Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?

[Boristhecat]

From my experience, in most cases, gamblers think that event is fixed, while it's actually not. All the signs point to the conclusion that it was fixed when you lost your bet. That's how our brain works.

But, of course, there are fixed events still. I say "still' because there were much more of them in the past, and, surely, there will be much less of them in the future.

Unless you know from some inside info that event was fixed, you can't tell, imo.

The problem is that there is always very little evidence in this area (if we compare the number of suspicious games with the number of athletes who were actually caught on this) and this almost always remains in the realm of speculation (therefore, as you showed, everyone draws conclusions on the basis of subjective impressions). If I remember correctly, even big and massive cases like that Serie A scandal were more based on suspicion and circumstantial evidence than direct evidence.

[AicecreaME]

eventually we gets more matured and understand how to spot a value based on the line movement.

That's what we should achieve as a gambler, complaining about fixed games is bad, we should already see that it could happen anytime so we can anticipate the kind of approach we will do in betting. Smart bettors are happy with fixed games as they know which side will win most of the time, we should be smart.

Why is it bad to complain about fixed games when fixed games should not exist in the first place?

In gambling, we risk many things. Despite knowing that you should only risk what you can afford to lose, it's still unfair for the majority who are betting fair and square if the game they are betting on is already fixed. Because fixed games means that even before the game starts, there's already a winner. Making fixed games is lying to the audience and to the supporters which these teams and organizers get profit from. If it weren't for them, they wouldn't be where they are. No supporters of a game or betting means no source of income for them. So, why would you go that far knowing that you are betraying those who only want a clean game and betting?

In addition, these people who do betting are allocating their time and effort to watch and analyze the situation. They are using their minds in thinking which is the right bet for them to win. And those efforts would all be put to waste if the game is already decided in the very beginning. If I am a gambler and I knew that the game is fixed, provided that I am fighting fairly, it would really anger me. Smart bettors that you are pertaining to aren't really smart. They are just greedy and they don't have the capability to distinguish which is the perfect pick, hence resorting to fixed games.

[KTChampions]

Well, it turns out that basically fixed games are the lot of those who are very far from the top level and those who are no longer a promising player. But the bookmakers have a limited bet limit on the games of such athletes (well, or in any case, they see a suspicious amount of bets on someone and can cancel these bets) and it’s hard to earn a lot here.

It is hard to fix a popular match because of cameras at every angle and lots of spectators around.  One wrong call from any referee or umpire will create a controversy so high-level league is always careful in their action unless of course it was discussed and planned right before the match happens and involves players who will act accordingly to the plan without any mistakes making spectator to doubt the result

But if we are talking about individual sports, then everything is possible - for example, tennis. If a player is in excellent shape and his advantage over his opponent is large, then he can deliberately lose the first set (or two) in order to win the game later (I'm not talking about Djokovic now  ). What could prevent such a scenario?

[virasog]

Well, it turns out that basically fixed games are the lot of those who are very far from the top level and those who are no longer a promising player. But the bookmakers have a limited bet limit on the games of such athletes (well, or in any case, they see a suspicious amount of bets on someone and can cancel these bets) and it’s hard to earn a lot here.

It is hard to fix a popular match because of cameras at every angle and lots of spectators around.  One wrong call from any referee or umpire will create a controversy so high-level league is always careful in their action unless of course it was discussed and planned right before the match happens and involves players who will act accordingly to the plan without any mistakes making spectator to doubt the result

But if we are talking about individual sports, then everything is possible - for example, tennis. If a player is in excellent shape and his advantage over his opponent is large, then he can deliberately lose the first set (or two) in order to win the game later (I'm not talking about Djokovic now  ). What could prevent such a scenario?

A player of the caliber of Djokovic can do this in the first or second round where he may lose deliberately the first two sets because he knows that he can always win the remaining three because the opponents are not so strong. But such tactics should not be done in the finals or against strong opponents as they are chances that if he or anyone loses the first set deliberately, the opponent may never let him come back in the game.

[Distinctin]

It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

From my experience, in most cases, gamblers think that event is fixed, while it's actually not. All the signs point to the conclusion that it was fixed when you lost your bet. That's how our brain works.

But, of course, there are fixed events still. I say "still' because there were much more of them in the past, and, surely, there will be much less of them in the future.

Unless you know from some inside info that event was fixed, you can't tell, imo.

Indeed! Most of the time gambler will have some doubt and jump into conclusions when they are on the side that was lost but if it turns out that they're on the opposite side, I doubt that they will still have some speculation about these things because that won't matter to them at all as they have won the bet.

In the past, we used to know that there was some games that are rigged because the technology wasn't that evolving unlike, as said, we don't need to have some evidence to point it out. So in the future, rigging some games are still possible but that will become more challenging.

[JoyMarsha]

Is wrestling part of the sport? Cos what I see in wrestling matches is a pure fixed and scripted match to entertain viewers(Not International wrestling between countries cos that one is not fixed). I remember when I was a bit young and naive, I do believe that wrestling is pure real but as time goes on, I came to realize is pure acting and fixed matches.

The way I do find out that matches are fixed is when I see a big team using their second-best team to play in a crucial match

[mm2543363580]

Is wrestling part of the sport? Cos what I see in wrestling matches is a pure fixed and scripted match to entertain viewers(Not International wrestling between countries cos that one is not fixed). I remember when I was a bit young and naive, I do believe that wrestling is pure real but as time goes on, I came to realize is pure acting and fixed matches.

The way I do find out that matches are fixed is when I see a big team using their second-best team to play in a crucial match

Many gamblers gamble behind the scene - Maybe players don't know and they do a fair game.
But everything happens behind the scene.

[Smartvirus]

Is wrestling part of the sport? Cos what I see in wrestling matches is a pure fixed and scripted match to entertain viewers(Not International wrestling between countries cos that one is not fixed). I remember when I was a bit young and naive, I do believe that wrestling is pure real but as time goes on, I came to realize is pure acting and fixed matches.

The way I do find out that matches are fixed is when I see a big team using their second-best team to play in a crucial match

When it comes to wrestling, this is arguably true and to be frank with you, I sometimes wonder how the audience gets so obsessed and consumed with this sport. You could see the players sluggishly reacting to some crucial moments where the mat h of to have have ended, the reactions to the hits and often, the wrestlers makes little attempts to dodge an impending hit. Its always funny to watch.

On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.

[Theones]

On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.

People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.

[KTChampions]

But if we are talking about individual sports, then everything is possible - for example, tennis. If a player is in excellent shape and his advantage over his opponent is large, then he can deliberately lose the first set (or two) in order to win the game later (I'm not talking about Djokovic now  ). What could prevent such a scenario?

A player of the caliber of Djokovic can do this in the first or second round where he may lose deliberately the first two sets because he knows that he can always win the remaining three because the opponents are not so strong. But such tactics should not be done in the finals or against strong opponents as they are chances that if he or anyone loses the first set deliberately, the opponent may never let him come back in the game.

It makes no sense to do it against a strong opponent. What are the bookmaker quotes for a strong opponent to win against Djokovic in a single set? Let's say 2.2. If you specifically give the victory in 2 sets, then the winnings will be 2.2x2.2=4.84. This is a good win, but if you pull off such a trick against an outsider, then the quotes will be much higher - let's say 3.5. Then the winnings will be 3.5x3.5=12.25 This is a significant difference, plus in the second case you are guaranteed to return to the game.

[TopTort777]

Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league. While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators

[jossiel]

People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.

It's typical to see people tell that they know something and stuff from here and there. And that happens when they're an avid fan of that sport and thinks that they've got the utmost knowledge amongst them all.

But to say a criticism, it's an okay thing to say. Although, if those things you're saying about stuff in those sports are mere opinion and no facts to support it, better remain it as an opinion and avoid argument to people that has facts.

[wiss19]

Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league. While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators

That fake league you share there is crazy and how come they have reached 9 games? Maybe people already know that it was a fake game? But still insist to continue. Maybe they enjoyed watching how the players act because I think it's like a comedy when someone tries hard only to not shoot the ball on the goal

I think that some fixed games works like that. The winner is not determined at the start but they will only decide it once all of the bets (money) are collected and are remitted to the ones that manages it. Overall, it's still hard to tell if there will be a fixing that will take place so all we need sometimes is a luck and decide to pick on the teams that looks weak.

[TopTort777]

Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league. While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators

That fake league you share there is crazy and how come they have reached 9 games? Maybe people already know that it was a fake game? But still insist to continue. Maybe they enjoyed watching how the players act because I think it's like a comedy when someone tries hard only to not shoot the ball on the goal

I think that some fixed games works like that. The winner is not determined at the start but they will only decide it once all of the bets (money) are collected and are remitted to the ones that manages it. Overall, it's still hard to tell if there will be a fixing that will take place so all we need sometimes is a luck and decide to pick on the teams that looks weak.

I think people just love cricket so much so they did not bother much what they were watching. For example I am a fan of martial arts and often turn on some fighting on TV as a background. From time to time I can start to cheer for one fighter. And if I were really addicted to gambling, I would have placed a bet, especially if I see that one is obviously winning and it could be an easy money.

I find it difficult to tell if a fight or game is fixed. We will never know real reason for sports result was what it was. For example, I remember watching boxing match. One fighter was a really huge underdog, he was beaten hard in early round and then he won, because his opponent refused to continue. The reason - several hours before the fight other fighter was told that his mother has passed away and was emotionally not ready to continue to fight. TV and venue spectators called this fight to be fixed, but later the truth came out.

[KTChampions]

Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league. While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators

That fake league you share there is crazy and how come they have reached 9 games? Maybe people already know that it was a fake game? But still insist to continue. Maybe they enjoyed watching how the players act because I think it's like a comedy when someone tries hard only to not shoot the ball on the goal

I think that some fixed games works like that. The winner is not determined at the start but they will only decide it once all of the bets (money) are collected and are remitted to the ones that manages it. Overall, it's still hard to tell if there will be a fixing that will take place so all we need sometimes is a luck and decide to pick on the teams that looks weak.

I also saw this news (since it concerns my country), but it seemed doubtful to me. Bookmakers, when working properly, receive money regardless of how the game ended. In my opinion, it is much more difficult for a bookmaker to earn money if he tries to play against the total position of the players (who knows where it will swing in the next minute). In this case, everything was allegedly built precisely on this. I think either we do not see the whole picture, or the news itself is fake/prank/something combined.

[nullama]

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I also saw this news (since it concerns my country), but it seemed doubtful to me. Bookmakers, when working properly, receive money regardless of how the game ended. In my opinion, it is much more difficult for a bookmaker to earn money if he tries to play against the total position of the players (who knows where it will swing in the next minute). In this case, everything was allegedly built precisely on this. I think either we do not see the whole picture, or the news itself is fake/prank/something combined.

Yeah, I don't know too much about that league news in particular, but I agree with you. It just sounds like an April's fool's Day kind of news to me.

You would have to have a lot of people interested in doing this, and it would just turn into a comedy or something like that. And I don't think there's too many people interested in that for it to become real.

[Betwrong]

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The problem is that there is always very little evidence in this area (if we compare the number of suspicious games with the number of athletes who were actually caught on this) and this almost always remains in the realm of speculation (therefore, as you showed, everyone draws conclusions on the basis of subjective impressions). If I remember correctly, even big and massive cases like that Serie A scandal were more based on suspicion and circumstantial evidence than direct evidence.

Right, and that's why I think it's not worth it for us, regular gamblers, to waste our energy on worrying whether a match was fixed. It happens very rarely in the events we are betting on, anyway.

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~ In the past, we used to know that there was some games that are rigged because the technology wasn't that evolving unlike, as said, we don't need to have some evidence to point it out. So in the future, rigging some games are still possible but that will become more challenging.

Not only that. Even if you are technically capable of rigging a game, the info about it can leak, and if proved, it's the end of your career.

[ethereumhunter]

On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.

People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.

We all can only guess about what we've seen from the video and if that's the reality on the pitch it's not good for the competition and it would be better if that kind of thing was reported to the sports association.

But regarding fixed matches, maybe we will find other interesting things related to fixed matches but I don't think it will be easy to prove it. But hopefully, some people who watch the matches can search for the proof.

[Distinctin]

On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.

People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.

We all can only guess about what we've seen from the video and if that's the reality on the pitch it's not good for the competition and it would be better if that kind of thing was reported to the sports association.

But regarding fixed matches, maybe we will find other interesting things related to fixed matches but I don't think it will be easy to prove it. But hopefully, some people who watch the matches can search for the proof.

That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.

[ethereumhunter]

That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.

However, it will not be easy for them to report it to the authorities because there is a possibility that the authorities are also involved in the fraud. We as spectators will not be able or even have difficulty gathering the evidence and even the person making the speculation may also have difficulty because there is a possibility that he will be made to keep his mouth shut and pretend he doesn't know anything.