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February 22, 2023, 01:09:03 PM
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When Russia opened a "special military operation" in Ukraine, the global economy was still recovering after the Covid-19 pandemic caused + more war caused a serious economic crisis.The cost of living skyrocketed, inflation escalated, energy was one of the industries hardest hit after the Russo-Ukrainian war, followed by economic sanctions that the West levied on this country. This, inadvertently became a trigger for the world economy.

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All this is very similar to the return of the Cold War rhetoric between the USSR and the USA. 
However, this does not mean that they are planning to turn the cold war into a hot nuclear war.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that cold war didn't contain any armed conflict between two sides. It was all "chest pounding" so to speak and flexing muscles. This time it is an armed conflict between Russia and NATO inside a third country as the proxy.
Although I agree that suspending START isn't an indication of a nuclear war but there are many other reasons why the risk of one is high.

There were a lot of wars in which the USSR and the USA supported two opposite sides.  The most famous of these wars is the Vietnam War. 

Usually the USSR and the USA acted as follows - they supplied weapons to the parties to the conflict and sent military instructors.  Including it could be pilots of military aircraft. 

Of course, a large-scale war in the middle of Europe is a very big risk of further escalation of the conflict. 

In particular, in my opinion, Poland is psychologically ready to take the side of Ukraine.  In certain situations, it is probably ready to send its soldiers to participate in hostilities against Russia.

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February 22, 2023, 03:40:41 PM
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All this is very similar to the return of the Cold War rhetoric between the USSR and the USA. 
However, this does not mean that they are planning to turn the cold war into a hot nuclear war.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that cold war didn't contain any armed conflict between two sides. It was all "chest pounding" so to speak and flexing muscles. This time it is an armed conflict between Russia and NATO inside a third country as the proxy.
Although I agree that suspending START isn't an indication of a nuclear war but there are many other reasons why the risk of one is high.

There were a lot of wars in which the USSR and the USA supported two opposite sides.  The most famous of these wars is the Vietnam War. 

Usually the USSR and the USA acted as follows - they supplied weapons to the parties to the conflict and sent military instructors.  Including it could be pilots of military aircraft. 

Of course, a large-scale war in the middle of Europe is a very big risk of further escalation of the conflict. 

In particular, in my opinion, Poland is psychologically ready to take the side of Ukraine.  In certain situations, it is probably ready to send its soldiers to participate in hostilities against Russia.
the competition between the two superpowers seems like it will never end, even though this time it is not a cold war, but it raises tensions which in fact the two superpowers have the most vital role. here we can see like showing off strength from all fields, ranging from military weapons to the economy. moreover, gas and oil reserves seem to show that many countries are dependent on Russia, hopefully it will end soon so that people don't become victims

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February 22, 2023, 04:32:52 PM
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All this is very similar to the return of the Cold War rhetoric between the USSR and the USA.  
However, this does not mean that they are planning to turn the cold war into a hot nuclear war.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that cold war didn't contain any armed conflict between two sides. It was all "chest pounding" so to speak and flexing muscles. This time it is an armed conflict between Russia and NATO inside a third country as the proxy.
Although I agree that suspending START isn't an indication of a nuclear war but there are many other reasons why the risk of one is high.

There were a lot of wars in which the USSR and the USA supported two opposite sides.  The most famous of these wars is the Vietnam War.  

Usually the USSR and the USA acted as follows - they supplied weapons to the parties to the conflict and sent military instructors.  Including it could be pilots of military aircraft.  

Of course, a large-scale war in the middle of Europe is a very big risk of further escalation of the conflict.  

In particular, in my opinion, Poland is psychologically ready to take the side of Ukraine.  In certain situations, it is probably ready to send its soldiers to participate in hostilities against Russia.
the competition between the two superpowers seems like it will never end, even though this time it is not a cold war, but it raises tensions which in fact the two superpowers have the most vital role. here we can see like showing off strength from all fields, ranging from military weapons to the economy. moreover, gas and oil reserves seem to show that many countries are dependent on Russia, hopefully it will end soon so that people don't become victims

In my opinion, the Russian Federation is not a superpower.

I also doubt the thesis that Russia is the direct successor of the USSR and the Russian Empire.  In my opinion, the Russian Federation is an independent country, formed in 1991, one of the fifteen fragments of the USSR.  

Since this is a relatively new and young country, it needs its own successes and achievements that are not associated with countries such as the USSR and the Russian Empire.  In fact, you just need to create a Roadmap for the development of the country, having studied the experience of other countries.  

To achieve success, you need to clearly define your own competitive advantages and concentrate all resources for the development of the country's economy.  

At the forefront it is necessary to put such goals as adequacy and pragmatism in relations with other countries and improving the well-being of citizens.

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February 23, 2023, 10:32:18 AM
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In my opinion, the Russian Federation is not a superpower.

I also doubt the thesis that Russia is the direct successor of the USSR and the Russian Empire.  In my opinion, the Russian Federation is an independent country, formed in 1991, one of the fifteen fragments of the USSR.  

Since this is a relatively new and young country, it needs its own successes and achievements that are not associated with countries such as the USSR and the Russian Empire.  In fact, you just need to create a Roadmap for the development of the country, having studied the experience of other countries.  

To achieve success, you need to clearly define your own competitive advantages and concentrate all resources for the development of the country's economy.  

At the forefront it is necessary to put such goals as adequacy and pragmatism in relations with other countries and improving the well-being of citizens.

There is no doubt that USSR and RF are not equal. Russia has less than half of the population of the USSR and a large part of the manufacturing units and agricultural enterprises of the former USSR lies outside the Russian federation. And to make things worse, the population is declining at a rate of almost 1 million per year, due to excess deaths (birth rate is not that low, when compared to the other countries). And even after 3 decades after the collapse of the USSR, Russia has failed to transform itself from an exporter of raw natural products, to an exporter of finished products.

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February 23, 2023, 11:15:57 AM
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In my opinion, the Russian Federation is not a superpower.

I also doubt the thesis that Russia is the direct successor of the USSR and the Russian Empire.  In my opinion, the Russian Federation is an independent country, formed in 1991, one of the fifteen fragments of the USSR.  

Since this is a relatively new and young country, it needs its own successes and achievements that are not associated with countries such as the USSR and the Russian Empire.  In fact, you just need to create a Roadmap for the development of the country, having studied the experience of other countries.  

To achieve success, you need to clearly define your own competitive advantages and concentrate all resources for the development of the country's economy.  

At the forefront it is necessary to put such goals as adequacy and pragmatism in relations with other countries and improving the well-being of citizens.

There is no doubt that USSR and RF are not equal. Russia has less than half of the population of the USSR and a large part of the manufacturing units and agricultural enterprises of the former USSR lies outside the Russian federation. And to make things worse, the population is declining at a rate of almost 1 million per year, due to excess deaths (birth rate is not that low, when compared to the other countries). And even after 3 decades after the collapse of the USSR, Russia has failed to transform itself from an exporter of raw natural products, to an exporter of finished products.

Russia had very good starting positions in order to evolve into a developed and prosperous country. 

In Russia (as well as in India), higher education institutions trained very qualified programmers.  Russia also possessed (and still possesses) such serious technical competencies as the construction and maintenance of nuclear and hydroelectric power plants, the construction of nuclear icebreakers, the enrichment of uranium, the production and transmission of hydrocarbons (oil and natural gas) over a distance. 

Also, Russia did not have serious historical conflicts with neighboring states (unlike, for example, Israel). 

All this is an excellent basis for building a prosperous state.

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February 23, 2023, 12:04:26 PM
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There were a lot of wars in which the USSR and the USA supported two opposite sides.  The most famous of these wars is the Vietnam War. 

Usually the USSR and the USA acted as follows - they supplied weapons to the parties to the conflict and sent military instructors.  Including it could be pilots of military aircraft. 

Of course, a large-scale war in the middle of Europe is a very big risk of further escalation of the conflict. 

In particular, in my opinion, Poland is psychologically ready to take the side of Ukraine.  In certain situations, it is probably ready to send its soldiers to participate in hostilities against Russia.
Since the time of Peter the Great (this is the end of the 17th, the beginning of the 18th centuries), in all the wars waged by the Russian Empire, and then the USSR, Ukrainians participated on their side, and this gave them additional power, since Ukrainians have always been distinguished by resourcefulness and the conduct of non-standard military actions and free spirit of Zaporizhsky Cossacks. Now, for the first time, Russia has launched a large-scale war against Ukraine at the state level, and it cannot and is not able to win this war, despite more than a tenfold superiority in manpower and equipment.
Some countries, such as Poland, may be ready to support Ukraine with their regular troops, but Ukraine has not yet asked for such help and, most likely, will manage on its own. True, in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are volunteers from various countries, mainly from the CIS countries, who, with the help of Ukraine's victory, want to overthrow their anti-people regimes.

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There were a lot of wars in which the USSR and the USA supported two opposite sides.  The most famous of these wars is the Vietnam War. 

Usually the USSR and the USA acted as follows - they supplied weapons to the parties to the conflict and sent military instructors.  Including it could be pilots of military aircraft. 

Of course, a large-scale war in the middle of Europe is a very big risk of further escalation of the conflict. 

In particular, in my opinion, Poland is psychologically ready to take the side of Ukraine.  In certain situations, it is probably ready to send its soldiers to participate in hostilities against Russia.
Since the time of Peter the Great (this is the end of the 17th, the beginning of the 18th centuries), in all the wars waged by the Russian Empire, and then the USSR, Ukrainians participated on their side, and this gave them additional power, since Ukrainians have always been distinguished by resourcefulness and the conduct of non-standard military actions and free spirit of Zaporizhsky Cossacks. Now, for the first time, Russia has launched a large-scale war against Ukraine at the state level, and it cannot and is not able to win this war, despite more than a tenfold superiority in manpower and equipment.
Some countries, such as Poland, may be ready to support Ukraine with their regular troops, but Ukraine has not yet asked for such help and, most likely, will manage on its own. True, in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are volunteers from various countries, mainly from the CIS countries, who, with the help of Ukraine's victory, want to overthrow their anti-people regimes.

The war between Russia and Ukraine is a disaster. Now, unfortunately, the closeness of these two peoples is denied, but for centuries they interacted well with each other.

There were a lot of mixed families in the country, where one spouse was Russian by nationality, and the other was Ukrainian. There are many citizens in Russia with Ukrainian surnames, and in Ukraine there are many citizens with Russian surnames.

In the USSR after Stalin, all the General Secretaries of the USSR came from the territory of Ukraine (Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev).

This is not surprising. The largest regional communist party in the USSR was the Ukrainian Communist Party. In fact, the Ukrainians were the political elite of the USSR.

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February 23, 2023, 05:36:30 PM
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There were a lot of wars in which the USSR and the USA supported two opposite sides.  The most famous of these wars is the Vietnam War. 

Usually the USSR and the USA acted as follows - they supplied weapons to the parties to the conflict and sent military instructors.  Including it could be pilots of military aircraft. 

Of course, a large-scale war in the middle of Europe is a very big risk of further escalation of the conflict. 

In particular, in my opinion, Poland is psychologically ready to take the side of Ukraine.  In certain situations, it is probably ready to send its soldiers to participate in hostilities against Russia.
Since the time of Peter the Great (this is the end of the 17th, the beginning of the 18th centuries), in all the wars waged by the Russian Empire, and then the USSR, Ukrainians participated on their side, and this gave them additional power, since Ukrainians have always been distinguished by resourcefulness and the conduct of non-standard military actions and free spirit of Zaporizhsky Cossacks. Now, for the first time, Russia has launched a large-scale war against Ukraine at the state level, and it cannot and is not able to win this war, despite more than a tenfold superiority in manpower and equipment.
Some countries, such as Poland, may be ready to support Ukraine with their regular troops, but Ukraine has not yet asked for such help and, most likely, will manage on its own. True, in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are volunteers from various countries, mainly from the CIS countries, who, with the help of Ukraine's victory, want to overthrow their anti-people regimes.

The war between Russia and Ukraine is a disaster. Now, unfortunately, the closeness of these two peoples is denied, but for centuries they interacted well with each other.

There were a lot of mixed families in the country, where one spouse was Russian by nationality, and the other was Ukrainian. There are many citizens in Russia with Ukrainian surnames, and in Ukraine there are many citizens with Russian surnames.

In the USSR after Stalin, all the General Secretaries of the USSR came from the territory of Ukraine (Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev).

This is not surprising. The largest regional communist party in the USSR was the Ukrainian Communist Party. In fact, the Ukrainians were the political elite of the USSR.

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There were a lot of wars in which the USSR and the USA supported two opposite sides.  The most famous of these wars is the Vietnam War. 

Usually the USSR and the USA acted as follows - they supplied weapons to the parties to the conflict and sent military instructors.  Including it could be pilots of military aircraft. 

Of course, a large-scale war in the middle of Europe is a very big risk of further escalation of the conflict. 

In particular, in my opinion, Poland is psychologically ready to take the side of Ukraine.  In certain situations, it is probably ready to send its soldiers to participate in hostilities against Russia.
Since the time of Peter the Great (this is the end of the 17th, the beginning of the 18th centuries), in all the wars waged by the Russian Empire, and then the USSR, Ukrainians participated on their side, and this gave them additional power, since Ukrainians have always been distinguished by resourcefulness and the conduct of non-standard military actions and free spirit of Zaporizhsky Cossacks. Now, for the first time, Russia has launched a large-scale war against Ukraine at the state level, and it cannot and is not able to win this war, despite more than a tenfold superiority in manpower and equipment.
Some countries, such as Poland, may be ready to support Ukraine with their regular troops, but Ukraine has not yet asked for such help and, most likely, will manage on its own. True, in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are volunteers from various countries, mainly from the CIS countries, who, with the help of Ukraine's victory, want to overthrow their anti-people regimes.
Poland's current situation cannot be compared to any of its previous wars in which neighboring countries fought in the past.
Poland has been witnessing an economic boom for years, which is what supported it in the Russia-Ukraine war to receive the largest proportion of the displaced Ukrainians (3 million). This put it in direct confrontation with Russia, which placed it on the list of the next countries in which it will carry out military missions after completing the mission in Ukraine. At the same time, the countries of the European axis and America are satisfied with incitement and do not provide them with any economic or logistical support to confront the potential threat of Russia.
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February 24, 2023, 05:07:58 PM
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That is so true - the life has been in mess altogether. The after Covid affect and then this war has made the life miserable.
People are dying due to natural disaster but the war lord want to kill as many people as they could.
May God have mercy on us.
I don't think about the rulers of war who will kill as many people as possible at this time, because the warring parties will only kill their opponents even though the effect can affect many people and can affect important sectors such as the economy. Actually the three things you mentioned were caused by human activities on this earth, although not all humans are to be considered guilty.

But the effects of those who don't take care of their health during Covid will also have a huge impact on other people, as well as the effects of natural disasters caused by human activities that don't protect the natural environment around them. And for war I think it's not much different because it also arises from the will of the country that has more power on this earth.
Its been a year now. Many super power are showing support to Ukraine - but in reality they are just trying to weaken Russia
Russia will not let any super power attack them or weaken them

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February 24, 2023, 07:40:27 PM
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That is so true - the life has been in mess altogether. The after Covid affect and then this war has made the life miserable.
People are dying due to natural disaster but the war lord want to kill as many people as they could.
May God have mercy on us.
I don't think about the rulers of war who will kill as many people as possible at this time, because the warring parties will only kill their opponents even though the effect can affect many people and can affect important sectors such as the economy. Actually the three things you mentioned were caused by human activities on this earth, although not all humans are to be considered guilty.

But the effects of those who don't take care of their health during Covid will also have a huge impact on other people, as well as the effects of natural disasters caused by human activities that don't protect the natural environment around them. And for war I think it's not much different because it also arises from the will of the country that has more power on this earth.
Its been a year now. Many super power are showing support to Ukraine - but in reality they are just trying to weaken Russia
Russia will not let any super power attack them or weaken them

The support for Ukraine will keep growing because of the support from NATO countries. Ukraine isnpart of the NATO and they had been the one that had been sending weapons to Ukraine to fight Russiam soldiers. Putin is aware of this and this had been the reasons why Russian soldiers are finding it very difficult to win the war to silent Ukraine.
 This war may not end now because this is an avenue for the U.S to fight against Russia indirectly. US had been the one that had been donating the largest weapons and equipments for Ukraine to fight Russia.









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February 25, 2023, 02:36:57 PM
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That is so true - the life has been in mess altogether. The after Covid affect and then this war has made the life miserable.
People are dying due to natural disaster but the war lord want to kill as many people as they could.
May God have mercy on us.
I don't think about the rulers of war who will kill as many people as possible at this time, because the warring parties will only kill their opponents even though the effect can affect many people and can affect important sectors such as the economy. Actually the three things you mentioned were caused by human activities on this earth, although not all humans are to be considered guilty.

But the effects of those who don't take care of their health during Covid will also have a huge impact on other people, as well as the effects of natural disasters caused by human activities that don't protect the natural environment around them. And for war I think it's not much different because it also arises from the will of the country that has more power on this earth.
Its been a year now. Many super power are showing support to Ukraine - but in reality they are just trying to weaken Russia
Russia will not let any super power attack them or weaken them

The support for Ukraine will keep growing because of the support from NATO countries. Ukraine isnpart of the NATO and they had been the one that had been sending weapons to Ukraine to fight Russiam soldiers. Putin is aware of this and this had been the reasons why Russian soldiers are finding it very difficult to win the war to silent Ukraine.
 This war may not end now because this is an avenue for the U.S to fight against Russia indirectly. US had been the one that had been donating the largest weapons and equipments for Ukraine to fight Russia.
USA is accelerating the war. While Russian parliament is suspending the Start War Treaty - Beijing meeting Moscow.
Ukraine meeting USA and top 9 leaders. There is a warning that the WW3 might begin.

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February 27, 2023, 01:09:26 PM
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I've got a feeling that this war is going to change dramatically and possibly even conclude soon. Specially since the West basically humiliated China and the Chinese peaceful proposal to end the conflict by kicking both Russia and NATO out of Ukraine. This possibly forced Chinese to finally pick a side which we could see for sure in the near future. But also:

- On one side we have Ukraine that is planning on invading Moldova and basically wipe out everyone in Eastern region known as Transnistria just because they may be pro-Russia!
- On the other side we have Russia that is eyeing Odessa and want to occupy the last remaining connection Ukraine has to the sea.

If these two things happen, Ukraine will lose a large portion of its usefulness for NATO. This can significantly change NATO's participation in this proxy war. Or at the very least change the face of this war.

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February 27, 2023, 02:41:52 PM
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Russia is a major supplier of world energy resources and the Ukraine-Russia war has had a significant impact on energy prices. Since the start of the war, international markets have seen fluctuations in oil and gas prices. Russia is a major exporter to the world economy and since the start of the war many countries have reduced or stopped trade with Russia. This has had a particularly severe impact on countries close to Russia, such as European countries.

The war has created volatility in financial markets. The fact that Russia faced international sanctions and the country's trade declined had a significant impact on Russian markets and thus on global markets. In addition, the tourism industry in Ukraine and Russia has declined drastically since the start of the war.
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February 27, 2023, 07:08:20 PM
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The support for Ukraine will keep growing because of the support from NATO countries. Ukraine isnpart of the NATO and they had been the one that had been sending weapons to Ukraine to fight Russiam soldiers. Putin is aware of this and this had been the reasons why Russian soldiers are finding it very difficult to win the war to silent Ukraine.
 This war may not end now because this is an avenue for the U.S to fight against Russia indirectly. US had been the one that had been donating the largest weapons and equipments for Ukraine to fight Russia.
I think the more weapons support Ukraine gets from NATO supported countries, the situation of Ukraine will be more  worse .
Moreover, the German people in Germany protested about the announcement of the tanks provided by Germany because they realize that the longer the war was prolonged,  the economic condition of the whole world would be more worse 
Moreover, it is impossible for Ukraine to defeat Russia in terms of geographical location and military power, and the other countries that are supporting them are actually showmen. I think that to keep the economic situation of the world right, their two countries should come to an agreement and suspend the war.  And stop the activities of countries that are inciting Ukraine to war.

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February 27, 2023, 07:47:29 PM
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I've got a feeling that this war is going to change dramatically and possibly even conclude soon. Specially since the West basically humiliated China and the Chinese peaceful proposal to end the conflict by kicking both Russia and NATO out of Ukraine. This possibly forced Chinese to finally pick a side which we could see for sure in the near future. But also:

- On one side we have Ukraine that is planning on invading Moldova and basically wipe out everyone in Eastern region known as Transnistria just because they may be pro-Russia!
- On the other side we have Russia that is eyeing Odessa and want to occupy the last remaining connection Ukraine has to the sea.

If these two things happen, Ukraine will lose a large portion of its usefulness for NATO. This can significantly change NATO's participation in this proxy war. Or at the very least change the face of this war.

Transnistria is a very small part of Moldova.  

This territory has no strategic value.  

At one time, a significant part of the industrial enterprises of Moldova (the former Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic) was located on the territory of Transnistria.  These were light industry enterprises, dairies, and meat processing enterprises.  

Perhaps they are still in operation.  But the possible capture of Transnistria by Ukrainian troops will not change anything in the course of hostilities.

The capture of Odessa, in my opinion, is a very unlikely event.  Especially given the impossibility of landing an amphibious assault.  So far, we are seeing a classic trench warfare model of the First World War of 2014-2018 or the Iran-Iraq military conflict.

This is all very bad...

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There are serious implications on the global economy everytime international conflicts like this are stirred. Influences and favors are lifted or placed from one end to another, strengthening one's economy while weakening the other, if for example it is a country that exports valuable commodity, which in this case is oil, they can also cut the whole world off of their supply seriously damaging the economy and causing problems in the prices of stuff, which is primarily the reason of today's inflation rate soaring high globally.

There are effects on the economy everytime something like this happens, but what most people dismiss and what is the biggest threat is the fact that this could escalate to something worse, as it stands today, Russia is eager to show the world that they should be feared, this is going to have ramifications in the future which will not be pretty.
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February 27, 2023, 10:25:45 PM
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This conflict has already led to a lot of humanitarian crisis, with millions of people affected by the fighting and displacement. The cost of providing aid and rebuilding affected areas has an impact on the global economy already! How long will all these loss of lives and properties prevail? Some countries are finding it hard to carter for displaced persons especially Ukrainians.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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February 27, 2023, 10:40:51 PM
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This conflict has already led to a lot of humanitarian crisis, with millions of people affected by the fighting and displacement. The cost of providing aid and rebuilding affected areas has an impact on the global economy already! How long will all these loss of lives and properties prevail? Some countries are finding it hard to carter for displaced persons especially Ukrainians.

Now China presented its "plan" to support negotiations, their peace plan. But those twelve points are full of ambiguity especially when China says the sovereignty of all countries is to be respected. Well, but they argue that Taiwan is actually Chinese territory, then they also leave a door open for themselves.

China could do so much more, but they don't as they like to see how the rest of the world might get split and Putin is betting on time running by now. The support for Ukraine is on a pretty high level and the US hard right wing already said that they would immediately stop financial support.

China's role is weird, but perhaps Putin wouldn't even listen to Xi Jinping, but China is well positioned now to get fossil fuels at extremely cheap prices.
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