UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season

[LUCKMCFLY]

Benzema, Rodrygo and Alaba all are injured now and will not play against Manchester City as it seems. This must be a huge disappointment for Real Madrid. Because they are all critical players for Real Madrid now. Benzema and Rodrygo are already very important in the attacking line but now they will nearly completely rely on Vinicius Junior from now on. Ancelotti will use the same strategy again as it seems.  

Alaba looked also decent about defending Haaland in the first leg. In his absence Rudiger will have a bigger responsibility to keep him away from scoring goals. He was successful in the first leg maybe but here his job might be harder. I'm seeing Manchester City closer to the finale now.

It will be a disaster if these 3 important players can play in the match against Man City in Leg 2 (May 18). These 3 players are the key players and Real Madrid will get a serious problem if they are injured, especially for the attacking line. We must know Benzema is irreplaceable, Rodrygo is the most shining winger, and Alaba has a crucial role in the defense line. Missing these players means losing the chance of winning against Man City. To bo honest, I can't imagine how Real Madrid to play without them.  

The truth is that I don't imagine that these players will be left out either, Madrid depends a lot on them, and although the players they have on the bench are very good, I think that in this type of game that remains, a lot of experience is needed and for that reason it is that they must be without injuries, or it is very likely that Madrid will have problems to face this game, also City have Haaland, and he is a player who could not do much in the first leg, now in the Second leg he has to let go more, this game will undoubtedly be very Emotional and nothing will be Saved.

Official: Real Madrid squad list to face Manchester City | UCL semis 2nd leg

Ahead of their UEFA Champions League semi-final second leg against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium, Real Madrid have released the squad list that will be flying to England.

Real Madrid, the current champions of Europe, are looking to do a repeat of last season’s Champions League campaign by ousting Manchester City at the semi-finals before going on to lift the European title for a record 15th time.

The tie is nicely poised at this point as the first leg at the Santiago Bernabeu ended in a 1-1 draw last week.

With everything on the line heading into the second leg, manager Carlo Ancelotti has announced the squad list that will be travelling to Manchester for the game.

Source: https://madriduniversal.com/official-real-madrid-squad-list-to-face-manchester-city-ucl-semis-2nd-leg/

[naira]

But in the second leg Madrid's pressure was huge. They will play at the Etihad. Both have chances, but Man City have bigger chances. But Madrid sometimes have surprises. But I think many are betting on Man City for the second leg. Realistically the game looks like Madrid will struggle against Man City's possession. But Madrid are sometimes more effective in finishing chances. That's what they do at home and it's happened this season as well. A lot of rumours of Benzema being injured, I hope that doesn't happen they need Benzema at the moment.

Focus on each other's opportunities where Manchester City clearly can fully control the field. Madrid will try to get out of pressure and can always make good use of it. It will be hard to imagine because this 2nd leg is a decisive match that must be bet with all your might. We can just see the early minutes of the first round, both of them will launch attacks against each other.

The truth is that I don't imagine that these players will be left out either, Madrid depends a lot on them, and although the players they have on the bench are very good, I think that in this type of game that remains, a lot of experience is needed and for that reason it is that they must be without injuries, or it is very likely that Madrid will have problems to face this game, also City have Haaland, and he is a player who could not do much in the first leg, now in the Second leg he has to let go more, this game will undoubtedly be very Emotional and nothing will be Saved.

Official: Real Madrid squad list to face Manchester City | UCL semis 2nd leg

Now about the formation of the injured Madrid players, even though they don't seem to be seriously injured. We still hope that after seeing the squad released, it is possible that Ancelotti really wants his squad to be complete. Benzema, Rodrygo, and Vini are an inseparable composition for the coach. Because if there is not one of the 3 it feels like it doesn't look perfect.

[shinratensei_]

I can't find any news about Karim Benzema if he can play in the champions league against Manchester City or not but all I know is the second game won't be easy for Ancelotti because if they play without Benzema they won't have strong attacks in the same and this can be a reason for us to say Manchester City can have more chance.

We will see that. I thought that if ancelotti may be giving surprise before the match against manchester city. it's caused by manchester city becomes the strongest opponent that must be beaten by real madrid. I hope that there will be a confirmation from the club regarding his condition right now. We really needs him to play in the club. It will be a disaster for real madrid to play against city without him and rodrygo as these guys were good combination along with vini as winger.

I don't even know how good the attacking lines of real madrid without all of them. Benzema may surprisingly come back against manchester city.
I think that ancelotti will be informing it before the match against city. I meant in the interview before the match.

[DaNNy001]

The bookies seem quite confident that Manchester City will qualify for the final and also that they will win the title. If they win the final, they are indeed a heavy favorite against probably Inter Milan. But Inter Milan, where should we put them at the moment? They are in a good flow and have played the entire Italian top in the last games of the field. I would rather see a final between Real Madrid and Inter Milan, but I really wish Guardiola his first title with City. Many football experts say that City - Madrid is a 50-50 match.

Most of the time Bookies hype things for their own sack so in this case also happen with as most of the pundits are still feeling both teams having equal chance for the qualifying into final bookies are trying to cover their loses as well because right now as Manchester City is performing most chances they will win and also have title into their pocket as well with double is surely going to be amazing for the Guardiola and his team.

But, Real Madrid is also having history of unpredictable results as many times they shattered hearts of many peoples for their own wins so can they do this again it's big question mark right now but most chances we will have Manchester City vs Inter into final for this season.

Bookies have their own reasons when they put Manchester City as the favorite even in gadang gadang will win the Champions League this season, that is in line with their good performances so far and also they will play a match where they will get full support from the supporters who come to support them. In fact, Real Madrid has always been unfavorable when meeting strong clubs like Manchester City. Let's take the example of last season, round after round they went through without favorite status, in other words the opponents they faced were more favourites. But by being sure they can answer all the doubts directed at them.

One reason again that is added to why the bookmakers have given Manchester city a bigger odd to winning is that they are playing at home although it's quite clear even from the both teams performance that Manchester city has greater chances of winning but for some reasons everyone in the football world still doubt the possibility of this feat happening because this real Madrid side are just found of always wanting to play the final matches and Manchester city is well aware of that.

[keyscore44]

The bookies seem quite confident that Manchester City will qualify for the final and also that they will win the title. If they win the final, they are indeed a heavy favorite against probably Inter Milan. But Inter Milan, where should we put them at the moment? They are in a good flow and have played the entire Italian top in the last games of the field. I would rather see a final between Real Madrid and Inter Milan, but I really wish Guardiola his first title with City. Many football experts say that City - Madrid is a 50-50 match.

Most of the time Bookies hype things for their own sack so in this case also happen with as most of the pundits are still feeling both teams having equal chance for the qualifying into final bookies are trying to cover their loses as well because right now as Manchester City is performing most chances they will win and also have title into their pocket as well with double is surely going to be amazing for the Guardiola and his team.

But, Real Madrid is also having history of unpredictable results as many times they shattered hearts of many peoples for their own wins so can they do this again it's big question mark right now but most chances we will have Manchester City vs Inter into final for this season.

Bookies have their own reasons when they put Manchester City as the favorite even in gadang gadang will win the Champions League this season, that is in line with their good performances so far and also they will play a match where they will get full support from the supporters who come to support them. In fact, Real Madrid has always been unfavorable when meeting strong clubs like Manchester City. Let's take the example of last season, round after round they went through without favorite status, in other words the opponents they faced were more favourites. But by being sure they can answer all the doubts directed at them.

One reason again that is added to why the bookmakers have given Manchester city a bigger odd to winning is that they are playing at home although it's quite clear even from the both teams performance that Manchester city has greater chances of winning but for some reasons everyone in the football world still doubt the possibility of this feat happening because this real Madrid side are just found of always wanting to play the final matches and Manchester city is well aware of that.

If no miracle happens with Real Madrid then I think that Real Madrid has no hope of securing victory in the semi finals. Because Manchester City will never perform poorly at home and this is the semi-final of the Champions League. In addition, Manchester City showed a great performance in Real Madrid's field. All things considered, Manchester City's chances of securing victory are high.

[ShowOff]

One reason again that is added to why the bookmakers have given Manchester city a bigger odd to winning is that they are playing at home although it's quite clear even from the both teams performance that Manchester city has greater chances of winning but for some reasons everyone in the football world still doubt the possibility of this feat happening because this real Madrid side are just found of always wanting to play the final matches and Manchester city is well aware of that.

I don't know what's the fortunately of choosing Manchester City to win the second leg match even though the chances of winning are good. Manchester City odds very low for bet, I don't think it's worth the risk should Real Madrid manage to force the match into extra time.

I agree Manchester City are the favorites to reach the final this season but when it comes to the stakes I think the risks are so high that some people should probably consider the stakes. There is a possibility that the two teams draw in 90 minutes, but I don't really expect it. Manchester City must win because it was a really good season to win the Champions League. They need to play 3 finals where 2 of the 3 finals has secured"Premier League and FA Cup".

[harapan]

I do agree with it. Haaland was changing everything in the club. The came of haaland was also making manchester city become even stronger than before. Im very glad to see that city has been evolving this much but let's see whether it will able to beat real madrid in the second leg or not.
Manchester city has become favorite in the second leg and it's caused by city has very good record in the second leg.

I really hope history does not repeat itself again this time around. Real Madrid won Manchester in the second leg last season when everybody thought Manchester City would win Madrid in the second leg but the reverse was the case.
The difference is Man City never had a top striker then but they do now. Last reason, Man City had a lot of chances that were begging for a top striker to finish.
If Man City create enough chances for Halland then Madrid will be in a lot of  trouble. Another thing Man City needs to do is be very tight in defense and find a way to stop Vinicius. Vinicius gets a lot of praise, but I believe he doesn't get enough credit. Madrid hardly win games when Vinicius is having a bad game.

[Lordhermes]

I would advice everyone here to stake Real Madrid to win Manchester city in the second leg to the champions league game in Etihad. Real Madrid is still favourite for the title this season, I don't see Manchester city stopping Madrid from clinching the cup. No doubt Manchester city is a strong team, but when it comes to champions league football Real Madrid is on another level. It gonna be tough but Real Madrid will scale through to the finals.

The Ac Milan and Inter Milan game is a walk over for Inter Milan, they're already at the finals. Ac Milan is struggling at this stage, they might suffer more defeat this season. They're have injuries challenges in the club. At this critical time. It's quite unfortunate for them.

[DaNNy001]

The bookies seem quite confident that Manchester City will qualify for the final and also that they will win the title. If they win the final, they are indeed a heavy favorite against probably Inter Milan. But Inter Milan, where should we put them at the moment? They are in a good flow and have played the entire Italian top in the last games of the field. I would rather see a final between Real Madrid and Inter Milan, but I really wish Guardiola his first title with City. Many football experts say that City - Madrid is a 50-50 match.

Most of the time Bookies hype things for their own sack so in this case also happen with as most of the pundits are still feeling both teams having equal chance for the qualifying into final bookies are trying to cover their loses as well because right now as Manchester City is performing most chances they will win and also have title into their pocket as well with double is surely going to be amazing for the Guardiola and his team.

But, Real Madrid is also having history of unpredictable results as many times they shattered hearts of many peoples for their own wins so can they do this again it's big question mark right now but most chances we will have Manchester City vs Inter into final for this season.

Bookies have their own reasons when they put Manchester City as the favorite even in gadang gadang will win the Champions League this season, that is in line with their good performances so far and also they will play a match where they will get full support from the supporters who come to support them. In fact, Real Madrid has always been unfavorable when meeting strong clubs like Manchester City. Let's take the example of last season, round after round they went through without favorite status, in other words the opponents they faced were more favourites. But by being sure they can answer all the doubts directed at them.

One reason again that is added to why the bookmakers have given Manchester city a bigger odd to winning is that they are playing at home although it's quite clear even from the both teams performance that Manchester city has greater chances of winning but for some reasons everyone in the football world still doubt the possibility of this feat happening because this real Madrid side are just found of always wanting to play the final matches and Manchester city is well aware of that.

If no miracle happens with Real Madrid then I think that Real Madrid has no hope of securing victory in the semi finals. Because Manchester City will never perform poorly at home and this is the semi-final of the Champions League. In addition, Manchester City showed a great performance in Real Madrid's field. All things considered, Manchester City's chances of securing victory are high.

"If no miracle happens", then I guess you are not aware of the fact that this real Madrid side are very good miracle performers because that's exactly what they had been doing and has done since the beginning of the champions league, I mean, you can take for example their last season miracle in which they played almost all the toughest opponent in the champions league and they knocked them all out even being graded the least in those clashes and I think they can still well perform this miracle again.

[rendravolt]

With the poor performance achieved by Milan in the domestic league, it will certainly affect their confidence in the semi-final second leg against Inter. I can't understand why Milan is having a bad performance when they are falling behind Inter. The thing that makes me sure is that this time Inter are much better and maybe we won't see a strong resistance from Milan in the second leg later.

Inter can be sure of qualifying for the final with what they currently have and Milan still has to fix the mistakes that exist if they don't want to embarrass their fans. But if later Milan can equalize the aggregate score then that will open up a little hope for them to qualify for the final, but I don't put a 100% chance that it can happen.

[Tumanggor]

I don't know what's the fortunately of choosing Manchester City to win the second leg match even though the chances of winning are good. Manchester City odds very low for bet, I don't think it's worth the risk should Real Madrid manage to force the match into extra time.

I agree Manchester City are the favorites to reach the final this season but when it comes to the stakes I think the risks are so high that some people should probably consider the stakes. There is a possibility that the two teams draw in 90 minutes, but I don't really expect it. Manchester City must win because it was a really good season to win the Champions League. They need to play 3 finals where 2 of the 3 finals has secured"Premier League and FA Cup".

I see on many gambling sites, the probability of winning for Man City is very large, reaching 60%, while Madrid is only 19%, the rest is a draw

looking at the head-to-head history of the two teams, Madrid always gives extraordinary surprises, even unexpected ones, it seems that in this match it will happen again, I choose madrid for my bet in this match

[gabbie2010]

I would advice everyone here to stake Real Madrid to win Manchester city in the second leg to the champions league game in Etihad. Real Madrid is still favourite for the title this season, I don't see Manchester city stopping Madrid from clinching the cup. No doubt Manchester city is a strong team, but when it comes to champions league football Real Madrid is on another level. It gonna be tough but Real Madrid will scale through to the finals.

The Ac Milan and Inter Milan game is a walk over for Inter Milan, they're already at the finals. Ac Milan is struggling at this stage, they might suffer more defeat this season. They're have injuries challenges in the club. At this critical time. It's quite unfortunate for them.

Staking Real Madrid to win is dicey and unpredictable going by the way Man City dominated the first leg at the Bernabau as well as getting a draw probably you think what happened last season semifinals between the teams will repeat itself of course this season is a different ball game because Man City present squad which looks more formidable than last season, though I don't rule out Real Madrid based on their pedigree and experience in this competition, however I believe Guordiola won't allow or give any room for complacency again because the UCL trophy had been elusive to the club so this a big opportunity to win it.

[maju69]

With the poor performance achieved by Milan in the domestic league, it will certainly affect their confidence in the semi-final second leg against Inter. I can't understand why Milan is having a bad performance when they are falling behind Inter. The thing that makes me sure is that this time Inter are much better and maybe we won't see a strong resistance from Milan in the second leg later.

Inter can be sure of qualifying for the final with what they currently have and Milan still has to fix the mistakes that exist if they don't want to embarrass their fans. But if later Milan can equalize the aggregate score then that will open up a little hope for them to qualify for the final, but I don't put a 100% chance that it can happen.

I'm not going to say that Ac milan won't be able to level their gap to Inter Milan, but it's not an easy task for them to do. 2 goals is the number of goals that will be difficult to score if the opponent appears with a good defense. Because I think here Inter Milan will focus more on their defense and try to play it safe, because now they only need a draw to put themselves in the final.

[AakZaki]

I can't find any news about Karim Benzema if he can play in the champions league against Manchester City or not but all I know is the second game won't be easy for Ancelotti because if they play without Benzema they won't have strong attacks in the same and this can be a reason for us to say Manchester City can have more chance.

There is no official news yet, but I hope it doesn't happen. They are the main actors Madrid striker. Indeed, they were not included in the list of players against Getafe, maybe Anceloti deliberately rested them. My hope is they can play with full players. Madrid always struggle if Benzema is absent. They must now focus on the UCL to win and get three trophies this season.

[Docnaster]

With the poor performance achieved by Milan in the domestic league, it will certainly affect their confidence in the semi-final second leg against Inter. I can't understand why Milan is having a bad performance when they are falling behind Inter. The thing that makes me sure is that this time Inter are much better and maybe we won't see a strong resistance from Milan in the second leg later.

Inter can be sure of qualifying for the final with what they currently have and Milan still has to fix the mistakes that exist if they don't want to embarrass their fans. But if later Milan can equalize the aggregate score then that will open up a little hope for them to qualify for the final, but I don't put a 100% chance that it can happen.

I'm not going to say that Ac milan won't be able to level their gap to Inter Milan, but it's not an easy task for them to do. 2 goals is the number of goals that will be difficult to score if the opponent appears with a good defense. Because I think here Inter Milan will focus more on their defense and try to play it safe, because now they only need a draw to put themselves in the final.

Inter Milan has kept themselves in a very good position in the semi-final stage with the 2-0 win in the first leg. I doubt AC Milan will turn things around in the second leg. it will be very difficult, almost like an impossible task but since it is football it can happen. It has happened before in the 2018 round 16 when Manchester United on away defeated PSG in a 2-3 game after they lose 0-1 to them at home. Same with Tottenham and Ajax in a 0-1 and then 2-3 Come back for Ajax in 2018, all this come back seem impossible but it happen. Everything is possible in football.

[sana54210]

I don't want to be overly confident but I'm sure everyone agrees with me that manchester city is much better now than last season, they will play more pressing at Etihad at home because usually manchester city will play well at home. waiting for Inter milan in the final later 

I do agree with it. Haaland was changing everything in the club. The came of haaland was also making manchester city become even stronger than before. Im very glad to see that city has been evolving this much but let's see whether it will able to beat real madrid in the second leg or not.
Manchester city has become favorite in the second leg and it's caused by city has very good record in the second leg.

That's the problem at the same time. Haaland made them just a bit lazier, why? Because he can definitely score anytime he wants and that's an important talent to have and that is how they scored against so many teams so far, dude scored so many goals.

This meant that against Real Madrid they tried as a whole team but looked for Haaland a lot, and that was usually not an option because Rudiger covered him so tightly and they needed to adjust accordingly. That's good and all but they need to make sure that they can do better next time. If nothing else, he cancels out a defense, they can abuse that and get someone else to score, just like de bruyne did. And what a goal that was, I am sure he must felt so happy after all the drama on their personal life.

[slapper]

The bookies seem quite confident that Manchester City will qualify for the final and also that they will win the title. If they win the final, they are indeed a heavy favorite against probably Inter Milan. But Inter Milan, where should we put them at the moment? They are in a good flow and have played the entire Italian top in the last games of the field. I would rather see a final between Real Madrid and Inter Milan, but I really wish Guardiola his first title with City. Many football experts say that City - Madrid is a 50-50 match.

Most of the time Bookies hype things for their own sack so in this case also happen with as most of the pundits are still feeling both teams having equal chance for the qualifying into final bookies are trying to cover their loses as well because right now as Manchester City is performing most chances they will win and also have title into their pocket as well with double is surely going to be amazing for the Guardiola and his team.

But, Real Madrid is also having history of unpredictable results as many times they shattered hearts of many peoples for their own wins so can they do this again it's big question mark right now but most chances we will have Manchester City vs Inter into final for this season.

Bookies have their own reasons when they put Manchester City as the favorite even in gadang gadang will win the Champions League this season, that is in line with their good performances so far and also they will play a match where they will get full support from the supporters who come to support them. In fact, Real Madrid has always been unfavorable when meeting strong clubs like Manchester City. Let's take the example of last season, round after round they went through without favorite status, in other words the opponents they faced were more favourites. But by being sure they can answer all the doubts directed at them.

One reason again that is added to why the bookmakers have given Manchester city a bigger odd to winning is that they are playing at home although it's quite clear even from the both teams performance that Manchester city has greater chances of winning but for some reasons everyone in the football world still doubt the possibility of this feat happening because this real Madrid side are just found of always wanting to play the final matches and Manchester city is well aware of that.

Football world's buzzing! Manchester City and Real Madrid in the Champions League semi-finals? Fantastic! Bookmakers might give City the edge, playing at home and all. But home advantage? It's powerful, especially with Manchester City's talent!

Real Madrid's known for chasing the finals, but hey, Manchester City's just as hungry! They're killing it in the Premier League and against Real Madrid. It's like they've got a secret winning strategy!

Indeed, football is where the miraculous unfolds, and legends emerge. Real Madrid may strive valiantly, but they're up against a team with laser-focused eyes on the Champions League prize. It's a colossal showdown, and the exhilaration is sky-high!

[rahmad2nd]

I can't find any news about Karim Benzema if he can play in the champions league against Manchester City or not but all I know is the second game won't be easy for Ancelotti because if they play without Benzema they won't have strong attacks in the same and this can be a reason for us to say Manchester City can have more chance.

We will see that. I thought that if ancelotti may be giving surprise before the match against manchester city. it's caused by manchester city becomes the strongest opponent that must be beaten by real madrid. I hope that there will be a confirmation from the club regarding his condition right now. We really needs him to play in the club. It will be a disaster for real madrid to play against city without him and rodrygo as these guys were good combination along with vini as winger.

I don't even know how good the attacking lines of real madrid without all of them. Benzema may surprisingly come back against manchester city.
I think that ancelotti will be informing it before the match against city. I meant in the interview before the match.

Benzema will be played, otherwise it is disastrous for Madrid. I think what you should know is, the combination of, Benzema, Vini Jr, and Rodrygo. these 3 players understand each other, meaning that chemistry is very well established and this is one of Madrid's strengths. Another strength, Madrid has a combination of player to player when in the opponent's defense area. whether it's Vini Jr, Benzema, Rodry, also a combination with midfielders like Modric and Kroos. plus, sometimes Camavingga or Valverde.  they do so with quick rotations, which in the end always cause trouble for their opponent's defense.
We can see this, when Madrid had momentum in the first leg even though only a few times. especially if Benzema and Vini Jr. are playing with their best performance. it will be difficult for any team, to stop these two players.

Now we are talking in the second leg match, their opponent is a team that has a system that is difficult to break. plus, inhabited by quality players. so, it will be difficult for Madrid to win the second leg easily. that means, they must mobilize all the capabilities they have as well as Don Carlo must prepare another strategy. because, the probability of City is greater than Madrid.

[BITCOIN4X]

There is no official news yet, but I hope it doesn't happen. They are the main actors Madrid striker. Indeed, they were not included in the list of players against Getafe, maybe Anceloti deliberately rested them. My hope is they can play with full players. Madrid always struggle if Benzema is absent. They must now focus on the UCL to win and get three trophies this season.

Benzema is the soul of Real Madrid's attack line this season and Vinicius too. I think Ancelotti only rested him against Getafe, he needs rest even though his sharpness needs to be honed every game. If Madrid are not reinforced by Benzema in the second leg, I think the chance for Manchester City to beat them is really big.

For tomorrow's match, Inter vs Milan is the first. Inter will probably win the second leg as well as securing ticket to the final. Inter are the favorites after taking a 2-goal lead in the first leg, but I hope Milan can give their best in the second leg tomorrow.

[Minecache]

I don't want to be overly confident but I'm sure everyone agrees with me that manchester city is much better now than last season, they will play more pressing at Etihad at home because usually manchester city will play well at home. waiting for Inter milan in the final later 

I do agree with it. Haaland was changing everything in the club. The came of haaland was also making manchester city become even stronger than before. Im very glad to see that city has been evolving this much but let's see whether it will able to beat real madrid in the second leg or not.
Manchester city has become favorite in the second leg and it's caused by city has very good record in the second leg.

That's the problem at the same time. Haaland made them just a bit lazier, why? Because he can definitely score anytime he wants and that's an important talent to have and that is how they scored against so many teams so far, dude scored so many goals.
This meant that against Real Madrid they tried as a whole team but looked for Haaland a lot, and that was usually not an option because Rudiger covered him so tightly and they needed to adjust accordingly. That's good and all but they need to make sure that they can do better next time. If nothing else, he cancels out a defense, they can abuse that and get someone else to score, just like de bruyne did. And what a goal that was, I am sure he must felt so happy after all the drama on their personal life.

Real Madrid understood that if they can stop Haaland, they will be having the upper hand over Manchester City. But after the first leg City also understands that. So Manchester City is also going to adapt accordingly. I am sure some changes will be made so that Manchester City can keep Haaland free when they need him.

De Bruyne either has to forget about the personal life so that he can concentrate better on football or he can also use that as motivation. I hope he will be able to use that as motivation. Because honestly there is no motivation like this.