A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning.

[QueenVera]

From the story, I think the company isn't wanting to pay the winner because he won some huge amount in the past year (2019) and now another heavy winning from same betting outlet, which to an extent called for an alarm to them..
I guess that lottery company, has forgotten in a hurry that it is of a very bad reputation for the company to be facing a non payment charges in the court against them, and I guess they might lose lot of customers if care isn't take this time.
They talked about irregularities, but never mentioned in details what it entailed, as I don't really see the possibilities of irregularities in playing a game of uncertainty and prediction.
The game was played with big amount ($690), so the winning shouldn't be shocking to them.
If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

The case is already in the court, and I hope the player wins as the company could easily just pay the judge and the case to their favour.

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[nakamura12]

They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

[piebeyb]

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Sorry, but the gambling company didn't mention any proofs of irregularities to justify their decision of not paying the winner. They simply claim the winner is a cheater and that they won't accept being blackmailed or bullied in order to pay the money.

In my opinion that is a very disgusting approach by the casino which only reinforces the winner gambler's side.

I think the same.

Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

That, although statistically improbable, is not impossible. It has happened in Spain recently with the Euromillions:

He wins the EuroMillions for the second time in two years: "I can't believe it".

(translated from Spanish into English)

As the person concerned is a businessman, he probably plays a lot of lotteries and plays large amounts. I know someone like that, who buys thousands of euros in the Christmas lottery, and a couple of years ago he won 240,000 euros.

[serjent05]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

Take note, it is a lottery.  If there is irregularities within the bet, it isn't the bettor's fault why not investigate their own staff about it.  Not because the winner of the previous months raffle is from that outlet, the next winner shouldn't be on the same outlet.  That reasoning is absurd and made me think that lottery game result is already known even before the raffle and that outlet is leaking the information or having someone to bet that number in their outlet.  There can be lots of conspiracy theories that we can create from here.

About denying a win because the system is wiped out, that is the dumbest reason I ever heard.  It is obvious that they don't want to pay the winner and possibly wanted to pocket the prize money.

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

They wanted to silence the victim by paying him.  If the victim accepts the payment then the case is settled and they can indulge themselves in pocketing the winning prize money.

[Fatunad]

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

spend a lot of money to settle at the legal desk that's for sure. because the lottery party may be vehemently unwilling to pay the gambler's big winnings and be willing to spend money to bribe some police or court of law to win at the justice table.
it is possible for the lottery to spend 23k or 29k to pay the police or legal experts to help deny the gambler's winnings for any reason.
but i hope the gambler will win at the court table

One of the probabilities that you should consider out when taking up some legal actions towards those lottery owners/management which you cant really put a good damn fight since bribery could really be possible
on these cases and since they are really that financially capable then its anticipated that they would really be making under the table kind of negotiations which would really be a huge disadvantage for you or
you would be ending up on spending up money on hearings + lawyers fees or something  that in correlated which would really be putting up much expenses which is something that neither you could bare up or
not.So its not always a good idea on taking up legal actions directly if the said winning isnt really that too much for you to mind on.

[Viscore]

...What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I think attacking the winner and accusing him of irregular activities is just their way of saving face. The lottery company tried to compromise and asked to pay the winner with a lesser amount. That alone should tell us that they know they did something wrong or that their system was messed up. Let's leave the result of the case to the court.

If the lottery company has its valid reasons and that the player has bet illegally, then the court will favor them. But if the court find out that the lottery itself has done something that is against the rules, then it’s a clear manifestation that the lottery company is not performing legally, so they should be given proper sanction on it and might be even force to closure once proven guilty. However, the player has also the right to claim his huge winning after the lottery company has proven guilty.

[michellee]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

^Definitely right and it is indeed about the credibility they have, people who will know about this case will lose confidence to buy tickets and trust them and it could be the reason to shut down their company. I feel that in this case is too familiar with any centralized platform which doing a shady activity, they are selectively scamming their people those who have a large amount balance. This is not a lottery defense or any excuse, it is clearly scamming their people and accusing them of possible violations as long as the big winnings won't come out.

And hopefully, no one will defend the company, especially if this has been going on for a long time so people will know better that the company is not trustworthy and that they should leave it for their own good. I think many other gambling companies have better credibility than that company. And this is a lesson for those people always to use a company that won't cheat them. Hopefully, no more people will be fooled by that company.

[qwertyup23]

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The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

A case like this should be investigated and studied carefully- the gambling company alleged that the person faced irregularities but they have to lay all the evidence against the winner.

Since the gambling company was the one who claimed that the winner had irregularities, the burden of showing the evidence to substantiate this claim falls on them and not on the winner. Like what one has mentioned, the fact that the gambling company also offered to pay a compromise agreement somehow implies this admission against their original claim.

[Renampun]

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The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

This is the reason why you shouldn't just place the lottery easily, there are many fake lottery companies that refuse to pay big winning winners.

the odds for the lottery company not paying out are huge, they use a logical fallacy trick, they say you did something fraudulent and with that claim, they win the lawsuit and you lose.

nowadays there are many conventional lottery companies and even trusted crypto lottery companies, just leave the lottery companies that refuse to pay their winners, it is possible if you win they will do the same to you (not pay you).

[molsewid]

spend a lot of money to settle at the legal desk that's for sure. because the lottery party may be vehemently unwilling to pay the gambler's big winnings and be willing to spend money to bribe some police or court of law to win at the justice table.
it is possible for the lottery to spend 23k or 29k to pay the police or legal experts to help deny the gambler's winnings for any reason.
but i hope the gambler will win at the court table

Yes, I think the lottery outlet is just making an issue about this they just don't want to pay for the lucky winner, they are also looking for some things that will help them to save face. They also thought that saying that the lottery outlet is making an excuse it is all lie.

[jostorres]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I don't know if the stories of lottery or gambling platforms making excuses not to pay out huge winnings to people is becoming more or that they have always been happening and it is me who have not been up to date with them, because I've been reading a lot of stories recently about similar situations. This can be really bad for the image of the lottery company and the image of lottery companies in general if this sort of issues are ruled in favour of the online lottery platforms.

Pretty sure that this wasn't the first one and it will continue to happen now that gambling are now gaining a momentum. That's also because many lottery sites will open and not all of it are trustworthy. Scammers will think of different ways to scam and one of it is by creating a lottery site.

Gambling won't be completed without the players and we all know that not all players are fair but some are also scammers or hackers. Once they got caught, they will still make an alibi and will try to fight the complaint in the court. This doesn't affect the image of other lottery sites even if the lottery site is proven guilty as long as they are not related.

[Casdinyard]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

 

For one, the case is already served in the court awaiting judgement and the proprietary sanctions. But guessing the argument of the defendant which is the lottery company, I believe that the plaintiff has a good chance of getting his reparations. The fact that they are basically accusing the player of irregularities which practically means they are accusing the player of cheating, and then stating that the winner couldn't get his prize because there was a system wipeout is just too fishy for me. And even if they do win against him, they'd be dubbed as the lottery company who wouldn't pay their winners so it's gonna be detrimental to their reputation.

[Sandra_hakeem]

What's this shit I'm hearing??
So getting through a game twice, with a huge win means I'm not gonna get paid for it?? Is there a limit to a win that a user gets every 2,3, 4 years as the case might be? I don't understand.
Now they're backing up themselves in court to establish a fact that it should be the NORMS? Hmmm. They must have paid a huge cash to those juries if they get supported as that's not even one of their T/C's. Irregularities? What sort? If it's gonna go down the normal way, then that casino would pay the designated funds and also pay for damages and time wasted. I understand that they've had alot of losses that doesn't commensurate with their profits; one of which is Mega.

Sandra 💇

[Zlantann]

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

If the gambler have lost $1m on gambling, would they have negotiated with him and refunded some of his losses? Their claim that there are some irregularities in the gambling process is false because they are trying to negotiate the payment sum. They should have had limits to the amount one can bet if they don't have enough funds as capital. If they want an out of court settlement then they should pay the winner his money because they might have to pay for damages if the gambler wins the case (which likely).

That is why it is advisable to use gambling firms that are renowned, well managed and fully registered. The gambling firm is not well funded and managed, that is why it couldn't pay the client. And if it the firm was not registered, the client wouldn't have be able to seek redress in court, they would have closed the gambling firm because of this big win.  

[Yatsan]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I have read the article and the lottery has their side. It is simple, they resued to give the reward because they are doubting winner's betting behavior whether he cheated or not. The lottery only has to prove their claim against that man. However if they won't be able to provide strong evidence, then they have to pay the player. Doubting is normal given that they are just taking care of their business but atleast be fair. Let things go through the right process.

What's this shit I'm hearing??
So getting through a game twice, with a huge win means I'm not gonna get paid for it?? Is there a limit to a win that a user gets every 2,3, 4 years as the case might be? I don't understand.
Now they're backing up themselves in court to establish a fact that it should be the NORMS? Hmmm. They must have paid a huge cash to those juries if they get supported as that's not even one of their T/C's. Irregularities? What sort? If it's gonna go down the normal way, then that casino would pay the designated funds and also pay for damages and time wasted. I understand that they've had alot of losses that doesn't commensurate with their profits; one of which is Mega.

Sandra 💇

If ever they do so, that would be unfortunate. And on my end it is a weak claim they are throwing to the bettor because they are just suspiscious of that man. Provide evidence that the guy really cheated. Wiped out data is not a valid reason for sure there would be chance to recover if it is unintended but if it is, that would be the conflict of that man's end. I do hope that this case would be treated with equality on both ends. Gamblers are allowed to win as many times as they want as long as they are actually winning it. Might be luck or what, but they deserve to be paid if there are no proven cheating behaviors.

[Finestream]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I just finished reading the news and from their last statement, which is...



I dont think green lotto is ready to pay the said Nwachukwu his winning, green lotto just said they discovered irregularities in the game Nwachukwu played, they should go ahead and mention the irregularities to the court as well as the general public, both the court and the general public will know, see and judge the matter fairly, without doing this, I don't think they have any evidence to back their claim that Nwachukwu cheated, and without evidence, they are likely to loose the case..
This is just my assumption or better still, imagination, i will pay attention going forward to watch things unfold.

[seoincorporation]

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

That's true, it will lose it's reputation, but sadly if the company wins they will keep operating and they will avoid paying more wins like this one just because the court is cheaper than paying to the user.

If the company doesn't pay to the winner, then they will instantly become an scam, and that's a crime everywhere, so, they should be stopped by the gov before they avoid to pay again.

[serjent05]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

Corrupt managers don't care for the reputation of their company, all they care about is how much money they will get for every event and the drawing of winners.  I believe after this case is won by the complainant, the company will sue the manager involved in that fiasco.  That is if the owner is not involved or they are looking for a scapegoat.  Regardless of whether it is the manager's fault due to corruption, the company is bound to give the money to the winner.

Indeed it will be a huge loss for the company in both money, reputation, and players.