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[dkbit98]

"Taint" is kinda arbitrary, defined by companies that earn from selling the notion of taint. Which means they can simply define anything withdrawn from their customers as "clean". The coins stay the same, it's the finger-pointing that changes.

Exactly, and I think this was done on purpose.

Sure, taint is a made-up concept, but to the extent that people believe it often the users we see who get shotgun-KYC'ed acquired their coins on a P2P exchange. Conversely users that have tainted coins tend to dispose of them there too. Centralized services can, in theory, send you tainted coins, but in practice it basically never happens. The only exception which comes to mind, that affected our users, was users who used eXch shortly before they shut down.

Most of this so called ''tainted'' coins are almost all coming from centralized exchanges in the first place, either from a hack or some kind of extortion.
And scammers are more likely using mixers and coinjoin, so with your logic I could say that most coinjoined coins fit in the same category.
It's so easy to ''clean'' any coins if someone ''whitelist'' one exchange address.

[OrangeFren]

Most of this so called ''tainted'' coins are almost all coming from centralized exchanges in the first place, either from a hack or some kind of extortion.
And scammers are more likely using mixers and coinjoin, so with your logic I could say that most coinjoined coins fit in the same category.
It's so easy to ''clean'' any coins if someone ''whitelist'' one exchange address.

Well yeah, mixed and coinjoined funds are considered tainted generally

[Knight Hider]

Exolix review: waste of time!
In April I withdrew bitcoin from Jacks Club. Today I deposited to Exolix and nothing happened:
Confirmation 3/1

Only after I contacted Chat, I was told:

your deposit didn't pass our AML check
we can continue the exchange via DEX but in this case an additional fee will be included

(13:15:11) Knight: What would the DEX fee be?
(13:22:48) support team: Unfortunately, I can't tell you the exact amount


Orangefren:

Tainted coins may be processed with a worse rate by up to 2.5%.

Exolix does not know the rate.

At least I was refunded. I wasted 30 minutes of my life on this. Chat online is slow to respond.
What's wrong with 398d4c0a6e06c80a182d963881e75d0485c7b160a883e6eabacbacc86c73c4fe?

[OrangeFren]

Exolix review: waste of time!
In April I withdrew bitcoin from Jacks Club. Today I deposited to Exolix and nothing happened:
Confirmation 3/1

Only after I contacted Chat, I was told:

your deposit didn't pass our AML check
we can continue the exchange via DEX but in this case an additional fee will be included

(13:15:11) Knight: What would the DEX fee be?
(13:22:48) support team: Unfortunately, I can't tell you the exact amount


Orangefren:

Tainted coins may be processed with a worse rate by up to 2.5%.

Exolix does not know the rate.

At least I was refunded. I wasted 30 minutes of my life on this. Chat online is slow to respond.
What's wrong with 398d4c0a6e06c80a182d963881e75d0485c7b160a883e6eabacbacc86c73c4fe?

That's not great. I'm glad you got refunded. I'm not sure why they don't like those coins. You can ask them for an AML check, maybe they'll tell you more.

Consider leaving a review of Exolix on our site here: https://orangefren.com/user/new?service_name=exolix

[Knight Hider]

I asked PegasusSwap for the AML score:

All good! 2.8% risk

I completed my exchange with PegasusSwap. A bit lower rate but good service.

[examplens]

At least I was refunded. I wasted 30 minutes of my life on this. Chat online is slow to respond.
What's wrong with 398d4c0a6e06c80a182d963881e75d0485c7b160a883e6eabacbacc86c73c4fe?

It's not a waste of your time, you gained new experience. Never ignore that.
Some time ago, I also used Exolix, but I still insisted on getting a check and confirmation from them on whether the funds from my sending address are safe with them. Only after they confirmed it, I enter into the swap process.
One thing that is common in my case and yours is a bit slow and inadequate support. At first, they told me that they do not do an AML check before the swap, but in the end (I guess the operator asked), it turned out that they would do the check.

I asked PegasusSwap for the AML score:

All good! 2.8% risk

I completed my exchange with PegasusSwap. A bit lower rate but good service.

2.8% after your coins were returned from Exolix? So in a way they served as a mixer for you. 

[Knight Hider]

2.8% after your coins were returned from Exolix? So in a way they served as a mixer for you. 

Same address, same coins. Exolix did not pass AML with 2.8% score.

[OrangeFren]

2.8% after your coins were returned from Exolix? So in a way they served as a mixer for you. 

Same address, same coins. Exolix did not pass AML with 2.8% score.

This is the perfect example of how every chain forensic company will give you a different AML score for the exact same UTXOs.

Make sure to use the "Free AML filter" on OrangeFren.com to avoid these issues.

[examplens]

2.8% after your coins were returned from Exolix? So in a way they served as a mixer for you. 

Same address, same coins. Exolix did not pass AML with 2.8% score.

They can't be the same coins if you already sent them to Exolix. If nothing else, they have one more hop.
I had a similar experience with another exchange, where, after a refund, the same coins went from a "70%" score to 2%. I assume it's just because they went through a licensed exchange.

[dkbit98]

This is the perfect example of how every chain forensic company will give you a different AML score for the exact same UTXOs.

Make sure to use the "Free AML filter" on OrangeFren.com to avoid these issues.

I like this and all other filters that can be combined.
This can reduce number of results and maybe we are getting lower exchange rates sometimes, but at least we don't have to waste time later with KYC.
I do wonder how accurate this filters are, but I am going to test it and report if I notice anything wrong.

[Exolix]

Exolix review: waste of time!
In April I withdrew bitcoin from Jacks Club. Today I deposited to Exolix and nothing happened:
Confirmation 3/1

Only after I contacted Chat, I was told:

your deposit didn't pass our AML check
we can continue the exchange via DEX but in this case an additional fee will be included

(13:15:11) Knight: What would the DEX fee be?
(13:22:48) support team: Unfortunately, I can't tell you the exact amount


Orangefren:

Tainted coins may be processed with a worse rate by up to 2.5%.

Exolix does not know the rate.

At least I was refunded. I wasted 30 minutes of my life on this. Chat online is slow to respond.
What's wrong with 398d4c0a6e06c80a182d963881e75d0485c7b160a883e6eabacbacc86c73c4fe?

Hello! Unfortunately, there are situations beyond our control, which may affect the process. Nevertheless, we always strive to respond promptly and provide assistance in the shortest possible time. Sometimes, however, resolving a case requires more time, and we sincerely regret that this one took longer than you expected and left you dissatisfied.

We processed a full refund right away, as per your request, and we truly appreciate your understanding.

[Knight Hider]

Hello! Unfortunately, there are situations beyond our control, which may affect the process.

Such as?

You did not answer my question: What's wrong with 398d4c0a6e06c80a182d963881e75d0485c7b160a883e6eabacbacc86c73c4fe?

[OrangeFren]

Stats for searches on OrangeFren.com in September👀

Why has ETH collapsed to 5th place?

XMR: 44.30%
BTC: 31.19%
LTC: 7.05%
USDT: 5.53%
ETH: 4.83%
USDC: 1.79%
SOL: 1.22%
BTCLN: 0.94%
ZEC: 0.54%
DOGE: 0.34%
BCH: 0.32%
TRX: 0.29%
DAI: 0.22%
XRP: 0.21%
BNB: 0.17%
TON: 0.13%
ZANO: 0.11%

[dkbit98]

Stats for searches on OrangeFren.com in September👀

Why has ETH collapsed to 5th place?

And I know and I honestly don't care, but some share of USDT and other stablecoins is probably coming from ethereum blockchain.
I think similar downtrend will continue for most altcoins, except for monero that is preparing for first testing of FCMP++ optimization tomorrow.

Any chance of adding BTC on Liquid and L-USDT soon on OrangeFren?

I see this listed already:

[OrangeFren]

Any chance of adding BTC on Liquid and L-USDT soon on OrangeFren?

I see this listed already:

Adding to the stats? It's below 0.1% for now

[OrangeFren]

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[dkbit98]

Adding to the stats? It's below 0.1% for now

Oh nice, I see you finally listed Boltz with atomic swaps, but it is only available for BTC <-> L-BTC <-> LN pairs.
You could also add some stablecoins included that can be found on sideswap.io

From all stablecoins on Orangefren, what blockchain is used the most?

[OrangeFren]

You could also add some stablecoins included that can be found on sideswap.io

From all stablecoins on Orangefren, what blockchain is used the most?

We had a plan to add sideswap, but forgot to do it. I'll make sure it gets added soon!

Interesting question. I ran a query to check for all token and got the following.

The most popular network is.... Lightning! (As in Bitcoin on Lightning)
2nd is Tron
3rd Ethereum
4th Binance Smart Chain

[dkbit98]

We had a plan to add sideswap, but forgot to do it. I'll make sure it gets added soon!

Thanks.
I would like to see the option to swap l-usdt directly to bitcoin, monero and vice versa.

The most popular network is.... Lightning! (As in Bitcoin on Lightning)
2nd is Tron
3rd Ethereum
4th Binance Smart Chain

But as far as I know there is no USDT or other major stablecoins on lightning, and I was asking for that
It is funny to see Tron network is used the most, since they have the highest fees of all other networks, and liquid have one of the lowest fees.

[examplens]

OrangeFren, you should probably reconsider keeping Simpleswap in your monitoring. A scam accusation was opened against them, and they are handling it very poorly https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561138.0
Their explanations on Bestchange are a real joke

But there is a possibility that they are in trouble, perhaps they point to several recent similar complaints on Trustpilot https://www.trustpilot.com/review/simpleswap.io?stars=1