize that he lost near 1/3 of his combat force so far in the war against Ukraine and things are looking even worse for him now that a heavy counteroffensive is taking place in the occupied territory of Kherson.

This if deployed successfully then the Ukrainian forces will have also the power to liberate Crimea as there are no routes in which more Russian soldiers can come to the aid of the existing ones trapped in Donetsk.Apparently Putin is not a great general and he screw it up really big with this war,Russia is suffering heavy losses both in men power and economically the most,no one is happy there in Russia yet the people still support Putin and I don't understand this.

As for the wheat it will be no problem,they have both agreed in a humanitarian corridor which is working and so far a lot of ships have left there to their destinations untroubled.

[lucates]

The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.

Compared to the situation the world experienced few months back, right now it seems like there is good production of wheat to fulfill the present needs. Due to war it was much discussed about the food shortage to happen around the world. Somehow things have got better with time. Maybe the production from Russia and Ukraine reaching the global market will lower the price that have reached its peak.

Before the war began, Russia and Ukraine accounted for 24 percent of global wheat exports together. Ukraine alone was the biggest wheat exporter to at least 10 countries. Now all of them are facing shortages. More than 22 million tons of grains are trapped inside Ukraine. They're rotting in warehouses as people go hungry. A global report and food crisis estimates that at least 180 million people in more than 41 countries will face food crisis this year due to the war. Now Russia, Ukraine and Turkey have signed the grain export deal, leading to a major breakthrough.

[Sithara007]

The recent news says that there is such a heavy flooding in Pakistan and approx 33 million people are are displaced.
Which is 6 times more people than those internally displaced in Ukraine from war, that's approximately the population of Canada - this much people are going through food crisis.

Both the scenarios can't be compared. Flooding will be over in a week or two, and for most part Pakistan is a very arid country. What happened there is due to their own mismanagement. Now all the precious runoff will just end up in the sea, rather than being used to irrigate the fields. And in a few months everyone will be complaining about drought. On the other hand, the situation in Ukraine is going on for more than 6 months now. And it is unlikely to end anytime soon. And Ukraine is an European country, which will obviously bring more attention from the Western world.

[kapalmabur]

Before the war began, Russia and Ukraine accounted for 24 percent of global wheat exports together. Ukraine alone was the biggest wheat exporter to at least 10 countries. Now all of them are facing shortages. More than 22 million tons of grains are trapped inside Ukraine. They're rotting in warehouses as people go hungry. A global report and food crisis estimates that at least 180 million people in more than 41 countries will face food crisis this year due to the war. Now Russia, Ukraine and Turkey have signed the grain export deal, leading to a major breakthrough.

The recent news says that there is such a heavy flooding in Pakistan and approx 33 million people are are displaced.
Which is 6 times more people than those internally displaced in Ukraine from war, that's approximately the population of Canada - this much people are going through food crisis.

I think the food crisis is on the rise and this is becoming a serious global problem,
commodity and food prices also increased due to inflation,
If conditions are still like this, it is not impossible that more people will experience a food crisis

[coupable]

The recent news says that there is such a heavy flooding in Pakistan and approx 33 million people are are displaced.
Which is 6 times more people than those internally displaced in Ukraine from war, that's approximately the population of Canada - this much people are going through food crisis.

Both the scenarios can't be compared. Flooding will be over in a week or two, and for most part Pakistan is a very arid country. What happened there is due to their own mismanagement. Now all the precious runoff will just end up in the sea, rather than being used to irrigate the fields. And in a few months everyone will be complaining about drought. On the other hand, the situation in Ukraine is going on for more than 6 months now. And it is unlikely to end anytime soon. And Ukraine is an European country, which will obviously bring more attention from the Western world.

According to meteorological centers, the flood wave could continue in other regions of the world during the winter. If the world is able to cope with the economic changes caused by the Ukrainian crisis, it cannot even predict the extent of the devastation that we will face due to urgent climate changes.
The Ukrainian crisis will deepen the crisis for countries hostile to Russia. The rest of the world's countries that are neutral (relatively, of course) may have better chances of overcoming part of the crisis, but in any case they cannot overcome the inflation crisis, which has become a global pandemic.

[Sithara007]

According to meteorological centers, the flood wave could continue in other regions of the world during the winter. If the world is able to cope with the economic changes caused by the Ukrainian crisis, it cannot even predict the extent of the devastation that we will face due to urgent climate changes.
The Ukrainian crisis will deepen the crisis for countries hostile to Russia. The rest of the world's countries that are neutral (relatively, of course) may have better chances of overcoming part of the crisis, but in any case they cannot overcome the inflation crisis, which has become a global pandemic.

I am residing in a country that has taken a neutral stance in the conflict and I can say that we are getting screwed royally. Wheat and sunflower oil prices have gone through the roof. Gasoline and CNG has become extremely expensive. In general, the inflation now stands at 7-8% per year, compared to 4% per year which we had until 2020. So it is not like countries that have taken a neutral stance on Russia are benefitting in any way. Some of the private companies (such as Reliance) are making a limited amount of profit by importing Russian crude. But compared to the overall scenario, this is insignificant.

[pooya87]

I started this topic 4 months ago and warned about the food crisis that is going to be caused by fertilizer crisis. The "European Fertilizer Producers" just figure it out recently! Their representative announced that the fertilizer industry is already in a full-fledged crisis!
"As a result, over 70% of European production capacity has been curtailed. If the situation prevails, we fear that remaining producers could also be affected."

Interestingly enough they blame the over 1000% increase in gas price, but that is only part of the reason. The major imports of components they used to produce the fertilizers are no longer being sold to them as I said earlier which is why they can not produce enough fertilizers anymore.
Lithuanian fertilizer company, Achema AB has already said as much when they announced they will shut down soon.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-26/europe-s-fertilizer-crisis-deepens-with-70-of-capacity-hit
https://www.newsweek.com/europes-energy-crisis-turning-food-crisis-opinion-1740228

[DrBeer]

According to meteorological centers, the flood wave could continue in other regions of the world during the winter. If the world is able to cope with the economic changes caused by the Ukrainian crisis, it cannot even predict the extent of the devastation that we will face due to urgent climate changes.
The Ukrainian crisis will deepen the crisis for countries hostile to Russia. The rest of the world's countries that are neutral (relatively, of course) may have better chances of overcoming part of the crisis, but in any case they cannot overcome the inflation crisis, which has become a global pandemic.

I am residing in a country that has taken a neutral stance in the conflict and I can say that we are getting screwed royally. Wheat and sunflower oil prices have gone through the roof. Gasoline and CNG has become extremely expensive. In general, the inflation now stands at 7-8% per year, compared to 4% per year which we had until 2020. So it is not like countries that have taken a neutral stance on Russia are benefitting in any way. Some of the private companies (such as Reliance) are making a limited amount of profit by importing Russian crude. But compared to the overall scenario, this is insignificant.

So what do you want if you decide to "quietly sit in the corner" when a crime occurs, instead of reining in the country of a terrorist? You are reaping the fruits of your own "passivity", as it should be! But that's not even the problem! Remember - when you have global problems, many will also, in relation to you, choose a "neutral position" ... Fate.. Karma ... cool things, believe me

[electronicash]

I started this topic 4 months ago and warned about the food crisis that is going to be caused by fertilizer crisis. The "European Fertilizer Producers" just figure it out recently! Their representative announced that the fertilizer industry is already in a full-fledged crisis!
"As a result, over 70% of European production capacity has been curtailed. If the situation prevails, we fear that remaining producers could also be affected."

Interestingly enough they blame the over 1000% increase in gas price, but that is only part of the reason. The major imports of components they used to produce the fertilizers are no longer being sold to them as I said earlier which is why they can not produce enough fertilizers anymore.
Lithuanian fertilizer company, Achema AB has already said as much when they announced they will shut down soon.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-26/europe-s-fertilizer-crisis-deepens-with-70-of-capacity-hit
https://www.newsweek.com/europes-energy-crisis-turning-food-crisis-opinion-1740228

i also dont understand why purposely ban fertilizers from the beginning, it started a chain reaction up to starve countless countries. Sri lanka as i have watched a documentary about it, their president ban fertilizers because they alooking forward to organic planting. the result was that farmers not planting crops instead.

old fertilizers still works like the guano but farmers today are not very familair with it.
hunger clouds judgement of people, which they do bad stuff like robbing qnd looting.

[be.open]

I started this topic 4 months ago and warned about the food crisis that is going to be caused by fertilizer crisis. The "European Fertilizer Producers" just figure it out recently! Their representative announced that the fertilizer industry is already in a full-fledged crisis!
"As a result, over 70% of European production capacity has been curtailed. If the situation prevails, we fear that remaining producers could also be affected."

Interestingly enough they blame the over 1000% increase in gas price, but that is only part of the reason. The major imports of components they used to produce the fertilizers are no longer being sold to them as I said earlier which is why they can not produce enough fertilizers anymore.
Lithuanian fertilizer company, Achema AB has already said as much when they announced they will shut down soon.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-26/europe-s-fertilizer-crisis-deepens-with-70-of-capacity-hit
https://www.newsweek.com/europes-energy-crisis-turning-food-crisis-opinion-1740228

In the chemical fertilizer industry, natural gas is both a source of energy and a raw material. Fertilizers are made from gas using gas. Therefore, next year, European farmers will be forced to switch to organic farming.

The Lithuanian fertilizer plant that you are talking about consumed 50% of the gas in Lithuania before its shutdown.

[pooya87]

i also dont understand why purposely ban fertilizers from the beginning, it started a chain reaction up to starve countless countries.
old fertilizers still works like the guano but farmers today are not very familair with it.

What I've found with my little research is that the problem is about yield.

With these fertilizers (rich with nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) they can keep reusing the same soil and harvest a lot and multiple times a year. With no fertilizer or with traditional ones the yield significantly decreases and you can't harvest as many times. The soil simply doesn't have what the crop needs to grow.
Not to mention that you can't produce nearly as much traditional fertilizers like guano!

So for example if a wheat farmer was producing 1 ton of wheat before, without these fertilizers they can produce only 20-30% of that.

[$anounimus$]

The global food situation is worsening every second and in a month or two could lead to mass unrest followed by regimes suppressing the violence and eventually a wider war between countries stealing each other's food supplies to ease their domestic unrest, something similar but worse than what we saw during the first months of pandemic where Europeans countries were stealing from each other to ease their own crisis.

The real question is how would each country handle this crisis. And at what scale is the conflicts going to break?

If there is one development in the world that could revolutionize global politics, it is the rise of wheat as a global strategic asset. Yes, The world is headed for a food crisis, and it will continue for a long time.

In my opinion, Government and society together find a way to use less wheat and be able to grow it without invasive chemicals so that we will be able to build harmony in this world. Because wheat is the basis of many products around the world,

Let's hope we can all put our differences aside and get along soon.

[Sithara007]

What I've found with my little research is that the problem is about yield.

With these fertilizers (rich with nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) they can keep reusing the same soil and harvest a lot and multiple times a year. With no fertilizer or with traditional ones the yield significantly decreases and you can't harvest as many times. The soil simply doesn't have what the crop needs to grow.
Not to mention that you can't produce nearly as much traditional fertilizers like guano!

So for example if a wheat farmer was producing 1 ton of wheat before, without these fertilizers they can produce only 20-30% of that.

Not sure about the figure of 20%-30%, but I agree that the yields will be down by a lot without chemical fertilizers. In Sri Lanka they banned chemical fertilizer and the agricultural sector got completely destroyed as a result. Here in India, there is a shortage of fertilizer (both Ammonia based and Potash based), because of the war in Ukraine. Here the government procures the supply and then gives them to farmers free of charge. But they are unable to secure enough supplies at reasonable rates and as a result we are having an acute shortage.

[be.open]

What I've found with my little research is that the problem is about yield.

With these fertilizers (rich with nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) they can keep reusing the same soil and harvest a lot and multiple times a year. With no fertilizer or with traditional ones the yield significantly decreases and you can't harvest as many times. The soil simply doesn't have what the crop needs to grow.
Not to mention that you can't produce nearly as much traditional fertilizers like guano!

So for example if a wheat farmer was producing 1 ton of wheat before, without these fertilizers they can produce only 20-30% of that.

Not sure about the figure of 20%-30%, but I agree that the yields will be down by a lot without chemical fertilizers. In Sri Lanka they banned chemical fertilizer and the agricultural sector got completely destroyed as a result. Here in India, there is a shortage of fertilizer (both Ammonia based and Potash based), because of the war in Ukraine. Here the government procures the supply and then gives them to farmers free of charge. But they are unable to secure enough supplies at reasonable rates and as a result we are having an acute shortage.

Meanwhile, in Russia there is simply nowhere to store grain, fertilizers and ammonia (judging by Putin's statements yesterday on the food problem).
1. Russia will supply 30 million tons of grain to needy countries by the end of the year.
2. Russia is ready to donate potash fertilizers to developing countries.
3. Russia is ready to supply ammonia in the amount of two million tons to countries in need.

[DrBeer]

What I've found with my little research is that the problem is about yield.

With these fertilizers (rich with nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) they can keep reusing the same soil and harvest a lot and multiple times a year. With no fertilizer or with traditional ones the yield significantly decreases and you can't harvest as many times. The soil simply doesn't have what the crop needs to grow.
Not to mention that you can't produce nearly as much traditional fertilizers like guano!

So for example if a wheat farmer was producing 1 ton of wheat before, without these fertilizers they can produce only 20-30% of that.

Not sure about the figure of 20%-30%, but I agree that the yields will be down by a lot without chemical fertilizers. In Sri Lanka they banned chemical fertilizer and the agricultural sector got completely destroyed as a result. Here in India, there is a shortage of fertilizer (both Ammonia based and Potash based), because of the war in Ukraine. Here the government procures the supply and then gives them to farmers free of charge. But they are unable to secure enough supplies at reasonable rates and as a result we are having an acute shortage.

Meanwhile, in Russia there is simply nowhere to store grain, fertilizers and ammonia (judging by Putin's statements yesterday on the food problem).
1. Russia will supply 30 million tons of grain to needy countries by the end of the year.
2. Russia is ready to donate potash fertilizers to developing countries.
3. Russia is ready to supply ammonia in the amount of two million tons to countries in need.

 
Now the question is - will Russia remain on the globe of the earth at all, and you give out such humoresques here!

[beej]

I was watching a food documentary last week, and at some
point within the segment it caught me on how wheat and
grains had significant effects on economies and politics
on the past. Wheat is undeniably in demand at all times.
With the ongoing effects of war and climate change, it’s no
wonder the global supply of grains and other agricultural
products are in peril. I live in an agricultural country, and
even local grains here are having difficulties since farmers,
yields and agricultural methods have been low throughout
the developing years. We used to export to neighboring
countries that was decades ago, sadly now we import
from those nations. Truly wheat is an asset, I wonder
if the other grains out there have the same potential
as well.

[AjithBtc]

Slowly there is increasing productivity of wheat, but with the floods the same have once again been affected. Another thing it is important to take care of the produced wheat. In my country there is no proper storage system and this lets the production go wasted when there is unexpected rainfall or something like that. According to me, if the storage and buying wheat from the farmers were done giving them the right price wheat requirement all around the world can be fulfilled.

[Sithara007]

Slowly there is increasing productivity of wheat, but with the floods the same have once again been affected. Another thing it is important to take care of the produced wheat. In my country there is no proper storage system and this lets the production go wasted when there is unexpected rainfall or something like that. According to me, if the storage and buying wheat from the farmers were done giving them the right price wheat requirement all around the world can be fulfilled.

Storing wheat can be expensive. A better alternative would be to convert it to ethanol and use for transportation. Countries such as Brazil have already implemented ethanol blending with gasoline. And I am sure that it will make economic sense, given the recent spike in crude oil prices. I am not sure about the modifications that need to be made to the motor engines. 5% or 10% blend may not require additional modifications, but anything more than that may require expensive changes to cylinder walls and valves. Still, in the long term it should be beneficial.

[BRINIRHA]

i also dont understand why purposely ban fertilizers from the beginning, it started a chain reaction up to starve countless countries.
old fertilizers still works like the guano but farmers today are not very familair with it.

What I've found with my little research is that the problem is about yield.

With these fertilizers (rich with nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) they can keep reusing the same soil and harvest a lot and multiple times a year. With no fertilizer or with traditional ones the yield significantly decreases and you can't harvest as many times. The soil simply doesn't have what the crop needs to grow.
Not to mention that you can't produce nearly as much traditional fertilizers like guano!

So for example if a wheat farmer was producing 1 ton of wheat before, without these fertilizers they can produce only 20-30% of that.

correctly. When we do agriculture, the land is not too large. then it is still possible to use organic fertilizers produced by themselves, such as fermented animal urine for spray fertilizer and fermented manure for sow fertilizer. But organic fertilizers have limitations. because we cannot possibly mass produce processed organic fertilizers ourselves. so when we farm in a large area. then the need for fertilizer must be very much. while organic fertilizers are difficult to make in a short time and difficult to make in large quantities. unless there is a special industry that makes it. as in Indonesia, there are now many companies producing liquid fertilizers. with low prices but the quality is not less competitive with chemical fertilizers.
but if you have to keep buying fertilizer. then the profit will still be small. especially coupled with the price of crops that decline during inflation. fertilizer increased but agricultural yields fell. This is what is happening in some developing countries. this can trigger farmers' protests against government policies. whereas the agricultural sector is the sector that the government should pay the most attention to. because the lungs of a country are in the agricultural and livestock sectors. related to food. but I see in developing countries the government does not pay attention to the farmers. they pay more attention to the construction of high-rise buildings. construction of the office sector and toll roads. while the agricultural sector is always marginalized. even though the food crisis can bring down a country.

[Gayong88]

My opinion on this is that wheat is not the dominant staple food for humans. each country is different with different starch. All may know Wheat is a very important commodity because it belongs to the bread group and Wheat is a staple food in most of the world. I think we all know what will happen. So, it can be assumed that the wheat war will become the third world war if it continues like this.

[jesselui]

I think energy, rather than wheat, will cause a third world war. Oil is slowly dying out. The importance of natural gas is starting to increase. And there is a very serious energy shortage in the world. We still cannot use the sun and we are turning to fossil fuels. Yes, we are very close to the third world war.

[Sithara007]

I think energy, rather than wheat, will cause a third world war. Oil is slowly dying out. The importance of natural gas is starting to increase. And there is a very serious energy shortage in the world. We still cannot use the sun and we are turning to fossil fuels. Yes, we are very close to the third world war.

The so called energy crisis is a result of decades of mismanagement. Governments around the world were too early and enthusiastic to close down coal and nuclear power plants and jump on to the green bandwagon. Those who made the gradual progression (such as France) are still managing the crisis in a better way. It is countries such as Germany, who made the abrupt jump, are paying for their mistakes. On top of that, oil and gas companies are facing increasing hostility from the governments and they reduced the amount allocated for exploration and development of new fields. This has also contributed to the current shortage in a significant way.

[pooya87]

I think energy, rather than wheat, will cause a third world war. Oil is slowly dying out. The importance of natural gas is starting to increase. And there is a very serious energy shortage in the world. We still cannot use the sun and we are turning to fossil fuels. Yes, we are very close to the third world war.

I disagree. Fossil fuels are not running out any time soon and their importance is just as high as it ever was. For example in Iran it is estimated to have 300+ more years of fossil fuels for both domestic use and exports but in somewhere like US they estimate to have less than 5 years of fossil fuels left.

The crisis you see is mostly local and it is due to bad decisions and it is NOT because they didn't use renewable energies like the sun! But it is because they built their country based on what they didn't have!

Take Germany for example. They should have never become industrialized because they didn't have gas and other basic requirements in their industries themselves! In other words, for decades they kept building massive industries based on what they had to buy from abroad because they didn't have nowhere near as much of it as they needed!
The result was obvious and foreseeable: 30% of them are already claiming to be insolvent and are declaring bankruptcy while 60% of them claim they have so much problems that they too may become insolvent very soon. All because they can no longer import what their industries need.

Now imagine if Germany never built all those energy hungry industries and instead focused on what their own geography and resources allowed them to do. Today there would have not been any crisis in Germany!


P.S. This is not the same for food though because countries can survive and thrive without big factories but they can not do that without food independence which is not possible in a lot of geographies.

[DrBeer]

What is most ridiculous, the agreements on the "corridor for the sale of wheat to the starving inhabitants of Africa", as a result, gave only 2 results:
1. Removal of part of the sanctions from the world-terrorist country
2. Selling grain to anyone except "starving Africa"
Features of the modern world

[pooya87]

What is most ridiculous, the agreements on the "corridor for the sale of wheat to the starving inhabitants of Africa", as a result, gave only 2 results:
1. Removal of part of the sanctions from the world-terrorist country
2. Selling grain to anyone except "starving Africa"
Features of the modern world

Well it is the starving Europe that has been accumulating all the food they can get their hands on pretending that this accumulation is for the people of African! Read the opening post again, the Food War has been getting worse.

The news is also already over a month old where they made a laughable statement:
"the freed shipments will mean more grain on the world market and consequently lower prices".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5398852.msg60744052#msg60744052

The situation in Germany is getting worse

* Customers have to be prepared for many bottlenecks in the supply of food this winter
* The situation is getting worse and worse, the frozen food industry is making headlines with an urgent appeal to the federal government.

It's 1 minute to 12!" The industry is experiencing the worst crisis since the end of the Second World War due to the extremely sharp increase in energy costs. If they do not receive state support , the consequences for the population would be devastating.

Aldi, Rewe and Co.: soon empty shelves completely normal?

The signatories of the fire letter, which include the German Frozen Food Institute eV (dti) and the Association of German Cold Stores and Cold Logistics Companies eV (VDKL), also point out the additional burdens caused by disrupted supply chains, staff shortages and scarcity of raw materials.

"Companies can no longer compensate for these massive cost increases through savings or by passing on a proportion of the sales prices to customers," the company warns. Some companies feared that production would soon come to a standstill and that refrigerated logistics centers for food distribution would be closed. "Some are even preparing for possible bankruptcy !"

[GelatikKembar]

I think energy, rather than wheat, will cause a third world war. Oil is slowly dying out. The importance of natural gas is starting to increase. And there is a very serious energy shortage in the world. We still cannot use the sun and we are turning to fossil fuels. Yes, we are very close to the third world war.

How terrible it would be if that happened and the energy was not renewable which could at any time run out,
Currently, the energy problem has become a global issue.
let's see what happens in the future and let's hope nothing terrible happens

[DrBeer]

What is most ridiculous, the agreements on the "corridor for the sale of wheat to the starving inhabitants of Africa", as a result, gave only 2 results:
1. Removal of part of the sanctions from the world-terrorist country
2. Selling grain to anyone except "starving Africa"
Features of the modern world

Well it is the starving Europe that has been accumulating all the food they can get their hands on pretending that this accumulation is for the people of African! Read the opening post again, the Food War has been getting worse.

The news is also already over a month old where they made a laughable statement:
"the freed shipments will mean more grain on the world market and consequently lower prices".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5398852.msg60744052#msg60744052

So this is expected - but how Europe wanted - "to sit with one ass on two chairs"? That doesn't happen. Now there will be less nyamka, and you need to buy sweaters, and without work, sit on welfare for a bit .. How else if you got in touch with the bastard regime, tied up your economy on the resources of this regime, and things look like terrorism is not terrorism, but "need to negotiate" ... Nothing, will be a good lesson for the future!

[Vinaa77]

The real question is how would each country handle this crisis.

Actually this is a difficult question to answer, only the government can answer it, because overcoming the crisis is the government's responsibility. But we as a society of course can only increase food stocks from agricultural products. However, agriculture is also not able to increase maximum yields because of the reduced use of fertilizers. This is due to the increase in fertilizer prices. The crisis was also caused by the weak purchasing power of the people.

And at what scale is the conflicts going to break?

About on what scale the conflict will break out of course if a global economic crisis in general has occurred, then war will break out. War will occur when some countries are already weak against the economy, and people begin to starve, and civil wars begin to emerge.
The state party that started the attack on another country also measured the scale of the opponent's strength. They wouldn't attack brutally even if it was a small country. The greatest power of the state is in the hands of the people.

[pooya87]

About on what scale the conflict will break out of course if a global economic crisis in general has occurred, then war will break out. War will occur when some countries are already weak against the economy, and people begin to starve, and civil wars begin to emerge.
The state party that started the attack on another country also measured the scale of the opponent's strength. They wouldn't attack brutally even if it was a small country. The greatest power of the state is in the hands of the people.

I think we will see a lot of protests (like the past couple of months in EU) but I don't think any civil wars take place though. The main war would break out between countries. Over the past couple of months we are seeing an increased amount of tensions between nations as well like the one between Greece and Turkey which are at the brink of war.
In fact we could see multiple centers of conflict each among multiple countries like multiple Balkan nations.
This could also be one of the reasons why some EU members are starting to form their own new smaller "European Union" like the one between France and England.

[electronicash]

About on what scale the conflict will break out of course if a global economic crisis in general has occurred, then war will break out. War will occur when some countries are already weak against the economy, and people begin to starve, and civil wars begin to emerge.
The state party that started the attack on another country also measured the scale of the opponent's strength. They wouldn't attack brutally even if it was a small country. The greatest power of the state is in the hands of the people.

I think we will see a lot of protests (like the past couple of months in EU) but I don't think any civil wars take place though. The main war would break out between countries. Over the past couple of months we are seeing an increased amount of tensions between nations as well like the one between Greece and Turkey which are at the brink of war.
In fact we could see multiple centers of conflict each among multiple countries like multiple Balkan nations.
This could also be one of the reasons why some EU members are starting to form their own new smaller "European Union" like the one between France and England.

unless there is some deadly natural  disaster like flood or earthquake which sweep off the wheat - I am not sure there will be any crisis in today's world
It is the modern time and people rush for help where there is needed - these days Angelina Jolie is visiting flood affected areas of Pakistan and people are admiring her.

there are disasters. while there is flood in Pakistan, there are droughts in different parts of the world including in US. the worse is yet to come if Putin will really start a nuclear war, lets just count this as disaster as well because i bet no wheat will grow when that happens.

it does happen in my country where actresses visits an area devastated by typhoons. don't know how it could it help.

[Sithara007]

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the worse is yet to come if Putin will really start a nuclear war, lets just count this as disaster as well because i bet no wheat will grow when that happens.
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If there is a nuclear war resulting from the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, then the chronology will be something like this:

1. Russia using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukrainian troops in newly annexed regions of Ukraine (Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhia)
2. Americans using tactical nuclear weapons against Russian troops in these regions
3. Russians responding by nuking American bases in EU, middle-east, Japan and Korea
4. All-out nuclear war between Russia and NATO

I really hope that both sides will let go their ego and refrain from starting a nuclear war. But at this point, there is a significant probability of that happening. WW3 will wipeout a large fraction of the human race, if it ever realizes.

[DrBeer]

~~~~
the worse is yet to come if Putin will really start a nuclear war, lets just count this as disaster as well because i bet no wheat will grow when that happens.
~~~~

If there is a nuclear war resulting from the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, then the chronology will be something like this:

1. Russia using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukrainian troops in newly annexed regions of Ukraine (Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhia)
2. Americans using tactical nuclear weapons against Russian troops in these regions
3. Russians responding by nuking American bases in EU, middle-east, Japan and Korea
4. All-out nuclear war between Russia and NATO

I really hope that both sides will let go their ego and refrain from starting a nuclear war. But at this point, there is a significant probability of that happening. WW3 will wipeout a large fraction of the human race, if it ever realizes.

"Both sides" is a very misleading expression.
This is not a relationship of spouses, Russia is not a hysterical wife. This is a war, and Russia is an aggressor country, a terrorist country that violated all agreements and attacked Ukraine. Once again, Russia is an aggressor country. Which, having lost the economic and conventional war, now wants to use nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear country. In this case, it would be acceptable to launch preemptive, both tactical and strategic, nuclear strikes against decision-making centers in Russia, to ensure the destruction of the heads of the terrorist regime, in order to prevent a nuclear war. Today, in relation to Russia, after all the crimes that it has committed and which have already become known, it is possible not to apply any moral and ethical principles to it.

I repeat once again - the Russian regime, Russia as an entity - is a cancerous tumor in the body of the whole world. As you know, the fight against cancer is the total destruction of cancer cells, cancerous tumors and metastases. Otherwise, cancer (read Russia) will destroy the whole world.

[pooya87]

It is the modern time and people rush for help where there is needed - these days Angelina Jolie is visiting flood affected areas of Pakistan and people are admiring her.

I'm confused, how does that help anybody if a celebrity visits the aftereffects of a flood?!!! Is she helping people shovel stuff out of the way? Or is she bringing people money to help them rebuild?
Or is she just there for the cameras?

If there is a nuclear war resulting from the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, then the chronology will be something like this:

1. Russia using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukrainian troops in newly annexed regions of Ukraine (Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhia)
2. Americans using tactical nuclear weapons against Russian troops in these regions
3. Russians responding by nuking American bases in EU, middle-east, Japan and Korea
4. All-out nuclear war between Russia and NATO

I really hope that both sides will let go their ego and refrain from starting a nuclear war. But at this point, there is a significant probability of that happening. WW3 will wipeout a large fraction of the human race, if it ever realizes.

I don't think the nuclear war is predictable but I also don't think if US were to nuke Russia, Russia would nuke anywhere except US mainland. Not to mention that Russian nukes can reach US mainland a lot faster than the US nukes could reach Russian population since Russian population is mostly in the far west of Russia while their nukes are located in the far east close to America.

[bakasabo]

It is the modern time and people rush for help where there is needed - these days Angelina Jolie is visiting flood affected areas of Pakistan and people are admiring her.

I'm confused, how does that help anybody if a celebrity visits the aftereffects of a flood?!!! Is she helping people shovel stuff out of the way? Or is she bringing people money to help them rebuild?
Or is she just there for the cameras?

She is UNHCR ambassador. She was there imo, to attract more attention to that disaster. To make people care about that, and not just "another flood, someone would help them definitely, but not me". I think she was more like a walking commercial there. Sort of celebrities advertise stuff in their social media, and that stuff sales goes high. She visits flooded areas, people starts to make donations. I think it works like that.

[Sithara007]

I don't think the nuclear war is predictable but I also don't think if US were to nuke Russia, Russia would nuke anywhere except US mainland. Not to mention that Russian nukes can reach US mainland a lot faster than the US nukes could reach Russian population since Russian population is mostly in the far west of Russia while their nukes are located in the far east close to America.

One advantage that the Russians are having is regarding air defense. S-400 and S-500 are much superior than the patriot air-defense systems that the Americans are having. In terms of ICBMs, I guess Satan 2 (RS-28 Sarmat) and Minuteman-III are equally capable.  

The reason why I posted that Russians would rather go for the American bases in Europe and Asia is that they are much more closer to Russia when compared to cities such as Los Angeles and San Francisco. Alaska may be close, but the total population is only around half a million. Same goes for Hawaii as well. Californian cities are more than 8,000 kms away.

[CapGelatik]

About on what scale the conflict will break out of course if a global economic crisis in general has occurred, then war will break out. War will occur when some countries are already weak against the economy, and people begin to starve, and civil wars begin to emerge.
The state party that started the attack on another country also measured the scale of the opponent's strength. They wouldn't attack brutally even if it was a small country. The greatest power of the state is in the hands of the people.

I think we will see a lot of protests (like the past couple of months in EU) but I don't think any civil wars take place though. The main war would break out between countries. Over the past couple of months we are seeing an increased amount of tensions between nations as well like the one between Greece and Turkey which are at the brink of war.
In fact we could see multiple centers of conflict each among multiple countries like multiple Balkan nations.
This could also be one of the reasons why some EU members are starting to form their own new smaller "European Union" like the one between France and England.

unless there is some deadly natural  disaster like flood or earthquake which sweep off the wheat - I am not sure there will be any crisis in today's world
It is the modern time and people rush for help where there is needed - these days Angelina Jolie is visiting flood affected areas of Pakistan and people are admiring her.

Actually, the crisis only occurs in areas that are in conflict because after all in such areas there is no food supply.
help is always there but I don't think it's enough,
problems keep popping up and let's see what happens

[pooya87]

The reason why I posted that Russians would rather go for the American bases in Europe and Asia is that they are much more closer to Russia when compared to cities such as Los Angeles and San Francisco. Alaska may be close, but the total population is only around half a million. Same goes for Hawaii as well. Californian cities are more than 8,000 kms away.

Maybe, but I still don't think nuking a military base would be the plan since they can be neutralized a lot easier and a lot cheaper (less consequence) specially those bases in West Asia considering that they are already in hostile territory and surrounded by forces who have their "guns" pointed at those bases as we speak...

[Sithara007]

Maybe, but I still don't think nuking a military base would be the plan since they can be neutralized a lot easier and a lot cheaper (less consequence) specially those bases in West Asia considering that they are already in hostile territory and surrounded by forces who have their "guns" pointed at those bases as we speak...

Russia has good relations with Saudi Arabia and some of the other GCC nations, so I think that the chances that they may target the bases in middle-east are very low. More likely, they may target the American bases in East Asia, such as those in South Korea and Japan. The advantage is that they have one of their most loyal allies in the region (DPRK). Anyway, I just hope that a nuclear war and a global conflict can be avoided at any cost. The current generation have no idea of the horrors that were perpetrated during the two world wars. We simply can't afford another world war. 

[be.open]

Maybe, but I still don't think nuking a military base would be the plan since they can be neutralized a lot easier and a lot cheaper (less consequence) specially those bases in West Asia considering that they are already in hostile territory and surrounded by forces who have their "guns" pointed at those bases as we speak...

Russia has good relations with Saudi Arabia and some of the other GCC nations, so I think that the chances that they may target the bases in middle-east are very low. More likely, they may target the American bases in East Asia, such as those in South Korea and Japan. The advantage is that they have one of their most loyal allies in the region (DPRK). Anyway, I just hope that a nuclear war and a global conflict can be avoided at any cost. The current generation have no idea of the horrors that were perpetrated during the two world wars. We simply can't afford another world war.  

I do not think that Russia will use tactical nuclear weapons at all in the current round of confrontation with Ukraine. Simply because it is fraught with great political risks and does not bring any benefits. A dozen or two conventional large-caliber high-explosive bombs of the FAB-3000 type can achieve an effect comparable to a nuclear strike on Nagasaki. If the target is well protected, you can use Dagger hypersonic missiles with a conventional warhead, 500 kg of TNT at a speed of Mach 5 will produce an impressive destructive effect. I just don't see the point in using tactical nuclear weapons.

Unfortunately, a strike by strategic nuclear weapons, both retaliatory and preventive, is much more likely. And it is unlikely that Satan or Sarmat will be involved, because of the need to take into account the wind rose in order to reduce the risk of radioactive contamination of their own territory. If the red line is crossed (and let's be honest - we don't even know exactly where it is), I think the decisive blow will be delivered by Poseidon, an underwater nuclear drone capable of causing a tsunami up to 100 meters high and destroying all life on the coast up to 500 km deep. And it will be either a simultaneous strike by two Poseidons on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States, or a single strike by Poseidon on the UK. Or either right away. New York, Washington, Los Angeles, San Francisco and London will be completely destroyed from such a strike. As a side effect, severe damage will be in all coastal cities of the globe.

[Sithara007]

^^^ Not much information is available for Poseidon. What I have heard is that it has a very low speed (~100 kmph) and need to cruise at lower deaths to use the stealth mode. Another concern is regarding the warhead. Rumors are that the war head has a yield of 2 megatons (compared to 50 megatons for the Tsar Bomba). Irrespective of the type of nuke being used, Mutual assured destruction (MAD) is assured in case of a nuclear war between the NATO and Russia. My concern is regarding the neutral countries and how they will be impacted in such a scenario.

[be.open]

^^^ Not much information is available for Poseidon. What I have heard is that it has a very low speed (~100 kmph) and need to cruise at lower deaths to use the stealth mode. Another concern is regarding the warhead. Rumors are that the war head has a yield of 2 megatons (compared to 50 megatons for the Tsar Bomba).

Poseidon is an autonomous underwater drone with its own nuclear reactor (that is, with unlimited range and duration) and a warhead with a capacity of up to 100 megatons, it is also called the "continent killer". "Very low speed of about 100 kmph" - this is quite good, considering that Poseidon does not fly, but swims under water.

Irrespective of the type of nuke being used, Mutual assured destruction (MAD) is assured in case of a nuclear war between the NATO and Russia. My concern is regarding the neutral countries and how they will be impacted in such a scenario.

The concept of mutually assured destruction, as you understand, is theoretical in nature and essentially speculative; it has never been (and I hope will not be) tested in practice. Russia has a Perimeter system (Dead Hand in NATO classification), the US probably also has something similar, although the details are unknown to me. How all these systems work in practice - no one knows.

[Ozero]

If there is a nuclear war resulting from the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, then the chronology will be something like this:

1. Russia using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukrainian troops in newly annexed regions of Ukraine (Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhia)
2. Americans using tactical nuclear weapons against Russian troops in these regions
3. Russians responding by nuking American bases in EU, middle-east, Japan and Korea
4. All-out nuclear war between Russia and NATO

It is unlikely that a nuclear war will take place according to this scenario. First, Putin will not drop a nuclear bomb on the heads of his army in Ukraine. Also, by doing this, he will destroy the population of Donbass and the south of Ukraine, whom he came to protect and "liberate". In addition, he is unlikely to drop it in a densely populated region of Ukraine or on any major city. Because of such an act, even then the whole world will firmly unite against Russia and, above all, Putin himself. Putin is senile, but not a complete idiot. The use of nuclear weapons is likely to be demonstrative intimidating. Some analysts say that it could be, say, Snake Island.

Secondly, the United States has already stated that after Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will immediately be destroyed, followed by the Baltic Fleet. Then a pause will be made to assess the situation. But if NATO receives information that will indicate specific actions aimed at the use of nuclear weapons, then the alliance can activate a developed program that allows for 40 minutes to destroy any country with non-nuclear weapons, even such a large one as Russia. Putin is so intimidating the world with nuclear weapons that NATO can believe it and launch a preemptive strike, even if Russia's actions turn out to be only intimidating.

[Sithara007]

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Secondly, the United States has already stated that after Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will immediately be destroyed, followed by the Baltic Fleet. Then a pause will be made to assess the situation. But if NATO receives information that will indicate specific actions aimed at the use of nuclear weapons, then the alliance can activate a developed program that allows for 40 minutes to destroy any country with non-nuclear weapons, even such a large one as Russia. Putin is so intimidating the world with nuclear weapons that NATO can believe it and launch a preemptive strike, even if Russia's actions turn out to be only intimidating.

So the Americans will destroy the Russian navy, and in return the Russians will sit back and watch? By the time Americans rain their nukes on the Baltic and Black Sea fleets, the Russian Pacific Fleet will nuke the cities on West Coast of the United States. Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons. Even if they can achieve a success rate of 1%, entire population of the United States will be wiped out from the surface of the earth. Anyway, I am not expecting anything big in the next couple of months. Russia is yet to exhaust all of its non-nuclear options.

[Ozero]

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Secondly, the United States has already stated that after Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will immediately be destroyed, followed by the Baltic Fleet. Then a pause will be made to assess the situation. But if NATO receives information that will indicate specific actions aimed at the use of nuclear weapons, then the alliance can activate a developed program that allows for 40 minutes to destroy any country with non-nuclear weapons, even such a large one as Russia. Putin is so intimidating the world with nuclear weapons that NATO can believe it and launch a preemptive strike, even if Russia's actions turn out to be only intimidating.

So the Americans will destroy the Russian navy, and in return the Russians will sit back and watch? By the time Americans rain their nukes on the Baltic and Black Sea fleets, the Russian Pacific Fleet will nuke the cities on West Coast of the United States. Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons. Even if they can achieve a success rate of 1%, entire population of the United States will be wiped out from the surface of the earth. Anyway, I am not expecting anything big in the next couple of months. Russia is yet to exhaust all of its non-nuclear options.

In our world, it is very dangerous to simply threaten someone with a nuclear weapon. The world has long come to the conclusion that it has accumulated so many nuclear weapons that they can destroy the entire planet several times. Therefore, the correct conclusion was drawn that there would be no winners in a nuclear war. If a powerful nuclear bomb explodes at one end of the globe, its negative impact will manifest itself in all corners of our planet. It is also true that no one will sit idly by if anyone dares to threaten the use of nuclear weapons against any small or large neighboring or distant state. Because everyone will suffer from the consequences of nuclear explosions to varying degrees.

Putin attacked Ukraine and is trying to conquer its territory. Ukraine has the right to defend its sovereignty and is successfully defending itself. Already at this stage, the international community must take all measures to pacify the aggressor. If the aggressor also tries to threaten with nuclear weapons, and the threat of their use is real, a preventive strike by the international community must be delivered to eliminate such a threat. Otherwise, our civilization may perish. There is simply no other way. If in this case you give in to the aggressor, then he will go further and spread his criminal influence over the whole world, which is also unacceptable.

[DrBeer]

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Secondly, the United States has already stated that after Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will immediately be destroyed, followed by the Baltic Fleet. Then a pause will be made to assess the situation. But if NATO receives information that will indicate specific actions aimed at the use of nuclear weapons, then the alliance can activate a developed program that allows for 40 minutes to destroy any country with non-nuclear weapons, even such a large one as Russia. Putin is so intimidating the world with nuclear weapons that NATO can believe it and launch a preemptive strike, even if Russia's actions turn out to be only intimidating.

So the Americans will destroy the Russian navy, and in return the Russians will sit back and watch? By the time Americans rain their nukes on the Baltic and Black Sea fleets, the Russian Pacific Fleet will nuke the cities on West Coast of the United States. Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons. Even if they can achieve a success rate of 1%, entire population of the United States will be wiped out from the surface of the earth. Anyway, I am not expecting anything big in the next couple of months. Russia is yet to exhaust all of its non-nuclear options.

In our world, it is very dangerous to simply threaten someone with a nuclear weapon. The world has long come to the conclusion that it has accumulated so many nuclear weapons that they can destroy the entire planet several times. Therefore, the correct conclusion was drawn that there would be no winners in a nuclear war. If a powerful nuclear bomb explodes at one end of the globe, its negative impact will manifest itself in all corners of our planet. It is also true that no one will sit idly by if anyone dares to threaten the use of nuclear weapons against any small or large neighboring or distant state. Because everyone will suffer from the consequences of nuclear explosions to varying degrees.

Putin attacked Ukraine and is trying to conquer its territory. Ukraine has the right to defend its sovereignty and is successfully defending itself. Already at this stage, the international community must take all measures to pacify the aggressor. If the aggressor also tries to threaten with nuclear weapons, and the threat of their use is real, a preventive strike by the international community must be delivered to eliminate such a threat. Otherwise, our civilization may perish. There is simply no other way. If in this case you give in to the aggressor, then he will go further and spread his criminal influence over the whole world, which is also unacceptable.

Shaking the "gray-haired flabby nuclear scrotum" is all that is left for "great Russia". Russia has essentially lost the conventional war. And they understand that the hour is not far off when the bald miserable Fuhrer on Red Square will be torn apart by his own subjects, and Russia will become a pariah country, and will soon cease to exist, torn from the inside. Therefore, the Kremlin has no choice but to "drive the show-off" and try to "take on the show-off" - which, in general, is in good agreement with the behavior of the "St. Petersburg gopnik." But both the bald man and his entourage are well aware that the myth of Russia's military power has been dispelled, of course there are nuclear weapons, but with a high probability most of the missiles will not fly far from the launch sites, while Putin and his entourage will be physically destroyed. I do not exclude, of course, that there will be an attempt, as if "accidentally" to make at least one strike with tactical nuclear warheads, but ... then the road to hell for all of Russia will be guaranteed and implemented as soon as possible. Whether the accomplices of the Kremlin distant dwarf will want to go to the next world with fortunes and a desire to live - that is the question. It is possible that we will see Putin in a cage, who will be transported through all of Ukraine to The Hague

[pooya87]

If a powerful nuclear bomb explodes at one end of the globe, its negative impact will manifest itself in all corners of our planet. It is also true that no one will sit idly by if anyone dares to threaten the use of nuclear weapons against any small or large neighboring or distant state. Because everyone will suffer from the consequences of nuclear explosions to varying degrees.

A nuclear war where 2 nuclear powers hit each other to mutual destruction is different from one nuclear power nuking another unarmed nation. In other words history suggests this part of your comment not correct. United States dropped 2 atomic bombs on 2 Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki wiping out their entire population. There was no negative impact elsewhere on the planet and only Japanese people suffered from this atrocity.

[Sithara007]

If a powerful nuclear bomb explodes at one end of the globe, its negative impact will manifest itself in all corners of our planet. It is also true that no one will sit idly by if anyone dares to threaten the use of nuclear weapons against any small or large neighboring or distant state. Because everyone will suffer from the consequences of nuclear explosions to varying degrees.

A nuclear war where 2 nuclear powers hit each other to mutual destruction is different from one nuclear power nuking another unarmed nation. In other words history suggests this part of your comment not correct. United States dropped 2 atomic bombs on 2 Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki wiping out their entire population. There was no negative impact elsewhere on the planet and only Japanese people suffered from this atrocity.

Uranium is used in nuclear weapons and the radiation dies out very quickly AFAIK. On the other hand, radiation from nuclear reactors last for more time, because most of it comes from Cesium and Iodine. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rebuilt in very quick time, and both these cities have huge populations now (in case of Hiroshima, greater than 1 million). On the other hand, large parts of irradiated area within Chernobyl exclusion zone is still unfit for human inhabitation (in total measures thousands of square kilometers in Ukraine and Belarus).

[DrBeer]

If a powerful nuclear bomb explodes at one end of the globe, its negative impact will manifest itself in all corners of our planet. It is also true that no one will sit idly by if anyone dares to threaten the use of nuclear weapons against any small or large neighboring or distant state. Because everyone will suffer from the consequences of nuclear explosions to varying degrees.

A nuclear war where 2 nuclear powers hit each other to mutual destruction is different from one nuclear power nuking another unarmed nation. In other words history suggests this part of your comment not correct. United States dropped 2 atomic bombs on 2 Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki wiping out their entire population. There was no negative impact elsewhere on the planet and only Japanese people suffered from this atrocity.

Dear pooya87
Try not to idealize, but simply realistically assess the situation?
1. "Great Russia", which has "the second most powerful army in the world", attacked Ukraine, where, according to the miserable breed of the Fuhrer, there were "small groups of Nazis ( what's with the grandfather's head)", which are the same " Great Russia" was supposed to be destroyed in "a couple of weeks".
2. now "Great Russia" (+ list of fake statuses - see item 1) is begging for negotiations from Ukraine. At the same time, she already definitely lost the war (and not the "special operation for 3 weeks"), by conventional means, to Ukraine
3. And realizing that Ukraine "had in mind" Russia, she took the last measure - to threaten a NUCLEAR-FREE country with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!

Nothing bothers you?

But this is the first part, just the facts. The second part is even more difficult for Russia.
Your "wet rashist fantasies" that nuclear terror, even when using tactical nuclear weapons, will give you victory is a fake. Moreover, this is the path to the total destruction of Russia itself, because. the answer will follow immediately. And the use of STRATEGIC nuclear weapons will mean the guaranteed destruction of Russia not only as a state, but as a TERRITORY!

No, of course self-hypnosis about "greatness" and "analogue-shit" weapons is strong ... But in reality it doesn’t work There was such an expression "Pyrrhic victory", now there will be "Russian victory", which will mean a total loss, with official version of "victory"

[pooya87]

@DrBeer did you even read my comment?! I'm pointing out the only case in history where a nuclear armed nation nukes another unarmed nation and the effects or rather lack of it elsewhere. Where did it even talk about "Russian greatness" and all that other nonsense that you keep repeating in all your posts?!!!

[DrBeer]

@DrBeer did you even read my comment?! I'm pointing out the only case in history where a nuclear armed nation nukes another unarmed nation and the effects or rather lack of it elsewhere. Where did it even talk about "Russian greatness" and all that other nonsense that you keep repeating in all your posts?!!!

1. The stupid things you said about - one crazy grandfather constantly talks, who constantly rubs his nuclear testicles ... grandmother's testicles in front of the whole world
2. Concerning the fact resulted by you - NO remarks! That's exactly what it was! And let's not care about the worthless fact that Japan attacked China, the USA, the USSR, British Hong Kong, Thailand, British Malaya, the Dutch East Indies, Guam, Wake Island, the Gilbert Islands, Borneo and the Philippines ....
At the same time, they behaved ... how to more accurately convey their bastardity ... And, like today's rashists - violence, the killing of civilians, torture, rape ... True, the toilets did not steal ... Well, the Japanese knew in the 40s of the last century What is a toilet
And of course I agree that even against such a bastard regime, the use of nuclear weapons is not the right move.
But, again, you misrepresented something, somehow pretended that you don’t know reality Now the situation is different - the country is a global terrorist attacking a neighboring country that they themselves signed up to protect and respect its borders and ensure its inviolability. The terrorist country heroically declares a "2-3 week short operation to denify ()", which has been going on for 9 .. but months ... And the great army of the terrorist country, losing day by day, cowardly begins to threaten a NUCLEAR-FREE country, nuclear weapons. Be a man, don't be a liar, it's not always convenient, of course, but it's HONEST!

... and this is the second example of the threat of the use of nuclear weapons, only extremely vile, vile and cowardly

[pooya87]

And of course I agree that even against such a bastard regime, the use of nuclear weapons is not the right move.

Usage of any type of weapons of mass destruction against any country under any circumstances is wrong.
Whether it is Nukes that Russia is threatening others with or the biological WMDs that US has been manufacturing inside Ukraine (and elsewhere) and have been threatening the whole world with.

the country is a global terrorist attacking a neighboring country that they themselves signed up to protect and respect its borders and ensure its inviolability. The terrorist country heroically declares a "2-3 week short operation to denify ()", which has been going on for 9 .. but months ...

Your problem is that you don't want to believe that there is no difference between Russia and United States.
The "special operation" inside Afghanistan was also supposed to be very short and yet those "terrorists" got stuck in Afghanistan for 20 years while murdering civilians. The more they lost the more violent they got and destroyed more of that beautiful country. They even used the biggest non-nuclear bomb (eq. 11 tons TNT) there to cover up their weakness.

[cabron]

And of course I agree that even against such a bastard regime, the use of nuclear weapons is not the right move.

Usage of any type of weapons of mass destruction against any country under any circumstances is wrong.
Whether it is Nukes that Russia is threatening others with or the biological WMDs that US has been manufacturing inside Ukraine (and elsewhere) and have been threatening the whole world with.

the country is a global terrorist attacking a neighboring country that they themselves signed up to protect and respect its borders and ensure its inviolability. The terrorist country heroically declares a "2-3 week short operation to denify ()", which has been going on for 9 .. but months ...

Your problem is that you don't want to believe that there is no difference between Russia and United States.
The "special operation" inside Afghanistan was also supposed to be very short and yet those "terrorists" got stuck in Afghanistan for 20 years while murdering civilians. The more they lost the more violent they got and destroyed more of that beautiful country. They even used the biggest non-nuclear bomb (eq. 11 tons TNT) there to cover up their weakness.

Its what people heard from the media though. Once they heard it, its stick to their mind that Russia is a terrorist.  Same as generally the people think of Muslims because its been said over and over on the media. And mostly the tv viewers look at one side of the story not looking at history and who fueled the fight.

If the war between China and Taiwan also erupts, they'd also call China as terrorist.

[cabron]

Its what people heard from the media though. Once they heard it, its stick to their mind that Russia is a terrorist.  Same as generally the people think of Muslims because its been said over and over on the media. And mostly the tv viewers look at one side of the story not looking at history and who fueled the fight.

If the war between China and Taiwan also erupts, they'd also call China as terrorist.

have you heard that one country's freedom fighter is another country terrorist
So the fight is different and there is different meaning attached to it as well. Wheat war is not going to happen. This is for sure. I have my words - mark them

Who do you think is the freedom fighter between Russia and Ukraine?

In Afghanistan, the Talibans were also called terrorist until they won which they are now in control and now they are the government. So its just it, they are called terrorist until they win. If you consider the freedom of Ukraine then what about the freedom of Russia?

[pooya87]

Its what people heard from the media though. Once they heard it, its stick to their mind that Russia is a terrorist.

Although as I've told him before, using the term "terrorist" makes no sense about Russia but in a way his comments here make some sense considering that he claims to be from Ukraine. It's tough when another country is bombing your cities.

Wheat war is not going to happen. This is for sure. I have my words - mark them

It is marked because the "food war" is already happening.

In Afghanistan, the Talibans were also called terrorist until they won which they are now in control and now they are the government. So its just it, they are called terrorist until they win. If you consider the freedom of Ukraine then what about the freedom of Russia?

The more messed up thing is that sometimes they aren't terrorists until they start losing. Like ISIS or Da'esh! Initially while they were cutting heads off, US was calling them "freedom fighters" fighting Asad regime as opposition!!!
But then Iran started the war against these terrorists with the help of the Resistance and as their defeat became apparent, US started changing its position...

[DrBeer]

And of course I agree that even against such a bastard regime, the use of nuclear weapons is not the right move.

Usage of any type of weapons of mass destruction against any country under any circumstances is wrong.
Whether it is Nukes that Russia is threatening others with or the biological WMDs that US has been manufacturing inside Ukraine (and elsewhere) and have been threatening the whole world with.

I respect any reasoned and logical opinion, even if it contradicts my views. And despite our differences of opinion, I respect you as an apponenit. But ! When you start telling frank nonsense - it's not a dialogue anymore
Let's make it simpler: bring here, to me and others, the FACTS about the US SECRET LABORATORIES on the territory of UKRAINE, where, in your words, "biological weapons of mass destruction that the United States produces in Ukraine"?

the country is a global terrorist attacking a neighboring country that they themselves signed up to protect and respect its borders and ensure its inviolability. The terrorist country heroically declares a "2-3 week short operation to denify ()", which has been going on for 9 .. but months ...

Your problem is that you don't want to believe that there is no difference between Russia and United States.
The "special operation" inside Afghanistan was also supposed to be very short and yet those "terrorists" got stuck in Afghanistan for 20 years while murdering civilians. The more they lost the more violent they got and destroyed more of that beautiful country. They even used the biggest non-nuclear bomb (eq. 11 tons TNT) there to cover up their weakness.

I have no problem, I appreciate the actions of both sides. And for example, I agree that the reason for the start of the military operation in Iran was very dubious "facts", which in the end turned out to be fake. And in the same way, I evaluate the "fake", and constantly changing "reasons" for Russia's terrorist war against Ukraine. It was in different periods of time - language, then denazification, then liberation, then coercion, now openly - the seizure of new territories. At the same time, this fact remains a fact - this war was unleashed by Russia, and Russia is an aggressor, moreover, using the most vile methods of waging a terrorist war - the bombing of peaceful cities, residential buildings, the destruction of people on a national basis, sadism, violence, the massacre of civilians, attempts concealment of crimes, torture and looting. These are all FACTS.
Yesterday, in Kyiv, 3 kilometers from my house, I personally watched through the windows how a Russian missile hit an infrastructural CIVIL object! And also the center of Kyiv was subjected to a missile attack, where ordinary civilians were killed. Maybe something from what I said you can refute, argue and prove that I'm lying?

[pooya87]

Let's make it simpler: bring here, to me and others, the FACTS about the US SECRET LABORATORIES on the territory of UKRAINE, where, in your words, "biological weapons of mass destruction that the United States produces in Ukraine"?

Not just Ukraine but in a lot of other places the colonizers have occupied. I've already said it before and something that the US State Department has already admitted to doesn't leave any room for discussion!

And for example, I agree that the reason for the start of the military operation in Iran was very dubious "facts", which in the end turned out to be fake.

Iraq not Iran.

Maybe something from what I said you can refute, argue and prove that I'm lying?

There is nothing to refute when you said what I've been saying all this time. All these fake superpowers like US and Russia invade any country they can or want to. During their invasion, the more battles they lose the more aggressive they get.

It was 2 or 3 months ago that I said here that Russians are going to do the same thing in Ukraine that Americans did in Afghanistan. I even mentioned the MOAB they dropped on Afghanistan and said Russia is going to do something similar...

[cabron]

Big organization like NATO has to provide solution to the conflicts since they claimed to be a peaceful bloc. But from what we could see is that they offer non, for them its all about control which we can see thru the sanctions and regime change.

In this conflict, only Russia seem to be open to negotiation. They even warn that Ukraine's NATO entry will result to war but they still pushes it.
Now that each party have been gathering allies already, its becoming harder to prevent.

[btcfinans]

Big organization like NATO has to provide solution to the conflicts since they claimed to be a peaceful bloc. But from what we could see is that they offer non, for them its all about control which we can see thru the sanctions and regime change.

In this conflict, only Russia seem to be open to negotiation. They even warn that Ukraine's NATO entry will result to war but they still pushes it.
Now that each party have been gathering allies already, its becoming harder to prevent.

"NATO was constructed on the - with the reason, whether one believes it or not, that it was going to defend Western Europe from Russian assault. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union was beginning to collapse, that reason was gone. So, first question: why does NATO exist?" - Noam Chomsky

[pooya87]

This is sheer propaganda what wheat war is going to happen - nothing like this will ever happen.

LOL it's like saying "Russian invasion of Ukraine is sheer propaganda"!!!
Things that are already happening are not propaganda. The food war is already happening just like the invasion of Ukraine. The only thing left open for discussion is whether this food war is going to lead to more armed conflict to which I say there is a pretty good chance it does.

[DrBeer]

Big organization like NATO has to provide solution to the conflicts since they claimed to be a peaceful bloc. But from what we could see is that they offer non, for them its all about control which we can see thru the sanctions and regime change.

In this conflict, only Russia seem to be open to negotiation. They even warn that Ukraine's NATO entry will result to war but they still pushes it.
Now that each party have been gathering allies already, its becoming harder to prevent.

"NATO was constructed on the - with the reason, whether one believes it or not, that it was going to defend Western Europe from Russian assault. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union was beginning to collapse, that reason was gone. So, first question: why does NATO exist?" - Noam Chomsky

The answer is extremely simple - in the world, in addition to the collapsed rotten Soviet Union, there are still many idiots who dream of world domination, "everyone into nuclear ashes" and periodically rattling their aggressive "bells".
The only thing I will note is that a series of changes in the structures of world interaction awaits us. NATO will also be changed, which for a very long time emphasized its essence as almost only a fight against the Kremlin, and will become an alliance that ensures stability in all regions.
So are other international organizations that today have shown themselves to be impotent, absolutely useless, creating only the appearance of work, or not fulfilling their duties at all - the UN, the Red Cross and many others.

[Sithara007]

"NATO was constructed on the - with the reason, whether one believes it or not, that it was going to defend Western Europe from Russian assault. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union was beginning to collapse, that reason was gone. So, first question: why does NATO exist?" - Noam Chomsky

NATO's purpose was never the ones that they proclaim openly. NATO is an American pet project, where the US treat their allies just a bit better than slaves. And this is why powerful countries such as Turkey are increasingly turning rebellious (by ordering Russian air defense systems). Ever since the collapse and disintegration of the USSR in 1992, I don't think that there have been a single positive contribution from the NATO. All they have done is to bomb third world nations such Serbia, Libya and Iraq to rubble.

[bocyaj]

If the people want to stop the war between the Russia and Ukraine.They need to support the Ukraine for sure.Ukraine is not a first involved country in the war.Secondly the second nation Ukraine is weaker country.To immediate stop of the war is supporting the weak nation.But the support should not made with the future benefits then the peace talk at the end.United Nation Security Council can make a speak talk between the nation and make this to the smooth peace talk.

[DrBeer]

"NATO was constructed on the - with the reason, whether one believes it or not, that it was going to defend Western Europe from Russian assault. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union was beginning to collapse, that reason was gone. So, first question: why does NATO exist?" - Noam Chomsky

NATO's purpose was never the ones that they proclaim openly. NATO is an American pet project, where the US treat their allies just a bit better than slaves. And this is why powerful countries such as Turkey are increasingly turning rebellious (by ordering Russian air defense systems). Ever since the collapse and disintegration of the USSR in 1992, I don't think that there have been a single positive contribution from the NATO. All they have done is to bomb third world nations such Serbia, Libya and Iraq to rubble.

And besides exclusively your fantasies, do you have any arguments in favor of yours, well, let it be "theories"? Well, for example - the United States forces you to buy only their weapons and prohibits the production of your own. Or does it not help other NATO members? Or does it not provide technological, financial, consulting support? Or takes away from NATO members their money, factories, land?
Or something else that can be equated with the relationship between "master and slave"?

Why I ask a question - I often hear the sound of words from you, but they are almost never followed by any real arguments, facts. Those. it's just a sound, because you want to count so much

[Sithara007]

And besides exclusively your fantasies, do you have any arguments in favor of yours, well, let it be "theories"? Well, for example - the United States forces you to buy only their weapons and prohibits the production of your own. Or does it not help other NATO members? Or does it not provide technological, financial, consulting support? Or takes away from NATO members their money, factories, land?
Or something else that can be equated with the relationship between "master and slave"?

Why I ask a question - I often hear the sound of words from you, but they are almost never followed by any real arguments, facts. Those. it's just a sound, because you want to count so much

There was a lot of controversy when Turkey decided to purchase the S-400 air-defense system from Russia. The Americans actually threatened to push Turkey out of the F-35 program in retaliation. If you believe that all this is propaganda, then you can go through the information that is available in the public domain. Even Saudi Arabia was initially interested in the S-400 systems, but then the Syria war started and the deal failed as Russia and Saudi Arabia were on the opposing sides in the conflict.

[pooya87]

This is sheer propaganda what wheat war is going to happen - nothing like this will ever happen.

LOL it's like saying "Russian invasion of Ukraine is sheer propaganda"!!!
Things that are already happening are not propaganda. The food war is already happening just like the invasion of Ukraine. The only thing left open for discussion is whether this food war is going to lead to more armed conflict to which I say there is a pretty good chance it does.

Russia invaded Ukraine - took away all they had. Even food and their utensils so that they die of hunger
But that is temporary - and this would not make another war. This is for sure. There is so much support Ukraine already has gained from EU - ofcourse they should step fwd to help them with food crisis. Not only to put sanctions on Russia to pull Russia down

Food war is way bigger than Russia-Ukraine conflict and that conflict is only a small part of it.
For example China has been buying and storing all the grains they can. Last I checked they had stored more than 60% of all the grains in the world and were still mass purchasing.
Most countries halted their food related exports or halted then resumed at a decreased capacity.
Europe is desperate for food that the small shipments Russia released from Ukraine ports was swallowed whole by Europeans.
US has been stealing the Ukrainian grains from their ports as much as they can despite them being a big producer themselves.
There is a serious shortage of fertilizers going on in the world because of this war that is going to lead to a big decrease in farmers' yield next year.

[bakasabo]

Wheat war has thrown society back to times when two tribes can not decide who will have the largest share of killed mammoth, and the control belongs to those who has more food.

I just hope that the world has made conclusions of wheat shortage and in future there wont be situations like "worlds salt supplies are soon to end humanity is again in danger".

I havent been following "wheat war" news for a while. It seems that situation is still not under control and scientists still hasnt figured out how to substitute it.

[DrBeer]

And besides exclusively your fantasies, do you have any arguments in favor of yours, well, let it be "theories"? Well, for example - the United States forces you to buy only their weapons and prohibits the production of your own. Or does it not help other NATO members? Or does it not provide technological, financial, consulting support? Or takes away from NATO members their money, factories, land?
Or something else that can be equated with the relationship between "master and slave"?

Why I ask a question - I often hear the sound of words from you, but they are almost never followed by any real arguments, facts. Those. it's just a sound, because you want to count so much

There was a lot of controversy when Turkey decided to purchase the S-400 air-defense system from Russia. The Americans actually threatened to push Turkey out of the F-35 program in retaliation. If you believe that all this is propaganda, then you can go through the information that is available in the public domain. Even Saudi Arabia was initially interested in the S-400 systems, but then the Syria war started and the deal failed as Russia and Saudi Arabia were on the opposing sides in the conflict.

I know this story
Only you didn't tell it all and not completely. Again, for some reason, without saying some nuances ... I do not exclude that out of habit

If you read purely Russian news (read - state propaganda, mostly false, as everyone has already seen), then the situation is as follows: Turkey announced that it had acquired S-400s from Russia. was forced, because Allegedly, this is all a consequence of the US refusal to supply it with Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM). Sounds nice right? Too bad it's not true
Officially, and it's easy enough to check the reasons were different, and some of them are probably intentional.
I'll start a little further. Russia has positioned since the 80s that it is the "best manufacturer" of many military systems. Tanks, air defense, and much more were exclusively "unparalleled" and "the closest competitors still have to catch up with Russia in 20-30-40 years." But we already know that this is a fake

But back to Turkey. What do they have in service, in air defense?
- M41A1 Duster, yes yes, these old men, coaxial 40 mm machine guns
- ZSU Korkut from the Turkish company ASELSAN
- ZSU SSA, with two automatic guns Oerlikon KDC-02 caliber 35 mm, which are produced in Turkey (under a Swiss license). I will not list other systems, it is not interesting. Stepping up a step:
- mobile command posts on the M113 armored personnel carrier chassis (US license), with AN / MPQ-64 Sentinel radar (Hughes Aircraft Co. USA)
- "Light" MANPADS - Stingers and a large number of missiles for them, including licensed ones produced in Turkey (under US license). And let's move on to global, medium-long-range combat air defense.

The basis of Turkish air defense is long-range anti-aircraft missile systems that provide cover for strategically important objects of the armed forces, government and industry. And let's guess what these systems are?? Exactly! The Turkish army is armed with 3PK MIM-14 Nike-Hercules, Hok air defense systems. From the 80s to today, the global air defense system continues to be built on these systems!
Yes, and of course we will remember the S-400! I'm not the Russian media to lie and hide the truth ...and in 2017-2019 Turkey bought 4 S-400 divisions The Kremlin's screeching about the "big contract" turned out to be the expected fake.
BUT ! at least 1 division, in a FULL set (and there is an assumption that 2) left ... to the "fierce enemy of Turkey" - to .. USA! In order to calmly disassemble, try to find something "unparalleled" and adapt your systems to deal with the C400. And as you know, but you will probably say “no no no, it didn’t happen”, these “unparalleled” complexes “protected” the temporarily occupied Ukrainian Crimea, and shamefully missed Turkish Bayraktars, Ukrainian missiles, and American ones The world saw that the Russian army and the defense industry are fake, useless backward technology and stupid advertising, behind which there is nothing!

And today, for very understandable reasons, Turkey no longer purchases the Russian "iron misunderstanding", not only uses advanced Western systems, but also developed its own systems, for example, HISAR-U Siper

[electronicash]

Wheat war has thrown society back to times when two tribes can not decide who will have the largest share of killed mammoth, and the control belongs to those who has more food.

I just hope that the world has made conclusions of wheat shortage and in future there wont be situations like "worlds salt supplies are soon to end humanity is again in danger".

I havent been following "wheat war" news for a while. It seems that situation is still not under control and scientists still hasnt figured out how to substitute it.

between this crossfire is EU who suffer the most because beside the cold winter is hunger as well. most of the grains are already hoarded by China who has more than 50% of the supply. they are aware of what is going to happen, they have famine in the past.

Ukraine will be destroyed. they still could avoid this if they just want the peace and go on. fight again when they are capable.

[worldofcoins]

To some extent, your point can be considered correct; hunger is a significant problem worldwide in all ERA. Also, your point on Ukraine and Russia can be actual, but my point here is that food prices have increased worldwide.
You can not blame the Russian invasion of Ukraine as the only factor for the price hike.
Yes, it can be one of the factors but not a sole responsible factor.

[Tallupooh]

Because perhaps, wheat is a staple food that must be consumed. Food is the most important thing for humans. If there is no food, humans will die of starvation. Therefore, if wheat starts to become scarce, surely some people will start fighting over the wheat, and chaos begins.

[G_Besar]

Because perhaps, wheat is a staple food that must be consumed. Food is the most important thing for humans. If there is no food, humans will die of starvation. Therefore, if wheat starts to become scarce, surely some people will start fighting over the wheat, and chaos begins.

If that's considered a problem, then I think there are a few things that everyone can do and one of them is to find a substitute when the wheat that is usually consumed is getting scarce and also when an item like wheat becomes scarce, then the price will also become very expensive. because it is a food ingredient that is needed every day by people who consume it.

[DrBeer]

Ukraine will be destroyed. they still could avoid this if they just want the peace and go on. fight again when they are capable.

 

Can I have some arguments, well, so that it simply would not be a "performance of a lone clown"? Oh propagandist! It's the same though

The world terrorist country has already broken not only almost all its teeth about Ukraine, but now shamefully fled from the Kharkov region, with huge losses, cowardly fleeing from the south of Ukraine and other territories. At the same time, they have already stooped to the point that they are begging for weapons from Iran and North Korea! "Great Russia", "the second army of the world", "the world will not live without gas and oil from Russia" - these are all very funny jokes
PS. The only nuance, unfortunately, I will assume that the cowardly escape from the south of Ukraine will become part of the "show" for the rashist society. Most likely, people who are almost forcibly prepared for evacuation to the left bank of the Dnieper will be shot there. This is a classic move by a terrorist country (remember how they blew up residential buildings with sleeping civilians in Russia to justify the attack on independent Ichkeria). Then, with a high probability, there will be an attempt to destroy the hydroelectric power station in order to pass it all off as "crimes of Ukraine" ...

[VanillaH]

I don't know if WWIII will happen because of that, but this issue really highlights the pitfalls of globalization. Countries should strive to be independent in sectors such as energy or food production!

[Argoo]

To some extent, your point can be considered correct; hunger is a significant problem worldwide in all ERA. Also, your point on Ukraine and Russia can be actual, but my point here is that food prices have increased worldwide.
You can not blame the Russian invasion of Ukraine as the only factor for the price hike.
Yes, it can be one of the factors but not a sole responsible factor.

The problem of food shortages will only grow with time. However, it was Putin's Russia that sharply exacerbated this problem with its military attack on Ukraine and the blockade of Ukraine's seaports this year. As a result, more than 21 million tons of grain and other agricultural products have accumulated in the ports of Ukraine, which it could not export to other countries under previously concluded agreements. At the initiative of Ukraine, the UN got involved in resolving this issue, and Russia was forced, through the mediation of Turkey, to conclude an agreement on the unhindered export of grain from the ports of Ukraine.

On October 29, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced the suspension of participation in the implementation of the grain corridor. As a reason, they named the attack of drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol on October 29, in which the Russian Federation accused Ukraine and Great Britain. As a result of a well-planned and executed attack, the Russian Black Sea Fleet lost 70 percent of its combat capability. To a large extent, it was his ships that fired their missiles at the peaceful cities of Ukraine and blocked merchant shipping in the Black Sea.

Given this, Turkey, Ukraine and the UN still agreed on the departure of 14 ships with grain from Ukrainian ports on October 31. Another four ships entered the ports of Ukraine. At present, all declared ships with 354.5 thousand tons of agricultural products have already left the ports of Odessa, Chernomorsk and Pivdenny for the countries of Africa, Asia and Europe.
Russia was simply informed about it. No one will ask Russia any more and pay attention to its threats, and any provocation will end for her in the worst scenario.

[pooya87]

Disruption in the grain shipment is going to increase the pressure on global food situation again and the more the conflict between Russia and Ukraine intensifies as they both use this safe trade route to attack each other the worse the situation is going to get.

The only positive news is that other countries aren't reacting to this like the first time (when they halted exports entirely) so there may not be the same shortage and price rise like that time.

[Sithara007]

Disruption in the grain shipment is going to increase the pressure on global food situation again and the more the conflict between Russia and Ukraine intensifies as they both use this safe trade route to attack each other the worse the situation is going to get.

The only positive news is that other countries aren't reacting to this like the first time (when they halted exports entirely) so there may not be the same shortage and price rise like that time.

Wheat prices are currently hovering at around $320-325 per tonne, which is around 100% higher than the levels we had in 2020. And the disruption has affected Russian wheat exports as well. Americans have blackmailed poorer nations not to purchase Russian grain, and Turkey is creating issues for Russian grain shipments in the Bosporus. And it is not just wheat. Corn, sunflower oil, barley and soybean oil prices are up after the deal was cancelled by Russia. And we have to remember that fertilizer supplies are also running low, due to issues related to potash fertilizer transport from Russia and Belarus, and also due to the high natural gas prices (impacting Ammonia fertilizer).

[yohananaomi]

If the people want to stop the war between the Russia and Ukraine.They need to support the Ukraine for sure.Ukraine is not a first involved country in the war.Secondly the second nation Ukraine is weaker country.To immediate stop of the war is supporting the weak nation.But the support should not made with the future benefits then the peace talk at the end.United Nation Security Council can make a speak talk between the nation and make this to the smooth peace talk.

It seems that if you want peace, you have to eliminate each other's egos and not feel the weakest or strongest, because if this dichotomy is expressed, no one will want to be blamed for sure. let the past not need to be brought up for a while as long as the negotiations have not been carried out and want to be carried out.
The role of the security council is very important and I agree with that, so that whatever will be done can be known and who violates the peace can be subject to sanctions.
what is needed now is to stop the war first and sit down in negotiations, the impact that has occurred will be discussed later when peace has occurred.

interference from other countries must be stopped immediately, so that nothing will add to the difficulty of the negotiations when they are about to be carried out.
#peace #nowar

[YUriy1991]

Yes, this is a global issue. I think the government in this regard is very responsible and on the other hand many Agronomists and researchers are constantly working to increase yields and expand crop production but other problems that they cannot cover are increasing water scarcity, depletion of arable land and other big problems.

I remember that the law of 'Demand Supply' will be very positive when it comes to food crisis if it arrives at the right time (Point 6).

[Argoo]

If the people want to stop the war between the Russia and Ukraine.They need to support the Ukraine for sure.Ukraine is not a first involved country in the war.Secondly the second nation Ukraine is weaker country.To immediate stop of the war is supporting the weak nation.But the support should not made with the future benefits then the peace talk at the end.United Nation Security Council can make a speak talk between the nation and make this to the smooth peace talk.

It seems that if you want peace, you have to eliminate each other's egos and not feel the weakest or strongest, because if this dichotomy is expressed, no one will want to be blamed for sure. let the past not need to be brought up for a while as long as the negotiations have not been carried out and want to be carried out.
The role of the security council is very important and I agree with that, so that whatever will be done can be known and who violates the peace can be subject to sanctions.
what is needed now is to stop the war first and sit down in negotiations, the impact that has occurred will be discussed later when peace has occurred.

interference from other countries must be stopped immediately, so that nothing will add to the difficulty of the negotiations when they are about to be carried out.
#peace #nowar

The problem, first of all, is that Putin's Russia does not recognize other negotiations, except for negotiations on its enslaving terms, it wants to secure the territories occupied in Ukraine, and above all the Crimean peninsula. Such conditions are unacceptable for Ukraine. Moreover, every day Russia commits terrorist acts against Ukraine, firing missiles at the peaceful cities of Ukraine and their inhabitants. More than 4,500 cruise missiles have already been fired across Ukraine, not counting the daily shelling of civilian infrastructure with artillery, MLRS and other military equipment. Therefore, Ukraine has already stated that it will not negotiate with the Putin regime.

And there are good reasons for this. During the eight months of the war, the Russian regular army of approximately 270,000 men, which invaded Ukraine in February, has now been practically defeated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russia already has an acute shortage of both manpower and weapons. Therefore, Putin announced mobilization and asks for weapons in Belarus, Iran, China and North Korea. But neither the mobilization of "fresh unprepared meat" nor foreign weapons will save the Putin regime. Mobilization has only sharply exacerbated the internal contradictions in Russia and may become the cause of its collapse.

In the last ten days alone, since October 21, Russia has lost 6520 people killed, 141 tanks, 267 armored vehicles, 8 aircraft, 15 helicopters and other equipment, as well as a significant part of its Black Sea Fleet.

[Sithara007]

Pakistan has approved a deal to import 300,000 tonnes of what from Russia:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/1/pakistan-approves-deal-to-import-300000-tonnes-of-russian-wheat

The former prime minister of Pakistan (Imran Khan) has been very critical of the decision by the current regime to comply with sanctions against Russia. He is claiming that this has led to inflation at home, and the weakening of the national currency. Government made the move to purchase Russian wheat after protests from Mr.Khan. BTW, India has removed the export ban on wheat and exported grain worth $1.48 billion during Q2 2022. This has helped to bring down the global prices.

[Sayakaaja]

Because perhaps, wheat is a staple food that must be consumed. Food is the most important thing for humans. If there is no food, humans will die of starvation. Therefore, if wheat starts to become scarce, surely some people will start fighting over the wheat, and chaos begins.

If that's considered a problem, then I think there are a few things that everyone can do and one of them is to find a substitute when the wheat that is usually consumed is getting scarce and also when an item like wheat becomes scarce, then the price will also become very expensive. because it is a food ingredient that is needed every day by people who consume it.

if wheat is the problem, then replace wheat with other staple foods.

wheat is not the only food in this world.