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[Rruchi man]

Vinicius, as much as I'm a Barca fan, deserves this. Bellingham will probably be more 'popular' choice though.

It has to be Vini, he has bigger influence in very important games and has done it more consistently for Real Madrid than Bellingham who just joined them. If it is given to Bellingham, It is a robbery.

What does everybody think of BVB's chances vs Real Madrid?  Could they pull of an upset?

It is not impossible, Real Madrid can concede goals, and Dortmund can score. Dortmund also defend really well and if they score they lead, they will ensure to make Real Madrid suffer to get the goal back.

Real Madrid are marked as favorites to win the finals as everyone sees Dortmund as the underdog in the game. If the mentality of the Dortmund players is not defeated before the game starts, the final will not be as easy for Real Madrid as some people predict it to be.

[KTChampions]

It’s sad that many Bayern fans are caught up in that episode with the premature whistle (by the way, wasn’t there an offside? Even though the linesman raised the flag too early, he did everything right) and even Tuchel and some of the Bayern management blame the referees. I think they should save face and not be embarrassed by such things. In terms of expected goals, the game result is 3.29 versus 0.41 in favor of Real. Do Bayern really believe they deserve to reach the final or at least extra time? And yes, I know that in the PSG-Dortmund pair it was the other way around, but Dortmund went on, but I didn’t see PSG players disgracing themselves with any unfounded claims.

[swogerino]

It’s sad that many Bayern fans are caught up in that episode with the premature whistle (by the way, wasn’t there an offside? Even though the linesman raised the flag too early, he did everything right) and even Tuchel and some of the Bayern management blame the referees. I think they should save face and not be embarrassed by such things. In terms of expected goals, the game result is 3.29 versus 0.41 in favor of Real. Do Bayern really believe they deserve to reach the final or at least extra time? And yes, I know that in the PSG-Dortmund pair it was the other way around, but Dortmund went on, but I didn’t see PSG players disgracing themselves with any unfounded claims.

I agree with you.Psg knew they played really bad and never tried to blame the referee or anyone else,in the case of Bayern the real one to blame is only Neuer with that gag he made yet no one from Bayern says a thing.They would have qualified if Neuer would not have made such an error and I am sure Bayern management would be talking differently now yet the reality is another one and is that Real vs Dortmubd will be the final.

[KTChampions]

It’s sad that many Bayern fans are caught up in that episode with the premature whistle (by the way, wasn’t there an offside? Even though the linesman raised the flag too early, he did everything right) and even Tuchel and some of the Bayern management blame the referees. I think they should save face and not be embarrassed by such things. In terms of expected goals, the game result is 3.29 versus 0.41 in favor of Real. Do Bayern really believe they deserve to reach the final or at least extra time? And yes, I know that in the PSG-Dortmund pair it was the other way around, but Dortmund went on, but I didn’t see PSG players disgracing themselves with any unfounded claims.

I agree with you.Psg knew they played really bad and never tried to blame the referee or anyone else,in the case of Bayern the real one to blame is only Neuer with that gag he made yet no one from Bayern says a thing.They would have qualified if Neuer would not have made such an error and I am sure Bayern management would be talking differently now yet the reality is another one and is that Real vs Dortmubd will be the final.

Yes, besides Neuer (who, by the way, played perfectly before those mistakes and if not for him, the score would have been 2-0 or 3-1 in favor of Real Madrid) I wanted to blame Tuchel because of his cowardly substitutions, but Tuchel said that it was there were forced replacements. I don’t know whether to believe him or not, but the fact that Bayern tried to play for time (against Real Madrid lol! Isn’t it clear that this doesn’t work and this is seen every year) is obvious. Real is simply stronger, a simple fact. And it’s time for Neuer to prepare for retirement; he can no longer be 100% reliable as before.

[cryptofrka]

I give Dortmund ~20% chance of winning. Madrid is so experienced at this level, and is overall a much better team as well.

I'd really love Reus to win it, he's one of my favorite players and would be at KDB's level if he didn't have so many injuries.
As a LFC fan, BVB is a club I admire so I really hope they prove me wrong.

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I checked the pools, no way to lose 2nd place in any of them. A really nice haul overall

buwaytress - I hope you keep working on the format. Was fresh and fun.

[LTU_btc]

It’s sad that many Bayern fans are caught up in that episode with the premature whistle (by the way, wasn’t there an offside? Even though the linesman raised the flag too early, he did everything right) and even Tuchel and some of the Bayern management blame the referees. I think they should save face and not be embarrassed by such things. In terms of expected goals, the game result is 3.29 versus 0.41 in favor of Real. Do Bayern really believe they deserve to reach the final or at least extra time? And yes, I know that in the PSG-Dortmund pair it was the other way around, but Dortmund went on, but I didn’t see PSG players disgracing themselves with any unfounded claims.

I don't agree with you. Yes, linesman did everything right by raising flag, but main referee didn't had to blow whistle and had to let play until end. We have VAR nd when we have such close moments, referees have to let play it until end and then check replay.
Not sure it was offside or no, it's 50/50 call and without lines from VAR replay you can't know. And it's not even about xG stats or deserving to reach final or extra time. It's only about being consistent with rules. Now another Real CL campaign is marked with contraversy.

[cryptofrka]

I don't agree with you. Yes, linesman did everything right by raising flag, but main referee didn't had to blow whistle and had to let play until end. We have VAR nd when we have such close moments, referees have to let play it until end and then check replay.
Not sure it was offside or no, it's 50/50 call and without lines from VAR replay you can't know. And it's not even about xG stats or deserving to reach final or extra time. It's only about being consistent with rules. Now another Real CL campaign is marked with contraversy.

Nope, incorrect. The referee has to trust the linesman - he's too far away to make that call and to let the play go on. What if it was 1m offside? He'd look like an idiot.
Linesman is the one that has to keep the flag down if he's not sure, and in 99th minute of the game he surely should not have been sure in a situation like this.

It's really 100% blame of the linesman - not the main referee.

[Trofo]

I don't agree with you. Yes, linesman did everything right by raising flag, but main referee didn't had to blow whistle and had to let play until end. We have VAR nd when we have such close moments, referees have to let play it until end and then check replay.
Not sure it was offside or no, it's 50/50 call and without lines from VAR replay you can't know. And it's not even about xG stats or deserving to reach final or extra time. It's only about being consistent with rules. Now another Real CL campaign is marked with contraversy.

Nope, incorrect. The referee has to trust the linesman - he's too far away to make that call and to let the play go on. What if it was 1m offside? He'd look like an idiot.
Linesman is the one that has to keep the flag down if he's not sure, and in 99th minute of the game he surely should not have been sure in a situation like this.

It's really 100% blame of the linesman - not the main referee.

This. The main ref has nothing to do with offsides. Linesman has to raise the flag after the action finishes if he is not 100% certain. And he couldn't have been certain in that case for sure. It is not up to interpretation that is one of the actual VAR rules they implemented.

[buwaytress]

No need to say more about the ref (again, I refer to linesman) but to echo the sentiment, Vinicius Jr over Bellingham any time.

Might be more of a shout in La Liga alone, all those points won purely thanks to Bellingham in the first half of the season, but over the stretch of the year, and in terms of pure influence, you cannot be watching Real on the big stage and choose Jude over Vini. Not this season, not yet.

Last night, that guy was just terrorising and toying with players on the German flank. The way a cat might lazily bat a mouse around. But there was one rare outing on the wing, Vinicius actually allowed Bellingham to take over as they were running the clock down. And the Englishman tried one fancy trick, failed on the first flick, got swarmed over. You could almost feel his own embarrassment at trying.

I'd really love Reus to win it, he's one of my favorite players and would be at KDB's level if he didn't have so many injuries.
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I checked the pools, no way to lose 2nd place in any of them. A really nice haul overall

buwaytress - I hope you keep working on the format. Was fresh and fun.

Always had a thing for Reus too, one of the ones who ultimately stayed, almost a forgotten relic of in terms of talked up talents from a decade ago, has been having a revival of sorts but he deserves something like this to get his swansong.

Nice haul indeed, I will end up with next to nothing from the pools, with an outside chance in Serie A maybe if I hold on there.

Glad you and others enjoyed it. Let's all keep pushing each other for new things on this forum. Already experimenting with a few things and I like what I see but am not certain am prepared to be taking care of things so might end up keeping it (as) simple (as can be).

[KTChampions]

It’s sad that many Bayern fans are caught up in that episode with the premature whistle (by the way, wasn’t there an offside? Even though the linesman raised the flag too early, he did everything right) and even Tuchel and some of the Bayern management blame the referees. I think they should save face and not be embarrassed by such things. In terms of expected goals, the game result is 3.29 versus 0.41 in favor of Real. Do Bayern really believe they deserve to reach the final or at least extra time? And yes, I know that in the PSG-Dortmund pair it was the other way around, but Dortmund went on, but I didn’t see PSG players disgracing themselves with any unfounded claims.

I don't agree with you. Yes, linesman did everything right by raising flag, but main referee didn't had to blow whistle and had to let play until end. We have VAR nd when we have such close moments, referees have to let play it until end and then check replay.
Not sure it was offside or no, it's 50/50 call and without lines from VAR replay you can't know. And it's not even about xG stats or deserving to reach final or extra time. It's only about being consistent with rules. Now another Real CL campaign is marked with contraversy.

You have already been answered about the whistle, there is nothing to add here. The linesman raised the flag too early (the only mistake in timing), but he did not make a mistake in calling offside. And now, based on this, Bayern makes so many claims as if the title was stolen from them.
In my opinion this is disgraceful behavior.

As for the fact that Real's campaign is supposedly marked by controversy, this is only a consequence of how successful Real is. For example, we have never heard about the referees helping Ludogorets win the Champions League for the obvious reason - Ludogorets is simply not in the playoffs.
And Real reached the semi-finals for the third year in a row and reached the final two times out of three. Naturally, from hundreds and thousands of decisions of the referee (who are sometimes wrong in all directions), it is much easier to choose a few decisions that supposedly indicate that the referees are helping Real Madrid or simply that “not everything is clean.”
Such theories help fans of loosers survive defeats (and the next triumphs of Real Madrid), there is nothing wrong with that. But when figures like Tuchel come up with such excuses, it looks pathetic.

P.S. By the way, about consistency: are you also outraged that the referee did not give a card to a Bayern player for scoring after the whistle? It turns out the referees are helping Bayern 

[darbitmobilerecovery]

Real Madrid always has a plus from referees you can check taht in the Nacho disallowed goal..... WHAT had to see the referee in the monitor? Why VAR doesnt disalowed the goal in automode because the fault was super clear, in fact Nacho never celebrate the goal knowing the fault.

Asides of that we have to be honest in all, and yes the Bayern play was super out of time, the game has to be ended way earlier. And i agree with KTC in parts of his claim, a lot of looser starts to build non sense about big teams.

[notblox1]

I give Dortmund ~20% chance of winning. Madrid is so experienced at this level, and is overall a much better team as well.

Real is huge favorite in final, but I have to give big credits to all German club this season.
Bayern almost made it in Champions league final against Dortmund, and Bayer Leverkusen is playing in Europa League final against Atalanta.
This will give big boost in points for European spots in next seasons.

No need to say more about the ref (again, I refer to linesman) but to echo the sentiment, Vinicius Jr over Bellingham any time.

And Joker Joselu over everyone else  
His market value going from €5 million to much higher after his last performance.

[cryptofrka]

And Joker Joselu over everyone else  
His market value going from €5 million to much higher after his last performance.

He's 34 years old, so not really
It is a great story, a fan of the club getting his chance at the end of his career and dragging them to a CL final.

He's on loan from Espanyol who's chasing promotion from La Segunda, he'll probably return there at the end of this season.

[tokeweed]

Should be a really good game tonight, the neutral would want Bayern to win to set up an all German final. In that scenario I’d definitely be cheering on Dortmund, I wonder if Klopp would be in with the Dortmund fans:D

I’m not sure if fairy tales exist in football though, Real will do what Real do in this competition which is find a way to win.

But they do exist...    Study CL 2012 Final with Bayern Munich under Jupp Heynckes vs Chelsea under Di Matteo.  And just imho, I think it would be more of a fairy tale if BVB wins vs Real Madrid in final.  Looking forward to it.

What does everybody think of BVB's chances vs Real Madrid?  Could they pull of an upset?  And what do you guys think of the prop bet 'BVB to win the UCL' at 3.30?  They could win one match out of three right?

I think chances are there for any team,let me remind you of last season final where Inter almost equalized a super performing Manchester City who had just thrashed 4-0 in the semi final exactly Real Madrid.Based on this I think that Dortmund will put much more heart into the game compared to what Real players will,I am pretty sure of this.For me this final is better than Bayern vs Dortmund and will be enjoyable to watch.

Yup...  And with just one match to play for all the marbles, it's 'gg no re'.  BVB def has a chance of winning it.  And the sharps know the books opened the line too wide.  The first time I checked the lines it was BVB to win the match at 7.20 and like a minute later it was 6.60 or something.  I just checked right now and it's at 5 and could go down more as the final comes closer.

As for the ideal match up, City vs PSG would've been sick.  And both managers ex Barca managers playing that style of play.  Beautiful football...

[arallmuus]

He's 34 years old, so not really
It is a great story, a fan of the club getting his chance at the end of his career and dragging them to a CL final.

He's on loan from Espanyol who's chasing promotion from La Segunda, he'll probably return there at the end of this season.

Yep totally cant picture him staying with Real Madrid next season. He is decent, definitely not on the top level as the other players but he really dragged Madrid out of the pit hole against Bayern Munich. Well atleast his story would be considered as one of the most successful loan story in history though, he has already won Super Cup and LaLiga with Real Madrid so it will be his 3rd trophy with Real madrid if they ended up winning UCL ( I honestly want Dortmund to win it this year, they kinda deserve it though  )

[KTChampions]

He's 34 years old, so not really
It is a great story, a fan of the club getting his chance at the end of his career and dragging them to a CL final.

He's on loan from Espanyol who's chasing promotion from La Segunda, he'll probably return there at the end of this season.

Yep totally cant picture him staying with Real Madrid next season. He is decent, definitely not on the top level as the other players but he really dragged Madrid out of the pit hole against Bayern Munich. Well atleast his story would be considered as one of the most successful loan story in history though, he has already won Super Cup and LaLiga with Real Madrid so it will be his 3rd trophy with Real madrid if they ended up winning UCL ( I honestly want Dortmund to win it this year, they kinda deserve it though  )

In any case, all the titles won this season with Real will be the only ones for him in his whole career - a good rise at the very end, isn’t it? And what also surprises me about Joselu is that he played in 11 different clubs, he clearly does not like to sit in one place and does not see any problems in changing the situation 
But it seems to me that after the level he saw in Real Madrid, he will not be able to return to Espanyol, most likely he will end his career if Real does not leave him as a rotation player.

[swogerino]

He's 34 years old, so not really
It is a great story, a fan of the club getting his chance at the end of his career and dragging them to a CL final.

He's on loan from Espanyol who's chasing promotion from La Segunda, he'll probably return there at the end of this season.

Yep totally cant picture him staying with Real Madrid next season. He is decent, definitely not on the top level as the other players but he really dragged Madrid out of the pit hole against Bayern Munich. Well atleast his story would be considered as one of the most successful loan story in history though, he has already won Super Cup and LaLiga with Real Madrid so it will be his 3rd trophy with Real madrid if they ended up winning UCL ( I honestly want Dortmund to win it this year, they kinda deserve it though  )

In any case, all the titles won this season with Real will be the only ones for him in his whole career - a good rise at the very end, isn’t it? And what also surprises me about Joselu is that he played in 11 different clubs, he clearly does not like to sit in one place and does not see any problems in changing the situation 
But it seems to me that after the level he saw in Real Madrid, he will not be able to return to Espanyol, most likely he will end his career if Real does not leave him as a rotation player.

I also think that he will end his career with Real Madrid as Real Madrid is one of the greatest club in the world not just in Spain.I think that he moved in 11 different clubs because maybe he did not enjoy himself there and did not won anything with them,when some player comes to Real whoever that maybe I find it very difficult for them to leave such a club,it is not about money anymore,it is about the prestige and about the money I don't think Real pays their players that bad  quite the opposite.So for Joselu based also on his age chances are extremely high for him to be staying at Real unless some Saudi Arabia club gives him an offer he can't refuse.

[cryptofrka]

I think he won't be retiring, he debuted for Spain last year aged 33 and already has 10 caps and 5 goals.
He'll surely be a part of the EURO team and I would not be surprised if he'll want a World Cup experience as well.

I think he plays for a few more years - he's that type of player that won't lose much with age. He's not a pacey dribbler - most of his quality comes from positional experience that he increased with age.

[swogerino]

I think he won't be retiring, he debuted for Spain last year aged 33 and already has 10 caps and 5 goals.
He'll surely be a part of the EURO team and I would not be surprised if he'll want a World Cup experience as well.

I think he plays for a few more years - he's that type of player that won't lose much with age. He's not a pacey dribbler - most of his quality comes from positional experience that he increased with age.

I also think that definitely he will get a call in the Euro especially if Real win the Champions League.Nowadays the age is not that determining factor as it was many years ago and it is also based on what a player does mostly in the field.For the World Cup I would wait to see how he plays and how Spain does in the Euros before jumping to conclusions,as if Spain does not win or goes near the final in the Euros most likely he won't be that motivated to participate in the World Cup but if Spain plays so well and wins the Euro or goes very near achieving it then most likely he would love to give another go at the World Cup.

[notblox1]

He's 34 years old, so not really
It is a great story, a fan of the club getting his chance at the end of his career and dragging them to a CL final.

You want a side bet on that with me? 
I am sure his value will go up a lot and he wont go back to Espanyol next season.
Real doesnt forget things he did, and maybe he repeats it in final again because he is inspired against clubs from Germany.