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June 07, 2022, 12:35:07 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

To go straight to it, you didn't mention wrestling lol. For wrestling I hardly believe it to be real because of the whole structure of it. It makes it look like pure entertainment and not a sporting competition. I don't know wrestling is considered a sport but it looks all organized in my eyes. And another game is soccer but it is not clear though except when the league is ending then you can suspect that when big players are dropped and those on the pitch keep losing clear chances or goal keepers making mess of balls they could confidently stop.

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June 07, 2022, 12:38:16 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Unless you’re on the inside of the event fixing, I really don’t think we can tell when something is fixed, regardless of how bad officiating may be. I think human officiating is pretty bad all around, so just because a referee is making a bunch of bad calls, I still don’t think that ever tells us anything. Too hard to tell is my opinion.

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June 07, 2022, 12:51:45 PM
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Only after the game, you will start to question what happened. If it's fixed or not. But during a game especially at the start of it, there's no way you can tell if they are like puppets being controlled and already knew the outcome of it.
I think this kind of fixed game mostly happened in single-player sports like boxing. You may have seen some clips where a boxer is just trying to survive the match for a minimum of 2 rounds then will be knocked down with a single jab, not even a haymaker.  Grin

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June 08, 2022, 11:51:20 AM
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Only after the game, you will start to question what happened. If it's fixed or not. But during a game especially at the start of it, there's no way you can tell if they are like puppets being controlled and already knew the outcome of it.
I think this kind of fixed game mostly happened in single-player sports like boxing. You may have seen some clips where a boxer is just trying to survive the match for a minimum of 2 rounds then will be knocked down with a single jab, not even a haymaker.  Grin

I have heard about cases where fixed matches were in football, but not all players were involved, but only a few. But you're right, for obvious reasons, match-fixing is more relevant to individual sports. I would like to know what percentage of incredible comebacks and other unexpected twists in games are rigged, because in fact, even after the game it is difficult to say the reason for what happened.
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June 08, 2022, 12:27:13 PM
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Some fixed games are staged so well they look so real that it may be very difficult to spot or ascertain they were staged. However for people who have been involved in such and been in the game for long, they can spot or sniff irregularities even of concealed to the minimum.

For one, fixed games usually has the officials in charge making decisions that are biased and in favour of one team. If you know the game well and rules, you can tell when a biased decision has been made, and if repeated consecutively in one game, it is a sign of a fixed game.

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June 08, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.

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June 08, 2022, 01:16:33 PM
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Only after the game, you will start to question what happened. If it's fixed or not. But during a game especially at the start of it, there's no way you can tell if they are like puppets being controlled and already knew the outcome of it.
I think this kind of fixed game mostly happened in single-player sports like boxing. You may have seen some clips where a boxer is just trying to survive the match for a minimum of 2 rounds then will be knocked down with a single jab, not even a haymaker.  Grin
I guess you're just guessing without knowing if the game is fixed or not because even if it gets fixed, we'll never know.
Maybe if the match looks like it's fixed, it can lead us to guess that the match is fixed when it really isn't.
But instead of us just guessing without having clear information, it will make us dizzy and will not be able to enjoy the game.

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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I don't think that wouldn't be a simple stuff to tell if they're rigged or fixed (whatever you call it), that will be hard tbh. I'm more into basketball but there's no easy way to tell it unless you know it for yourself from the people who might arrange these kind of things. I guess our mind can be tricky especially if we are betting someone to win yet we lost but you saw a simple mistake either from the referee/s or from the player, you'll think it's fixed.
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June 08, 2022, 05:44:07 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
If you have been on the industry for many years then you are expert already at knowing these things. A fixed match will be so obvious. For example in basketball, there are players that will intentionally not shot the ball on the ring even if the chance for them to do it is high because they are already close to the ring and there no other players that are guarding them because they are too far away but his will be hard to do if the game is done by animals and not humans because they can not control it.

People will just think that what happen was a normal win and lose between the players. Comebacks can also happen where an underdog can manage to win but it is also possible to tell if there is something fishy.

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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I don't think that wouldn't be a simple stuff to tell if they're rigged or fixed (whatever you call it), that will be hard tbh. I'm more into basketball but there's no easy way to tell it unless you know it for yourself from the people who might arrange these kind of things. I guess our mind can be tricky especially if we are betting someone to win yet we lost but you saw a simple mistake either from the referee/s or from the player, you'll think it's fixed.
One thing that comes into our mind when the outcome or the result of the game is too different from what we expect is that it was a fixed game which is just our assumption. Some games only turned out different simply because sports are sports and anything can happen anytime. The result won't always go in favor of what we want.
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June 08, 2022, 07:00:44 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.

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June 08, 2022, 07:38:50 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.
There are some situations where one can obviously tell that how things are going to end.  Like in early days - when there was less mobile phones and internet access. People used to make guesses. But now people talk with proofs. They have authentic evidence where they can suggest what is going to happen. But obviously these are well connected people.

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June 08, 2022, 07:43:12 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.
There are some situations where one can obviously tell that how things are going to end.  Like in early days - when there was less mobile phones and internet access. People used to make guesses. But now people talk with proofs. They have authentic evidence where they can suggest what is going to happen. But obviously these are well connected people.
Accessibility and ease of connection would really be there but making out guesses and speculation would really be just the same but somehow having these tech or innovations could really make more the conversation
or transaction way more faster in terms of suggestions and recommendations of something.

Telling about on how it would gonna end? Yes, it might really be making out some those first impression but we know that sudden u-turn of events could really happen on point.

There's no way that you could tell on what would be the outcome but you could really eventually notice when there's something wrong but is there something that you can do?

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June 08, 2022, 08:06:15 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I don't think that wouldn't be a simple stuff to tell if they're rigged or fixed (whatever you call it), that will be hard tbh. I'm more into basketball but there's no easy way to tell it unless you know it for yourself from the people who might arrange these kind of things. I guess our mind can be tricky especially if we are betting someone to win yet we lost but you saw a simple mistake either from the referee/s or from the player, you'll think it's fixed.
If you are a watchful person, I believe you can suspect the behavior and expressions of players, coaches and support team, but it's impossible to be assured without further investigations and evidence which must come from someone who is inside the industry, and not from a random spectator. In every sports there are cases of suspicious results people didn't accept by nowadays, although they can't prove anything with certainty at same time.

What gamblers can do is to avoid minor leagues in order to decrease the chance of betting in a fixed match and being "scammed".

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June 08, 2022, 09:05:39 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.
It’s easy to have fixed game on boxing since this only involves two parties and yes this is happening in Boxing, we’ve seen a lot of matches already and you can tell it easily. Even a professional boxers are falling into this kind of deal as long as there’s a good money involve. This can also possible to happen in Basketball but I think only a few players will participate and maybe they are the top players.
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June 08, 2022, 10:04:43 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.
It’s easy to have fixed game on boxing since this only involves two parties and yes this is happening in Boxing, we’ve seen a lot of matches already and you can tell it easily. Even a professional boxers are falling into this kind of deal as long as there’s a good money involve. This can also possible to happen in Basketball but I think only a few players will participate and maybe they are the top players.

It's easy to fix it when there are two or fewer people involved like in boxing, but if you are not watching boxing very often you can hardly see if they are fixing the match, I can easily guess fixing in boxing when there is choreography in their moves and both fighters have no intention to hurt their opponents if both boxers are not coming on strong on their opponents them something is a miss, and a boxing expert can easily sense that.

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June 08, 2022, 10:28:05 PM
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It's easy to fix it when there are two or fewer people involved like in boxing, but if you are not watching boxing very often you can hardly see if they are fixing the match, I can easily guess fixing in boxing when there is choreography in their moves and both fighters have no intention to hurt their opponents if both boxers are not coming on strong on their opponents them something is a miss, and a boxing expert can easily sense that.

You have to be really stupid to fix like that meaning that you set it up before and you both try not to hurt each other. Real fixing works only when only 1 guy knows and he does everything like normal just when he gets a strong hit that would normally end in a stumble or a knockdown, he takes his time and acts like he's out. This is much harder to prove. Also, this almost never happens in higher leagues but the lower you get the dirtier the sports are.

Can you tell? Usually you have that gut feeling that something wasn't right with that fight or game but you also can't prove it. They will say that they had a worse day or got an injury and had to give up.

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June 08, 2022, 10:39:56 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.
^ And also, we saw them in live coverage on our television so it is impossible if the game is scripted just because it is fixed there is already a winner.
I don't think this really happens in that kind of sport but I think just a coincidence and that is right, they are professional in that sport and we know if there are changes while they are in the match. Players also build their reputation not to become fade in the future, so I don't think there is someone willing to risk their dignity.
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June 08, 2022, 11:01:47 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In reality, yes we can tell if a certain match is considered fixed or not. But what evidence can we refer to as solid proof? What we just do is make speculations as even if that match is fixed, we can't back it up properly. There are obviously fixed matches and that really happened, but without a claim officially that there's something wrong behind that match, that's the only time our speculations will be answered.

Although rigged games do really happen, I think it's not that happening or present anymore at a recognized international league. Why these leagues will ruin their reputation in the first place when the fans are the reason why they become BIG. Maybe in small leagues established locally.
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June 08, 2022, 11:07:03 PM
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It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.
^ And also, we saw them in live coverage on our television so it is impossible if the game is scripted just because it is fixed there is already a winner.
I don't think this really happens in that kind of sport but I think just a coincidence and that is right, they are professional in that sport and we know if there are changes while they are in the match. Players also build their reputation not to become fade in the future, so I don't think there is someone willing to risk their dignity.
We are dealing with professional players and if there are some arrangement or agreement on making it a fixed game then this is something that these fellas could able to do so and of course it wont really

be that obvious as much as possible because if they do get caught then they do know on what would be the consequences.We know that fixed matching is possible or could really happen.
You cant say that you could definitely point out if its fixed or not thats why whenever there are some irregularities of their performance then people would always
be coming up with some nasty comments.

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