[Boxing]: Vasiliy Lomachenko vs Jamaine Ortiz - October 29

[Davidvictorson]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

[Jating]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

But there might not be value in your money if you bet on ML for Loma in this fight. For sure Ortiz will be a huge underdog. So for me, better to wait for other betting options to get listed first and look for the best odds for our money.

But I do agree that even if Loma was quite away from boxing because of the war, he still got the boxing IQ and overall ring generalship that is very hard for Ortiz to overcome. I might be seeing Ortiz getting confused in some rounds when Loma started his aggressiveness and then his hi-tech style.

[Fredomago]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

But there might not be value in your money if you bet on ML for Loma in this fight. For sure Ortiz will be a huge underdog. So for me, better to wait for other betting options to get listed first and look for the best odds for our money.

But I do agree that even if Loma was quite away from boxing because of the war, he still got the boxing IQ and overall ring generalship that is very hard for Ortiz to overcome. I might be seeing Ortiz getting confused in some rounds when Loma started his aggressiveness and then his hi-tech style.

He already have that instinct and for sure that will always his edge against his opponent, it will be enhance back each trainings that he's doing, Loma is loma that's for sure he will be the same fighter who fans really admire, A good way to bring his name back from this sport. After completing this fight, he might challenge whoever available money fight from this division.

Like what you said, better to wait for additional available odds during the live games, or if you are okay with ML and you have a huge amount of money to stake.

[btc_angela]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

But there might not be value in your money if you bet on ML for Loma in this fight. For sure Ortiz will be a huge underdog. So for me, better to wait for other betting options to get listed first and look for the best odds for our money.

But I do agree that even if Loma was quite away from boxing because of the war, he still got the boxing IQ and overall ring generalship that is very hard for Ortiz to overcome. I might be seeing Ortiz getting confused in some rounds when Loma started his aggressiveness and then his hi-tech style.

He already have that instinct and for sure that will always his edge against his opponent, it will be enhance back each trainings that he's doing, Loma is loma that's for sure he will be the same fighter who fans really admire, A good way to bring his name back from this sport. After completing this fight, he might challenge whoever available money fight from this division.

Like what you said, better to wait for additional available odds during the live games, or if you are okay with ML and you have a huge amount of money to stake.

Can someone confirmed if Loma is going to be trained by his father again? He is supposed to train Usyk but I haven't seen him in media together with either of them.

I was just asking because Anatoly like any other father that train their son in boxing is very instrumental in guiding their career. For instance Devin Haney's father who almost did not make it to Australia in the first fight.

[lionheart78]

Can someone confirmed if Loma is going to be trained by his father again? He is supposed to train Usyk but I haven't seen him in media together with either of them.

I was just asking because Anatoly like any other father that train their son in boxing is very instrumental in guiding their career. For instance Devin Haney's father who almost did not make it to Australia in the first fight.

There is not enough information regarding the trainers of Vasiliy in the coming fight with Ortiz.  Probably his father will still be his trainer since there is no news about the changes in Vasily's camp.


I read a news, it looks like Arum will be scheduling the Lomachenco-Haney fight if ever Loma wins against Ortiz.

Arum: If Lomachenko beats Ortiz, we’ll have him fight Haney early next year

It looks like the long waiting of fans to witness a showdown between Loma and Haney will have a possibility to happen early next year.  

[Hypnosis00]

Can someone confirmed if Loma is going to be trained by his father again? He is supposed to train Usyk but I haven't seen him in media together with either of them.

I was just asking because Anatoly like any other father that train their son in boxing is very instrumental in guiding their career. For instance Devin Haney's father who almost did not make it to Australia in the first fight.

There is not enough information regarding the trainers of Vasiliy in the coming fight with Ortiz.  Probably his father will still be his trainer since there is no news about the changes in Vasily's camp.


I read a news, it looks like Arum will be scheduling the Lomachenco-Haney fight if ever Loma wins against Ortiz.

Arum: If Lomachenko beats Ortiz, we’ll have him fight Haney early next year

It looks like the long waiting of fans to witness a showdown between Loma and Haney will have a possibility to happen early next year.  

I don't mind waiting that long as long as this fight will be realized. It's a big fight, and it's not easy to predict the winner of the fight. It might result to Loma being the underdog, and I like that odds for him as I'll certainly bet on Loma to win.

[Ziskinberg]

It might result to Loma being the underdog, and I like that odds for him as I'll certainly bet on Loma to win.

Obviously Loma will be the underdog, but I believe he will only be a slight underdog, that's the kind of underdog I'm looking because I see some value if that prediction of yours will come into reality. Loma had some speed as well, he already fought a quick boxer but he beat the boxer, I'm talking of Guillermo
Rigondeaux,  this guy is very quick but Loma made him retired in the fight.

[Fredomago]

It might result to Loma being the underdog, and I like that odds for him as I'll certainly bet on Loma to win.

Obviously Loma will be the underdog, but I believe he will only be a slight underdog, that's the kind of underdog I'm looking because I see some value if that prediction of yours will come into reality. Loma had some speed as well, he already fought a quick boxer but he beat the boxer, I'm talking of Guillermo
Rigondeaux,  this guy is very quick but Loma made him retired in the fight.

Loma knows how to adjust he's very natural fighter who analyze well his opponent during the fight and create a strategy in how to beat while trying to protect himself to avoid taking solid punches, he knows how to protect and throw combos that also converts and create openings, I can see that even Haney will get the bookies advantage or favorite it's not by far, just the same with both of you bookies knows that there are many fans that will bet for Loma once the arrange fight will be schedule.

[serjent05]

It might result to Loma being the underdog, and I like that odds for him as I'll certainly bet on Loma to win.

Obviously Loma will be the underdog, but I believe he will only be a slight underdog, that's the kind of underdog I'm looking because I see some value if that prediction of yours will come into reality. Loma had some speed as well, he already fought a quick boxer but he beat the boxer, I'm talking of Guillermo
Rigondeaux,  this guy is very quick but Loma made him retired in the fight.

Loma knows how to adjust he's very natural fighter who analyze well his opponent during the fight and create a strategy in how to beat while trying to protect himself to avoid taking solid punches, he knows how to protect and throw combos that also converts and create openings, I can see that even Haney will get the bookies advantage or favorite it's not by far, just the same with both of you bookies knows that there are many fans that will bet for Loma once the arrange fight will be schedule.

No matter how good as a boxer Loma is, when he faces Haney, Loma will be the underdog. The reason why I think so is that Haney had defeated a guy who defeated Lomachenko.  Aside from that Haney is on top of the chain at this moment.  So basically Haney will be given the statistical advantage.  Though we have to wait for the result of both Haney and Loma's next fight.  Since both Kambosos and Ortiz are eyeing the win too. and if both Haney and Loma win then the fight between the two will happen.

[Russlenat]

No matter how good as a boxer Loma is, when he faces Haney, Loma will be the underdog. The reason why I think so is that Haney had defeated a guy who defeated Lomachenko. 

Nope, Haney did not defeat Lopez who defeated Loma, he only defeated Kambosos who defeated Lopez, so Haney vs Loma would be a different story. I agree that Loma will be the underdog, but I also believe that it's not going to be easy for Haney although I must say that his quickness maybe his advantage.

[Japinat]

No matter how good as a boxer Loma is, when he faces Haney, Loma will be the underdog. The reason why I think so is that Haney had defeated a guy who defeated Lomachenko. 

Nope, Haney did not defeat Lopez who defeated Loma, he only defeated Kambosos who defeated Lopez, so Haney vs Loma would be a different story. I agree that Loma will be the underdog, but I also believe that it's not going to be easy for Haney although I must say that his quickness maybe his advantage.

We can check that on his record - https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659771

Lomachenko only lost to 2 fighters of the total 18 fights he had.

1st - Orlando Salido via split decision
2nd - Teofimo Lopez via unanimous decision.

[Jawhead999]

We can check that on his record - https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659771

Lomachenko only lost to 2 fighters of the total 18 fights he had.

1st - Orlando Salido via split decision
2nd - Teofimo Lopez via unanimous decision.

IMO the first lost is because he's too young to face very experienced boxer since Orlando Salido have fought 55 times while it's the second fight for Lomachenko. The second lost is due to his injury as we can see Lomachenko is very weird on the first sixth rounds, he's like a different person. What I know Lomachenko is a flash since he is vigorous, quick and unpredictable as he like to change his stance.

[Baofeng]

We can check that on his record - https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659771

Lomachenko only lost to 2 fighters of the total 18 fights he had.

1st - Orlando Salido via split decision
2nd - Teofimo Lopez via unanimous decision.

IMO the first lost is because he's too young to face very experienced boxer since Orlando Salido have fought 55 times while it's the second fight for Lomachenko. The second lost is due to his injury as we can see Lomachenko is very weird on the first sixth rounds, he's like a different person. What I know Lomachenko is a flash since he is vigorous, quick and unpredictable as he like to change his stance.

Right, that was just his second fight in his career but was match against the more experienced Salido. But I guess it did good for Loam in the long term, as his eyes is open to the professional world of boxing, as we all know that he has an extensive experience as an amateur. And after that lost to Salido he won successively becoming a champion and then lost to Lopez later and then we just know that he has a shoulder injury in their fight. But a healthy version of Loma is almost unbeatable.

[yazher]

IMO the first lost is because he's too young to face very experienced boxer since Orlando Salido have fought 55 times while it's the second fight for Lomachenko. The second lost is due to his injury as we can see Lomachenko is very weird on the first sixth rounds, he's like a different person. What I know Lomachenko is a flash since he is vigorous, quick and unpredictable as he like to change his stance.

That's why I think this next fight would be different he was surely been doing fine since he went home and now he's back and he is conditioned all ready to take his comeback fight. Now if he wins this upcoming fight against Ortiz, he will have his huge fight next year based on the speech of Bob Arum. He will be matched against Haney for a championship bout which will gonna be one of the best fights next year.

[Japinat]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

I wouldn't bet my money against Lomachenko either because that's very unwise to do
I also have no doubts that Lomachenko got this and he has the upper hand in this fight even if Oritz is younger and has the height and reach advantage. I'd say that those advantages that the latter have won't mean that much compared to Lomachenko's IQ in the ring. Also, there's a good probability that this fight could end in TKO/KO rather than a decision.

[wxa7115]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

I wouldn't bet my money against Lomachenko either because that's very unwise to do
I also have no doubts that Lomachenko got this and he has the upper hand in this fight even if Oritz is younger and has the height and reach advantage. I'd say that those advantages that the latter have won't mean that much compared to Lomachenko's IQ in the ring. Also, there's a good probability that this fight could end in TKO/KO rather than a decision.

Correct, those advantages could be very relevant if both fighters were of the same category but since that is not the case and by far the best fighter out of the two is Lomachenko then those factors that may seem to be massive suddenly become completely non-important as I do not think there is any way in which Ortiz can beat Lomachenko.

And even if I think is a mistake for Lomachenko to think about Hanney before he beats Ortiz I think he needs to prepare himself for the very real possibility that he's going to fight him very soon.

[carlisle1]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

I wouldn't bet my money against Lomachenko either because that's very unwise to do
I also have no doubts that Lomachenko got this and he has the upper hand in this fight even if Oritz is younger and has the height and reach advantage. I'd say that those advantages that the latter have won't mean that much compared to Lomachenko's IQ in the ring. Also, there's a good probability that this fight could end in TKO/KO rather than a decision.

Same with how I see the possible outcome of this upcoming fight. Loma with high IQ and skills in this sport, I agree that he

have the upper hand here. He's strong, and he's also patient while fighting. If he sees good openings, he will quickly take that shot

and make sure that his opponent won't be able to recover. KO is something that exciting to see if this really is a preparation for more

money fight for Loma, knocking down Ortiz might happen.

[inthelongrun]

We can check that on his record - https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659771

Lomachenko only lost to 2 fighters of the total 18 fights he had.

1st - Orlando Salido via split decision
2nd - Teofimo Lopez via unanimous decision.

IMO the first lost is because he's too young to face very experienced boxer since Orlando Salido have fought 55 times while it's the second fight for Lomachenko. The second lost is due to his injury as we can see Lomachenko is very weird on the first sixth rounds, he's like a different person. What I know Lomachenko is a flash since he is vigorous, quick and unpredictable as he like to change his stance.

Right, that was just his second fight in his career but was match against the more experienced Salido. But I guess it did good for Loam in the long term, as his eyes is open to the professional world of boxing, as we all know that he has an extensive experience as an amateur. And after that lost to Salido he won successively becoming a champion and then lost to Lopez later and then we just know that he has a shoulder injury in their fight. But a healthy version of Loma is almost unbeatable.

Damn! I already forgot what really happened in that actual Salido-Loma fight and I think I haven't scored it maybe because I do not have a good connection or I am not that focused while watching it. One thing is sure, it was controversial.

1. Orlando Salido was stripped of his WBO title as he was a kilo heavier and that's already a very heavy advantage. Fighters usually missed limits below 1 pound and most of them can reduce weight in 2 hours. I haven't heard of another featherweight championship that a fighter missed that much weight.

2. I remember there were low blows. I forgot if controversial referee Laurence Cole warned Salido but he never deducted a point.

After this fight Salido never fought again at featherweight and went on to become a champion again at super-featherweight. They should have a rematch 2 years later but Salido lost his belt to Martinez whom Loma stopped pretty easily.

It's always sad when someone lost a fight due to injury. Loma had surgery after his fight against Teofimo. Damn Loma, he could've postponed the fight and moved it to another date.

[Japinat]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

I wouldn't bet my money against Lomachenko either because that's very unwise to do
I also have no doubts that Lomachenko got this and he has the upper hand in this fight even if Oritz is younger and has the height and reach advantage. I'd say that those advantages that the latter have won't mean that much compared to Lomachenko's IQ in the ring. Also, there's a good probability that this fight could end in TKO/KO rather than a decision.

Same with how I see the possible outcome of this upcoming fight. Loma with high IQ and skills in this sport, I agree that he

have the upper hand here. He's strong, and he's also patient while fighting. If he sees good openings, he will quickly take that shot

and make sure that his opponent won't be able to recover. KO is something that exciting to see if this really is a preparation for more

money fight for Loma, knocking down Ortiz might happen.

Right? I mean, I can't really imagine Lomachenko losing here because Ortiz doesn't have what it takes to take out Loma except for the advantages he has but that won't guarantee his success because Loma is an experienced boxer who knows his way in the ring.

It's really unfortunate for Ortiz because he will be treated like a tune-up fight for Loma's return, and a KO is really possible and would be good to see as that will even boost some more hype for Loma to fight Haney next.

[btc_angela]

Seeing Loma and Haney in one ring would really be exciting though it will also be a big challenge for the both of them. Haney might really be the bettor favorite but I think Lomo would really show off his aggressiveness to beat down Haney. Loma vs Ortiz would be another opportunity for Loma to strengthen up his stamina in preparation for him to face Haney in the future.

This is my thoughts exactly. My money is on Lomachenko. For me, he possess the qualities of a good boxer. Unlike Ortiz, he has a better Boxing IQ and ring generalship. During the match, I expect that he’ll be able to pick up the pace to an intense level. This will in turn expose cracks in Ortiz ring IQ that should bring about mistakes in the ring. I see this match as a prep fight for Loma. The real deal is going to be with Haney.

I wouldn't bet my money against Lomachenko either because that's very unwise to do
I also have no doubts that Lomachenko got this and he has the upper hand in this fight even if Oritz is younger and has the height and reach advantage. I'd say that those advantages that the latter have won't mean that much compared to Lomachenko's IQ in the ring. Also, there's a good probability that this fight could end in TKO/KO rather than a decision.

There are a lot of boxers that fought Lomachenko in their prime, with the height and reach advantage bust still lost to him. It just shows that Loma is really above those boxers, his trainer alone was un-orthodox, we haven't seen that kind of trainings before, it's not just his skills, but like the reaction time, it's just like watching Steph Curry doing his drills but not with a basketball, but some other training to improved his skill set, like decision making that why he has  big boxing IQ. Right, this fight could end in a TKO/KO and won't go to the judges scorecard.